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| 06:06.52 | mumperer | Morining :) |
| 06:11.12 | JosefAssad | morning |
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| 07:42.31 | niv_one_three | assad! |
| 07:44.24 | clive-h | Oh dear me |
| 07:44.33 | niv_one_three | ? |
| 07:44.49 | clive-h | F7 64 bit has no include files |
| 07:45.10 | clive-h | So building vmware is a tad impossible |
| 08:01.18 | morsing | Beer |
| 08:01.25 | morsing | ~seen goibhniu |
| 08:02.04 | ibot | goibhniu <n=cillian@87-194-36-120.bethere.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 14d 14h 50m 19s ago, saying: 'I can't seem to browse through the downloads on zaurususersgroup.org and I'm looking for a pdf with a template for cutting out a screen protector for the 6000. Does anyone happen to have it here?'. |
| 08:11.06 | morsing | :( |
| 08:11.14 | morsing | cries |
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| 10:49.38 | Leeds | halloo |
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| 11:00.46 | andrew__4 | hi there |
| 11:05.08 | Leeds | evening andrew__4 |
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| 11:24.19 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
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| 11:42.06 | JosefAssad | 'lo |
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| 12:17.11 | morsing | geospart! |
| 12:17.26 | geospart | thats me |
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| 12:42.51 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
| 12:45.14 | niv_one_three | :-) |
| 12:45.27 | niv_one_three | air blowed my desktop |
| 12:45.38 | niv_one_three | big cloud in my face |
| 12:46.42 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 12:46.55 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 12:47.14 | wethrin | yes? |
| 12:47.24 | niv_one_three | what is the right way to do this: find /source/outside/ -ctime 0 | xargs mv /target |
| 12:47.27 | niv_one_three | ? |
| 12:48.10 | wethrin | for i in `find /source/outside/ -ctime 0` ; do mv $i /target ; done |
| 12:48.21 | niv_one_three | thnaks mate |
| 12:48.40 | wethrin | np |
| 12:48.48 | wethrin | At least, that's how I'd do it :) |
| 12:51.02 | niv_one_three | need to flex that for muscle |
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| 13:01.50 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 13:01.55 | huw-l | hey |
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| 13:33.47 | morsing | zx80user! |
| 13:33.50 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 13:33.51 | niv_one_three | did anyone publish a guide for converting your GF to using GNU based OS? |
| 13:34.03 | niv_one_three | like a ten step program |
| 13:34.21 | clive-h | Hi morsing |
| 13:34.23 | zx80user | step one: dump her |
| 13:34.29 | zx80user | step two: errrrr |
| 13:34.37 | niv_one_three | oh ya, since my folks did the deed of installing M$ office, they where fully converted to linux |
| 13:34.43 | zx80user | (morsing!) |
| 13:34.52 | morsing | Beer |
| 13:34.53 | niv_one_three | gentoo linux |
| 13:34.53 | clive-h | Just make the pc linux only |
| 13:35.06 | niv_one_three | morsing: I feel your pain... |
| 13:35.09 | clive-h | add appropriate icons to her desktop |
| 13:35.35 | zx80user | niv_one_three I just told SO that was the way it was gonna be. |
| 13:35.39 | niv_one_three | we r dating for 15 days now |
| 13:35.46 | zx80user | Five years later she doesn't moan too much |
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| 13:36.20 | zx80user | 15 days and you want her to go all the way? Heavy stuff |
| 13:36.35 | niv_one_three | I mentioned she may use ICQ to sms for free, on day 2, now she has ICQ |
| 13:37.05 | niv_one_three | I am now considering how to push GNU in to her computing life |
| 13:37.29 | niv_one_three | basically show her firefox and thunderbird |
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| 13:41.34 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 13:41.47 | catalyst | morsing! |
| 13:41.51 | catalyst | ello |
| 13:43.59 | boudiccas | show her you never need to defrag and that you're virus and trojan free |
| 13:44.33 | boudiccas | thats hwta won me over |
| 13:44.36 | boudiccas | *what |
| 13:45.23 | catalyst | intriguing |
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| 13:46.09 | hali | afterstep is what won me over :) |
| 13:47.31 | [Clive] | I like gnome or xfce4 |
| 13:47.43 | boudiccas | nah kde :) |
| 13:48.01 | boudiccas | it just works |
| 13:48.15 | [Clive] | So do gnome or xfc4 |
| 13:48.41 | hali | pff |
| 13:48.48 | hali | this was before kde or gnome even existed |
| 13:48.59 | hali | when redhat came with fvwm95 as the default wm :) |
| 13:49.10 | [Clive] | I know |
