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| 04:17.16 | morsing | z00dax_delhi! |
| 04:17.23 | morsing | z00dax_delhi: Good journey? |
| 04:17.26 | morsing | kjalil! |
| 04:17.56 | morsing | 'morning LeedsHK |
| 04:39.26 | morsing | LeedsHK? |
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| 10:10.28 | kjalil | morning everyone! |
| 10:10.43 | clive-h | Morning |
| 10:10.54 | kjalil | hey clive-h! |
| 10:11.23 | kjalil | hows things, been a long time |
| 10:11.40 | clive-h | I'm around on here a fair bit |
| 10:11.46 | clive-h | Not bad, yourself? |
| 10:12.23 | kjalil | so-so, trying to change jobs, not sure how to do it |
| 10:12.49 | clive-h | I'm trying to find a new contract or a perm job |
| 10:13.21 | kjalil | can i ask you an employment question, is it a bad idea to quit a current job, or is it always better to find another job first? |
| 10:14.08 | clive-h | it's better to find a new one first |
| 10:14.31 | kjalil | why is that? my references won't be bad, just wondering why |
| 10:14.37 | clive-h | But I've been contracting as of late and wanted time out |
| 10:14.54 | clive-h | I wouldn't worry necessarily |
| 10:15.45 | kjalil | i'm trying to change from java dev to sysadmin role you see, so I'm thinking to quit, relearn some sysadmin stuff and *then* apply for them |
| 10:16.07 | kjalil | i'm finding it hard to find time to relearn the stuff otherwise |
| 10:16.23 | clive-h | That might be a good move then if your sysadmin skills aren't current |
| 10:17.02 | kjalil | yeah, i guess i should mostly brush up on bash-scripting and stuff? what else would be defined as 'current'? |
| 10:17.38 | clive-h | apache? DNS? Mail? TCP/IP? Databases? |
| 10:18.16 | kjalil | ok, my tcpip is probably ok, need to brush up on others |
| 10:18.38 | clive-h | It depends a bit really on the exact role |
| 10:19.30 | kjalil | as an alternative, i've been doing mostly sysadmin stuff in my current 'java' role for a month! is it bad to ask my boss if I can change roles? i know it depends on our relationship and stuff ... |
| 10:19.43 | clive-h | But I guess in the last 20 years everything I've done has involved what has been called System manager/system programmer/system administrator stuff |
| 10:20.31 | kjalil | great, i would like to do similar things |
| 10:21.04 | kjalil | i'm quite fed up of doing java |
| 10:21.39 | clive-h | I started in IT as an Analyst/Programmer |
| 10:22.16 | kjalil | 20 years ago? |
| 10:23.28 | clive-h | More like 23 , I did programming for about 2.5 years before moving to Sysadmin |
| 10:24.12 | kjalil | did you move within an existing job from programming to sysadmin? |
| 10:27.20 | clive-h | Yeah same company |
| 10:32.53 | kjalil | looking back, that was not a bad move? i suppose not, i'm trying to figure out how to approach my boss about it |
| 10:33.21 | kjalil | i'm sorry for so many questions, i'm not very good at this stuff :-) |
| 10:34.43 | clive-h | Well I enjoy sysadmin |
| 10:34.53 | clive-h | Mind you I liked programming too |
| 10:34.53 | rhowe | clive-h: Lemme know if/when you want this alpha! |
| 10:35.13 | clive-h | rhowe: I do still want it please |
| 10:35.26 | rhowe | clive-h: OK then collect it sometime (but not today unless it's this evening) |
| 10:35.29 | clive-h | I'll arrange to come pick it up this week |
| 10:38.40 | kjalil | sigh |
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| 13:26.20 | JAV | hi |
| 13:26.35 | boudiccas | lo |
| 13:29.21 | boudiccas | very quiet todat |
| 13:29.43 | boudiccas | today |
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| 13:57.57 | Ch0Hag | What's Linux like for modem's binary blobs these days? |
