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08:27.08bilarhibot: morning
08:27.09ibotGood morning!
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08:45.57niv_one_threein iptables, should I first allow port 443 in and then close all ports from 0-1024 ? or should I do it the other way: first close all then open 443?
08:48.09bilarhfirst allow
08:48.27bilarhiptables stops rule processing when a matching rule has been found iirc
08:48.36bilarhapart from 'print'-rules
08:56.34antiphaseFo shizzle
09:03.26antiphaseIf you're feeling masochistic you can change the INPUT or PREROUTING chain policy to DENY, then try and work out what to allow so you can get things to work again
09:18.43niv_one_threeok, so I will need to first allow 443 then close 0-1024 . thnaks
09:18.59bilarhnp
09:19.10bilarhbut really, you should do what antiphase says
09:19.21bilarhalthough it's a faaaahkin pain in the arse
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09:22.51dick_turpinBuongiorno, I'm back!
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09:32.51dick_turpingoibhniu: :-)
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10:06.33goibhniudick_turpin!
10:06.40goibhniuhow was LRL?
10:07.07dick_turpingoibhniu: Cool did you see my blog?
10:07.52goibhniunot yet
10:08.34dick_turpinRome was cool, had my phone pinched
10:09.23goibhniuah shite
10:09.33goibhniuhey you got a free t-shirt and a jacket!
10:10.00goibhniudid they grab the phone off you, or pinch it from the table or something?
10:10.43dick_turpingoibhniu: I ran a car boot sale on the Sunday with all the pens, pads, software and tee shirts
10:11.10dick_turpingoibhniu: Na I had it pinched on the bus back from the trevi fountain
10:12.09goibhniuah ... must have been some american scum on the bus
10:12.17goibhniuis it insured?
10:12.36goibhniuyou can replace it with a neo
10:13.05dick_turpingoibhniu: Don't care I've got a Nokia 6300 now, trying to fathom the bleedin email config on it
10:15.13goibhniuok
10:16.25dick_turpingoibhniu: Did some dick_turpin stuff on a guy selling fake Gucci hand bags tho
10:16.55goibhniuhey ... you met another archie!! that's incredible!!
10:17.43dick_turpingoibhniu: I know, I was so amazed I forgot to get his name/contact details
10:18.12goibhniuthat bit of the story makes it harder to believe
10:18.29dick_turpingoibhniu: What bit?
10:18.33goibhniuyour daughters were away ... no eye witnesses ... and no credentials
10:18.51goibhniuwhat kind of a coffee shop was that?
10:19.21goibhniua mythtv demo ... that'd be nice to see
10:19.40dick_turpingoibhniu: Oh typical 'Student' coffee bar although it was slightly continental in style
10:20.20dick_turpingoibhniu: The girls came back while I was talking to him :-P
10:24.15goibhniuhmm ... but you don't have photographic evidence or anything?
10:24.46bilarhdick_turpin: let this be a lesson never to use public transport again!
10:26.46dick_turpingoibhniu: Ah but thats where your wrong I have a photo at the fountain where the bulge in my pocket clearly shows I had it
10:27.08dick_turpinbilarh: I only saw two cats the whole time we was there
10:29.56bilarhdick_turpin: really? I've seen more cats here then :)
10:30.31dick_turpinbilarh: Yep at the Forum they was sunning themselves on a ruin
10:30.47bilarhcool :D
10:31.42dick_turpinI'm gonna do a post/blog on my trip, everyone uses open source out there
10:32.28goibhniuI saw a guy reading a very large linux book on a bus in venice too
10:34.15dick_turpingoibhniu: I didn't see any Linux desktops predominantly it was all Windows but they was all using Firefox, Open Office, Gaim/Pidgin ect. Hotels, shops and Internet Cafes
10:37.21goibhniuthat's quite cool!
10:37.36goibhniuweird the way you can't get online without personal ID though
10:38.22dick_turpingoibhniu: I know, the wife wasn't impressed "Your bloody addicted to computers, we're on holiday. Leave them alone!"