| 13:49.26 | [Clive] | I've used redhat since v1.0 |
| 13:49.58 | [Clive] | in ye olde days nmagic binaries i used Linux CDE |
| 13:51.20 | boudiccas | i bought RH9 just two weeks before it went public and free ... I was pissed at it! |
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| 13:51.49 | hali | bummer |
| 13:51.55 | [Clive] | Lol I still have boxed copies of Redhat 5-8 |
| 13:52.09 | boudiccas | i thought considerably stronger than that hali :) |
| 13:52.34 | hali | 4.2 was quite exciting... came with the super 'fast' X server MetroX instead of XFree86 |
| 13:52.54 | [Clive] | ahh yes metrox |
| 13:53.09 | [Clive] | strange how things change |
| 13:53.28 | hali | first X server that worked without issues with my old ATI m64 graphics card |
| 13:54.26 | boudiccas | who is this 'Nick' from services who keeps colliding with people? |
| 13:54.37 | clive-h | heh |
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| 14:03.07 | boudiccas | we, the public, demand to know! |
| 14:03.46 | clive-h | heh |
| 14:29.47 | niv_one_three | should I show her how her pc maybe hacked to illustrate this? |
| 14:30.24 | clive-h | why not? |
| 14:30.45 | niv_one_three | I think its is not that a good idea |
| 14:31.31 | clive-h | most people use their pcs to surf the web, irc, play music,use office |
| 14:31.43 | clive-h | linux does all of those |
| 14:32.54 | niv_one_three | I would rather illustrate advantages.. |
| 14:33.02 | niv_one_three | amarok is a good example |
| 14:33.34 | clive-h | i use xmms don't like amarok |
| 14:34.11 | niv_one_three | and I like thunderbird, firefox and kopete |
| 14:34.30 | clive-h | i should explain i've used linux as my desktop for many years |
| 14:44.45 | JosefAssad | I poop on amarok, and I will continue to until it does ipod podcasts properly, and video also |
| 14:46.16 | JosefAssad | though I think it'ß more a problem with the underlying lib, as gtkpod also fails miserably |
| 14:47.15 | clive-h | i'd never buy an ipod |
| 14:47.45 | JosefAssad | What _would_ you buy? |
| 14:48.32 | clive-h | umm something by creative labs probably |
| 14:48.56 | clive-h | or a treo |
| 14:50.20 | Leeds | treo++ |
| 14:50.53 | niv_one_three | I like my rio karma A LOT |
| 14:51.04 | clive-h | or maybe a n800 and a bluetooth phone |
| 14:51.08 | niv_one_three | so old, yet 20Gb suits me fine |
| 14:51.47 | niv_one_three | by the way I used my dads palm this weekend with a pair of bluetooth headset |
| 14:51.49 | niv_one_three | nice |
| 14:51.58 | niv_one_three | but no FLAC :-( |
| 14:53.17 | Leeds | there is at least one PalmOS audio player which claims FLAC support |
| 14:54.05 | niv_one_three | found a a2dp program for my nokia cell :-) by MSI |
| 14:54.26 | niv_one_three | Leeds: what does SO mean? is it when I can't address her as GF? |
| 14:54.43 | Leeds | SO is Significant Other |
| 14:55.23 | Leeds | it's a more generic term than bf/gf, but it's also more meaningful than something like 'partner' |
| 14:56.03 | niv_one_three | so it doesnt apply to define the time the couple are together - right |
| 14:56.38 | niv_one_three | oh ya, it also allows the person here to stay cloaked, and not revele his sex |
| 14:56.40 | niv_one_three | nice |
| 14:57.11 | Leeds | that too |
| 14:57.59 | niv_one_three | one may even get educated here ... |
| 14:58.16 | clive-h | SO is a term that doesn't offend people of differing sexualities |
| 14:58.38 | Leeds | also true |
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| 15:12.14 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
| 15:12.52 | JosefAssad | monsieur morsing! |
| 15:13.31 | morsing | :( |
| 15:16.21 | JosefAssad | morsing: shouldn't you be weekending now, instead of sitting in here earning your paycheck greeting people? Hmm? |
| 15:16.27 | morsing | :( |
| 15:26.52 | JosefAssad | clive-h: I would pick up a nice creative too if there was a service center nearby. Unfortunately, only Apple have that |
| 15:44.14 | niv_one_three | bye folks |
| 16:01.08 | morsing | :( |
| 16:21.22 | morsing | :) |
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| 17:13.02 | morsing | londo! |
| 17:13.05 | morsing | ping wethrin |
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| 17:19.03 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 17:19.37 | clive-h | hi morsing |
| 17:23.29 | morsing | How are you? |
| 17:24.15 | clive-h | i've spent all the weekend installing Fedora 7 |
| 17:24.26 | clive-h | so quite tired |
| 17:24.46 | morsing | I've spent 30 minutes installing Debian. Refreshing |
| 17:25.45 | clive-h | the actual installs are quick enough |
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| 17:26.08 | morsing | ranner! |
| 17:26.10 | clive-h | it's the setting up other stuff that takes the time |