| 13:58.35 | Ch0Hag | Because I have at least 4 which are otherwise useless. |
| 14:28.16 | antiphase | Do people still use modems? |
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| 14:58.04 | LeedsHK | quite a good day at the beach, really :-) |
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| 15:18.46 | clive-h | I think I'm beginning to hate yum |
| 15:21.41 | zx80user | gave up on that a long time ago, apt was a revelation when I abandoned Fedora for Ubuntu |
| 15:22.46 | clive-h | Actually I quite like yum but installing mono made yum break |
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| 16:49.39 | Ch0Hag | How do I break into a collection of remote Ubuntu machines which I forgot to install ssh on? |
| 16:50.22 | clive-h | heh |
| 16:50.31 | Ch0Hag | And what kind of freaky OS doesn't install ssh server by default? |
| 16:50.38 | clive-h | Do they run telnetd? |
| 16:51.02 | Ch0Hag | I think they're all about trying to stop you from being able to break into them :/ |
| 16:51.11 | clive-h | Yeah |
| 16:51.36 | clive-h | But I have to say I'd have tested gaining access to em before I put em in the DC |
| 16:51.45 | Ch0Hag | I could try adding all the users to the sudo group and then install it from their bashrc |
| 16:51.55 | Ch0Hag | But I'll still have to wait until tomorrow morning. |
| 16:52.08 | Ch0Hag | Oh I can log into the server. |
| 16:52.37 | Ch0Hag | And why ssh to a machine when I can just walk over to it? |
| 16:52.48 | clive-h | But not the remote boxes? |
| 16:53.01 | Ch0Hag | The irritating thing is I wrote up a client-start script to install the various bits each machine would need, but for some reason didn't add openssh-server to the list of packages. |
| 16:53.36 | clive-h | anything open according to nmap? |
| 16:54.36 | Ch0Hag | I don't believe so. |
| 16:54.43 | Ch0Hag | Got to open the firewall to check... |
| 16:55.00 | Ch0Hag | heh - portmap and cups |
| 16:55.21 | Ch0Hag | Oh and something on 60180 - probably an rpcd. |
| 16:55.35 | clive-h | You might be able to exploit one of those I guess |
| 16:57.41 | clive-h | Last cluster of servers I built I had IPMI providing serial over lan out of band connectivity |
| 16:57.56 | Ch0Hag | This is all workstations. |
| 16:58.09 | Ch0Hag | Oh well I think I'll just do the bashrc trick. |
| 16:58.21 | Ch0Hag | They shouldn't notice that they've got admin rights for a day. |
| 16:58.27 | clive-h | Heh |
| 16:59.31 | clive-h | The only places I've worked where people had *nix workstations were ISPs |
| 16:59.48 | clive-h | And people installed what they wanted on those |
| 17:02.22 | Ch0Hag | This is a previously debian-ed and now ubuntu-ed office. |
| 17:02.46 | Ch0Hag | Though I've had to gently steer them away from Windows applications once or twice. |
| 17:06.15 | kjalil | clive-h: can you explain that IPMI serial over lan out of band stuff? |
| 17:06.30 | kjalil | clive-h: what do you mean by serial over lan? |
| 17:06.45 | clive-h | Okay |
| 17:07.13 | clive-h | machines that do IPMI are equipped with a BMC (baseboard management controller) |
| 17:07.31 | kjalil | oh yes, i sort of know IPMI, been playing with it a little bit |
| 17:07.42 | kjalil | i know the BMC has it's own IP, etc |
| 17:07.45 | Ch0Hag | Is that Intel'l lame attempt to copy Sun's LOM? |
| 17:07.53 | Ch0Hag | s/'l/'s/ |
| 17:07.59 | clive-h | Well it's a PC standard |
| 17:08.16 | Ch0Hag | What if I'd done s/l/s/ eh? |
| 17:08.22 | kjalil | Ch0Hag: yes, it's some sort of standard use by many people |
| 17:08.42 | clive-h | The BMC can be configued to redirect the serial output to the BMC IP address |
| 17:09.09 | kjalil | clive-h: hmm, i didn't know the BMC had serial output, sort of like a console connection? |
