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| 05:23.22 | Leeds | so I've been arguing with my bank and phone company here this afternoon... I've developed a new, and apparently effective, method of dealing with customer service people. |
| 05:24.40 | Leeds | in order to pay my phone bill over the phone or online, I need a password to 'protect my information'. I know the amount, I know my phone number, I know my credit card number - I do not want any information at all from them. If they actually had a working phone system, they would know I was calling from the phone whose bill I want to pay, but apparently the phone company is incapable of delivering caller ID to its own call centre |
| 05:25.31 | Leeds | anyway, the new method is to call up, to tell them up front that I don't know my password, and to offer to put the phone down when they ask for it... they go ahead and ask for it anyway, I put the phone down, call back, get a different person in the call centre... |
| 05:27.16 | Leeds | after about 4 tries, I get a person with a brain who is capable of doing more than following the script on her screen and who realises that if a) my password isn't the default, which is my ID number, b) I don't remember changing it and c) I'm obviously a foreigner, I may have signed up with my foreign passport rather than my HK ID card - which would mean my password was the first 6 digits of my passport number |
| 05:28.18 | Leeds | the system accepts the number, the bill is paid, everybody is happy |
| 05:33.35 | Leeds | anyway, conclusion is to be polite, but firm, and that there are intelligent people in call centres, although you may have to work a bit to get through to one |
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| 06:14.17 | Leeds | afternoon myles |
| 06:14.35 | mylesbraithwaite | afternoon |
| 06:33.58 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 06:34.10 | morsing | Leeds: What's up? |
| 06:45.33 | Leeds | the sky! |
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| 09:40.43 | trousers_ | One exam to go :) |
| 10:02.44 | Leeds | haven't watched it yet |
| 10:07.15 | goibhniu | I saw Severance recently too ... also quite good |
| 10:07.58 | goibhniu | I'm most excited about Ten Canoes though ... hope to see that this evening |
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| 10:56.37 | trousers_ | gw280: Are you there? |
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| 11:10.16 | morsing | Nice |
| 11:10.27 | Leeds | just testing my bandwidth, honestly office |
| 11:10.29 | Leeds | officer |
| 11:17.38 | goibhniu | morsing: how was the wine? |
| 11:42.07 | morsing | goibhniu: Through it out and bought a new one. She cancelled anyway... |
| 11:42.13 | morsing | threw |
| 11:42.15 | morsing | ! |
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| 11:49.08 | morsing | sanelson_! |
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| 12:29.11 | niv_one_three | hi all, |
| 12:29.19 | niv_one_three | I am seeking mount help |
| 12:29.22 | niv_one_three | ok |
| 12:30.49 | niv_one_three | I got hdg5 mounted at /mnt/gentoo. I want to have /home/portage linked to /mnt/gentoo/portage. but when I chroot to /mnt/gentoo - portage dir disappears |
| 12:36.22 | wethrin | That's because the link breaks |
| 12:36.49 | gw280 | trousers_: ? |
| 12:36.55 | wethrin | gw! |
| 12:36.57 | niv_one_three | right |
| 12:37.05 | gw280 | wethrin: turns out may balls are dull as fuck |
| 12:37.05 | niv_one_three | hwat can I do to fix this? |
| 12:37.25 | wethrin | Oh - summer balls. What happened? Or didn't happen? |
| 12:37.33 | gw280 | wethrin: it was fucking dull :P |
| 12:37.41 | wethrin | niv_one_three: Mount /home within /mnt/gentoo |
| 12:37.48 | wethrin | And then link /home to /mnt/gentoo/home |
| 12:39.39 | niv_one_three | need I umount /home prior to the chroot, then mount it? |