| 17:26.18 | morsing | I just click on it |
| 17:26.37 | clive-h | i need things like vmware |
| 17:27.17 | clive-h | in fact loads of stuff since it's my desktop |
| 17:28.54 | ranner | morsing! |
| 17:32.16 | morsing | Ok, if anyone here likes olders women, register on makefriendsonline and they'll all come to you |
| 17:35.38 | hali | or drop by my office and i'll introduce you to our finance dept ;) |
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| 17:43.31 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 17:43.39 | dick_turpin | Morsing |
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| 17:59.00 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
| 18:00.16 | boudiccas | henrik! |
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| 18:30.37 | JosefAssad | morsing¡ |
| 18:39.57 | wethrin | hi |
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| 19:15.17 | morsing | bilarh_! |
| 19:15.47 | boudiccas | morsing! |
| 19:17.57 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 19:23.23 | morsing | Does FreeBSD support VLANs on Intel 1000pro? |
| 19:23.30 | morsing | pro1000 |
| 19:31.03 | morsing | JosefAssad: Is nsswitch.conf used by ldap? |
| 19:41.14 | morsing | JosefAssad? |
| 20:16.23 | JosefAssad | morsing: no clue... |
| 20:16.58 | rhowe | morsing: It's used for determining how to enumerate things |
| 20:17.04 | morsing | YES! :) |
| 20:17.32 | rhowe | morsing: So if you want to be able to look up users in ldap (for getend, or ls to display ownerships, etc), you'll need an nss ldap provider listed |
| 20:18.13 | JosefAssad | morsing: looks like it, yes. passwd: files ldap \n group files ldap |
| 20:18.29 | JosefAssad | (many knowledge areas I am missing, many) |
| 20:18.31 | JosefAssad | *sigh* |
| 20:18.52 | morsing | Thanks to both of you, my dad asked me. I'm been distracted by something else for a sec... :) |
| 20:19.27 | JosefAssad | thank rhowe not me. He looks like he actually knows what he is saying, as opposed to me playing google frontend |
| 20:20.54 | rhowe | heya Henrik |
| 20:20.54 | morsing | rhowe: How's life? |
| 20:20.54 | rhowe | morsing: *shrug* it goes |
| 20:20.54 | morsing | :( |
| 20:20.55 | rhowe | morsing: Flat's slightly tidier than it was, just trying to avoid spending any money for the next couple of months :P |
| 20:20.56 | morsing | Mmm... Caroline |
| 20:20.59 | rhowe | Anyone want a Cisco 801? :) |
| 20:21.03 | morsing | Can I visit? |
| 20:21.06 | rhowe | Sure |
| 20:21.18 | morsing | I've got an 805 I want to get rid of |
| 20:21.21 | morsing | rhowe: Really? |
| 20:21.25 | morsing | I'd love to |
| 20:21.34 | rhowe | morsing: Yeah - there's nobody else here though |
| 20:21.45 | rhowe | Well, apart from mimi |
| 20:22.24 | morsing | mimi the cat? |
| 20:22.32 | rhowe | mimi the parrakeet |
| 20:22.40 | morsing | Is that a cat? |
| 20:23.01 | clive-h | its a bird |
| 20:23.09 | morsing | clive-h: So his wife? |
| 20:23.12 | JosefAssad | oh great. Couldn't reschedule the oxford interview for the days I'll be in the UK :/ |
| 20:23.16 | JosefAssad | ERFFF. |
| 20:23.17 | morsing | Or a different kind of bird? |
| 20:23.27 | clive-h | no a bird |
| 20:23.37 | clive-h | with wings et |
| 20:23.39 | clive-h | c |
| 20:23.53 | morsing | Ahh... |
| 20:24.03 | morsing | I'm not interested in those |
| 20:24.50 | rhowe | Search for "Mimi Howe" on facebook |
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| 20:26.18 | morsing | adminjs! |
| 20:26.27 | morsing | facebook? |
| 20:26.36 | morsing | Not Mimi Jacobsen? |
| 20:27.20 | rhowe | morsing: Not Mimi Jacobsen, no |
| 20:27.23 | rhowe | morsing: facebook.com |
| 20:29.01 | morsing | http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimi_Jacobsen |
| 20:29.07 | morsing | Old photo! |
| 20:29.17 | morsing | rhowe: Identify! |
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| 20:31.48 | z00dax | hello |
| 20:32.04 | z00dax | how is everyone doing ? |
| 20:32.20 | rhowe | hm? |
| 20:32.35 | rhowe | z00dax: Not terribly |
| 20:32.46 | z00dax | always good that |
| 20:33.04 | rhowe | morsing: Ah, not that Mimi, no |
| 20:33.46 | JosefAssad | hi z00dax |
| 20:33.52 | z00dax | hey JosefAssad, howse it going |
| 20:33.57 | adminjs | hello |
| 20:33.58 | z00dax | what dates are you in London ? |
| 20:34.04 | z00dax | adminjs: ! |
| 20:34.14 | JosefAssad | z00dax: pretty damn good! Preparing for interview. How goes it with you? |
| 20:34.33 | JosefAssad | z00dax: tuesday through Friday. I know, I'm a lazy bastard not having posted on the list yet |
| 20:34.43 | z00dax | JosefAssad: quite interesting. I've been running Gnome with locate set to German, all day today - and its been fantastic! |
| 20:35.16 | JosefAssad | z00dax: If you like German, you'll LOVE Danish :p |
