IRC log for #gllug on 20070503

00:49.18*** part/#gllug ceronman (n=ceronman@ACD1BEAB.ipt.aol.com)
03:43.53morsing'morning
04:40.49*** join/#gllug mumperer (n=don@rose963.demon.co.uk)
04:41.38mumpererHi :)
04:42.37morsingmumperer!
04:42.50morsingmumperer: How are you?
04:43.47mumpererMorsing! Fine - ish, having woken early ...
04:44.50mumperermorsing: working?
04:47.07morsingmumperer: Not this week. Un-employed
04:47.55mumperermorsing: Oh. Bad. - and badderer!
04:50.39mumperermorsing: thinking of today's working environment I can only feel sorry for those having to deal with it. Seems vicious to me ...
04:53.51mumperermorsing: a cheering thought: in my recent years of local newspaper publishing (1980-04) I came across many chief executives and businessmen and managers - distinctly unimpressive. I would never have given them a job!
04:56.29mumpererMy cat's zonked out after creeping in with the dawn ... wearing a slight smile ...
04:58.29mumperermorsing; I think I'll leave you to deal with this day - I'm off to try for more sleep. Cat's given me the idea! Later ...
05:57.51morsingDo you think it got lucky?
06:44.29sanelsonno
06:48.27morsing?
06:56.40sanelson3
08:08.54bilarhmorning folks
08:09.36bilarhmorsing: didn't you have a contract?
08:35.05morsingbilarh: I do. Starting next week
08:36.37bilarhoh right :-)
08:36.45morsingGardening
08:36.49morsingVoting!
08:36.58bilarhgardening? that's your contract?
08:40.33morsingbilarh: Only this week
08:43.20bilarhcool :)
08:43.29bilarhi just got my car back from the garage as well
08:43.46bilarhso the weekend after next, the change-everything-project starts :)
08:45.32clive-hGood morning
08:54.23antiphaseWod up dawgz
08:56.39morsingbilarh: Change everything?
08:58.06morsingbilarh: Took old brake caliper off yesterday to replace with new one but I can't get the threads on the brake line fittings to frip :(  I've done this before without problems...
08:58.47bilarhbrake calipers are always real fuckers for rust
08:59.12bilarhthey sit in the water and salt and grime down there and t hey just jam solid
08:59.27bilarhis it the pipe that goes into the caliper, or the one that comes off the brake line?
08:59.30morsingThere's no rust, I think the angle of the line prevent the thread from gripping. I just can't see it being off
08:59.37cpufreakwhats why most calipers are made out of alu
08:59.38morsingGoes into the caliper
09:00.05morsingCaliper is brand new, no rust
09:00.06bilarhcpufreak: i think you'll find most are still made of steel
09:00.16bilarhcast iron i mean
09:00.34bilarhnot on high performance cars like your own, possibly, but most normal cars :)
09:01.02bilarhmorsing: oh i see, you're trying to get stuff *into* the caliper :)
09:01.51morsingYes
09:04.08bilarhsorry, i thought you had problems getting stuff off
09:04.23bilarhi had some small problems with the scooby with that too
09:04.59bilarhthe problem for me was that the brake line pulled the bolt slightly to the side, so it wouldn't grip the thread
09:05.18bilarhi just kept at it and then it gripped eventually, but i can't see it being good for the thread
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09:14.21morsingfailure!
09:14.46morsingbilarh: That's exactly the problem I have :)
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09:29.44failuremorsing!
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09:45.52morsinggoibhniu!
09:47.21goibhniumorsing!
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09:51.03morsingSlayerXP!
09:52.31morsingSlayerXP?
09:52.33morsingping wethrin
09:58.39morsingibot wake SlayerXP
09:58.42ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on SlayerXP and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
09:59.09SlayerXPi'm busy
10:00.24morsingSlayerXP: Ha ha ;-)
10:04.40morsingfailure: HowÅ›'s your garden?
10:06.20sabinef72morning
10:10.09failuremy garden?
10:12.40morsingsabinef72!
10:12.42morsingfailure: Yes
10:13.16failuregreen and full of flowers...