| 17:09.35 | clive-h | and then you use an ipmi client to transmit the serial output over TCP/IP using serial over lan |
| 17:10.15 | clive-h | So I had a situation where I could login as if I was sitting at the server using it's serial port |
| 17:10.32 | clive-h | You running getty on ttyS0 |
| 17:10.38 | clive-h | s/running/run/ |
| 17:10.41 | Ch0Hag | Does it work if the machine is off? |
| 17:10.46 | clive-h | yes |
| 17:10.55 | Ch0Hag | Over the LAN? |
| 17:11.03 | clive-h | Yes |
| 17:11.09 | clive-h | The BMC is always on |
| 17:11.24 | Ch0Hag | So presumabely the card is a (the) NIC also? |
| 17:11.32 | clive-h | It's a NIC yes |
| 17:11.46 | clive-h | with it's own IP etc |
| 17:11.50 | kjalil | clive-h: you redirect the serial output to the IP, then on the *client* machine somewhere, you what? |
| 17:11.58 | Ch0Hag | Nifty. How much for one for PC arch? |
| 17:12.02 | clive-h | You do that in the Bios |
| 17:12.15 | Ch0Hag | The only thing my server lacks is the ability for me to power cycle it remotely. |
| 17:12.19 | clive-h | Well later dell servers have IPMI |
| 17:12.34 | clive-h | You can cycle power using IPMI |
| 17:12.43 | kjalil | Ch0Hag: we are doing it on Apple XServes |
| 17:12.43 | Ch0Hag | Presumabely PCI has enough power-off juice to run this. |
| 17:12.53 | clive-h | As well as effectively login on the serial port on lan |
| 17:13.11 | clive-h | It must take some power when it's off |
| 17:13.25 | Ch0Hag | Any IP encryption at all? |
| 17:13.35 | kjalil | clive-h: on the client machine you tell it to do 'ipmi <host IP>' etc, to connect to the remote machine? |
| 17:13.44 | clive-h | kjalil yep |
| 17:14.01 | clive-h | You have users and passwords on the BMC for security |
| 17:14.02 | kjalil | clive-h: i don't understand this serial over lan stuff. is it some sort of spec? |
| 17:14.19 | clive-h | It's part of the IPMI spec |
| 17:14.32 | kjalil | clive-h: yeah apple's interface for adding the users to the BMC is a bit confusing, not very intuitive |
| 17:14.49 | clive-h | It took me a while to get the hang of IPMI |
| 17:14.54 | Ch0Hag | kjalil: Think of it like telnet with telnetd connecting to the serial port instead of inself. |
| 17:14.58 | kjalil | clive-h: ah so there is not general thing called 'Serial over LAN' |
| 17:15.07 | Ch0Hag | clive-h: But no SSL or the like? |
| 17:15.14 | clive-h | It's an IPMI protocol |
| 17:15.22 | Ch0Hag | Not that I'd necessarily expect it with the tiny CPU it'd have to have. |
| 17:15.36 | clive-h | I think you can do some kind of encryption |
| 17:15.44 | clive-h | Though in fact I didn't |
| 17:16.01 | kjalil | Ch0Hag: inself? did you mean itself? |
| 17:16.08 | Ch0Hag | Da. |
| 17:16.47 | clive-h | It was all firewalled off anyway |
| 17:16.56 | clive-h | And there's a gotcha to IPMI |
| 17:17.01 | Ch0Hag | So how long before one of these boards runs a mini Linux kernel? |
| 17:17.13 | kjalil | Ch0Hag: so you meant 'tell telnetd to listen on the serial port's interface' instead of the normal ethernet interface with the IP |
| 17:17.28 | clive-h | Errr no kjalil |
| 17:17.54 | clive-h | You run a getty on the serial port |
| 17:18.02 | Ch0Hag | (IPMI: telnet -> eth -> telnetd -> serial) -> getty |
| 17:18.03 | kjalil | ok i get that |
| 17:18.15 | Ch0Hag | Except it's not really telnet. |
| 17:18.28 | clive-h | You also see all the BIOS stuff as you reboot the machine |
| 17:18.35 | clive-h | You can go into the BIOS |
| 17:18.39 | Ch0Hag | Yeah I've seen servers that do that. |
| 17:18.57 | Ch0Hag | The one time I tried to actually use it I couldn't pass half of the special keys it needed. |