| 20:35.34 | JosefAssad | (if human languages were like computer languages...) :) |
| 20:35.53 | z00dax | German, to me, is much like Danish and even Latin. |
| 20:35.56 | adminjs | if you like german you don't like danish |
| 20:36.01 | rhowe | hmm |
| 20:36.03 | z00dax | none of them mean anything to me |
| 20:36.07 | rhowe | now do I get a proper dinner, or have popcorn? |
| 20:36.19 | z00dax | rhowe: easy call, popcorn all the way |
| 20:36.26 | JosefAssad | adminjs: wouldn'þ know, my German's non-existent |
| 20:36.38 | z00dax | with p0rn, beer and kernel hacking! |
| 20:36.43 | JosefAssad | heh |
| 20:37.03 | rhowe | z00dax: Well 1/4 isn't so bad |
| 20:38.22 | z00dax | its the future of reality TV - 2 geeks, 24 non-geeks, each geek gets a dozen non-geeks, lock up each team in a wired-to-its-teeth house |
| 20:38.49 | z00dax | give them 2 weeks, then have daily hacking-sprints, who writes a driver first, who finds 100 bugs in <foo code> |
| 20:39.24 | adminjs | my system run all de_DE uft-8 |
| 20:39.30 | z00dax | the winning team gets beer, women and faster internet access. |
| 20:39.39 | JosefAssad | reverse those numbers for a bit of fun. Two geek teams of twelve, each with a non-geek to educate. 1 week, the first team to bring home either the concept of modal editing or C pointers wins. Consolation prizes for horrible suicides. |
| 20:40.55 | z00dax | JosefAssad: the problem with that is, the geeks will get on with it - while the non-geek plays tetris. |
| 20:40.56 | JosefAssad | or, 24 geeks and once single-user computer with a 14.4 modem. For a month. In a house full of heavy blunt objects. Winnder gets gif pr0n. |
| 20:41.13 | JosefAssad | s/Winnder/Winner/ |
| 20:41.48 | z00dax | converted to ascii art, parsed via a rot13 stream, printed on punch cards |
| 20:42.38 | JosefAssad | made out of short shelf life pasta |
| 20:43.27 | z00dax | :) |
| 20:44.38 | z00dax | does anyone know of a decent GUI based dns zone file editor ? |
| 20:44.55 | z00dax | apart from system-config-bind, its a major pain getting s-c-bind looking at remote zones |
| 20:45.34 | hali | the webmin dns interface is ok |
| 20:45.47 | *** join/#gllug kjalil (n=kjalil@host86-139-182-23.range86-139.btcentralplus.com) |
| 20:46.08 | kjalil | hello everyone! |
| 20:46.30 | z00dax | hali: webmin eats up a lot of cpucycles sitting around doing nothing, most of the time . |
| 20:46.54 | kjalil | z00dax: hello |
| 20:47.15 | clive-h | webmin is a security breach waiting to happen |
| 20:47.18 | z00dax | hey kjalil |
| 20:47.38 | kjalil | clive-h! |
| 20:47.39 | z00dax | clive-h: i can lock down via IP - the guy who is going to use it - is going to come via 1 IP |
| 20:48.20 | clive-h | I loathe webmin |
| 20:48.25 | z00dax | me too |
| 20:48.37 | kjalil | z00dax: you planning on using webmin? i've hardly used it, thinking the same as clive-h, that it may not be safe |
| 20:48.46 | z00dax | but , in some cases - its the best solution. Compared to cPanel, Plesk, DomainAdmin etc |
| 20:49.04 | kjalil | all alone, on port :10000 waiting to be broken in |
| 20:49.10 | z00dax | although, its been a while since i last looked at webmin, might be worth a second look now |
| 20:49.40 | kjalil | z00dax: really, i've never tried cPanel for example. is webmin really better than that and plesk? |
| 20:49.56 | z00dax | yes |
| 20:50.04 | rhowe | mm, popcorn |
| 20:50.07 | rhowe | almost screwed it up |
| 20:50.09 | rhowe | forgot the butter |
| 20:50.13 | z00dax | atleast its not going to ask for its own unpatched, extremely broken apache and php etc . |
| 20:50.41 | clive-h | lol |
| 20:50.46 | kjalil | z00dax: ah so cPanel and others depend on some older apache and stuff then |
| 20:52.19 | z00dax | kjalil: yes |
| 20:57.18 | kjalil | z00dax: i saw you at one of the gllug meetings, sorry it was quite busy and i couldn't say hi |
| 20:57.33 | JosefAssad | kjalil: hi there |
| 20:57.33 | kjalil | z00dax: this was the october meeting, that room was quite packed :) |
| 20:57.45 | kjalil | JosefAssad: hi! |
| 20:58.34 | z00dax | kjalil: oh! we should meet at the next one then |
| 20:58.35 | clive-h | I'll get to the next one |
| 20:58.35 | z00dax | not sure when and how that is going to happen though, we should really be planning something |
| 20:58.37 | clive-h | wetherin muttered about August |
| 20:58.37 | kjalil | z00dax: cool. yeah i remember you were surrounded on both sides by people asking for help :) |
| 20:58.52 | kjalil | clive-h: that's a long way away |
| 20:58.57 | clive-h | It is |
| 20:59.09 | kjalil | hmm, 'way away'. is that right? |
| 20:59.21 | hali | can't we just do a social somewhere and have some driiinks |
| 20:59.26 | JosefAssad | 'way off' might look gentler |
| 20:59.38 | hali | soho is nice :P |
| 20:59.41 | kjalil | JosefAssad: spot on |