10:13.39sabinef72hi morsing ! how are you ?
10:15.13wethrinmorsing: yes?
10:24.03morsingwethrin: What did you have for lunch?
10:24.22morsingsabinef72: I good thanks :)  Weather is not quite what it have been though...
10:24.58morsinghas?
10:26.03sabinef72morsing: here we have a big sun and it's around 26-28°C out
10:28.06morsing:)
10:32.45morsingwethrin: Do you want some SCSI cables?
10:38.11morsingibot wake wethrin
10:38.13ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on wethrin and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
10:46.03bilarhgoibhniu: i'm going to start training kung fu six hours per week :D
10:48.20goibhniubilarh: holy shit! that's pretty serious!
10:48.39goibhniubilarh: are you gonna be breaking blocks of concrete with your head soon?
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11:01.16Leedsevening all
11:02.16bilarhgoibhniu: hehe not quite yet... i want to master the finger tip technique first :P
11:02.35bilarhgoibhniu: my wife doesn't want to train any more, so i spoke to sifu yesterday and he said i could have her  hours too
11:02.59goibhniuahh .. that's cool
11:03.21goibhniuafternoon Leeds ... first day at work?
11:03.24bilarhand i passed my grading :-D
11:03.30bilarhso now i'm officially a grade 1 student :-)
11:03.39bilarhi.e. i've just made it onto the first beginner level :-D
11:03.46bilarhso watch out, everyone!! ;-)
11:04.13goibhniuoh weird ... I didn't think kung fu schools were into grading at all
11:04.29goibhniudo they have belts and stuff?
11:04.50wethrinmorsing: I had nothing for lunch!
11:04.55wethrinmorsing: What sort of SCSI cables?
11:05.11bilarhno,  no..
11:05.23bilarhit's just wing chun and tsun that have student grades
11:05.46bilarhit's only to do with what parts of the curriculum you've studied, apaprently
11:05.58bilarhand also the higher the grade, obviously the better you are supposed to be
11:05.58goibhniubilarh: ahh, cool ... congrats!
11:06.23bilarhe.g. there's 12 student grades, and then after that i think there's like three technician grades etc etc
11:06.39goibhniuthey had one test in the school I was in ... that was just to see if you were ready for learning weapons
11:06.49bilarhah right
11:08.05goibhniuor maybe they had grades ... I dunno, I didn't ever get any anyway :)
11:08.19bilarh:-)
11:10.04goibhniupity yr missus threw in the towel ... it's fun to have someone to practise with
11:10.34morsingwethrin: Assorted
11:10.47wethrinSure
11:11.24morsingranner!
11:12.14morsingLeeds! Any luck?
11:12.18morsingFirst day?
11:12.31morsingbilarh: How old are you?
11:12.35Leedsfirst day, went pretty well, going for some dinner now...
11:14.00morsingBeer
11:15.01bilarhmorsing: 27
11:45.41morsingh
11:49.26morsingLeeds: You back?
11:51.02morsingwethrin: What did you have for lunch?
11:51.39wethrinI haven't had lunch!
11:51.39wethrinSigh
11:51.42wethrinYou're so impatient...
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12:25.24morsingdick_turpin!
12:25.25morsingmikejw!
12:25.34morsingwethrin: Am I?
12:25.42morsingwethrin: You should have your lunch at 12
12:26.58dick_turpinmorsing: sorry phone
12:27.10morsingdick_turpin: I don't have your number...?
12:28.54dick_turpinmorsing: lol
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13:07.11mumpererHi - typed on my new Cherry keyboard! :)
13:07.52wethrinmorsing: Why should I?
13:07.55wethrin1pm is standard
13:10.58goibhniuhi mumperer!
13:11.06goibhniuhave you got the new memory?
13:11.51mumpererHi goibhniu! Hope you're OK - keyboard came - chip I assume will arrive tomorrow ...
13:12.19goibhniuahh ... is it one of the nice ones with the penguin key ... or with blank keys?
13:13.51mumperergoibhniu: together with the Debian 4.0 dvds and the Ubuntu 7.04. Well to answer: I think it's nice - it doesn't move around, nice and clicky, white, all the letters present ...
