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08:38.13goibhniubilarh_: that's cool ... no more boring days on irc then?
08:38.25bilarh_remains to be seen :-)
08:38.36goibhniuanything on the horizon?
08:38.37bilarh_i might spend more time on IRC
08:38.45goibhniunice one
08:39.09bilarh_i know, it sounds at first appearance that that is not possible, but if i don't find a definite other job it may yet happen :-)
08:56.39antiphaseYou could always try prostitution. Outwardly similar to work for corporates.
08:56.56bilarh_yeah i know :(
08:57.04bilarh_i wish i was a lumberjack :(
08:57.41cpufreakwhy did you resign if you don't havea job to go to?
08:57.51bilarh_nah i do, i just hope it works out :-)
08:58.11cpufreakselling drugs to school kids is not a job
08:58.25bilarh_don't knock it, it's a living :)
09:00.15cpufreakheh
09:02.09antiphaseYellow bentines
09:02.26cpufreakcake
09:03.25bilarh_i haven't seen cake around for a while... that scene went dead after those celebrities told everyone how bad it was :-)
09:03.52cpufreak10:06 -!- cake [cake@home.cake.me.uk] has joined #mgs
09:04.48bilarh_oh i thought you was talking about the sketch type thingy from a couple of years ago :-)
09:06.08cpufreakI was
09:08.31bilarh_oh right
09:08.44bilarh_what program was it again?
09:09.52cpufreakbrasseye
09:10.02bilarh_cheers
09:10.27cpufreakhttp://badger.ing.me.uk/brasseye/Brass-Eye---Drugs.wmv
09:10.43antiphaseIt's a made-up drug!
09:11.04bilarh_aah, bloody linux crap
09:11.12bilarh_can't even play a simple windows media file *grrr*
09:11.25cpufreakapt-get install vlc
09:11.50bilarh_ty
09:12.06bilarh_s/linux crap/bilarh idiot/ ;-)
09:18.23SlayerXPactually "aptitude install vlc"
09:18.41cpufreakaptitude is for people who shave their legs.
09:19.55bilarh_shaving sucks
09:20.01bilarh_it goes all stubbly immediately
09:20.14bilarh_er... i mean...
09:49.22wethrinrar
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10:01.24Ch0HagShould I get this client a 4th drive as a hot-spare or is 2 with parity enough?
10:02.22antiphaseToss a coin.
10:02.38antiphaseGet them some backups, it's far more worthwhile
10:04.26Ch0HagSelling them backups (well - better backups) is stage two.
10:05.52antiphaseHave you told them you don't know anything and get all your technical advice on IRC? ;)
10:05.53wethrinDepends how likely you think more drives are to fail :)
10:06.00cpufreakjust outsource your stuff to antiphase.
10:06.07Ch0HagWell they already have some crappy dat-3 or something from the previous incumbent.
10:06.20cpufreakhe runs a 50TB/month or so backup platform
10:06.31cpufreakalong with most of an ISP
10:06.35Ch0HagWhen I give the invoice for installing these drives I can tell them their backup system is insufficient.
10:06.47cpufreakwii Ch0Hag
10:06.49cpufreakdoh
10:06.50wethrinMm....DAT
10:06.56wethrinWrite-only media
10:07.11cpufreakI don't know why people still use DAT
10:07.20wethrinOkay, it's not that bad, but it has a tendency of being a little iffy at times
10:07.23cpufreakLTO is a far better technology
10:07.29wethrincpufreak: It's still cheap
10:07.32cpufreakLTO is cheaper
10:07.39cpufreakwell the drives cost slightly more
10:07.42wethrinIs LTO the new DLT, OAIC?
10:07.43cpufreakbut the tapes are far cheaper
10:10.42antiphaseEverything's cheap on eBay
10:10.51cpufreakLTO isn't new
10:11.02cpufreakits onto the 4th revision
10:11.05cpufreakbut its an open standard
10:19.13Ch0HagPeople use DAT because it's common.