| 20:59.53 | z00dax | hali: absolutely. lets pick a date and organise something . |
| 21:00.05 | JosefAssad | If I might suggest it; as I'm in town end of this week, social and drinks sounds spiffy |
| 21:00.14 | hali | 20th? |
| 21:00.41 | hali | the endurance in soho? hoho |
| 21:00.43 | z00dax | Works for me, but it will need to be an early night - I need to get online for an irc meeting by 10pm :) |
| 21:01.06 | z00dax | dont know where / what that is - but if you post to the gllug-social list, post some directions to the $venue :) |
| 21:01.39 | hali | we could do the hems |
| 21:01.52 | hali | dutch beer and close to china town for grub |
| 21:01.52 | z00dax | that works for me too :) |
| 21:02.02 | hali | and it's got a big upstairs we could book |
| 21:02.19 | z00dax | busaba is around the corner too..... |
| 21:02.36 | z00dax | been a while since I was there last, although not sure if thats typical geek joint |
| 21:02.41 | hali | it's to hyped though |
| 21:02.54 | hali | long queues in the evenings and the table arangement is not geek friendly .) |
| 21:03.02 | z00dax | yeah |
| 21:03.07 | kjalil | z00dax: busaba |
| 21:03.07 | hali | satsuma could work |
| 21:03.11 | kjalil | z00dax: ? |
| 21:03.22 | hali | kjalil: thai food resturant in soho, great rottis |
| 21:03.31 | hali | on wardour street |
| 21:03.37 | clive-h | I'd suggest new world in chinatown |
| 21:04.02 | clive-h | or melati just off soho |
| 21:04.12 | z00dax | ok, so lets make the 20th semi-official. hali you get to make the noise on gllug-social :) |
| 21:04.47 | hali | hm, there is a social booked for the 7th actually |
| 21:05.14 | z00dax | oh ? |
| 21:05.37 | hali | with the pm's |
| 21:05.37 | clive-h | 7th June? |
| 21:05.58 | z00dax | yeah, thats the pm's - be a good excuse to drink though :) |
| 21:05.59 | hali | yes, at the antelope in knightsbridge |
| 21:06.03 | z00dax | JosefAssad: will you be around ? |
| 21:06.28 | JosefAssad | z00dax: 7th? Yes. Day before I fly out to bloody Yemen |
| 21:06.41 | morsing | rhowe: Do you get my messages? |
| 21:07.10 | rhowe | morsing: messages? |
| 21:07.20 | z00dax | I've heard some fantastic things about Yemen.... supposed to be a kickass place to get out and into the outdoors |
| 21:07.24 | rhowe | morsing: Oh hang on.. need to identify |
| 21:08.09 | JosefAssad | z00dax: it'ß too insane for the likes of me, frankly. |
| 21:08.36 | JosefAssad | everyone's bloody stoned there. All the bloody time. Our police escort asked us for money to buy drugs last time |
| 21:08.57 | z00dax | join the party! |
| 21:09.20 | z00dax | as long as the people in the shootout know what and who they are having a go at, you're safe |
| 21:09.37 | hali | i thought yemen was like goats and beards and stuff |
| 21:10.16 | JosefAssad | hali: it is, mainly. and guns and kids whose growth was stunted by drugs. People there are just weird. |
| 21:11.54 | JosefAssad | vim viewports are a blessing |
| 21:12.54 | JosefAssad | z00dax: I might. That is the evening following my interview, so I might need a few lagers :) |
| 21:13.08 | z00dax | who are you interviewing with ? |
| 21:13.15 | JosefAssad | BBC Tech. |
| 21:13.25 | wethrin | Lagers!? |
| 21:13.32 | wethrin | Drink proper beer, dear boy! |
| 21:13.38 | z00dax | but then I've only ever done maybe 3 interviews in my life |
| 21:13.44 | JosefAssad | wethrin: Happy to listen to ideas. |
| 21:13.52 | hali | London pride! |
| 21:14.02 | hali | served cold, thats my drink atm |
| 21:14.06 | z00dax | wethrin: i think that might not be legal |
| 21:14.13 | wethrin | No. Should never be served cold!! |
| 21:14.18 | hali | it should! |
| 21:14.22 | wethrin | z00dax: As long as he has food with it |
| 21:14.26 | wethrin | No, it shouldn't. |
| 21:14.29 | JosefAssad | Now, no sweet or light beers. And (I know I'm not going to be liked for this) no dark beers or beers you serve warm. |
| 21:14.31 | z00dax | s/driving/drinking/ |
| 21:14.32 | wethrin | Cellar temperature, yes. But not cold |
| 21:14.46 | wethrin | One should *never* serve a beer warm |
| 21:14.47 | hali | not cold and sin guiness extra cold, but colder than most pubs serv it |
| 21:15.00 | wethrin | Ah, but that's because most pubs don't serve it very well |
| 21:15.00 | hali | tbh, the best london pride is served at all bar one |
| 21:15.06 | z00dax | did trousers_'s make 18 ? |
| 21:15.09 | wethrin | That's just scary |
| 21:15.16 | z00dax | trousers_: how old are you now ? |
| 21:15.17 | trousers_ | z00dax: I'm still 15... |
| 21:15.26 | z00dax | 'tis what i thought |
| 21:15.31 | wethrin | One can drink in restaurants/pubs from 16, with food |
| 21:15.36 | wethrin | Bah. Youngsters.. |
| 21:15.41 | trousers_ | And have 7 exams this week D: Oh woe is me! |