| 12:40.52 | morsing | wethrin: When are your parents coming over? |
| 12:41.18 | wethrin | morsing: Um. I'll get them to give you a call to arrange a convenient time? |
| 12:41.32 | morsing | 'k |
| 12:41.40 | morsing | trousers_! |
| 12:45.47 | wethrin | morsing: What's happening about accomodation in the Peak District? |
| 12:47.45 | gw280 | mmm, Queen |
| 12:50.22 | boudiccas | Adam Ant |
| 12:52.40 | trousers_ | morsing: Howdy. |
| 12:53.03 | trousers_ | gw280: What kind of things do Cambridge like for an applicant? |
| 12:53.25 | gw280 | trousers_: intelligence, apparently |
| 12:53.30 | trousers_ | gw280: I've decided to apply there when the time comes, and want to be prepared. |
| 12:53.45 | gw280 | to be honest, it's very hard to prepare for a cambridge interview |
| 12:55.05 | trousers_ | gw280: What kinds of things did they inquire about and did you specifically choose your college? |
| 12:55.30 | gw280 | yes, I chose corpus |
| 12:55.35 | gw280 | and they ask you stuff about discrete maths |
| 12:55.40 | gw280 | amongst other stuff. |
| 12:55.48 | gw280 | but it varies from interviewer to interviewer |
| 12:56.09 | trousers_ | Okay, cheers. |
| 12:56.12 | gw280 | also bear in mind that a standard offer from Churchill will involve STEP |
| 12:56.17 | gw280 | and a standard offer from Caius will involve AEA |
| 12:56.48 | gw280 | if you want to pass a cambridge interview for compsci, you need to be on top form for maths |
| 12:56.55 | trousers_ | Would you recommend applying to Corpus Christi or not? |
| 12:57.07 | gw280 | it's a small college |
| 12:57.11 | gw280 | up to you |
| 12:57.12 | trousers_ | I'm considering natural sciences. |
| 12:57.19 | gw280 | meh |
| 12:57.30 | gw280 | don't do physics. |
| 12:57.38 | wethrin | oi |
| 12:57.44 | gw280 | wethrin: PHYSICS IS FUCKING EVIL |
| 12:57.46 | morsing | wethrin: I need to get someone to cover my on-call that weekend. I didn't know I was arranging everything for that weekend? |
| 12:58.08 | gw280 | trousers_: you're doing AS levels aren't you? |
| 12:58.24 | wethrin | morsing: No - you just mentioned the place to stay, so I was wondering if you found out how much it cost |
| 12:58.27 | wethrin | gw280: Rubbish! |
| 12:59.03 | morsing | gw280: Hello |
| 13:00.11 | gw280 | the natural sciences director of studies in corpus HATES me :) |
| 13:00.24 | gw280 | something about me never doing any work and publicly slagging off his subject... :) |
| 13:05.56 | morsing | Nice |
| 13:06.39 | wethrin | morsing: So....will the Peak District still be happening? |
| 13:09.16 | morsing | Yes - if I'm not on-call |
| 13:09.50 | wethrin | Ah. When will you know? |
| 13:09.59 | morsing | Monday |
| 13:10.35 | morsing | God I hate spam mail :( |
| 13:11.48 | wethrin | Okay |
| 13:12.04 | wethrin | If it's happening, then I'll look into booking accomodation |
| 13:19.22 | boudiccas | https://www.redhat.com/promo/fonts/ ... free fonts |
| 13:40.46 | trousers_ | Physics is nice. |
| 13:43.08 | trousers_ | gw280: Not doing AS yet. |
| 13:43.14 | trousers_ | Just finishing off GCSEs, currently. |
| 13:43.18 | trousers_ | But thinking ahead. |
| 13:43.57 | gw280 | trousers_: you can't say "physics is nice" after having done GCSE |
| 13:45.07 | trousers_ | I am perfectly entitled to... |
| 13:45.23 | gw280 | trousers_: GCSE physics isn't physics. |
| 13:45.28 | trousers_ | Considering that education is not exclusively limited to GCSE. |
| 13:45.33 | trousers_ | I am aware. |
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| 16:04.11 | morsing | beer |
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| 18:55.37 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 18:55.43 | catalyst | heyo |
| 18:58.29 | boudiccas | On the night of 12/6/07 we had a power cut, and since that date I've been unable to send email outwards from kmail to, and through, my gmail accounts. Can anyone suggest to me where to look to start getting things sorted such that I can email out. All passwords are saved in kwallet, unless thats become corrupt. |
