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08:27.08 | bilarh | ibot: morning |
08:27.09 | ibot | Good morning! |
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08:45.57 | niv_one_three | in iptables, should I first allow port 443 in and then close all ports from 0-1024 ? or should I do it the other way: first close all then open 443? |
08:48.09 | bilarh | first allow |
08:48.27 | bilarh | iptables stops rule processing when a matching rule has been found iirc |
08:48.36 | bilarh | apart from 'print'-rules |
08:56.34 | antiphase | Fo shizzle |
09:03.26 | antiphase | If you're feeling masochistic you can change the INPUT or PREROUTING chain policy to DENY, then try and work out what to allow so you can get things to work again |
09:18.43 | niv_one_three | ok, so I will need to first allow 443 then close 0-1024 . thnaks |
09:18.59 | bilarh | np |
09:19.10 | bilarh | but really, you should do what antiphase says |
09:19.21 | bilarh | although it's a faaaahkin pain in the arse |
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09:22.51 | dick_turpin | Buongiorno, I'm back! |
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09:32.51 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: :-) |
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10:06.33 | goibhniu | dick_turpin! |
10:06.40 | goibhniu | how was LRL? |
10:07.07 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Cool did you see my blog? |
10:07.52 | goibhniu | not yet |
10:08.34 | dick_turpin | Rome was cool, had my phone pinched |
10:09.23 | goibhniu | ah shite |
10:09.33 | goibhniu | hey you got a free t-shirt and a jacket! |
10:10.00 | goibhniu | did they grab the phone off you, or pinch it from the table or something? |
10:10.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I ran a car boot sale on the Sunday with all the pens, pads, software and tee shirts |
10:11.10 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Na I had it pinched on the bus back from the trevi fountain |
10:12.09 | goibhniu | ah ... must have been some american scum on the bus |
10:12.17 | goibhniu | is it insured? |
10:12.36 | goibhniu | you can replace it with a neo |
10:13.05 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Don't care I've got a Nokia 6300 now, trying to fathom the bleedin email config on it |
10:15.13 | goibhniu | ok |
10:16.25 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Did some dick_turpin stuff on a guy selling fake Gucci hand bags tho |
10:16.55 | goibhniu | hey ... you met another archie!! that's incredible!! |
10:17.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I know, I was so amazed I forgot to get his name/contact details |
10:18.12 | goibhniu | that bit of the story makes it harder to believe |
10:18.29 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: What bit? |
10:18.33 | goibhniu | your daughters were away ... no eye witnesses ... and no credentials |
10:18.51 | goibhniu | what kind of a coffee shop was that? |
10:19.21 | goibhniu | a mythtv demo ... that'd be nice to see |
10:19.40 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Oh typical 'Student' coffee bar although it was slightly continental in style |
10:20.20 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: The girls came back while I was talking to him :-P |
10:24.15 | goibhniu | hmm ... but you don't have photographic evidence or anything? |
10:24.46 | bilarh | dick_turpin: let this be a lesson never to use public transport again! |
10:26.46 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Ah but thats where your wrong I have a photo at the fountain where the bulge in my pocket clearly shows I had it |
10:27.08 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I only saw two cats the whole time we was there |
10:29.56 | bilarh | dick_turpin: really? I've seen more cats here then :) |
10:30.31 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Yep at the Forum they was sunning themselves on a ruin |
10:30.47 | bilarh | cool :D |
10:31.42 | dick_turpin | I'm gonna do a post/blog on my trip, everyone uses open source out there |
10:32.28 | goibhniu | I saw a guy reading a very large linux book on a bus in venice too |
10:34.15 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I didn't see any Linux desktops predominantly it was all Windows but they was all using Firefox, Open Office, Gaim/Pidgin ect. Hotels, shops and Internet Cafes |
10:37.21 | goibhniu | that's quite cool! |
10:37.36 | goibhniu | weird the way you can't get online without personal ID though |
10:38.22 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I know, the wife wasn't impressed "Your bloody addicted to computers, we're on holiday. Leave them alone!" |
10:39.04 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yeah, I nearly lost my passport because of it |
10:40.01 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Even at the airport you need it, you have to hold it up so the thing can scan it before it will let you on the net |
10:40.54 | bilarh | italy is a complete fascist state by the sounds of it |