| 21:15.59 | z00dax | exams are easy, as long as you know what's in them |
| 21:16.02 | wethrin | But they're only GCSEs, aren't they? |
| 21:16.14 | trousers_ | wethrin: Nonetheless, geography is still difficult. |
| 21:16.28 | wethrin | I got bored of it after year 9 |
| 21:16.39 | JosefAssad | I remember the first 15 year old we got in the LUG down here... come first InstallFest, poor chap was literally locked in a room with a marker and meters high stacks of burned CDs with the job of writing CD1 and CD2. For 8 hours. |
| 21:16.50 | trousers_ | Ouch. |
| 21:17.03 | JosefAssad | (wasn't done intentionally; he was just too polite to make a fuss) |
| 21:17.10 | trousers_ | Hehe. |
| 21:17.20 | wethrin | Since when are 15yos polite? |
| 21:17.29 | JosefAssad | well. Except for the part about locking him in, nothing was intentional. |
| 21:17.35 | trousers_ | wethrin: I like to think of myself as polite, good sir. |
| 21:17.50 | z00dax | trousers_: is that before you are drunk or after ? |
| 21:17.57 | JosefAssad | wethrin: Soundproof glass. We didn't hear any profanity. |
| 21:17.59 | wethrin | Well, then, sir, do pass the port, there's a good chap |
| 21:18.23 | trousers_ | z00dax: As stated earlier, this *points at body* is an ethanol free body... To an extent. |
| 21:18.53 | JosefAssad | perl mongers? The 7th is going to be perl coders? Oh dear... can we at least excluse the emacs users then? Just to maintain some standards. |
| 21:19.05 | wethrin | Nothing wrong with emacs |
| 21:20.07 | z00dax | vile! |
| 21:20.08 | antiphase | A place for everything, and everything in its place ;) |
| 21:20.27 | clive-h | I use emacs |
| 21:20.41 | clive-h | why are you excluding me? |
| 21:21.40 | JosefAssad | from #vim: 00:14 < mitsuhiko> i can take vim on an usb stick with me around the world and it will work everywhere (and it actually does) |
| 21:21.45 | JosefAssad | *sigh* |
| 21:22.10 | wethrin | I can take emacs on a USB stick! |
| 21:22.18 | wethrin | One can easily get 4GB USB sticks... |
| 21:22.59 | antiphase | I'm trying to get back into emacs for development work just for a change, it's difficult to get out of typing i and o before anything else though |
| 21:23.20 | wethrin | And not hit the escape key? |
| 21:25.51 | ranner | when I started using eclipse fr development I kept finding stray ':w's in my code |
| 21:26.01 | ranner | until I found a vi plugin for eclipse :) |
| 21:26.32 | JosefAssad | I was doing my presentation for the conference I have to speak at in Yemen and there were :wq's all over ooimpress |
| 21:26.47 | antiphase | ZZ 4tw |
| 21:27.23 | JosefAssad | once I was driving and reached for the 'u' key after having shouted at another driver. Disturbing |
| 21:27.33 | wethrin | I haven't used ZZ for *years* |
| 21:28.09 | JosefAssad | e neither. I _know_ ZZ, but an act of such import as to terminate the vim process deserves a colon and an Enter |
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| 21:40.37 | z00dax | | (0.3%) ETA in 790:45:39 - 0 peers 1 seeds 0 dist copies - 1.1MiB dn 64.1KiB up |
| 21:40.44 | z00dax | dont you love BitTorrent..... |
| 21:40.56 | z00dax | btw, those stats are after 3 days of this thing being up |
| 21:41.05 | clive-h | errrk |
| 21:41.07 | wethrin | Download a more popular torrent |
| 21:41.25 | clive-h | what are you downloading? |
| 21:41.30 | JosefAssad | I like rtorrent |
| 21:41.49 | clive-h | I use ktorrent these days |
| 21:42.05 | wethrin | I mostly use bittorrent or bittornado |
| 21:42.11 | clive-h | I used to use azureus |
| 21:42.36 | z00dax | bittorrent here |
| 21:43.13 | z00dax | wethrin: its a presentation video that one of my Prof's from Univ did a few days back |
| 21:43.38 | wethrin | Get it digg'ed, or /.ed |
| 21:43.54 | JosefAssad | there's an idea. |
| 21:44.34 | z00dax | not sure if many people would be interested in 'apples as operational research tools' |
| 21:44.51 | z00dax | OR was one of my majors in college |
| 21:44.53 | Dominic | clive-h: I use ktorrent too, but I find it really unstable. Seems to crash after 8 hours or more. I get back and find a KDE crash screen. |
| 21:45.17 | z00dax | boudiccas: there is a bug report for that KDM thing - i shall get it fixed and do an update during the next week |
| 21:48.07 | clive-h | I probably haven't torrented anything that would break ktorrent |
| 21:49.32 | clive-h | F7 torrents weren't usable |
| 21:50.50 | clive-h | But still I really like Fedora 7] |
| 22:00.20 | wethrin | I gave up on Redhat a long time ago |
| 22:01.42 | kjalil | wethrin: debian now? |
| 22:02.03 | kjalil | fedora 7 *is* nice though, i like it |
| 22:02.15 | wethrin | I still feel more a Slackware person, if I have to use Linux |
| 22:02.24 | clive-h | It's a good release |