| 19:03.26 | wethrin | Check your logs |
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| 19:45.35 | morsing | :( |
| 19:46.23 | wethrin | hm? |
| 19:46.43 | morsing | How are you? |
| 19:47.04 | morsing | I don't think I can do the 11th |
| 19:48.32 | wethrin | Oh :( |
| 19:48.36 | wethrin | Another weekend, then? |
| 19:48.57 | morsing | Mmm... Or find someone else to do on-call |
| 19:49.41 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 19:49.43 | wethrin | Can you do that? |
| 19:49.56 | wethrin | I thought you were being a consultant, anyway |
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| 20:18.18 | wethrin | pie! |
| 20:30.55 | Ch0Hag | 3 and a bit. |
| 20:31.31 | boudiccas | 2.7 recurring |
| 20:31.41 | boudiccas | and a pint |
| 20:31.51 | Ch0Hag | Welcome to Earth. What universe do you come from? |
| 20:32.11 | boudiccas | alpha centaurii |
| 20:32.29 | Ch0Hag | That's a star system |
| 20:32.37 | wethrin | a pint, eh? |
| 20:32.40 | Ch0Hag | Anyway - do you have Crossroads of Twilight in digital form? |
| 20:32.43 | Ch0Hag | The library's closed. |
| 20:32.59 | boudiccas | who is the author? |
| 20:33.05 | Ch0Hag | Robert Jordan. |
| 20:33.13 | boudiccas | maybe, let me check |
| 20:35.01 | boudiccas | is it part of the wheel of time series? |
| 20:35.05 | Ch0Hag | Da. |
| 20:35.31 | boudiccas | is it part of the wheel of time series? |
| 20:35.37 | Ch0Hag | Da as in Yes. |
| 20:36.09 | boudiccas | number 10, as a txt file. yes i do have it |
| 20:36.24 | Ch0Hag | Interestingly enough I appear to have just found a site with the series divided into HTML by chapter. |
| 20:36.31 | boudiccas | do you want me to dcc it to you? |
| 20:36.39 | Ch0Hag | If you wouldn't mind. |
| 20:38.19 | Ch0Hag | Hmm how does DCC work in irssi... |
| 20:38.29 | wethrin | /dcc help |
| 20:38.35 | boudiccas | if i can't get through the firewall with it, have you got an email address i can send it too. its only 1.44mb |
| 20:38.57 | boudiccas | its sitting here waiting for you to accept the send |
| 20:39.09 | wethrin | /dcc accept |
| 20:39.31 | Ch0Hag | Yeah I tried that. |
| 20:39.49 | Ch0Hag | Oh it could be the firewall actually. |
| 20:40.14 | boudiccas | yours or mine? or both? :) |
| 20:40.58 | boudiccas | dcc timed out. what email would you like me to send it to? |
| 20:41.12 | Ch0Hag | matthew.king@monnsta.net |
| 20:41.33 | Ch0Hag | I think I've set my firewall to drop most incoming connections. |
| 20:42.27 | wethrin | DCC also doesn't like NAT |
| 20:42.55 | Ch0Hag | Da, but I don't NAT> |
| 20:42.57 | Ch0Hag | . |
| 20:43.14 | wethrin | Firewall, then |
| 20:44.52 | boudiccas | Ch0Hag; done, should be sitting in your mail box pretty soon. can you let me know if and when you've got it please |
| 20:45.33 | Ch0Hag | Cheers. |
| 20:45.48 | Ch0Hag | Might take a while, actually, I've got greylisting enabled. |
| 20:46.36 | boudiccas | its just sent as a straight txt file, i didn't think about tarring it up until i'd just finished sending it |
| 20:48.13 | Ch0Hag | That's fine. |
| 20:48.31 | Ch0Hag | I'm surprised anyone had it. |
| 20:49.02 | Ch0Hag | yeah you've been greylisted. |
| 20:49.07 | boudiccas | i used to serve a lot of books in the #bookz channel over on undernet, so I've still got loads of digitised books |
| 20:49.16 | Ch0Hag | Nifty. |
| 20:49.24 | Ch0Hag | :) |
| 20:49.29 | boudiccas | np :) |
| 20:49.40 | Ch0Hag | I haven't been on undernet in aeons. |
| 20:49.53 | Ch0Hag | In fact ... *checks age* ... nearly a decade. |
| 20:50.05 | boudiccas | i run an eggdrop bot in some channels there, so i'm on there all the time |
| 20:50.35 | boudiccas | Ch0Hag; you don't run ubuntu do you? |
| 20:50.44 | Ch0Hag | Not personally. |