13:14.51mumperergoibhniu: I suppose I can (eventually) set keys to do things - we'll see!
13:15.26goibhniumorsing: enhanced his keyboard for ubuntu recently ... morsing have you got some photos?
13:16.57mumperergoibhniu: morsing's kippin'
13:17.53goibhniuhe's tending his dandelions I think
13:18.14mumpererOooer - pea-the-beds!
13:18.42boudiccaspise-en-lit
13:18.59mumpererlol
13:20.15goibhniumumperer: if you feel like enabling that nvidia card on your machine ... just say the word
13:21.54mumperergoibhniu: Oh! sounds good. Would that make it easier for Debian to get graphic when i get to install that?
13:22.36goibhniuit will only work on the system that you configure it for, but it's probably the exact same procedure
13:23.09goibhniuhmm ... maybe feisty does some magic for you .. I haven't tried it yet
13:23.54goibhniuthere was some controversy about it, but I think there's a box you can tick somewhere instead of editing a file
13:24.37mumperergoibhniu: still and all, worth having a go? I can always re-install if I foul up! :-P
13:24.53goibhniuoh fun!
13:25.04goibhniuhave you got everything backed up?
13:27.25mumperergoibhniu: now if you'd asked that yesterday (!) but never mind for now - let's see the wonders of life with an extra gig on board first, - sometime after tomorrow a.m. - eh?
13:28.45mumpererI've sorted a voluminous picture resource from my news days, I need to get that onto CD first, you see ...
13:30.52mumperergoibhniu: and SWMBO says don't do anything complicated until I've had a morning to think it through. She seems to know me well ...
13:31.44mumperergoibhniu: anyway, is morsing still cohabiting with dandelions?
13:32.03goibhniuhehe .. fair enough that sounds sensible
13:32.57goibhniuthe only thing that can go wrong is that Xorg won't start and you get thrown out to a prompt ... if you have another computer and can get on irc, that can be fixed easily
13:33.29boudiccasdick_turpin; most deliveries are done lying down in the UK. you ask your local midwife and she will agree with me
13:33.35boudiccas:)
13:34.21dick_turpinboudiccas: Gimme your purse or else
13:34.32goibhniumumperer: if you're comfortable with editing text files from the command line with nano, vim or emacs this will not be any hassle ... otherwise it could be a bit of a nightmare
13:36.36goibhniudick_turpin: I haven't heard from your lawyers ... you obviously haven't seen the video yet :(
13:36.47mumperergoibhniu: no, one bit of kit. Do you have any idea what degree of preparation this elderly person will need tomorrow? Chip an' all? Text file editing? I've looked: emacs seems like turgid soup but I've played with the system-resident text editor, so far without any heavy load ...
13:36.58Leedsevening again, folks
13:37.04dick_turpingimme the url again
13:37.13mumpererleeds!
13:38.08dick_turpingoibhniu: URL?
13:38.31goibhniumumperer: the task before you is ... open /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change one word from (probably) "vesa" to "nvidia" ... from a terminal
13:38.48goibhniumumperer: if you can do that with any editor you've nothing to fear
13:39.08goibhniubut not with an editor that opens up in its own window ... like gedit or kate or something
13:39.58goibhniudick_turpin: http://media.libsyn.com/media/directorsnotes/DN033__Lee_Meets_the_Psychics_-_Lee_Kern.mov
13:41.33dick_turpingoibhniu: Cor blimey why ya gotta download the thing :-(
13:41.58mumperergoibhniu: ooooh. Orrite ... stand back for an eon or nine ...
13:42.43goibhniumumperer: nano is a pretty easy one to use
13:43.28bilarhif you don't like emacs, vi is the only way forward
13:43.36bilarhgoibhniu: stop confusing the kid!
13:44.05dick_turpingoibhniu: Its rubbish just keeps pretending to download
13:45.44goibhniumumperer: I use vim myself ... but I would only recommend it to someone who spends most of their day editing code
13:47.36dick_turpingoibhniu: It refuses to download your having a laugh aren't you?