10:21.35cpufreakit was common 5 years ago, its antique now.
10:21.46cpufreakLTO is more common
10:22.00wethrinIs LTO the current tape-du-jour?
10:23.48cpufreakuh huh
10:29.46haliindeed
10:30.53halior t10000 if you have plenty of dosh
10:30.58wethrinI don't
10:31.18antiphaseI prefer the Cyberdyne Systems 101
10:31.28halit10000 drives go for like 8k a pop
10:31.32wethrinow
10:31.53halibut i think lto-4 is almost as quick and reliable
10:32.00hali120meg/sec or something
10:33.33antiphaseThat's got to be Fibrechannel territory
10:34.14bilarh_you could use that as a hard drive :D
10:34.24bilarh_bit crap access time, i suppse :)
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10:47.06haliantiphase: it is, i've only seen them in high end storagetek silos
10:47.12halilike the awsome sl8500
10:47.15halinow thats tape
10:49.59wethrin~change 1 GBP to USD
10:50.06bilarh_wethrin: broken
10:50.11wethrinstill?
10:50.28wethrinI'll have to prod Tim when he appears on IRC
10:50.44bilarh_maybe xe have changed their web site or something
10:53.39Ch0HagThere's good news for PlusNet, which after a nightmarish run of technical glitches recovered to top the poll by satisfying 78 per cent of its customers.
10:53.52Ch0HagA quarter of one's customers are unhappy yet one is still top dog.
10:54.10Ch0HagThat doesn't read well.
10:54.15antiphaseI'm amazed they have any customers
10:54.33Ch0HagNo, it reads fine. It doesn't ..... something well.
10:56.11wethrinPresumably size matters?
10:56.31wethrinI suspect a larger percentage are happy with, say, UKFSN or Blackcat. But they just don't have that many customers
10:57.08antiphaseNeither are they northern monkeys
10:57.27Ch0HagYeah that doesn't help anybody.
10:57.33wethrinBCN is part Irish
10:59.53Ch0HagOh apparently Gates isn't the world's richest man any more.
11:00.07Ch0Hag(I thought it wus the Sultan of Brunei anyway)
11:00.14Ch0HagBrunai?
11:00.19wethrinGates was for a time
11:00.23wethrinBut that was because of the shares he owns
11:00.34wethrinwhich isn't 'real' wealth anyway
11:00.56bilarh_wethrin: well, of course it is... it can be easily liquidated, no?
11:01.08bilarh_or what would you classify as real wealth?
11:01.10bilarh_camels?
11:01.26wethrinMoney that's sat in a bank account
11:01.36wethrinShares can fairly easily become devalued
11:01.45Ch0HagReal wealth is real things, not a number in a computer.
11:02.03Ch0HagMoney in a bank is tenuous at best.
11:02.20Ch0HagShares and the like are likely even less.
11:02.43bilarh_wethrin: heh, money in a bank... inflation :P
11:03.32bilarh_if someone has a million pounds worth of shares, then he's got a million pounds worth of wealth imo
11:03.41bilarh_yes, the value may go up or down, but so does the value of all other things
11:03.52wethrinWhich he can't just pull out and spend like you can do with money in a bank account
11:06.18bilarh_yes he can, he can sell the shares and use the proceeds to buy things
11:06.58bilarh_are you saying that if you have 1 million pounds in your bank account you are wealthy, but if you wisely invest them somewhere and thus only have 10000 in your bank account, you are less wealthy?
11:10.10wethringuess not...
11:10.54bilarh_i see where you're coming from, sort of, as the liquidity of cash is a lot higher and generally the value fluctuates less, but still
11:15.23Ch0HagOh bugger.
11:15.32Ch0HagI've bought somebody a new motherboard and case but the case is too small.
11:17.27wethrinOops
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11:57.59rhowedick_turpin: Fixing them up and selling them on as working?