10:39.04dick_turpingoibhniu: Yeah, I nearly lost my passport because of it
10:40.01dick_turpingoibhniu: Even at the airport you need it, you have to hold it up so the thing can scan it before it will let you on the net
10:40.54bilarhitaly is a complete fascist state by the sounds of it
10:42.25goibhniuthere are a lot of commies there
10:45.00dick_turpinbilarh: We went to a history ride thingy (Disney land type thing) Mussolini was whizzed through very quickly indeed
10:45.11bilarhhehehe
10:45.34dick_turpinbilarh: I saw a shop selling Hitler and Mussolini whine
10:45.46dick_turpinwine
10:46.05bilarhshame, i quite fancied some mussolini whine :()
10:49.32dick_turpinbilarh: We went to a monument by Trajans Column (I'm ashamed to admit I don't remember who it was too) Its beautiful, white and huge. the soldiers and police blew whistles if you touched the walls or sat down
10:50.35bilarh"beautiful, white and huge"... sounds like me :D
10:51.20bilarhcould you like... make them play melodies and stuff by sitting down, getting up, touching the wall etc?
10:51.55dick_turpinbilarh: Na, I've read whats written on your collage's toilet wall "bilarh is a LITTLE boy" ;-)
10:52.28bilarhoi keep our secret games out of here!
10:52.39dick_turpinbilarh: I didn't fancy toying with them they all had really big guns
10:53.24bilarhand now tell us how you found that out... :P
10:54.58dick_turpinbilarh: Cos some long haired muppet student sat down on a plinth didn't he and low did the Itia blow their whistles and move menacingly toward him with machine guns
10:55.22bilarhi hate policemen
10:55.30bilarhi bet they all got bullied in school and have small penises
10:55.36dick_turpinbilarh: Get a hair cut ;-)
10:55.40bilarhhey, i could be one :D
10:58.37dick_turpinbilarh: here you go this is the place http://www.casayego.com/europeancities/rome/rome-b.jpg
10:59.59dick_turpinHm dinner time, back in a bit
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11:04.37goibhniuwethrin: I'd be happy to do a 10-15 min gllug talk on video editing in linux and the Turning Point project, if you think anyone would be interested
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13:40.53mumperHi peeps :)
13:42.00LeedsHKevening mumpy
13:42.32mumperhowdy there in HK Leeds-type person! :)
13:43.49mumperLeedsHK: I've been having somewhat boring stroll through "Gramps" - but I can't get my grandparents married ...
13:46.32mumperLeedsHK: I await my brother sending me my father's military records, which should show what he got up to in Hong Kong - d'you think I'll need to send a mugshot in case of unexpected family members? Or has the damage been done ...
13:48.33mumperAnd in case anyone asks, i'm entirely happy with Debian 4 - it has steepened my learning curve/gradient! :-P
13:57.14Ch0HagSurely it's better fo software to soften your learning curve.
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15:05.10mumperLeedsHK: Oh no - become a nun ...
15:06.43dick_turpinLeedsHK: Become a mystic...
15:07.20rhoweLeedsHK: HK driving you slowly mad? :)
15:07.43LeedsHKwomen...
15:07.58mumperI go, dinner-wards, I leave you all in pieces, or summink - but that mystic idea - yeah ... ;)
15:08.27rhoweLeedsHK: Ah, that old chestnut
15:08.32dick_turpin:-) We aim to please, or is it please to aim?
15:10.25LeedsHKI'm getting really fed up of being a good friend
15:10.32boudiccasPlease? Aim!
15:10.48boudiccasAim PLease!
15:11.00boudiccassausages
15:12.30LeedsHKwish I was a player... sometimes.
15:13.05rhoweLeedsHK: .hk is a pretty tough place for finding women, I'd suspect
15:13.18LeedsHKno, that's exactly the point
15:13.29rhoweLeedsHK: At least, women which last more than a few hours, and which you don't have to pay for
15:13.41rhoweLeedsHK: Well, women as in female partners
15:13.50dick_turpinLeedsHK: And your problem is??
15:14.04LeedsHKI don't seem to be able to turn around without meeting a new single attractive female person
15:14.52dick_turpinibot: throw a rock at LeedsHK
15:14.52ibotACTION winds up and throws a rock at LeedsHK over the moon.
15:14.57rhoweWhat /is/ it with mimi and the door?
