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04:56.25 | morsing | clive-h! |
04:57.56 | clive-h | Morning morsing! |
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07:50.33 | JosefAssad | morning |
07:51.52 | sabinef72 | morning all |
07:54.51 | niv_one_three | hello world |
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09:40.34 | zOOz | hello |
09:59.53 | adhoc | evenen zOOz |
10:23.14 | rhowe | People are fucking idiots - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/04/wi_fi_panic/ |
10:25.23 | z00dax | hallo |
10:27.37 | z00dax | wtf is Scooter Computer! |
10:29.18 | rhowe | nfi |
10:32.28 | kjalil | morning all |
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10:32.45 | rhowe | z00dax: home computer support company |
10:33.42 | z00dax | rhowe: yeah just looking up their website... the pink is horrible. |
10:34.05 | z00dax | looks like they have jobs! for people who can fix broadband, ipod's and home networks!!! |
10:34.09 | z00dax | i might qualify! |
10:34.44 | z00dax | since they dont ask for it, i suppose the Scooters are company supplied.... |
10:34.58 | rhowe | z00dax: They're also still advertising their January discount for people who can't use their xmas presents |
10:35.25 | adhoc | rhowe: perhaps people should throw away their mobile phones first... they pump out ten times more power anyways |
10:35.30 | z00dax | rhowe: its not clear, which year's xmas gifts they are talking about |
10:35.31 | rhowe | adhoc: Indeed |
10:35.38 | rhowe | z00dax: It says Jan 2007 in the PDF |
10:35.41 | adhoc | then move on to mobile phone base stations |
10:35.48 | z00dax | also, if people in June still cant use the gifts they got 6 months back, they really *do* need help! |
10:36.11 | z00dax | ooh.. i didnt look at the pdf. |
10:36.25 | adhoc | hey z00dax i have gift vouchers i got 11 months ago i still need to use |
10:36.47 | z00dax | adhoc: you need help. |
10:36.50 | JosefAssad | wow, such amazing old documents in my backups |
10:36.56 | adhoc | z00dax: pffft |
10:37.00 | kjalil | z00dax: did you get the s-video working? |
10:37.35 | z00dax | kjalil: not yet, i need to get off my arse and go buy a s-video -> scart cable |
10:41.51 | kjalil | z00dax: my current media center setup works that way, s-video to scart. i haven't tried in linux though |
10:42.23 | adhoc | laters |
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10:42.55 | z00dax | adhoc, c ya |
10:45.07 | JosefAssad | why, when I am hungry, am I making coffee? |
11:28.47 | zOOz | when is the next meeting? |
11:30.53 | boudiccas | friday 8 june, maidstone social meeting in the british queen |
11:32.15 | zOOz | what is maidstone? |
11:32.52 | boudiccas | the name of a place in kent |
11:33.26 | zOOz | it is out of london, isn't? |
11:33.55 | boudiccas | yes, its the capital town of kent, and is the loose HQ of Kent lug |
11:34.17 | boudiccas | and friday 8 june is our next meeting |
11:36.57 | zOOz | ok |
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11:41.39 | clive-h | good afternoon |
11:45.15 | wethrin | ahoy |
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12:32.25 | niv_one_three | hi all |
12:34.05 | boudiccas | mwop |
12:34.50 | niv_one_three | is anyone aware of a program that runs in shel that has icq sms access? |
12:34.50 | niv_one_three | bitlbee only gives me icq , no smsicq |
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13:15.21 | hali | most important task of the week already completed! *yeay* |
13:15.28 | hali | naming a set a of new QA servers |
13:15.36 | hali | i think my favorite is "leatherjacket" |
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13:20.47 | cpufreak | lets play hang man |
13:21.36 | boudiccas | which man shall we hang? |
13:21.58 | cpufreak | bilarh |
13:22.34 | boudiccas | lets hang ibot |
13:23.49 | cpufreak | nah bilarh |
13:27.23 | Leeds | ibot hangman |
13:35.16 | Leeds | my flatmate is watching a silly chick-flick, but the subtitles are amazingly bad :-) |
13:38.34 | Leeds | "Why the sad face?" = "Your face how?" |
14:47.32 | JosefAssad | I'm guessing it isn't abhorrently expensive to get a cell phone line in the UK? |
