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| 04:05.48 | *** topic/#gllug is Mailing lists have been restored | Greater London LUG - http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk |
| 05:34.08 | morsing | ibot! |
| 05:39.33 | morsing | ping sabinef72 |
| 08:16.08 | sabinef72 | yes morsing ? |
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| 08:22.52 | niv_one_three | any one in the channel? |
| 08:22.54 | niv_one_three | :-) |
| 08:24.16 | niv_one_three | well, I am seeking to help my mother make a slideshow of her kindergarden |
| 08:24.50 | niv_one_three | I need to burn it to a cd, so each perent may get the year book |
| 08:24.54 | niv_one_three | any clues? |
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| 09:21.48 | wethrin | hello |
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| 10:37.44 | niv_one_three | seeking to help my mother make a slideshow of her kindergarden |
| 10:37.51 | niv_one_three | any ideas? |
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| 12:01.12 | morsing | clive-h! |
| 12:01.15 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 12:03.43 | clive-h | hi there |
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| 12:11.26 | gregj | anyone for beer in london today ? |
| 12:13.17 | boudiccas | what does 'non-contiguous' mean please? |
| 12:13.25 | gregj | not continues |
| 12:13.29 | gregj | contingues |
| 12:13.33 | gregj | ---------------- |
| 12:13.50 | gregj | this line on some computers is going to be non-continguos, while on others it will be |
| 12:13.53 | gregj | :) |
| 12:13.55 | gregj | continous.. |
| 12:14.01 | boudiccas | ah, ty ... so its a measure of the 'defragged' quality of the disk |
| 12:14.07 | clive-h | split into blocks |
| 12:14.11 | clive-h | yes |
| 12:14.14 | gregj | yes |
| 12:14.26 | boudiccas | ty |
| 12:14.27 | gregj | it means that some parts are on one track, while others are scattered around |
| 12:14.30 | gregj | ja |
| 12:14.31 | gregj | :) |
| 12:14.56 | gregj | (ty in Polish means you, alone is a very hard fraze - just like - "hey you dude") |
| 12:15.30 | gregj | boudiccas: no probs, you're welcomed |
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| 12:39.03 | morsing | sanelson! |
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| 13:04.29 | morsing | huw-l! |
| 13:20.28 | gregj | anyone for beer in london today ? |
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| 13:43.27 | boudiccas | clive-h; mentioned in despatches :) |
| 13:43.51 | boudiccas | JosefAssad; how did the interview go? |
| 13:44.07 | clive-h | heh |
| 13:46.09 | JosefAssad | I'm not entirely sure... |
| 13:46.34 | JosefAssad | Questions like "In your opinion, how do you contextualize technology in the enterprise?" |
| 13:46.42 | clive-h | good luck |
| 13:46.58 | JosefAssad | I mean, I'm a consultant and all, but some questions are just a little too Muppet Show |
| 13:47.09 | clive-h | what on earth does that mean |
| 13:47.25 | boudiccas | could they be trekkie fans? :) |
| 13:47.28 | JosefAssad | Anyhow, I'm flying back in for _another_ interview somewhere else 17-20. |
| 13:47.57 | clive-h | sounds very expensive |
| 13:47.59 | JosefAssad | boudiccas: I know; I should have told them that reversing pularity on the flux capacitors is the usual application |
| 13:48.03 | JosefAssad | clive-h: It is. |
| 13:48.07 | boudiccas | lol |
| 13:48.29 | JosefAssad | clive-h: Not happy about it, but isn't much I can do bout it. |
| 13:48.36 | clive-h | I just have to go to Egham next Wednesday |
| 13:48.47 | clive-h | which is a lot cheaper |
| 13:49.00 | morsing | JosefAssad! |
| 13:49.05 | JosefAssad | morsing: hello there |
| 13:49.11 | boudiccas | clive-h; how did your two interviews go? |
| 13:49.26 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 13:49.37 | clive-h | No luck as yet |