10:42.25 | goibhniu | there are a lot of commies there |
10:45.00 | dick_turpin | bilarh: We went to a history ride thingy (Disney land type thing) Mussolini was whizzed through very quickly indeed |
10:45.11 | bilarh | hehehe |
10:45.34 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I saw a shop selling Hitler and Mussolini whine |
10:45.46 | dick_turpin | wine |
10:46.05 | bilarh | shame, i quite fancied some mussolini whine :() |
10:49.32 | dick_turpin | bilarh: We went to a monument by Trajans Column (I'm ashamed to admit I don't remember who it was too) Its beautiful, white and huge. the soldiers and police blew whistles if you touched the walls or sat down |
10:50.35 | bilarh | "beautiful, white and huge"... sounds like me :D |
10:51.20 | bilarh | could you like... make them play melodies and stuff by sitting down, getting up, touching the wall etc? |
10:51.55 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Na, I've read whats written on your collage's toilet wall "bilarh is a LITTLE boy" ;-) |
10:52.28 | bilarh | oi keep our secret games out of here! |
10:52.39 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I didn't fancy toying with them they all had really big guns |
10:53.24 | bilarh | and now tell us how you found that out... :P |
10:54.58 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Cos some long haired muppet student sat down on a plinth didn't he and low did the Itia blow their whistles and move menacingly toward him with machine guns |
10:55.22 | bilarh | i hate policemen |
10:55.30 | bilarh | i bet they all got bullied in school and have small penises |
10:55.36 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Get a hair cut ;-) |
10:55.40 | bilarh | hey, i could be one :D |
10:58.37 | dick_turpin | bilarh: here you go this is the place http://www.casayego.com/europeancities/rome/rome-b.jpg |
10:59.59 | dick_turpin | Hm dinner time, back in a bit |
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11:04.37 | goibhniu | wethrin: I'd be happy to do a 10-15 min gllug talk on video editing in linux and the Turning Point project, if you think anyone would be interested |
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13:40.53 | mumper | Hi peeps :) |
13:42.00 | LeedsHK | evening mumpy |
13:42.32 | mumper | howdy there in HK Leeds-type person! :) |
13:43.49 | mumper | LeedsHK: I've been having somewhat boring stroll through "Gramps" - but I can't get my grandparents married ... |
13:46.32 | mumper | LeedsHK: I await my brother sending me my father's military records, which should show what he got up to in Hong Kong - d'you think I'll need to send a mugshot in case of unexpected family members? Or has the damage been done ... |
13:48.33 | mumper | And in case anyone asks, i'm entirely happy with Debian 4 - it has steepened my learning curve/gradient! :-P |
13:57.14 | Ch0Hag | Surely it's better fo software to soften your learning curve. |
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15:05.10 | mumper | LeedsHK: Oh no - become a nun ... |
15:06.43 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Become a mystic... |
15:07.20 | rhowe | LeedsHK: HK driving you slowly mad? :) |
15:07.43 | LeedsHK | women... |
15:07.58 | mumper | I go, dinner-wards, I leave you all in pieces, or summink - but that mystic idea - yeah ... ;) |
15:08.27 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Ah, that old chestnut |
15:08.32 | dick_turpin | :-) We aim to please, or is it please to aim? |
15:10.25 | LeedsHK | I'm getting really fed up of being a good friend |
15:10.32 | boudiccas | Please? Aim! |
15:10.48 | boudiccas | Aim PLease! |
15:11.00 | boudiccas | sausages |
15:12.30 | LeedsHK | wish I was a player... sometimes. |
15:13.05 | rhowe | LeedsHK: .hk is a pretty tough place for finding women, I'd suspect |
15:13.18 | LeedsHK | no, that's exactly the point |
15:13.29 | rhowe | LeedsHK: At least, women which last more than a few hours, and which you don't have to pay for |
15:13.41 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Well, women as in female partners |
15:13.50 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: And your problem is?? |
15:14.04 | LeedsHK | I don't seem to be able to turn around without meeting a new single attractive female person |
15:14.52 | dick_turpin | ibot: throw a rock at LeedsHK |
15:14.52 | ibot | ACTION winds up and throws a rock at LeedsHK over the moon. |
15:14.57 | rhowe | What /is/ it with mimi and the door? |
15:15.10 | LeedsHK | I seem to have become very good at making friends with single attractive female persons |
15:17.26 | rhowe | LeedsHK: To get into a relationship is generally quite a big leap for .hk women |
15:19.01 | rhowe | LeedsHK: So you either have to trick them into one, be super rich, super successful and of strong character, or find one who doesn't look for the standard set of values (money, stability, care) |
15:19.50 | rhowe | LeedsHK: The end result is that it's pretty tough getting into a stable relationship, with short term ones being relatively uncommon |