15:15.10LeedsHKI seem to have become very good at making friends with single attractive female persons
15:17.26rhoweLeedsHK: To get into a relationship is generally quite a big leap for .hk women
15:19.01rhoweLeedsHK: So you either have to trick them into one, be super rich, super successful and of strong character, or find one who doesn't look for the standard set of values (money, stability, care)
15:19.50rhoweLeedsHK: The end result is that it's pretty tough getting into a stable relationship, with short term ones being relatively uncommon
15:20.02LeedsHKseems to happen for other people
15:20.40rhowewell of course the ones who make it stand out
15:21.40antiphaseDepends on the Wookie quotient I expect
15:35.19LeedsHKcomic books
15:38.01dick_turpinLeedsHK: Henti?
15:38.27boudiccasasterix
15:38.47dick_turpinboudiccas: Ooh thats non PC apperently
15:38.57boudiccasbut its funny
15:39.10LeedsHKTestement and Fell is what I was thinking, as a start
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17:51.02dick_turpinLeedsHK: Go then, what's happened now?
17:51.25dick_turpinGo on then,
17:54.18LeedsHKjust Jasmine
17:54.53dick_turpinLeedsHK: Ooheer that sounds nice
17:55.03LeedsHKno, no
17:55.52dick_turpinLeedsHK: Please don't spoil the image I currently have in my head
17:56.44rhowe<PROTECTED>
17:56.53rhowecurious spam subject :/
17:56.54LeedsHKvery short summary: had the start of something with her back around February, until she decided I wasn't right for her... now she's got me firmly in the "just friends, can give advice on guys I like" column, while I've got her in the "I know she's told me why she isn't attracted to me, but I don't really believe it, deep down" column
17:58.12LeedsHKthe 'sucker for punishment' is trying to find somewhere between not talking to each other, and her describing her deep love for a guy she's know for a few weeks and only ever met on one weekend, in so much detail that it makes me think about slitting my wrists
18:01.03dick_turpinLeedsHK: Tell her you saw him in a bar the other night with a shemail :-)
18:01.20dick_turpinshemale
18:01.58LeedsHKdon't need to do that
18:02.26LeedsHKthey spent a weekend together in .sg - where he currently lives, although he's heading back to Canada next month - a couple of weeks ago
18:02.59dick_turpinLeedsHK: Oh goody. Rebound job, excellant plan
18:03.15LeedsHKhe spent the next weekend in Thailand with another HK girl he'd also met online... and apparently the hotel screwed up and gave them a double bed rather than two singles, and once they'd bought the condoms, they had to use the whole pack
18:03.19rhoweLeedsHK: If you don't wanna hear about him, tell her so. Tell her that you thought you were getting somewhere and that you aren't interested in how she feels about other guys and it hurts to hear it so she should stop talking about them
18:03.27LeedsHKrhowe: told her that
18:04.06LeedsHKthe bit about the condoms isn't true... but he did use the line about the hotel messing up with the bed, so they had to sleep together
18:04.41dick_turpinLeedsHK: And it worked? god how dumb, I'm on the next plane
18:04.49rhoweLeedsHK: *shrug* if she doesn't think she can lose you she won't try to keep you around
18:05.03LeedsHKanyway, she's not interested in me (any more) because a) I'm too fat and can't lose weight at liposurgery speeds and b) I won't eat lobster with her
18:05.38LeedsHKrhowe: I've told her that if she wants to be friends, she needs to show a little respect for my feelings - it cuts both ways
18:06.11LeedsHKessentially, we could have been together if I'd lost 50 pounds in a few weeks, and given up my religion for her
18:06.21LeedsHKanyway, it's past 2am, and I should really go to sleep
18:06.51rhoweLeedsHK: Compared to some requests, it's perhaps not so insane :P
18:07.01rhoweLeedsHK: Just mildly nuts
18:07.02dick_turpinLeedsHK: Things will look better in the morning, nighty night
18:07.21LeedsHKdick_turpin: doubt it... in the morning I go back to worrying about the future of my job
18:07.31rhoweLeedsHK: If it's any consolation, I've been asked for a divorce because I posted the wrong bag to someone
18:07.48LeedsHKnight time is for paranoia about women,  day time is for obsessing about work
18:07.52LeedsHKrhowe: uh... in a serious way?