| 13:49.44 | clive-h | another one Tuesday |
| 13:49.58 | boudiccas | morsing; ! |
| 14:03.12 | trousers_ | boudiccas! morsing! |
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| 14:10.31 | gregj | heh |
| 14:17.40 | morsing | mylesbraithwaite! |
| 14:19.00 | morsing | Well, my handsfree kit is installed now |
| 14:19.43 | boudiccas | trousers_; ! |
| 14:20.17 | boudiccas | morsing; so you can now do the washing up without ever getting your hands wet then? :) |
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| 14:36.54 | morsing | Yes |
| 14:36.56 | morsing | sanelson! |
| 14:36.58 | morsing | niv_one_three! |
| 14:37.49 | JosefAssad | bloody hell, now I have one speech _and_ one panel to deliver at that bloody conference :\ |
| 14:40.23 | niv_one_three | hi, how may I make a slideshow on a cd ? |
| 14:40.41 | niv_one_three | I remember a free tool I saw in FOSDEM - forgot its name :-( |
| 14:40.57 | JosefAssad | as in a bootable CD? |
| 14:41.03 | niv_one_three | yes! |
| 14:55.53 | boudiccas | When rebooting my Centos 5 boxI get the following error message '/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit line 160 kmodule command not found' can anyone please help me resolve this so that its either found, or so that i don't get the error message? |
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| 15:07.22 | morsing | sanelson! |
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| 16:01.52 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 16:01.59 | dick_turpin | morsing: |
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| 16:07.13 | morsing | dick_turpin! |
| 16:07.36 | boudiccas | bouncing dick_turpin |
| 16:11.02 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Bouncing? |
| 16:16.34 | morsing | dick_turpin: I love you |
| 16:17.22 | boudiccas | join, leave, and rejoin again = bouncing ! :) |
| 16:37.10 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Groan am I breaking the rules yet again? |
| 16:43.17 | dick_turpin | morsing: Sorry I missed your message |
| 16:55.15 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; guilty conscience? :) |
| 16:57.00 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I seem to be upsetting everyone just lately |
| 16:57.31 | boudiccas | dick :) you haven't upset me, I'm just teasing :) |
| 16:58.09 | dick_turpin | I've had a mail from goibhinu, he's in Germany no sausages though |
| 17:07.03 | morsing | Beer |
| 17:08.26 | morsing | Sushi |
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| 17:54.08 | morsing | Beer |
| 17:54.45 | clive-h | cat beer |more |
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| 18:03.44 | morsing | sanelson_! |
| 18:55.32 | morsing | ping JosefAssad |
| 19:06.57 | morsing | Simply press "Fn-F5". The Bluetooth light will go on and the hotplug system will load the bluez module. |
| 19:07.11 | morsing | Errmmm... No it won't! |
| 19:07.49 | clive-h | what ? |
| 19:08.13 | morsing | Well, absolutely nothing happens when I hit Fn-F5 |
| 19:08.24 | morsing | How do I get wireless to work? |
| 19:08.52 | clive-h | do you mean wifi or bluetooth? |
| 19:08.56 | morsing | Wifi |
| 19:09.10 | morsing | Oh, am I doing it wrong? |
| 19:09.16 | rhowe | morsing: bluez is for bluetooth.. it's not gonna do anything wifi-related |
| 19:09.28 | boudiccas | how do i get to find out how much credit is left on my payg phone please? |
| 19:09.29 | morsing | So how do I get on the network? |
| 19:09.30 | rhowe | morsing: Well, unless you have a bluetooth wifi adapter, but I've never heard of such a beast |
| 19:09.38 | morsing | rhowe: Treo 650 |
| 19:09.40 | rhowe | morsing: Depends on your wifi chipset |
| 19:09.46 | morsing | rhowe: Intel Pro100 |
| 19:09.57 | rhowe | morsing: Not clear what you're trying to do |
| 19:10.12 | clive-h | You'll undoubtedly ban me |
| 19:10.22 | morsing | It says Intel Pro/Wireless LAN 2100 |