15:20.02 | LeedsHK | seems to happen for other people |
15:20.40 | rhowe | well of course the ones who make it stand out |
15:21.40 | antiphase | Depends on the Wookie quotient I expect |
15:35.19 | LeedsHK | comic books |
15:38.01 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Henti? |
15:38.27 | boudiccas | asterix |
15:38.47 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Ooh thats non PC apperently |
15:38.57 | boudiccas | but its funny |
15:39.10 | LeedsHK | Testement and Fell is what I was thinking, as a start |
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17:51.02 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Go then, what's happened now? |
17:51.25 | dick_turpin | Go on then, |
17:54.18 | LeedsHK | just Jasmine |
17:54.53 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Ooheer that sounds nice |
17:55.03 | LeedsHK | no, no |
17:55.52 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Please don't spoil the image I currently have in my head |
17:56.44 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
17:56.53 | rhowe | curious spam subject :/ |
17:56.54 | LeedsHK | very short summary: had the start of something with her back around February, until she decided I wasn't right for her... now she's got me firmly in the "just friends, can give advice on guys I like" column, while I've got her in the "I know she's told me why she isn't attracted to me, but I don't really believe it, deep down" column |
17:58.12 | LeedsHK | the 'sucker for punishment' is trying to find somewhere between not talking to each other, and her describing her deep love for a guy she's know for a few weeks and only ever met on one weekend, in so much detail that it makes me think about slitting my wrists |
18:01.03 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Tell her you saw him in a bar the other night with a shemail :-) |
18:01.20 | dick_turpin | shemale |
18:01.58 | LeedsHK | don't need to do that |
18:02.26 | LeedsHK | they spent a weekend together in .sg - where he currently lives, although he's heading back to Canada next month - a couple of weeks ago |
18:02.59 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Oh goody. Rebound job, excellant plan |
18:03.15 | LeedsHK | he spent the next weekend in Thailand with another HK girl he'd also met online... and apparently the hotel screwed up and gave them a double bed rather than two singles, and once they'd bought the condoms, they had to use the whole pack |
18:03.19 | rhowe | LeedsHK: If you don't wanna hear about him, tell her so. Tell her that you thought you were getting somewhere and that you aren't interested in how she feels about other guys and it hurts to hear it so she should stop talking about them |
18:03.27 | LeedsHK | rhowe: told her that |
18:04.06 | LeedsHK | the bit about the condoms isn't true... but he did use the line about the hotel messing up with the bed, so they had to sleep together |
18:04.41 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: And it worked? god how dumb, I'm on the next plane |
18:04.49 | rhowe | LeedsHK: *shrug* if she doesn't think she can lose you she won't try to keep you around |
18:05.03 | LeedsHK | anyway, she's not interested in me (any more) because a) I'm too fat and can't lose weight at liposurgery speeds and b) I won't eat lobster with her |
18:05.38 | LeedsHK | rhowe: I've told her that if she wants to be friends, she needs to show a little respect for my feelings - it cuts both ways |
18:06.11 | LeedsHK | essentially, we could have been together if I'd lost 50 pounds in a few weeks, and given up my religion for her |
18:06.21 | LeedsHK | anyway, it's past 2am, and I should really go to sleep |
18:06.51 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Compared to some requests, it's perhaps not so insane :P |
18:07.01 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Just mildly nuts |
18:07.02 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Things will look better in the morning, nighty night |
18:07.21 | LeedsHK | dick_turpin: doubt it... in the morning I go back to worrying about the future of my job |
18:07.31 | rhowe | LeedsHK: If it's any consolation, I've been asked for a divorce because I posted the wrong bag to someone |
18:07.48 | LeedsHK | night time is for paranoia about women, day time is for obsessing about work |
18:07.52 | LeedsHK | rhowe: uh... in a serious way? |
18:08.28 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Well, the email was phrased pretty seriously, but I soon diffused it |
18:08.52 | LeedsHK | oh, incidentally, in case you hadn't realised... I'm absolutely crap, and your postcards are sitting on my shelf... also, the bag you left here has been out enjoying the sunshine - junk boat last week, private beach this week |
18:08.56 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: You don't live in a tower block do you? Things are coming across as pretty worrying |
18:08.59 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Just her way of dealing with stress or problems - crazy nonsensical knee-jerk reactions |