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11:58.35Blaptosalve romanis
12:00.04dick_turpinrhowe: Working, Dell c600 1ghz, 256mb, 20gb xp pro, carry case. Knocked em out at £350 a pop cost me £150 each :-)
12:00.17rhoweNot bad :)
12:00.49dick_turpinrhowe: Its a regular order
12:00.56dick_turpinBlapto: salve
12:01.04rhowedick_turpin: Every week? :)
12:01.27dick_turpinrhowe: I wish, every two-three months
12:01.47rhoweNot much RAM for XP
12:02.42rhoweExtra 256M is £25 from crucial though.. quite pricey
12:03.06dick_turpinrhowe: The bugger is finding the stock, they don't need much ram its used for connecting to sensors and collecting the data. I used to supply them IBM 600e PII machines
12:21.41SlayerXPi sold 2 256Mb sticks on ebay for 2 quid each earlier this week
12:22.50dick_turpinSlayerXP: Interesting I've just bought some 256 in for £16 each
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12:34.50BlaptoAnd I'm back, I think
12:35.47dick_turpinBlapto: You never sent a postcard :-(
12:40.36boudiccasits probably still in the post and will arrive in a couple of days time
12:40.48boudiccasdick_turpin!
12:44.34dick_turpinboudiccas: I thought it was coming by UPS?
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12:45.10Blaptwoffs
12:46.06dick_turpinboudiccas: See what you've done, Blapto's had to change his now
12:46.31boudiccasbut, we had two blapto's!
12:46.51blaptoI'm Blapto again
12:47.02blaptoI think my IRC client may be crap.
12:47.02boudiccastwasn't my fault!
12:47.12boudiccasuse xchat
12:47.25dick_turpinboudiccas: Everything is your fault :-P
12:47.44blaptoAhh, mIRC is OK normally, I think I'm just lashing out at society in general
12:47.45boudiccasi'm innocent until proven guilty, and that'll be never
12:48.09boudiccasafter all, i'm female, and therefore i'm -always- right
12:48.15blaptoThe woman has a point.
12:48.30blaptoI've never really understood what girls do when they argue
12:48.36boudiccaswin
12:48.51blaptoWhen men argue with women, it's basically a given that the woman wins, etc.
12:49.09blaptoMen vs men, people just get drunk and forget about it, or pretend to forget about it but hold a grudge forever.
12:49.09boudiccasyes, that is the convention and the reality
12:49.25dick_turpinblapto: lol
12:50.07blaptoDrinking is typically involved though.  I knocked a mate out cold last week in a bar fighting over something, and we're best mates again now...
12:50.30bilarh_blapto: or so you think... :-)
12:50.42dick_turpinblapto: "He's behind you"
12:50.48blaptoWell, he might want to kill me in my sleep now, but all seems well.
12:51.01blaptoI heard the gllug server exploded?
12:51.32bilarh_someone left it outside hammersmith tube station and the police performed a controlled explosion
12:53.26boudiccasits not down =again= is it?
12:54.11dick_turpinboudiccas: It must be middle aged, its down more than up ;-)
12:54.32boudiccasit needs some viagra or cialis
12:54.36blaptodick_turpin, I'd hate to actually have the opposite of that...  It could get tedious.
12:54.49blaptoI've got some e-mails I could forward...  No, I'm talking about a few months ago, not right now.
12:55.02boudiccasah, thats all right then
12:55.05dick_turpinblapto: I'm not allowed too I cant afford the blood loss ;-)
13:17.44antiphaseWow, an actual Claranet user out in the wild
13:18.52cpufreakdying breed
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14:16.43mumperArternoon, peeps! :)
14:16.50wethrinarr!
14:17.14mumperIt's wet out there ...
14:18.19wethrinNo it's not
14:18.39bilarh_it was quite wet earlier
14:19.26mumperAh - where? It is 'ere! Wet, like :-P
14:19.54wethrin'ere be up in the frozen north
14:20.00mumperBlurry 'ell - the conversations you get on GLLUG!
14:20.29mumperWhere's Norf?, anyway?