| 22:02.27 | wethrin | Although my current Linux machines are all running Debian... |
| 22:02.54 | kjalil | wethrin: i also want to get back to slackware, but how do you upgrade a slackware install? do you have to reinstall? |
| 22:02.56 | clive-h | Slackware's package management is really just tar |
| 22:03.12 | wethrin | You can do natty things with slapt-get now |
| 22:03.31 | JosefAssad | slapt-get resolves dependencies, I hear. But does it fetch them too and all? |
| 22:03.34 | kjalil | wethrin: natty is = nifty?? |
| 22:03.50 | wethrin | something along those lines |
| 22:04.03 | JosefAssad | okay |
| 22:04.04 | wethrin | But a bit more hacky than nifty would imply |
| 22:04.09 | JosefAssad | first distro I ever tried was in fact slackware, around 97 or so |
| 22:04.17 | clive-h | I abandoned slackware when they were slow to move from a.out to elf |
| 22:04.40 | kjalil | JosefAssad: yeah, i guess most of us. my first was Yggdrasil Linux, I think that was based on slackware |
| 22:04.43 | wethrin | Wasn't that when Pat was very ill? |
| 22:04.57 | wethrin | No, Ygg wasn't |
| 22:04.57 | JosefAssad | Volkerdink's illness is more recent, IIRC |
| 22:05.05 | clive-h | My first linuz was SLS on floppy |
| 22:05.20 | clive-h | then yggdrasil on cd |
| 22:05.28 | kjalil | wethrin: hmm, so what was it based on then? custom? |
| 22:05.33 | JosefAssad | old geezers! |
| 22:05.48 | wethrin | Didn't Ygg stem off SLS? |
| 22:05.56 | clive-h | no |
| 22:06.02 | wethrin | As did SUSE, and slightly Slackware |
| 22:06.07 | kjalil | wethrin: yeah i think so |
| 22:06.09 | z00dax | debian might be a half decent distro if it wasen bogg'd down by politics. |
| 22:06.16 | clive-h | there was mcc too around that time |
| 22:06.38 | wethrin | MCC's been around for over 100 years |
| 22:06.49 | z00dax | heh |
| 22:07.10 | kjalil | the only way for me to get linux was to buy a *thick* book with a CD in it. the book was basically man pages printed out :) |
| 22:07.15 | clive-h | Ahhh |
| 22:07.19 | clive-h | That book |
| 22:07.31 | kjalil | clive-h: yeah, green book |
| 22:07.31 | clive-h | Yellow and black?? |
| 22:07.35 | clive-h | oh |
| 22:07.36 | kjalil | oops |
| 22:07.44 | z00dax | my first linux install was slackware, based on a 1.0.x kernel iirc |
| 22:07.47 | kjalil | i wish i could find it again |
| 22:07.59 | z00dax | and then i switched to os/2 since it actually worked |
| 22:08.03 | clive-h | 0.99 here |
| 22:08.09 | z00dax | didnt come back to linux till 1.2.3 was out |
| 22:08.11 | kjalil | z00dax: ignore the politics, i'm typing this on debian right now |
| 22:08.34 | clive-h | I recall waiting for the kernel to get SLIP |
| 22:08.39 | z00dax | kjalil: i do ignore debian politics completely - i dont use it :) |
| 22:08.53 | kjalil | z00dax: lol. what are you using now then? |
| 22:08.58 | clive-h | so I could use linux on line |
| 22:09.05 | z00dax | for me and what i do - no distro is going to be an option till they can produce a redhat-rawhide varient that actually works |
| 22:09.20 | z00dax | kjalil: CentOS on all my production machines, rawhide on my workstation and laptop |
| 22:09.26 | kjalil | z00dax: i get confused with redhat. what is rawhide exactly |
| 22:09.40 | z00dax | rawhide is the nightly build |
| 22:09.44 | clive-h | upstream redhat |
| 22:10.14 | kjalil | z00dax: so RHEL is based off Fedora, and CentOS is based off RHEL. so how does rawhide fit in? |
| 22:10.24 | z00dax | kjalil: it doesnt |
| 22:10.47 | kjalil | z00dax: where can I *get* it to install it on this machine for example |
| 22:10.50 | z00dax | and rhel isnt really based off Fedora either - Fedora is a different setup completely, rhel takes some bits of it |
| 22:11.33 | z00dax | kjalil: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/x86_64/os/images/boot.iso |
| 22:11.47 | kjalil | z00dax: btw, i'm torrenting the CentOS 5 DVD iso right now :) at 12K down |
| 22:11.48 | z00dax | the -Development stream is Rawhide |
| 22:12.17 | z00dax | 12k ?? what speed is your link ? |
| 22:12.18 | clive-h | I must look at centos 5 some time |
| 22:12.23 | wethrin | Gah. Solaris is even slower to install than RedHat! |
| 22:12.49 | clive-h | solaris is slow to even boot the kernel |
| 22:12.54 | kjalil | z00dax: it's just 8Mbps down, I don't know why it won't speed up. I'm using bittorrent and ports are forwarded correctly |
| 22:13.17 | wethrin | solaris was the newest OS I had in the house |
| 22:13.21 | z00dax | kjalil: what Arch ? and is that ? |
| 22:13.31 | wethrin | kjalil: What upload rate? |
| 22:13.36 | clive-h | i'm impressed with Fedora 7 |
| 22:13.50 | clive-h | it installed quick enough |
| 22:13.55 | z00dax | clive-h: the 7k apps in the repo's help :) |
| 22:14.04 | wethrin | If it saturates the upload link, downloads get *really* slow |