| 19:10.28 | morsing | rhowe: Trying to get on the network |
| 19:10.57 | clive-h | but as antiphase said yesterday read the finbemanual |
| 19:10.58 | morsing | clive-h: Everything google related is from 2004 and says this is not supported but itś's not correct |
| 19:11.15 | morsing | But antiphase is an idiot |
| 19:11.28 | clive-h | he's not |
| 19:11.32 | morsing | Yes he is |
| 19:11.36 | boudiccas | but even idiots can be right occasionally |
| 19:11.48 | morsing | W |
| 19:11.57 | clive-h | like me he's a profesional sysadmin |
| 19:11.58 | morsing | What's the bloody point of Gllug? |
| 19:12.16 | boudiccas | to have fun and learn more about linux |
| 19:12.23 | clive-h | can you clarify something> |
| 19:12.28 | morsing | boudiccas: Ahh... At least someone's got the point |
| 19:12.44 | clive-h | are you actually in London? |
| 19:13.01 | morsing | clive-h: No - but how many here are? |
| 19:13.27 | clive-h | do you ever go to gllug meets? |
| 19:13.30 | morsing | Loads |
| 19:13.47 | morsing | Been to 20 or so |
| 19:13.57 | clive-h | so have i |
| 19:14.05 | morsing | Nice - good for you |
| 19:14.46 | clive-h | i suspect asking on a chq |
| 19:14.53 | morsing | chq? |
| 19:15.06 | morsing | ibot chq |
| 19:15.19 | clive-h | i suspect asking on a channel for your distro would be more productive |
| 19:15.41 | morsing | Really? So Gllug is not for helping each other with Linux? |
| 19:16.15 | clive-h | I have no ideas about ubuntu or debian |
| 19:17.04 | clive-h | i run fedora/redhat/centos |
| 19:17.24 | clive-h | generally linux is linux |
| 19:18.00 | clive-h | but network device stuff differs from one distro to another |
| 19:18.41 | morsing | clive-h: Well, believe it or not but you're already helping a little bit |
| 19:19.38 | clive-h | i don't talk here for any reason other than to be helpful or sociable |
| 19:20.01 | morsing | That's good. Other people could learn from you :) |
| 19:21.33 | clive-h | I ran debian on sparc hardware for a bit |
| 19:22.04 | clive-h | but i'm diehard SysV unix |
| 19:22.17 | clive-h | and it annoyed me |
| 19:22.22 | rhowe | Debian on alpha is pissing me off at the moment |
| 19:22.30 | rhowe | I think there's a libc bug which stops threads exiting properly |
| 19:22.57 | clive-h | my alphas run freebsd and nt4 respectively |
| 19:23.10 | clive-h | cos that's different |
| 19:23.16 | hali | linux on an alpha is abuse, VMS! |
| 19:23.33 | rhowe | clive-h: FBSD are dropping alpha support :( |
| 19:23.38 | rhowe | hali: Yeah, I should, shouldn't I? |
| 19:23.39 | clive-h | the multias i have won't run vms |
| 19:23.56 | rhowe | clive-h: Want a PWS500AU? |
| 19:24.03 | clive-h | oooh |
| 19:24.17 | rhowe | clive-h: I've got 3 sitting in the kitchen.. RAM might be a problem though |
| 19:24.23 | rhowe | PC100 ECC SDRAM is a bit of a pain to get |
| 19:24.23 | hali | rhowe: you can get a hobbyist license quite cheap, like $50 for the mediakit |
| 19:24.25 | clive-h | i've no funds else i'd say yes |
| 19:24.36 | rhowe | clive-h: Well I was given them, so you're welcome to have one if you want it |
| 19:24.43 | rhowe | clive-h: I'm in SE1 |
| 19:24.50 | clive-h | oh that would be cool |
| 19:25.09 | rhowe | clive-h: I lugged one from IC.. wouldn't recommend it. They're a bit solidly built |
| 19:25.11 | clive-h | i'm in Crayford (also SE London) |
| 19:25.12 | hali | seems to be quite a lot of pc100 ecc available on fleabay |
| 19:25.35 | rhowe | hali: Yeah, I ought to buy some I guess, but I'm holding out for the Proliant 3000 to be decommissioned at work :) |
| 19:25.54 | clive-h | ex RSM machines |
| 19:25.57 | clive-h | ? |
| 19:25.57 | hali | 3000's should be decomissioned years ago :) |
| 19:26.06 | rhowe | hali: It's the sole mail server :) |
| 19:26.21 | rhowe | hali: And it's starting to die (hopefully not due to bad ram :) |
| 19:26.33 | hali | vmware it :) |