14:49.10 | zOOz | does anyone know good website/s to find new friends and smth. like that? I mean in London |
14:49.22 | wethrin | JosefAssad: Technically, one can never get a cell phone line |
14:49.31 | JosefAssad | Alright. Rent. |
14:50.04 | wethrin | That'd involve renting a base station :) |
14:50.15 | wethrin | Maybe sir would prefer a wireless connection? |
14:50.30 | wethrin | They can be had from anything between 0 and a few hundred quid a month |
14:51.04 | JosefAssad | A wireless connection or a line? |
14:51.35 | antiphase | Virtual Circuit |
14:52.38 | SlayerCE | fg |
14:52.52 | wethrin | No such job |
14:53.17 | JosefAssad | ... |
14:54.01 | antiphase | kill %1 |
14:56.53 | SlayerCE | and I still need more customers, damn them |
14:58.41 | zOOz | I'm looking for Linux admin/support role, any offers? |
14:59.01 | cpufreak | perm or contract? |
14:59.34 | antiphase | Looking to hire or be employed? If the latter, it's not conventional to ask for offers ;) |
14:59.54 | wethrin | antiphase: But it does sometimes work :) |
15:01.43 | JosefAssad | off _and_ out? My my |
15:03.56 | zOOz | cpufreak, doesn't make any diff |
15:04.29 | cpufreak | if you want perm, and odn't mind moving to holland, we're hiring. |
15:05.11 | zOOz | first thing I don't know language |
15:05.15 | zOOz | ;- |
15:05.24 | cpufreak | I speak english |
15:05.24 | cpufreak | I assume you do too |
15:05.31 | cpufreak | thats the common language here. |
15:05.41 | zOOz | yes, I do |
15:06.53 | cpufreak | then if you don't mind the idea of working in holland, using ubuntu, and don't mind working crazy hours to make stuff work send me a cv. |
15:07.13 | zOOz | drop me your email address |
15:07.41 | antiphase | I might be in a position to emigrate once my gaff is flogged |
15:08.00 | cpufreak | excellent ant |
15:08.04 | cpufreak | send me a CV too. |
15:10.04 | SlayerCE | Sending "reverse job offer" emails to the GLLUG list has resulted in me getting work |
15:10.38 | JosefAssad | Wish it were that simple for me :) |
15:10.50 | antiphase | You must be lacking mad skillz |
15:11.26 | JosefAssad | yes and no |
15:11.39 | Leeds | it didn't help me - but then I was asking something slightly more complicated than usual |
15:11.44 | JosefAssad | want to see what kind of CV will make it tough to find the right job, antiphase? |
15:12.29 | JosefAssad | never mind... silly idea. Yes, I am probably lacking some mad skills on many levels :) |
15:12.33 | SlayerCE | my CV is ace |
15:13.39 | antiphase | JosefAssad: Do you mean your CV is shit? |
15:13.52 | JosefAssad | antiphase: sure |
15:14.09 | antiphase | In terms of presentation or content? |
15:15.26 | JosefAssad | antiphase: I am not an enineer by any stretch. Done supply chain management, marketing, open source consultancy, microfinance, industry-level strategy building... Odd stuff. |
15:15.39 | JosefAssad | I look like an amalgamation of about five people :) |
15:15.53 | antiphase | So you're intent on not reusing your existing skills |
15:16.18 | antiphase | i can imagine how that might look unattractive to an employer ;) |
15:16.31 | JosefAssad | That's a long story. :) |
16:24.50 | clive-h | lol |
16:25.07 | clive-h | i've got two job interviews tomorrow |
16:25.17 | clive-h | that's a tad scary |
16:26.03 | boudiccas | but plenty of time to walk between them and also get something to eat :) |
16:26.15 | clive-h | yeah |
16:26.21 | boudiccas | oh, and btw, good luck :) |
16:26.38 | boudiccas | its only a 20-minute walk |
16:26.41 | clive-h | thank you i could do with some luck right now |
16:26.49 | boudiccas | 40-minutes if you're walking backwards |
16:26.55 | clive-h | lol |
16:27.49 | clive-h | then my only worry will be not having anywhere to live |
16:28.15 | boudiccas | i've got a spare bedroom, in Maidstone |
16:28.21 | cpufreak | halfords are doing a good deal on tents a tthe minute |
16:28.50 | clive-h | heh |
16:29.14 | clive-h | if i get a job i may be able to avoid being homeless |
16:30.06 | Leeds | we've got a sofa-bed here |
16:30.44 | boudiccas | clive-h; there you go, two offers of a bed for the night! |