| 22:14.23 | clive-h | I set the repos up immediately |
| 22:14.25 | JosefAssad | I actually _used_ LFS for a few months back around 2000 |
| 22:14.29 | z00dax | just turn off uploading, the share'd b/w on the C-5/i386 DVD is at 800MB/sec |
| 22:14.44 | z00dax | its like 1200MB/sec on the x8664 one |
| 22:14.54 | kjalil | wethrin: 2-4 K? let me check |
| 22:15.57 | wethrin | JosefAssad: Then you found you had better things to do? |
| 22:15.57 | clive-h | This is the first time I've done 64 bit at home |
| 22:15.57 | JosefAssad | wethrin: then I got my first job, yes |
| 22:15.57 | kjalil | wethrin: ok, 29K down, 1K or so up |
| 22:15.57 | wethrin | Hm. Not the upload, then |
| 22:15.58 | z00dax | network congesstion somewhere else perhaps |
| 22:15.59 | z00dax | btw, kernel.org has the DVD's - why not just ftp or rsync them down ? |
| 22:16.38 | kjalil | z00dax: yeah i keep giving bittorrent a chance, but it's always too slow for me |
| 22:17.02 | kjalil | z00dax: i d/led fedora 7 directly 2 days ago, gave up on bittorrent |
| 22:17.31 | wethrin | g'night all |
| 22:17.50 | clive-h | I downloadd fedora 7 directly too torrent was very slow |
| 22:18.10 | z00dax | wethrin: nite |
| 22:18.35 | z00dax | we have a bunch of machines on 100mbps links doing nothing else, exept torrents... |
| 22:19.05 | z00dax | kjalil: btw, I've just started a torrent here, getting a lot of speed |
| 22:19.05 | kjalil | wethrin: nite |
| 22:19.07 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:19.41 | kjalil | z00dax: hmm, what is wrong here then? ISP slowing me down? |
| 22:19.50 | kjalil | or should i not use bittorrent? |
| 22:20.00 | kjalil | I mean should i use ktorrent or azureus |
| 22:20.02 | z00dax | | |
| 22:20.17 | z00dax | humm i m using bittorrent |
| 22:20.30 | kjalil | z00dax: i'm using btdownloadcurses |
| 22:20.44 | z00dax | launchmany-curses here |
| 22:23.00 | kjalil | z00dax: ok i'm getting 30K down now |
| 22:23.16 | kjalil | i'll leave it overnight |
| 22:24.52 | rhowe | kjalil: Are you behind NAT or a packet filter? |
| 22:25.10 | rhowe | kjalil: Make sure that you can receive incoming connections to your bittorrent client if you want to get the best speeds |
| 22:25.44 | rhowe | Damn Symantec liveupdate process has accrued 140 hours CPU time! |
| 22:28.17 | kjalil | rhowe: AFAIK i have forwarded the ports correctly. is there an explicit way to check this? |
| 22:28.38 | kjalil | rhowe: the uploads do seem to be happening, although slowly |
| 22:32.19 | kjalil | bbl |
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| 22:41.40 | z00dax | whats a cheap and cheerful way of getting video from a machine to the TV ? |
| 22:41.51 | z00dax | I seem to only have scart and the usual Aerial inputs into the TV |
| 22:41.54 | z00dax | no s-video |
| 22:42.41 | z00dax | machine = computer, ofcourse |
| 22:45.47 | rhowe | You might find the graphics card can output something which will be picked up off the scart connector |
| 22:45.54 | rhowe | SCART carries s-video and composite video, AFAIK |
| 22:46.43 | z00dax | i dont have a grfx card at the moment, for the machine - so whats should i get ? |
| 22:47.26 | rhowe | dunno really |
| 22:47.53 | rhowe | I guess the nvidia binary driver will be able to drive all the tvout stuff on nvidia kit |
| 22:48.07 | rhowe | other chips might be a bit more patchy |
| 22:48.11 | z00dax | http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/116327/rb/28362037546 |
| 22:48.13 | rhowe | matrox is OK, I think |
| 22:48.29 | z00dax | or http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/104734/rb/28362037546 |
| 22:48.30 | rhowe | but my most modern card is a G450, so I'm no authority, and I've never done TV out |
| 22:48.37 | z00dax | atleast is a 62xx |
| 22:49.03 | z00dax | humm... my most modern grfx is whats on my laptops, ati x700 and an intel 945something |
| 22:50.03 | z00dax | http://image.ebuyer.com/UK/R0104734-03.jpg that seems to have a normal tv-aerial out thing |
| 22:50.31 | clive-h | I've been having issues with current xorg and intel graphics |
| 22:51.37 | z00dax | humm i've been ok with my laptop so far, everything just works - including beryl and aiglx etc |
| 22:52.03 | clive-h | i'm hoping the laptop will work |
| 22:52.42 | clive-h | But the desktop with an intel chip is very iffy |
| 22:54.44 | kjalil | z00dax: you want to output from your video card to the tv? and tv only has scart inputs? |
| 22:58.59 | rhowe | Sean of the dead on itv2 |
| 23:00.02 | z00dax | kjalil: yes |
| 23:00.38 | z00dax | there seem to be some s-video to scart converters - and i seem to have a video card with an s-video output. so might get one of these converters |
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