18:08.28rhoweLeedsHK: Well, the email was phrased pretty seriously, but I soon diffused it
18:08.52LeedsHKoh, incidentally, in case you hadn't realised... I'm absolutely crap, and your postcards are sitting on my shelf... also, the bag you left here has been out enjoying the sunshine - junk boat last week, private beach this week
18:08.56dick_turpinLeedsHK: You don't live in a tower block do you? Things are coming across as pretty worrying
18:08.59rhoweLeedsHK: Just her way of dealing with stress or problems - crazy nonsensical knee-jerk reactions
18:09.13LeedsHKdick_turpin: 4th floor... and rhowe knows what that means in this part of the world, I'm sure
18:09.25rhowehaha post the damn cards dude
18:09.34LeedsHK*everybody* in HK lives in a tower block - a building less than 10 stories is considered low-rise
18:09.42rhowe4th is almost enough for an interesting pattern on the pavement
18:09.48rhoweProbably not dramatic enough though#
18:10.01LeedsHKwanted to check that there wasn't anything on them which would confuse people when they arrived a few months late?
18:10.09LeedsHK4th floor is unlucky - 4=death
18:10.27rhoweIf you were going to jump off a building, there are better places to do it than the 4th floor of a residential block
18:10.34rhoweLeedsHK: *shrug* doubt it
18:10.39LeedsHKlike, say, the 26th floor of the same building?
18:11.01rhoweLeedsHK: The fact that I'm sending them postcards from HK when they've seen me only the day before in London or wherever is probably sufficient to cause confusion
18:11.06rhoweLeedsHK: 26 isn't so high
18:11.10LeedsHKheh - I'll get them sent soon
18:11.10rhoweLeedsHK: You know that :P
18:11.18dick_turpinLeedsHK: Make sure you fall on her "Ha so much for overweight"
18:11.19rhoweLeedsHK: Tomorrow?
18:11.19LeedsHKoh, sure - this is quite an old building
18:11.27LeedsHKdick_turpin: good call :-)
18:11.35rhowedick_turpin: haha
18:11.40LeedsHKrhowe: I'll do what I can - need to source some stamps from somewhere
18:11.51rhoweLeedsHK: I suggest a post office
18:11.53LeedsHKdick_turpin: I'll keep that one back as a threat for the future
18:12.10LeedsHKI'm not often near a post office
18:12.26rhowePerhaps not accidentally
18:12.31LeedsHKwould take me maybe 30 minutes to get to one and back at lunchtime
18:12.32dick_turpinThats because they are all on the ground floor
18:12.43rhoweBut if you actually intentionally positioned yourself near one, it might make acquiring stamps easier
18:12.50LeedsHKyes, true
18:13.00LeedsHKbut it may make things like getting to work on time harder
18:13.04rhoweIt might even be possible to get them at 7-11 or so
18:13.25LeedsHKnever tried - that was my first thought, of course
18:13.32LeedsHKI spend a lot of time in 7-11 nowadays
18:14.10LeedsHKanyway, I'll do what I can - will get them sent this week, for sure... I've been working on my paperwork backlog
18:14.18rhowealrighty
18:15.20LeedsHKand now, sleep
18:15.39dick_turpinibot: tell LeedsHK to go to bed
18:16.01dick_turpinBugger that didn't work then
18:16.29LeedsHKibot: tell dick_turpin about france
18:16.59rhoweibot tell LeedsHK about sleep
18:17.12LeedsHKrhowe: not a good message :-)
18:17.14rhoweheh
18:17.17dick_turpinLeedsHK: ere thats not fair its a pm
18:20.09LeedsHKzzzzzzzzzz
18:20.37rhoweLeedsHK: Repeat after me: ngoh seung gei jeung ming sun pin hui ying guo
18:21.09rhowengoh seung (I'd like to send) gei jeung ming sun pin (a postcard) hui ying guo (to England) :)
18:21.13dick_turpinrhowe: Is that rude? (Hopefully)
18:21.47rhoweOr,  ngoh seung yiu di yau piu
18:22.04rhoweyau piu being stamps, apparently
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18:22.20LeedsHKrhowe: I'm not in Kowloon, you know - they speak English over here
18:22.36rhowe(no tone, 3rd tone)
18:23.01rhoweLeedsHK: True, but I'd just like you to run into a post office and yell "NGOH SEUNG YIU DI YAU PIU" and see what happens
18:23.06LeedsHKI don't do tones
18:23.48rhowehmm
18:24.01rhoweIt amuses me that they include this...