14:20.34wethrinDurham
14:20.45wethrinYou can't get much further north without hitting Newcastle
14:20.45bilarh_i hate pirates
14:20.59wethrinAnd if you hit newcastle, you normally get hit back
14:21.31mumpero. Had a composing room overseer once - from Durham - called Bill Bailey. don't know if he went home.
14:22.16mumperWhy does wethrin want to hit Newcastle?
14:22.37wethrinBill Bailey's in Newcastle in a few months
14:22.43wethrinI don't want to hit Newcastle
14:23.06mumperI see -, scaredy-cat! But yeah, they're 'ard!
14:23.32wethrinTime to do some work!
14:23.43boudiccasits sort of sunny here
14:25.21mumperYeah - well I started this conversation because I wanted to ask you clever peeps how does one increase the typesize of the messages on this board - they're showing about 8 point when i could really do with 12! Any suggestions?
14:26.59mumperAnd it's sunny here now ...
14:33.01goibhniumumper!
14:33.27goibhniudo you roll with firefox or something more exotic?
14:34.42dick_turpinDon't answer him mumper, he'll only disappear on you
14:36.28goibhniuhoi dick_turpin ... is your arch wobblin nu-stylee yet?
14:37.38goibhniueveryone else here seems to be on ratpoison and it's bad for one's health to contain so much excitement for so long :(
14:38.19dick_turpingoibhniu: Hm, I dunno whats happening on that score the forum is bleating on about compiz-fusion so I reckon they've dropped pure Beryl
14:38.52goibhniumumper: it's ctrl and +if it's firefox
14:39.38goibhniudick_turpin: nice one, but they haven't dropped an upgrade on you yet?
14:39.49mumperHi - yeah, but it's running al on its own - gaim, that its.
14:40.31goibhniudick_turpin: you'll be delighted to know that I can no-longer resume into compiz after hibernation ... dunno why, but it sucks
14:42.09dick_turpingoibhniu: No not yet, thats the one downside of Arch you cant (Well you can actually) go adding additional repo's such as dag ect so I'm a bit constrained by the 'official' route
14:42.50mumpergoibhniu: to answer the question - I have epiphany running (quite happily) - evolution doing the messagy stuff. it's just an eyesight thing, I can't read the messages very well ...
14:43.19bilarh_oh man, stupid centos
14:43.30bilarh_trying to netboot
14:43.57bilarh_boots up fine, nfs mounts a directory and then it says "can't find a centos installation in that directory"
14:43.57goibhniumumper: for gaim  I think you need to change your font settings for gnome in general?
14:43.58mumpergoibhniuI mean, to be clear, the chat messages in gaim ...
14:44.07bilarh_and then if i try to mount it again, it says it can't mount the directory from the server
14:44.22bilarh_but my kickstart server's logs says it's authenticated the mount request
14:44.24bilarh_fucking thing
14:44.25goibhniumumper: system/prefs/fonts or somefink
14:44.49antiphaseAuthentication and file permissions weren't the same thing last time I looked
14:44.57mumpergoibhnui: yep, the gnome re-sizing works on all bar the actuall chats!
14:45.18goibhniudick_turpin: that sounds fair enough ... I doubt it's considered stable on any distro yet
14:47.35bilarh_antiphase: umm... and? :P
14:47.59antiphaseCheck your export options
14:48.00goibhniumumper: hmm ... that's no fun is it!
14:48.24bilarh_they're:  /my/dir   *(ro,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check)
14:48.36mumpergoibhniu: well the cat's come in for a scratch, dinnersmells waft up the stairs and I've enjoyed seeing the chat again. I'll clean my glasses again, for now ... thanks for trying. :)
14:48.45dick_turpingoibhniu: I have been getting a new feature tho' I call it the Black Screen of Death
14:49.18antiphaseAnd it mounts normally from another place?