16:30.58 | clive-h | heh thank you both |
16:31.17 | boudiccas | clive-h; you're more than welcome :) |
16:33.47 | clive-h | having someone to talk to would in fact be much better than this miserable place |
16:34.39 | clive-h | where i live presently |
16:38.53 | z00dax | I am just down the road from you - maybe we should meet for a beer sometime ? |
16:39.11 | clive-h | Better make it soon |
16:39.39 | clive-h | as things go i'm like to be homeless by next thursday |
16:39.46 | clive-h | likely |
16:40.06 | z00dax | what ? |
16:40.19 | clive-h | seriously |
16:40.47 | z00dax | well you said 2 job interviews lines up.... |
16:40.59 | clive-h | yep two tomorrow |
16:41.32 | clive-h | if i get one i should be able to avoid homelessness |
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16:54.35 | clive-h | but yeah a beer would be good |
17:00.20 | rhowe | z00dax: F&B tomorrow |
17:00.45 | rhowe | clive-h: I've a sofabed in SE1 going for very reasonable rates :P |
17:01.14 | clive-h | lol |
17:02.48 | clive-h | i've slept on my sofa many times |
17:19.40 | rhowe | Anyone know of any decent tools for cleaning up diry databases? |
17:19.50 | rhowe | er, dirty databases |
17:21.04 | SlayerCE | rhowe: "drop <dbname>" |
17:21.11 | rhowe | SlayerCE: heh |
17:21.14 | rhowe | SlayerCE: I wish |
17:21.15 | clive-h | how dirty |
17:21.28 | clive-h | and what rdbms? |
17:21.34 | rhowe | clive-h: Well, mainly just tidying up the values in a single attribute on a table |
17:22.06 | rhowe | clive-h: Say there's a 'country' attribute, which accepts freeform text, and we're redoing the schema so it instead references another table |
17:22.11 | rhowe | clive-h: SQL Server 2k |
17:22.15 | clive-h | copy the tables , set the unique constraint the attribute? |
17:22.22 | clive-h | on the |
17:22.48 | rhowe | clive-h: Nah, I want duplicates, but I want them consistent |
17:23.06 | rhowe | clive-h: Not a mix of "USA", "U.S.A." and "United States", for example |
17:23.18 | SlayerCE | rhowe: I would have one big country table and then have the maintable reference it |
17:23.39 | clive-h | what i'd call multi-values then since my background is Pick/Reality |
17:23.43 | rhowe | SlayerCE: That's what we're going for, but I still need a mapping of current values to a canonical value |
17:24.05 | rhowe | SlayerCE: There are many many places in this database where such a cleanup needs doing |
17:24.18 | SlayerCE | alter table foo add column countryref references countries.id; |
17:25.01 | SlayerCE | update table set countryref = countries.id where country=countries.name; |
17:25.05 | rhowe | SlayerCE: I was thinking of perhaps a GUI tool where you point it at a canonical listing and then you could drag&drop the non-matching values to the relevant canonical one to update them to match the canonical entry |
17:25.20 | rhowe | SlayerCE: Yeah, and then rinse and repeat for all the others |
17:25.30 | SlayerCE | then fix the odd dupes with "select * from table where countryref is null;" |
17:25.41 | clive-h | i can't remember if tora works with ms sql |
17:25.44 | SlayerCE | and some updates |
17:25.56 | clive-h | otherwise i'd suggest toad |
17:26.13 | rhowe | SlayerCE: set countryref = (select id from countries where name = 'United States') where countryname in ('USA', 'U.S.A.', 'United States of America', ...) |
17:26.17 | rhowe | SlayerCE: I'm talking hundreds of dupes |
17:26.39 | rhowe | SlayerCE: Across multiple parts of the schema |
17:26.49 | rhowe | clive-h: I think it does.. haven't tried though |
17:26.52 | clive-h | export it as a text file, run sed/perl/awk on it, import it again? |
17:26.55 | rhowe | clive-h: I think it crashed on me last time I tried |
17:27.22 | rhowe | clive-h: It's a bit messy when I'm doing about 40 different attributes full of crap, each with potentially hundreds of variations on what they ought to be |
17:27.53 | clive-h | those atrributes need to be constrained then |
17:28.13 | rhowe | clive-h: Yes, and they will be, but it's cleaning up the crufty historical data |