18:24.17LeedsHKdoing tones would involve actually learning the language to some extent, rather than my current plan of picking up random bits of pieces here and there and expecting - and getting! - respect from Chinese friends and colleagues for knowing anything at all
18:24.19rhowe"ngoh yiu sik yau taai sik mat"
18:24.29rhowe"I'd like a kosher meal" - how many places is it even worth saying it in?
18:25.05LeedsHKthere are two places in HK which serve kosher food, and they *only* serve kosher food
18:25.11rhoweExactly
18:25.13LeedsHKof course, that is for use when booking a flight
18:25.31rhoweOK, so we have one place where it's useful, the travel agent/airline
18:25.55rhoweand two places where it's redundant :)
18:26.02LeedsHKI would also expect that almost no locals except for travel/airline agents would have a clue what it meant
18:26.05rhowephrasebooks are so full of crap :)
18:26.07rhoweLeedsHK: Indeed
18:26.26rhowehaha
18:26.35LeedsHKbased on extensive personal experience of trying to get exactly that concept across with many many people in the past 2 years :-)
18:26.39rhowe"ngoh yiu hui jau lau"
18:26.48rhowe"I'd like to go to a Chinese restaurant"
18:26.58LeedsHKyou mean "a restaurant"
18:27.03rhoweIf you really need assistance in HK, you're in trouble :)
18:27.24LeedsHKexcept in soho
18:27.43rhoweah, there we go
18:27.50rhowe"ngoh seung hui yum cha!"
18:28.03rhowe"ngoh seung hui" seems quite useful
18:28.07rhowe"I want to go and"
18:28.09LeedsHKno thanks - far too late for yum cha
18:28.25LeedsHKbe quite impressed if you could find any at 2am
18:29.02rhoweCobble some together from 7-11? :)
18:29.38rhowe"ngoh m yiu jo sau sat" - "I don't want an operation!"
18:39.35Ch0HagWhy would a site with no ServerName or ServerAlias defined override one with?
18:49.19LeedsHK"Hong Kong ended April with 9.47 million mobile users, up from 9.36 million in March"
18:49.36LeedsHKthe population is expected to hit 7 million around the end of this year
18:50.17rhoweheh
18:51.23Ch0HagThat's some impressive figure massaging.
18:52.20LeedsHKno massaging... that will be a combination of people with more than one phone, and non-residents with HK numbers
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19:00.56morsinggoltor!
19:03.31Ch0Hagmorsing!
19:03.49morsingCh0Hag!
19:04.21Ch0HagWhy do you exclaim people's names so often?
19:04.57morsingWelcoming
19:05.05Ch0HagI see.
19:05.08morsingLike giving people a hug
19:05.22Ch0HagI don't want you to give me a hug.
19:05.44halialways welcoming
19:06.23morsingCh0Hag: Yes you do - you just don't know it
19:08.24Ch0HagSee you scared him off.
19:08.31morsingLovely
19:08.34Ch0HagHE didn't want a hug.
19:08.40morsing:(
19:08.46morsingNot even from me?
19:09.27morsing:(
19:09.31morsingwethrin?
19:36.38andrew__hi morsing
20:01.59morsingandrew__!
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20:46.03Ch0HagHTML rendering is weird.
20:46.19Ch0HagSurely 1em vertically should be the same as 1em horizontally/
20:48.46halithat would be way to practical
20:56.56wethrinmorsing: pong?
20:57.05wethringoibhniu: ping?
20:57.25goibhniuhi wethrin
20:57.28wethrinhi
20:57.33wethrinVideo editing sounds good
20:58.05goibhniucool, cinelerra and some stuff about the digital tipping point
20:58.24goibhniuI've been tipping around with it for a while, but I ain't no pro or anything
20:58.34goibhniuany idea when?
21:02.14wethrinSeptember sometime. Need to see what else I'm doing, and will arrange around that
21:07.20goibhniusuper
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22:30.13Ch0HagHow is sasl's ssf worked out?

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