| 19:26.45 | hali | i move everything boring to vmware to get rid of the machines |
| 19:26.49 | clive-h | vms isn't x86 |
| 19:26.54 | rhowe | hali: fibrechannel card is 'special' |
| 19:27.01 | hali | ah |
| 19:27.14 | clive-h | it runs on vax,alpha,itanium |
| 19:27.18 | hali | clive-h: proliant 3000 is x86 |
| 19:27.38 | clive-h | I have vms on linux using vaxvms |
| 19:28.01 | clive-h | i have a hobbyist licence |
| 19:28.36 | clive-h | There's no public vms port for x86 |
| 19:29.56 | clive-h | but vax vms will run using simh on linux |
| 19:33.05 | clive-h | I quite like old operating systems |
| 19:33.35 | clive-h | i run hercules to emulate MVT |
| 19:34.16 | clive-h | alas OpenSCL the VME emulator isn't freely available |
| 19:35.52 | clive-h | rhowe: i'd run VMS on an alpha that could boot it |
| 19:36.23 | clive-h | I've media and hobbyist licences |
| 19:37.27 | rhowe | clive-h: Well you're quite welcome to a PWS500AU |
| 19:38.06 | clive-h | i could pay you with beer tokens |
| 19:38.16 | clive-h | or beer |
| 19:38.24 | rhowe | clive-h: It's free - take it! |
| 19:38.35 | rhowe | clive-h: I was given it by a glluger in the first place |
| 19:38.47 | rhowe | clive-h: But it has no RAM, as I've stolen the RAM for another box :) |
| 19:39.08 | rhowe | clive-h: Still, if I get some off ebay, you can have the 128 I've got in it at the moment |
| 19:39.39 | clive-h | ahhh i could perhaps rob it another box here of pc100 ram |
| 19:42.12 | rhowe | clive-h: Needs to be ECC, apparently |
| 19:42.23 | rhowe | clive-h: Still, I'll probably get some off ebay and use that |
| 19:42.26 | clive-h | Oh |
| 19:42.37 | clive-h | I don't have any ECC |
| 19:42.45 | rhowe | clive-h: So you can have the 2x64Mb sticks which are in youju (the mail server here at home) |
| 19:42.55 | rhowe | So it'll be a working box, albeit with only 128MB RAM |
| 19:43.06 | rhowe | Since I got it with 64, that's not so bad :P |
| 19:43.10 | clive-h | 128Mb should be okay for VMS |
| 19:43.16 | rhowe | It might even have tru64 on it |
| 19:43.19 | rhowe | not sure |
| 19:43.34 | rhowe | As far as I know, it's got SRM, not AlphaBIOS (although the box can have either) |
| 19:43.51 | clive-h | ooh i'd like to play with Tru64 |
| 19:44.44 | clive-h | Though vms would be more fun |
| 19:45.01 | rhowe | Well I'll check it for completeness and so on this week |
| 19:45.08 | rhowe | once I get some more RAM for my mail server |
| 19:45.17 | clive-h | Thank you |
| 19:45.22 | rhowe | so you're free to pick it up later this week |
| 19:45.46 | clive-h | i could taxi it home I guess |
| 19:45.53 | clive-h | i don't drive |
| 19:46.05 | rhowe | Bus from Old Kent Road? |
| 19:46.10 | rhowe | Bricklayers Arms roundabout? |
| 19:46.31 | clive-h | that can't be far from new cross station |
| 19:47.22 | clive-h | it's doable |
| 19:47.27 | rhowe | heh not at all |
| 19:47.34 | rhowe | several buses go straight past |
| 19:47.43 | rhowe | How about the number 21? It stops pretty much outside the flat |
| 19:47.55 | clive-h | oh excellent |
| 19:48.25 | rhowe | I'll warn you - it gets warm |
| 19:48.32 | clive-h | i could do number 21 then 492 |
| 19:48.58 | clive-h | and that stops more or less 50 yards from here |
| 19:49.40 | clive-h | oh i'd just put it in the hallway |
| 19:49.58 | clive-h | and run x |
| 19:50.38 | clive-h | i'm licensed for x |
| 19:57.43 | rhowe | I also put an extra fan in it.. 80mm on the rear grille to help airflow |
| 19:57.57 | rhowe | I don't think they're designed for typical house temperatures really... |
| 19:58.03 | rhowe | But see how you get on |
| 19:58.22 | clive-h | it's very warm now too |
| 20:00.35 | hali | hm, where in central london would one go to buy small nuts and bolts? |
| 20:00.57 | hali | i went to robert dyas, no luck there |
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