| 20:50.57 | Ch0Hag | Clients and family members do though. |
| 20:51.22 | boudiccas | ah, i just wanted to ask a ubuntu question. like ... 'how do you install kde?' |
| 20:51.39 | Ch0Hag | apt-get install kde |
| 20:52.00 | boudiccas | and that will pull down the stable version from the repos will it? |
| 20:52.08 | Ch0Hag | As far as I'm aware. |
| 20:52.14 | boudiccas | right ty |
| 20:52.27 | Ch0Hag | I don't use KDE but that's what it was a few years ago when I had a flutter. |
| 20:53.49 | clive-h | I use Gnome or XFCE |
| 20:54.19 | Ch0Hag | It's all about FVWM. |
| 20:54.23 | wethrin | windowmaker! |
| 20:54.24 | clive-h | but I always install KDE on desktops or laptops |
| 20:54.29 | wethrin | or maybe afterstep! |
| 20:54.39 | boudiccas | Ch0Hag; will it provide a login screen in place of its usual log straight into gnome? |
| 20:55.45 | Ch0Hag | I don't know. |
| 20:56.08 | Ch0Hag | You can't run gdm and kdm, you'll have to choose, but either dm can start either desktop. |
| 20:56.25 | boudiccas | k, thanks, i'll ask in #ubuntu then |
| 20:56.33 | Ch0Hag | You either need to reconfigure gdm not to log in automatically or replace it with kdm. |
| 20:57.29 | boudiccas | i think that i'll let my friend ask in #ubuntu that way she'll learn and be able to go to the places that they say :) |
| 20:57.41 | boudiccas | thanks anyway |
| 21:01.18 | Ch0Hag | Got that book. |
| 21:01.20 | Ch0Hag | Cheers. |
| 21:02.24 | boudiccas | Ch0Hag; you're welcome. let me know if you want any other books, i've got over 2000 of them :) |
| 21:03.04 | Ch0Hag | I have ... 47. |
| 21:03.24 | Ch0Hag | 48. |
| 21:05.02 | boudiccas | thats just the digitalised versions. don't know how many dead tree versions i've got, certainly over a hundred i think |
| 21:05.49 | Ch0Hag | Oh that's a whole other story. I'm just listing digital ones. |
| 21:06.01 | Ch0Hag | Considering that the library is all of 30 seconds walk away, I have rather a lot. |
| 21:06.05 | boudiccas | I read recipes the same way I read science fiction. I get to the end and think, "Well, that's not going to happen." |
| 21:06.05 | Ch0Hag | During the day at least. |
| 21:06.30 | clive-h | I like cooking |
| 21:06.38 | boudiccas | me too :) |
| 21:06.50 | clive-h | I still ant to go to the fat duck at bray |
| 21:06.54 | clive-h | want |
| 21:06.54 | Ch0Hag | Cooking is OK. Reciped aren't. |
| 21:07.16 | Ch0Hag | At best I look at the ingredients and do what I feel from there. |
| 21:07.17 | clive-h | Heston does very interesting food |
| 21:07.27 | Ch0Hag | Usually it involved a frying pan or a wok. |
| 21:07.59 | clive-h | I like roasted food |
| 21:08.12 | clive-h | and it's relatively healthy |
| 21:08.15 | Ch0Hag | Aye. Too much effort to do regularly though. |
| 21:08.55 | clive-h | I'm tempted to do crispy duck tomorrow |
| 21:09.31 | Ch0Hag | Also, I have a major problem making food. |
| 21:09.48 | Ch0Hag | There are too many people here and none make decent food themselves. |
| 21:09.53 | clive-h | with roast potatoes |
| 21:09.55 | Ch0Hag | Well - except my mother when she's on form. |
| 21:10.00 | clive-h | and roast onions |
| 21:10.04 | clive-h | and garlic |
| 21:12.06 | clive-h | Apologies to any veggie or vegan people |
| 21:12.11 | Ch0Hag | There's no point without stuffing and yorkshire pudding. |
| 21:12.16 | Ch0Hag | Oh and gravy. |
| 21:12.29 | clive-h | I don't do gravy |
| 21:12.35 | Ch0Hag | It's a duck. It should swim. |
| 21:12.43 | clive-h | But i like stuffing |
| 21:12.53 | clive-h | and yorkshire puds |
| 21:14.04 | clive-h | yorkshire puds need mint sauce |
| 21:59.02 | morsing | Beer |
| 22:02.10 | wethrin | no, lamb needs mint sauce |
| 22:37.46 | z00dax | unless its a lamb curry! |
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| 23:37.30 | wethrin | mint curry? |
| 23:46.41 | clive-h | That could wok |
| 23:46.44 | clive-h | work |
| 23:54.18 | gw280 | wethrin: boo |