14:50.29bilarh_i don't think my centos distribution is complete
14:51.12dick_turpinbilarh_: Stop blubbering, we're all ard here
14:52.01bilarh_dick_turnip: it was a figure of speech, i'm not really blubbering
14:52.14bilarh_although some might argue my belly is a bit blubbery
14:52.57dick_turpinbilarh_: You Buddha then?
14:56.30goibhniudick_turpin: that doesn't sound healthy (the BSoD)
14:58.22dick_turpingoibhniu: Ah but unlike MS this only affects specific things like menu's or new tabs or new apps lots of fun really. Of course if you close everything (Not shutdown) and start again everything is fine
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15:00.07gregjfrom #rockbox:
15:00.07gregj16:59 < pondlife> GLLUG - Sounds like a drinking club...
15:00.09gregj:d
15:00.10Crash91god...gllug sounds like a drinking club
15:00.16Crash91lol gregj
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15:01.50antiphaseOK
15:02.47gregjI told them - you guys would be happy to hear that "_
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15:31.58goibhniudick_turpin: ah yeah ... I get that from time to time too ... it's a problem with the nvidia driver I think
15:32.47dick_turpingoibhniu: Yeah, I think Ive got the internal WIFI working pity I've nothing to connect to
15:34.00boudiccasconnect to the blokes with the 999 taxis, i'm sure they'd appreciate it
15:36.13dick_turpinboudiccas: funny you should say that two of my neighbours must have it as my card picked up the BT one and Blueyonder
15:36.45boudiccasdoes that mean that they've got unsecured networks then?
15:38.08dick_turpinboudiccas: I'm new to wifi but they had 'managed' ones? I was using kwifi to scan, my train of thought was if kwifi can scan then the card must be working?
15:40.45goibhniudick_turpin: it should tell you if they're encrypted or not ... if it's any good
15:41.35goibhniuwifi-radar ain't bad ... but I'm dead happy with the gnome network manager of late
15:41.52dick_turpingoibhniu: The only GUI tool I've got is kwifi everything else has to be done via vi or vim or emacs
15:46.21boudiccasoooh emacs :)
15:47.02dick_turpingoibhniu: Just had a quick look in the repo :-( only madwifi which I have installed, looks like I've got more reading to do
15:50.10dick_turpinboudiccas: I don't use emacs (Only cos I don't know how) I use vi
15:50.35wethrinmm....emacs
15:51.32boudiccas:(
15:51.51gw280wethrin: you SUCK
15:51.51goibhniudick_turpin: I'm sure kwifi will do the job fine ... this is wifi-radar though: http://wifi-radar.systemimager.org/
15:51.54gw280wethrin: VIM IS CLEARLY THE BEST
15:52.18wethrinemacs 4EVA!
15:52.24boudiccasrubbish george
15:52.36wethrinvi is for people who can't handle key chording
15:53.37gw280vim is clearly better than emacs
15:53.55boudiccasrubbish george
15:54.03wethrinWhat's easier than C-f for compiling your LaTeX document?
15:54.09wethrinAnd C-v for viewing it?
15:55.53dick_turpinwethrin: I want my money back, its broken
15:56.12boudiccasrubbish george
15:56.28gw280boudiccas: you're an idiot.
15:56.47bilarh_gw280: you the idiot!
15:57.09dick_turpingoibhniu: Please don't tell me I have to compile it
15:57.13gw280bilarh_: sod off
15:57.23bilarh_oooh, fight talk
15:57.51boudiccasrubbish george
15:57.59gw280boudiccas: bugger off
15:58.12boudiccasgeorge, rubbish
15:58.13wethringw280: Play nice!