13:47.43mumperergoibhniu: I've just found nano - I'm looking ...
13:48.19goibhniudick_turpin: open it on your arch box ... I don't support vista
13:49.47dick_turpingoibhniu: Ha the Arch is at home but, FC7 is on another machine here at work (surely it should download?)
13:51.18goibhniudick_turpin: I have watched it three times already ... can't you use wget or something?
13:51.49dick_turpingoibhniu: I'll wget you  in a minute
13:58.10morsingwethrin: No itÅt's not
13:58.21morsinggoibhniu: Not yet :)
13:58.43morsingmumperer: No, shopping actually :)  TescoÅ›'s got a mushroom and butter offer on :)
13:58.52morsingMmm... Dandelions :)
13:59.09morsingboudiccas!
13:59.28morsinggoibhniu?
14:01.14morsingDoes the Gnome file browser not understand sftp/scp?
14:02.55morsingHello?
14:03.41dick_turpingoibhniu: I give up
14:04.10goibhniudick_turpin: you suck
14:04.22boudiccasmorsing; !
14:04.51goibhniudick_turpin: people are smearing your name all over the internet and you can't even blog about it!
14:06.49goibhniumorsing?
14:07.28mumperergoibhniu: I couldn't persuade Nano to find that xorg.conf file and tried Vi, or Vim - totally uncommunicative - perhaps at best a lousy screensaver. My head hurts ... I think I'll go avacuppa and let SWMBO utter kind words like there, there. Mail you later ...
14:07.58goibhniuahh sorry ... I should have talked you through it
14:08.05goibhniucatch you later
14:08.08dick_turpingoibhniu: Its that rubbish URL all those ___ - _ _ ____ _  
14:08.33mumperergoibhniu: Hey, not you fault - laters ...
14:08.55goibhniudick_turpin: http://directorsnotes.com/ 3rd thing down
14:09.16gregjlads
14:09.44gregjwhat's the best way to transfer money from scotland bank to hsbc, without paying 25 quid for the transfer ?
14:09.50gregjand the guy doesn't have paypal
14:10.05gregjs/lads/guys/
14:10.08bilarh25 quid?
14:10.11gregjyeah
14:10.18bilarhcant you just do a normal bank transfer?
14:10.26bilarhor you could walk into a branch and put money into his account
14:10.27gregjthat's what they said about sending 100 quid from scotlandish shit to hsbsish shit
14:10.29bilarhcash is instant
14:10.45bilarhwhat instant transfer (i.e. 3-4 hours) or three days?
14:10.51bilarhthe three day transfer is free for me
14:10.54bilarhand i'm with hsbc
14:10.58gregjhsbsish shit in edienburgh is closed atm,
14:11.12bilarhhrm
14:11.16dick_turpingoibhniu: Thats better, if this is bad you'd better run "You can run but you cant hide"
14:11.23bilarhwell, you can't even do a chaps any more, because it's too late :)
14:11.34LeedsI'm not with hsbc, unlike about 50% of people in H
14:11.37bilarhthe only way is to find an hsbc office and put hard cold cash in the account directly :)
14:12.13bilarhgregj: we're talking transfers within gb, yes?
14:12.27gregjyup
14:12.36LeedsI can do transfers like that online
14:12.43gregjlike I said one guy has 100 quid and account in scotish bank, another one hsbc
14:12.52gregjand the bank said - 25 quid for it
14:13.10bilarhthat must have been for an instant transfer
14:13.14clive-hThat's a bit insane
14:13.18gregjfor 25 quid I can take a bus to edinburgh, and back to cambridge
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14:16.54bilarhis it some bolleaux about it being scottish?
14:17.16boudiccasmwop
14:18.04bilarhboudiccas: no, *you* mwop!
14:19.19boudiccasdonkey mwop
14:19.51boudiccas[its the noise made by donkey in shrek 2 when they're going to the kingdom of far, far away]
14:22.14gregjhehe
14:22.24tripitakaanyone know a tool for decoding HTTP from tcpdump files?