| 17:19.08 | Ch0Hag | ESC, Ctrl-S, etc. |
| 17:19.13 | clive-h | Even do pxe if you have a boot server available |
| 17:19.22 | clive-h | Yes I found that a bit tricky |
| 17:19.37 | kjalil | i haven't really played around with any serial stuff on linux, what can you do with getty on a serial port apart from a console session? |
| 17:19.48 | Ch0Hag | Nothing else. |
| 17:19.51 | clive-h | That's it |
| 17:19.52 | Ch0Hag | That's the whole idea. |
| 17:19.57 | Ch0Hag | Well - you can have a modem I suppose. |
| 17:20.12 | clive-h | how quaint |
| 17:20.37 | Ch0Hag | With Sun's it's *the* kernel console. |
| 17:20.42 | Ch0Hag | s/'// |
| 17:20.45 | kjalil | ok i'm going to bang my head on the table now. i'll have to read up on getty properly to understand this |
| 17:21.10 | Ch0Hag | Except that with Suns it's not over ethernet. |
| 17:21.14 | clive-h | Well it is with IPMI and linux if that's what you set it up to do |
| 17:21.40 | morsing | Beer |
| 17:21.43 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 17:21.45 | kjalil | doesn't getty *always* run on the serial port by default? |
| 17:21.48 | Ch0Hag | clive-h: Well yeah, I meant by default (in fact more - there's nowhere else the console, especially pre-OS stuff, can go) |
| 17:21.53 | morsing | kjalil: No |
| 17:21.53 | kjalil | morsing: hello! |
| 17:21.59 | morsing | kjalil! |
| 17:22.04 | clive-h | Certainly not on RedHat |
| 17:22.13 | clive-h | I had to configure getty to run |
| 17:22.21 | Ch0Hag | Not on Debian either. |
| 17:22.29 | Ch0Hag | Unless you install over the serial port. |
| 17:22.31 | kjalil | ok, i didn't mean *on* by default, i mean't configured to do so |
| 17:22.50 | Ch0Hag | There's a line in inittab but it's normally commented. |
| 17:22.58 | clive-h | On Redhat derived OSes getty isn't normally on |
| 17:23.00 | kjalil | Ch0Hag: exactly |
| 17:23.16 | clive-h | It's been ages since unix servers ran RS232 really |
| 17:23.25 | Ch0Hag | Suns still do. |
| 17:23.43 | kjalil | that's what i meant. ok so I understand that much. and when you turn it on, and plug in a cable and connect with minicom, etc you get a normal login console session, yes? |
| 17:23.44 | clive-h | Yeah I know, I have a few |
| 17:23.52 | Ch0Hag | Although they wedge it into an RJ-45 connector, which makes [un-]plugging cables when you can't see a pain. |
| 17:24.14 | clive-h | Well isn't it easier to do it via the network |
| 17:24.27 | Ch0Hag | It's RJ45 but not ethernet. |
| 17:24.29 | clive-h | Saves the cost of a terminal server |
| 17:24.41 | clive-h | Yeah I know Sun kit well enough |
| 17:24.46 | Ch0Hag | Oh to kjalil. Sorry. |
| 17:25.21 | clive-h | I've adminned sun servers in .au and .jp from the UK |
| 17:27.25 | clive-h | I think I prefer IPMI in fact |
| 17:27.56 | kjalil | clive-h: what were the gotchas in IPMI? |
| 17:28.07 | Ch0Hag | The only advantage I can see is the ethernet connection. |
| 17:28.30 | Ch0Hag | But then I've not used it, so I can't be sure. |
| 17:29.00 | clive-h | There were a couple of gotchas |
| 17:29.18 | clive-h | (1) the box itself can't talk to it's own BMC |
| 17:29.33 | clive-h | (2) IPMI only works on the same subnet |
| 17:29.55 | Ch0Hag | Eh? |
| 17:29.58 | Ch0Hag | Even printers have routing. |
| 17:30.30 | clive-h | IPMI doesn't do that |
| 17:30.30 | Ch0Hag | That sounds like laziness. |
| 17:30.50 | kjalil | clive-h: so you can't have a primary IP on a different subnet from the IPMI's subnet? they must be in the same subnet? |
| 17:32.17 | clive-h | You can have seperate subnets |
| 17:32.33 | clive-h | But you can only access the BMC from it's *own* subnet |
| 17:32.58 | clive-h | At least on Dell Poweredge 1850s |