17:28.23 | rhowe | clive-h: Future entries aren't a problem, but past ones are |
17:29.04 | clive-h | I suppose i'd write a perl script |
17:29.15 | clive-h | test it it on a backup db |
17:29.59 | clive-h | it sounds like a bit of a project though |
17:30.24 | rhowe | There's probably stuff out there to do it, but finding it would be hard |
17:30.32 | rhowe | Still, sounds like fun to do |
17:31.54 | clive-h | im my salad days, when i was a programmer, i used to specialise in that kind of thing |
17:32.04 | clive-h | *in |
17:32.57 | rhowe | Let's see what we can knock together |
17:33.19 | clive-h | dba's who don't grok 3rd normal form worry me |
17:33.34 | rhowe | BCNF baby :) |
17:33.49 | rhowe | although I'm a bit out of touch on the specifics.. I don't do enough DB work really |
17:34.26 | clive-h | backus naur ++ |
17:34.37 | SlayerCE | i do enough to be very scared on some of the "best practices" in use |
17:34.43 | rhowe | Boyce-Codd, no? |
17:34.44 | SlayerCE | of some |
17:34.52 | rhowe | SlayerCE: heh |
17:35.04 | wethrin | Backus Naur ain't database |
17:35.10 | clive-h | hmm |
17:35.17 | rhowe | SlayerCE: best practices are just out there so that they can sell more "for dummies" books |
17:35.41 | rhowe | SlayerCE: They kinda work for the simple stuff, but for anything real you seem to need the odd hack or two |
17:36.01 | clive-h | ahh yes boyce-codd |
17:36.57 | rhowe | wethrin: Well you can use it to describe SQL, no? :) |
17:37.53 | clive-h | so many sql dialects so little time |
17:38.07 | clive-h | ms embrace and extend sql |
17:38.22 | rhowe | clive-h: GO! |
17:39.35 | clive-h | i've got some little ms press booklet here about sql |
17:39.55 | clive-h | and i was going d'uh that's not in oracle |
17:40.09 | rhowe | SELECT TOP <n> * FROM... |
17:41.11 | clive-h | i'm proud to have decommisioned ms sql servers and replaced em with oracle ones |
17:41.25 | wethrin | rhowe: Yes, well.... |
17:41.41 | clive-h | in the process migrating to linux |
17:41.55 | clive-h | i really loathe oracle on doze |
17:42.36 | SlayerCE | actually, ms defaults to ANSI SQL |
17:43.01 | SlayerCE | you can use their own features if you like, but dumps etc are all done in ansi sql |
17:43.29 | clive-h | i suspect most dbas use the extensions |
17:43.45 | rhowe | SQL Server's not that bad really.. so long as you stay away from their JDBC driver, which is utter tripe, and use jTDS |
17:44.31 | SlayerCE | a better plan would be avoiding java entirely |
17:44.45 | clive-h | tds shows ms sql's roots in sybase |
17:48.59 | morsing | SlayerCE! |
17:49.11 | morsing | SlayerCE: Where's goibhniu? :( |
17:49.11 | wethrin | morsing! |
17:49.14 | morsing | wethrin! |
17:49.22 | SlayerCE | no idea |
17:50.35 | morsing | wethrin: I need to contact goibhniu |
17:50.42 | rhowe | SlayerCE: Java gets you Hibernate, which is pretty cool |
17:50.53 | wethrin | Send him an email |
17:53.56 | clive-h | i'd rather use perl DBI |
18:00.25 | clive-h | how big is the db? |
18:01.18 | rhowe | clive-h: Small enough that sqlite would do |
18:01.21 | rhowe | clive-h: 50M or so |
18:01.37 | clive-h | oh right not that big at all |
18:01.45 | rhowe | Nah, but the data is important |
18:02.24 | rhowe | ahh, lazy food# |
18:02.58 | clive-h | pizza? |
18:04.49 | morsing | wethrin: Address? |
18:07.10 | rhowe | curried beans |
18:07.40 | clive-h | ahh i had curry for lunch |
18:11.58 | wethrin | morsing: don't know |
18:20.18 | trousers_ | Evenin'. |
18:20.42 | trousers_ | clive-h: I've never been daring enough for curry for lunch... But how I do desire... |
18:21.09 | clive-h | i eat kebabs for lunch too |
18:27.23 | morsing | wethrin: Oh - what did you have for lunch? |
18:28.19 | wethrin | Beef stroganoff |
18:34.37 | clive-h | very ethnic |
18:35.33 | morsing | Beer? |
18:35.34 | wethrin | effnic food++ |
18:35.39 | morsing | Really? |
18:35.43 | morsing | Like Danish? |
18:36.00 | wethrin | No. British beer > Danish beer |
18:36.02 | clive-h | borsht is beetroot soup ish |
18:36.08 | morsing | Ha ha - lol :P |
18:36.24 | clive-h | i prefer belgian beer |
18:37.08 | clive-h | though british ale is good |