14:22.36gregjI called the guy, and he confirmed, onlyu one branch of hsbc in edmb and it is fscking closed atm
14:22.39bilarhethereal
14:22.42bilarh:P
14:22.47gregjinsane country
14:22.55bilarhnot helping you much if you've already got a tcpdump file i suppose
14:22.59gregjit is cheaper to send money overseas, than insode gb
14:23.08gregjinside
14:23.09bilarhalthough i believe ethereal can import some types of dump files
14:24.43tripitakabilarh: ethereal / wireshark can read tcpdump, snoop etc. I have a tcpdump with reams of HTTP in it, I'm looking for something which reads it and prints pretty 'sites viewed, data passed' etc
14:25.07tripitakastaring at tcpdumps makes my eyes water after a while
14:25.25Leedsgregj: lots and lots and lots of branches here
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14:27.05gregjit's a worlds's bank, but not scottish bank
14:29.29halihm, strange not even goldman sachs charge me that much when i transfer between countries
14:32.51gregjwell, I'll ask him to write a cheque and post it to me
14:32.57gregjfor fsck sake..
14:33.35morsingtripitaka!
14:33.48tripitakahello morsing
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14:45.03goibhniumorsing: of your keyboard
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15:06.56morsinggoibhniu: I know
15:07.14morsinggoibhniu: Should I go for a run?
15:07.21Leedsyes
15:07.30morsingLeeds?
15:12.58Leedsgo for a run
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15:13.47boudiccasdrink half a bottle of syrup of figs! that'll make you run!
15:16.05Leedsibot rimshot
15:16.07ibotba-dum CHH
15:17.28morsingibot you suck
15:17.30ibotand very well I might add
15:25.56Leedsibot :-)
15:25.58ibot*^_^*
15:29.26morsingibot :-(
15:30.26morsingibot :-(
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15:48.22morsingceronman!
15:58.06sanelsonibot seen murb
15:58.25ibotmurb <n=murbix@blue.danu.be> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 46d 2h 58m 16s ago, saying: 'or 1 years worth of experience * 8'.
16:18.21morsingsanelson: Where did Paul go?
16:20.52sanelsonpaul? at dlr? I don't know
16:20.58sanelsonhas he gone somewhere?
16:21.54morsingsanelson: Sorry, no, Paul Rundle at Home Retail Group
16:22.12morsingHe hasn't responded to emails for hours
16:23.05morsingsanelson: You do know I'm not at Attenda anymore, right?
16:23.05sanelsonright... was that a random question, then? As I have no idea about Paul Rundle.
16:23.05morsingsanelson: It was one of my usual random questions, yes :)
16:24.56morsingThanks :)
16:25.07morsingsanelson: I miss Carla though :(
16:25.15sanelsonerm :(
16:25.19sanelsonno , intended
16:25.20morsingsanelson: Did you meet her?
16:25.59morsingRight, time to cook dinner
16:26.58popeymorsing: heard any more from Simon?
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16:43.39morsingJasperw!
16:43.45morsingpopey: Simon?
16:43.54morsingpopey: Nope, his quiet
16:43.56popeybeerandspeech
16:43.58morsinghe's
16:43.59popey:(
16:44.01popeymiss him
16:44.06morsingMe too :(
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17:10.24morsingceronman!
17:10.26morsingclive-h!
17:14.04clive-hhi all
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17:30.13morsingclive-h: How are you?
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17:38.59goibhniumorsing: where will you go?
17:42.18clive-hI'm so so, you?
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18:07.48morsingJasperw!
18:07.51morsingclive-h!
18:08.05morsinggoibhniu: Back to the real world
18:08.11[Clive]Hi morsing
18:08.14morsingclive-h: I'm ok thanks
18:08.21morsing[Clive]: Why only so so
18:08.36[Clive]A bit of a cold
18:08.41morsing'k
18:08.48morsingBut not depressed?
18:33.28clive-hWell I have some interviews next week
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20:04.29morsingjon_n!
20:04.31morsingsanelson_!
20:04.33morsingeye69!
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21:34.20sanelson_golly
22:33.31rannersanelson_: golly what?
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23:56.11Leedsgosh, one would assume

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