| 17:33.25 | hali | wot is this blastphomy i hear |
| 17:33.33 | Ch0Hag | But they're still regular PCs with the crappy BIOS? |
| 17:33.42 | Ch0Hag | In Dell's case, an even crappier BIOS. |
| 17:33.45 | hali | the sun ilom/rsc *owns* any other remote controller interface |
| 17:34.11 | clive-h | Well servers with the Dell BIOS |
| 17:34.17 | Ch0Hag | hali: Except perhaps for not being over ethernet, but I can't see that being a massive saving. |
| 17:34.31 | clive-h | But the BBC have hundreds of PE1850s |
| 17:34.40 | hali | Ch0Hag: both ilom and rsc are over ethernet |
| 17:34.43 | Ch0Hag | And potentially dangerous in a data centre if you haven't your own switch/subnet. |
| 17:34.49 | Ch0Hag | Oh. |
| 17:34.49 | hali | with a serial port as well |
| 17:34.59 | Ch0Hag | I must have only used an old one or something. |
| 17:35.24 | Ch0Hag | I've not played with Suns newer than the Netra. |
| 17:35.56 | clive-h | I used some of the newer ones at the BBC |
| 17:36.05 | Ch0Hag | My muppet of a boss knows enough about computers to be dangerous, and *only* uses kit bought off ebay. |
| 17:36.18 | hali | we buy kit off ebay sometimes :) |
| 17:36.27 | Ch0Hag | Sometimes != exclusively. |
| 17:36.36 | clive-h | One company I worked for bought old secondhand BT servers |
| 17:36.43 | clive-h | They were incredibly ropey |
| 17:36.50 | hali | he should look in to buying refurbished instead, often cheaper than ebay and much better |
| 17:37.11 | Ch0Hag | It's quite hard to explain anything to him. |
| 17:37.19 | Ch0Hag | He rather likes the sound of his own voice. |
| 17:37.19 | hali | companies like ccl, prodec or serversource. |
| 17:37.31 | hali | kick him in the gonads and leave :) |
| 17:37.48 | Ch0Hag | I will leave as soon as his secrets are safe with me and I have a better offer. |
| 17:37.52 | hali | btw, we are looking for junior desktop support people... :) |
| 17:38.12 | Ch0Hag | Or if he finally admits that he's a salesman and leaves the difficult alone. |
| 17:38.15 | kjalil | hali: looking for any sysadmins ? |
| 17:38.19 | clive-h | supporting linux? |
| 17:38.23 | Ch0Hag | ... I will stay if... |
| 17:38.38 | Ch0Hag | Desktop support? |
| 17:38.55 | Ch0Hag | That's icky. |
| 17:39.05 | hali | we have 15% linux desktops and 85% windows desktops... and 250 or so linux servers |
| 17:39.14 | clive-h | errrk |
| 17:39.21 | clive-h | I don't do windows |
| 17:39.22 | hali | so in short, the role sucks :) |
| 17:39.49 | Ch0Hag | Hey you're really selling it to me there. |
| 17:39.55 | hali | mostly boring desktop stuff, then some even more boring procedural checklist work (did file X download fine [check]" |
| 17:40.05 | hali | yep |
| 17:40.10 | clive-h | Sounds very junior |
| 17:40.26 | hali | it's not that bad actually... space to grow and the company is alright |
| 17:40.32 | Ch0Hag | You mean stuff the computer should do on its own? |
| 17:40.50 | Ch0Hag | Does that include growing into making the computers do their own work? |
| 17:41.02 | hali | Ch0Hag: oh, did i mention we have 75 ms-dos pc's in the server room doing data input work ;) |
| 17:41.14 | clive-h | DOS!!! |
| 17:41.25 | Ch0Hag | No but you've got me hooked now. |
| 17:41.36 | Ch0Hag | Oh please let me work with DOS. Please. |
| 17:41.44 | hali | a flock if indian data entry staff remote control them with some weird software... novell/dbase2 backend .. then pumped in to our main prod system in oracle |
| 17:41.52 | clive-h | Errk |
| 17:42.12 | clive-h | That sounds err different |
| 17:42.13 | Ch0Hag | You mean they could be replaced by one low-end pentium running sshd? |
| 17:42.26 | hali | not different at all, it's just very 1987 :) |