15:58.22gw280wethrin: no
15:58.34boudiccasgeorge, i went to cambridge in 1962
15:58.35dick_turpinIts amazing how "Which editor do you use?" can evoke such hostility the times I've seen that on lists and forums
15:59.01wethrindick_turpin: Simple - people don't want to use the best tool for the job, for silly reasons
15:59.03bilarh_dick_turpin: it's because we are insecure nerds :(
15:59.14bilarh_except for me and wethrin who use emacs
15:59.29boudiccasbilarh_; as do i
15:59.33bilarh_what i meant to say was "it's because vi users are insecure nerds"
15:59.34wethrinI sometimes use ed
15:59.35antiphaseEmacs is OK if you only use one machine all day
15:59.36bilarh_and boudiccas
15:59.39wethrinBut only for scripting
15:59.47wethrinantiphase: Such as your main workstation?
15:59.48dick_turpinwethrin: I only know how top use vi and I'm not ashamed to say that
15:59.54bilarh_yeah editing config files in emacs is way overkill
16:00.06wethrinindeed
16:00.14antiphaseI find it easier to just know how to use one editor that's on all 250 of the machines I can log into
16:00.20bilarh_plus it doesn't look quite that pretty in console mode anyway :-)
16:00.21wethrined?
16:00.29antiphaseI'm sure I'd be an emacs weenie if I was a developer though
16:02.18bilarh_hmm.. i think you've hit the nail on the head there
16:03.11dick_turpingoibhniu: Oi I've only got another 25 mins don't go waltzing off on me
16:03.35goibhniudick_turpin: I agree, you need them both
16:03.44boudiccas25 minutes to tulsa
16:04.05dick_turpingoibhniu: Both?
16:05.11dick_turpinboudiccas: Following on from yesterday why have you got a puppy up your jumper ;-)
16:05.40boudiccasi have no puppy ... anywhere
16:06.11dick_turpinboudiccas: You must have his nose keeps poking through. Ta Da!
16:06.34boudiccashrrm
16:06.42dick_turpin:-)
16:06.48boudiccas:-(
16:06.57dick_turpin:-*
16:07.23boudiccas;)
16:07.33dick_turpino:-)
16:07.58boudiccasits 'The Saint' written by Leslie Charteris and starring Roger Moore
16:09.03dick_turpin8-)
16:09.27boudiccasstop it, you'll go cross eyed if the wind chages
16:09.32boudiccas*chnages
16:09.36boudiccas*changes
16:10.39dick_turpinboudiccas: Now your singing my song Ch, ch changes, turn and face the strain Changes
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16:16.35dick_turpingoibhniu: wifi-radar is available, hooray! will install it when I get home then download loads of porn on my neighbours wireless broad band
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18:40.23morsingcatalyst!
18:40.31catalysthey
18:40.41morsingcatalyst: How are you?
18:40.51catalystI'm pretty good
18:41.32goibhniuhow's twosheds?
18:42.07morsinggoibhniu: He sounded happy to hear from me :)  No questions asked, no mention of Carly, just talked :)
18:43.27morsinggoibhniu: How are you?
18:43.50goibhniuthat's good
18:43.59goibhniuI'm ok
18:44.04wethrinmorsing!
18:44.14morsingwethrin: :)
18:44.35wethrinI look forward to Derbyshire!
18:44.48wethrinAnd now I go back to making food
18:44.50wethrinlater!
18:45.04morsingwethrin: No post yet?
18:47.32morsingsabinef72!!!
18:50.07morsingsabinef72?
18:50.31sabinef72hello
18:50.33sabinef72hi morsing
18:50.38morsing:)
18:50.55sabinef72I'm just back from one week in my parents' home
18:51.24morsingNice :)  Where's that?
18:51.47sabinef72Do you know where is Angouleme ?
18:57.03morsingNope :)
19:01.25sabinef72it's south-east
19:01.31sabinef72south-west sorry
19:01.39sabinef722 h 30 by train from Paris
19:04.24morsingJust checked on Google :)
19:24.46morsingBeer
19:24.49morsingNERF
19:44.51morsingibot nerfs
20:12.25morsingBeer
20:12.58morsingHello?
21:15.13z00daxhi
21:15.50antiphasespammers++  # Subject: psychotic salad dressing
21:27.07rhowehaha
21:57.55wethrinmorsing: post?

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