18:39.06 | wethrin | I don't count mass-produced pish as beer |
18:39.31 | clive-h | some british ale even |
18:39.41 | clive-h | like theakstons |
18:39.52 | clive-h | or summer lightning |
18:40.54 | boudiccas | threakstons |
18:41.01 | wethrin | A lot of Belgian beer's a bit shite |
18:41.02 | boudiccas | shepherd neame |
18:41.11 | boudiccas | thats the bees knees |
18:41.18 | wethrin | Which Shepheard Neame? |
18:41.19 | clive-h | heh |
18:42.08 | boudiccas | masterbrew |
18:42.08 | wethrin | Scottish beers++ |
18:42.08 | clive-h | I used to drink shephard neame |
18:42.09 | boudiccas | or spitfire |
18:42.09 | clive-h | bishops finger |
18:42.14 | wethrin | I've never had a bad beer from Houston brewery |
18:42.54 | clive-h | good kentish brewery |
18:43.10 | clive-h | or is that a brewery of kent |
18:43.13 | morsing | DAnish beer++ |
18:43.30 | clive-h | i never really did get the distinction |
18:43.31 | morsing | Where's Richard? |
18:46.17 | wethrin | HK |
19:00.05 | andrew__4 | I have never had bad beer from Houston, but that is trivailly true :-) |
19:04.39 | JosefAssad | Tuborg christmas brew FTW |
19:05.20 | clive-h | shephard neame's xmas ale is nice |
19:06.54 | JosefAssad | long flight tomorrow. Night. |
19:07.49 | morsing | ibot FTW |
19:07.51 | ibot | ftw is probably wtf backwards, or for the win |
19:08.00 | morsing | Hmm...? |
19:08.51 | clive-h | for the win |
19:15.36 | wethrin | For Teh Win! |
19:36.55 | rhowe | http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/mimihascatears.jpg |
19:41.21 | morsing | Beer |
20:02.36 | morsing | Where does sound juicer extract to? |
20:08.35 | morsing | Hello? |
20:11.00 | morsing | What can convert ogg tp mp3? |
20:11.00 | wethrin | Output the ogg to a wav file, and put into an MP3 encoder |
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20:11.25 | zOOz | morsing: http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=ogg+mp3+converter§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0 |
20:11.27 | morsing | AnneC! |
20:11.56 | AnneC | morsing! |
20:15.52 | wethrin | Pubtime! |
20:16.21 | morsing | Beer |
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20:20.53 | [Clive] | Hmmmm |
20:36.12 | morsing | Chives |
20:36.40 | clive-h | Chives? |
20:37.02 | z00dax | curry! |
20:37.27 | clive-h | Mmmm curry now you're talking |
20:39.19 | z00dax | whats the best kebab joint in the neighbourhood ? |
20:39.37 | clive-h | which bit? |
20:40.00 | adminjs | thai-curry |
20:40.04 | z00dax | I'd presume the whole kebab, i didnt know there were places that specialised in bits |
20:40.16 | clive-h | There's a nice one in Bexleyheath - cyprus village |
20:40.21 | z00dax | oh you mean as in which bit of the 'hood - well, all over really. |
20:40.34 | clive-h | Kia kebabs are good in Dartford |
20:41.12 | z00dax | ah right. humm |
20:41.49 | clive-h | There's plenty of kebab shops |
20:41.58 | clive-h | Crayford has 3 |
20:42.08 | morsing | clive-h: You live in Crayford? |
20:42.14 | clive-h | Dartford has about 6 |
20:42.28 | morsing | ?! Seriously? |
20:42.32 | clive-h | Yes I live in Crayford |
20:42.38 | morsing | How's Geir? |
20:42.42 | z00dax | i think bexley village has a few as well |
20:42.54 | z00dax | morsing: Geir moved to newcastle |
20:42.57 | clive-h | Bexley village has some |
20:43.20 | morsing | No he didn't! |
20:43.36 | morsing | clive-h: Ever see a small man with a large hat walking a dog? |
20:43.42 | clive-h | i used to walk to the one near the Old Mill |
20:44.01 | clive-h | Not that I recall morsing |
20:44.04 | z00dax | clive-h: thats a fair walk from here :) but the old mill is nice too - I've been there a few times |
20:44.18 | z00dax | morsing: sure he did, the dog didnt like the local weather too much |
20:44.43 | clive-h | I used to drink at the george |
20:45.21 | z00dax | so how long have you been living in this area then ? |
20:45.42 | clive-h | Errr I'm 51 I've lived here all my life |
20:46.27 | z00dax | righto, thats 47 years longer than I have, lived in this area |
20:46.34 | clive-h | I went to school in Bexley |
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