| 17:42.29 | clive-h | I use to run a data entry system |
| 17:42.30 | Ch0Hag | I like the group term 'flock' btw :) |
| 17:42.48 | hali | Ch0Hag: they can't really be replaced that easily |
| 17:42.51 | Ch0Hag | I shall remember to use that of indan call-centre staff in future. |
| 17:42.54 | clive-h | Though it was unix not DOS |
| 17:43.09 | clive-h | and we had about 24 data entry operators |
| 17:43.12 | hali | they run a clipper/dbase2 application which would have to be ported.. massive project |
| 17:43.44 | clive-h | I wrote a help desk system in Clipper once |
| 17:44.43 | clive-h | That must have been mid to late 80s |
| 17:45.03 | Ch0Hag | It still exists, apparently. |
| 17:45.03 | clive-h | We were still running netbios rather than IP |
| 17:45.05 | Ch0Hag | And going strong. |
| 17:45.25 | clive-h | Actually probably more like 87 i think |
| 17:45.34 | hali | we use ipx :) |
| 17:45.58 | clive-h | I haven't in many years |
| 17:46.24 | clive-h | I keep threatening to get X.25 running on my home network |
| 17:46.54 | Ch0Hag | Threatening whom? |
| 17:47.05 | clive-h | Myself mostly |
| 17:48.00 | Ch0Hag | Any particular reason why? |
| 17:48.09 | clive-h | It might bring back bad memories of when I had 40 sites running X.25 |
| 17:48.29 | Ch0Hag | I like geek channels. |
| 17:48.32 | hali | clive-h: ah, and we have a hp3000 still in production :) |
| 17:48.32 | clive-h | And about 180 users |
| 17:48.35 | Ch0Hag | One of the few places I don't feel so old :) |
| 17:48.51 | hali | i think the 3k is x25 or something like that to the data feeds it reads |
| 17:49.02 | Ch0Hag | The oldest type of network I've seen was Econet, and that was phased out a few years after I started school. |
| 17:49.15 | clive-h | Now I feel old |
| 17:49.39 | Ch0Hag | Heh sorry :/ |
| 17:49.47 | clive-h | I remember the BBC coming out |
| 17:50.05 | clive-h | and having to wait for the BBC B to begin production |
| 17:50.44 | Ch0Hag | BBC? |
| 17:50.49 | Ch0Hag | It was all about Sinclair. |
| 17:50.57 | clive-h | Econet was acorn |
| 17:51.06 | Ch0Hag | Yeah, sorry, moved on from that. |
| 17:51.17 | hali | it was all about IP for me back then, lucky enough to have a sun box .. not that i had enything to network *with* |
| 17:51.18 | Ch0Hag | Acorn trumps QL, but QL trumps BBC. |
| 17:51.42 | Ch0Hag | In fact Risc OS trumps most things. |
| 17:51.53 | clive-h | I think one of my more priceless moments was going to my Stats course with my own printed tables |
| 17:52.15 | clive-h | Which the the PDP-8/L had produced on a ASR33 teletype |
| 17:52.50 | clive-h | The lecturer looked at me with disbelief |
| 17:53.07 | clive-h | But after checking them conceded they were accurate |
| 17:54.30 | clive-h | i've an archimedes but never really got into riscos |
| 17:54.44 | Ch0Hag | Oh I don't think it'd do me, now. |
| 17:54.53 | Ch0Hag | But for regular users, the interface is unequaled. |
| 17:55.00 | Ch0Hag | equalled? |
| 17:55.23 | Ch0Hag | That was proper British engineering, that was. |
| 17:55.25 | clive-h | I think for non pc literate people I'd give em a Mac |
| 17:55.41 | Ch0Hag | Me too, but only because Risc OS is so out-dated now. |
| 17:56.15 | clive-h | I did all the non-pc stuff when I worked for a Council |
| 17:56.44 | clive-h | The windows manager went to look at a Mac to try and get it on the network |
| 17:56.50 | clive-h | So I got sent] |
| 17:56.58 | clive-h | Took me all of 5 mins |
| 17:57.27 | clive-h | made him look like a right numpty |
| 17:57.43 | Ch0Hag | Meh he's got 'manager' in his title. |
| 17:57.48 | Ch0Hag | He already looked like a numpty. |
| 17:58.11 | clive-h | Nah he used wanted to put windows on everything |
| 17:58.30 | Ch0Hag | Sort of like many Linux people today then? |
| 17:58.53 | clive-h | Horses for courses innit |
| 17:59.44 | clive-h | For office use windows is fine, preferably if I'm allowed to run linux instead |
| 18:01.08 | clive-h | I've done my fair share of windows desktop support |
| 18:01.42 | clive-h | In an office where most people ran internationalised XP |
| 18:02.01 | clive-h | and most of the time I couldn't even begin to understand the error messages |
| 18:04.22 | morsing | Beer |
| 18:04.45 | clive-h | The ipmitool page confirms IPMI can do encryption |
| 18:48.03 | *** join/#gllug ceronman (n=ceronman@host86-128-214-164.range86-128.btcentralplus.com) |
| 18:59.33 | morsing | ceronman! |
| 19:00.17 | ceronman | hey morsing |
| 19:03.12 | morsing | How are you? |
| 19:04.00 | ceronman | morsing: I'm fine, enjoying GUADEC. And you? |
| 19:07.39 | morsing | GUADEC? Good thanks - been to Uxbridge today |
| 19:10.56 | ceronman | morsing: guadec.org |
| 19:12.24 | rhowe | http://siksai.co.uk/~rhowe/slags.jpg |
| 19:14.17 | gw280 | ceronman: you're at guadec? |
| 19:15.04 | ceronman | gw280: yeah! |
| 19:15.16 | gw280 | ceronman: I've had food poisoning so I've been in the hotel all day :( |
| 19:15.45 | ceronman | gw280: too bad! |
| 19:16.36 | ceronman | gw280: well, It's only the warm up, I'm sure you will get better before the core begins |
| 19:16.48 | gw280 | heh |
| 19:16.53 | gw280 | ceronman: where are you? |
| 19:17.37 | ceronman | gw280: I'm in the Central Backpackers |
| 19:17.55 | ceronman | but probably I will move to etap tomorrow |
| 19:32.52 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 19:33.09 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 19:49.48 | hali | a little bit humid is it |
| 19:51.44 | morsing | Cool |
| 20:09.42 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 20:31.04 | *** join/#gllug clive-h (n=ch@chills.demon.co.uk) |
| 21:53.34 | andrew__ | wethrin seems a bit un pingable ;-) |
| 23:28.21 | Ch0Hag | This server I just set up keeps bouncing mail headed for what appears to be a message id. |
| 23:28.28 | Ch0Hag | I can't tell if I'm being spammed by an idiot or if I've missed something in the list of user aliases. |
| 23:29.36 | antiphase | That's a bit vague |
| 23:30.59 | Ch0Hag | What's vague? |
| 23:31.40 | antiphase | You said what the symptons where without any examples. Or was it just a soliloquy? ;) |
| 23:32.10 | Ch0Hag | It's a soliloquy. |
| 23:32.34 | Ch0Hag | But if you want to know: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from unknown[74.206.213.254]: 550 5.1.1 <44d73b4b.7060806@oracletc.co.uk> |
| 23:34.01 | antiphase | Do you know anyone in Peru? |
| 23:34.24 | antiphase | It'll just be some fuckers looking for an open relay I expect |
| 23:34.27 | Ch0Hag | from=<gyrxocorpdip@xocorp.com> to=<44e42a08.7020200@oracletc.co.uk> proto=ESMTP helo=<nextnet-dhcp-s2-5374.bivapr.net> |
| 23:34.42 | Ch0Hag | It certainly all looks like spam. |
| 23:34.46 | Ch0Hag | But there's SO MUCH of it. |
| 23:35.45 | antiphase | Were you being an open relay for long enough to get onto a list? |
| 23:35.50 | Ch0Hag | Oh well just leave it and see if anybody shouts tomorrow. |
| 23:35.59 | Ch0Hag | Possibly. I've only just taken this client over. |
| 23:36.06 | antiphase | Ah |
| 23:36.10 | Ch0Hag | Who knows what happened before? |
| 23:36.48 | antiphase | I'd check if your netblock has been blacklisted in that case |
| 23:39.00 | clive-h | Are you racletc.co.uk? |
| 23:39.43 | Ch0Hag | No. |
| 23:40.49 | Ch0Hag | Oh you missed the o. |
| 23:40.50 | Ch0Hag | Yes. |
| 23:41.15 | clive-h | I'm confused now |
| 23:41.27 | clive-h | Ahh |