18:09.13 | LeedsHK | dick_turpin: 4th floor... and rhowe knows what that means in this part of the world, I'm sure |
18:09.25 | rhowe | haha post the damn cards dude |
18:09.34 | LeedsHK | *everybody* in HK lives in a tower block - a building less than 10 stories is considered low-rise |
18:09.42 | rhowe | 4th is almost enough for an interesting pattern on the pavement |
18:09.48 | rhowe | Probably not dramatic enough though# |
18:10.01 | LeedsHK | wanted to check that there wasn't anything on them which would confuse people when they arrived a few months late? |
18:10.09 | LeedsHK | 4th floor is unlucky - 4=death |
18:10.27 | rhowe | If you were going to jump off a building, there are better places to do it than the 4th floor of a residential block |
18:10.34 | rhowe | LeedsHK: *shrug* doubt it |
18:10.39 | LeedsHK | like, say, the 26th floor of the same building? |
18:11.01 | rhowe | LeedsHK: The fact that I'm sending them postcards from HK when they've seen me only the day before in London or wherever is probably sufficient to cause confusion |
18:11.06 | rhowe | LeedsHK: 26 isn't so high |
18:11.10 | LeedsHK | heh - I'll get them sent soon |
18:11.10 | rhowe | LeedsHK: You know that :P |
18:11.18 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: Make sure you fall on her "Ha so much for overweight" |
18:11.19 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Tomorrow? |
18:11.19 | LeedsHK | oh, sure - this is quite an old building |
18:11.27 | LeedsHK | dick_turpin: good call :-) |
18:11.35 | rhowe | dick_turpin: haha |
18:11.40 | LeedsHK | rhowe: I'll do what I can - need to source some stamps from somewhere |
18:11.51 | rhowe | LeedsHK: I suggest a post office |
18:11.53 | LeedsHK | dick_turpin: I'll keep that one back as a threat for the future |
18:12.10 | LeedsHK | I'm not often near a post office |
18:12.26 | rhowe | Perhaps not accidentally |
18:12.31 | LeedsHK | would take me maybe 30 minutes to get to one and back at lunchtime |
18:12.32 | dick_turpin | Thats because they are all on the ground floor |
18:12.43 | rhowe | But if you actually intentionally positioned yourself near one, it might make acquiring stamps easier |
18:12.50 | LeedsHK | yes, true |
18:13.00 | LeedsHK | but it may make things like getting to work on time harder |
18:13.04 | rhowe | It might even be possible to get them at 7-11 or so |
18:13.25 | LeedsHK | never tried - that was my first thought, of course |
18:13.32 | LeedsHK | I spend a lot of time in 7-11 nowadays |
18:14.10 | LeedsHK | anyway, I'll do what I can - will get them sent this week, for sure... I've been working on my paperwork backlog |
18:14.18 | rhowe | alrighty |
18:15.20 | LeedsHK | and now, sleep |
18:15.39 | dick_turpin | ibot: tell LeedsHK to go to bed |
18:16.01 | dick_turpin | Bugger that didn't work then |
18:16.29 | LeedsHK | ibot: tell dick_turpin about france |
18:16.59 | rhowe | ibot tell LeedsHK about sleep |
18:17.12 | LeedsHK | rhowe: not a good message :-) |
18:17.14 | rhowe | heh |
18:17.17 | dick_turpin | LeedsHK: ere thats not fair its a pm |
18:20.09 | LeedsHK | zzzzzzzzzz |
18:20.37 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Repeat after me: ngoh seung gei jeung ming sun pin hui ying guo |
18:21.09 | rhowe | ngoh seung (I'd like to send) gei jeung ming sun pin (a postcard) hui ying guo (to England) :) |
18:21.13 | dick_turpin | rhowe: Is that rude? (Hopefully) |
18:21.47 | rhowe | Or, ngoh seung yiu di yau piu |
18:22.04 | rhowe | yau piu being stamps, apparently |
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18:22.20 | LeedsHK | rhowe: I'm not in Kowloon, you know - they speak English over here |
18:22.36 | rhowe | (no tone, 3rd tone) |
18:23.01 | rhowe | LeedsHK: True, but I'd just like you to run into a post office and yell "NGOH SEUNG YIU DI YAU PIU" and see what happens |
18:23.06 | LeedsHK | I don't do tones |
18:23.48 | rhowe | hmm |
18:24.01 | rhowe | It amuses me that they include this... |
18:24.17 | LeedsHK | doing tones would involve actually learning the language to some extent, rather than my current plan of picking up random bits of pieces here and there and expecting - and getting! - respect from Chinese friends and colleagues for knowing anything at all |
18:24.19 | rhowe | "ngoh yiu sik yau taai sik mat" |
18:24.29 | rhowe | "I'd like a kosher meal" - how many places is it even worth saying it in? |
18:25.05 | LeedsHK | there are two places in HK which serve kosher food, and they *only* serve kosher food |
18:25.11 | rhowe | Exactly |
18:25.13 | LeedsHK | of course, that is for use when booking a flight |
18:25.31 | rhowe | OK, so we have one place where it's useful, the travel agent/airline |
18:25.55 | rhowe | and two places where it's redundant :) |
18:26.02 | LeedsHK | I would also expect that almost no locals except for travel/airline agents would have a clue what it meant |
18:26.05 | rhowe | phrasebooks are so full of crap :) |
18:26.07 | rhowe | LeedsHK: Indeed |
18:26.26 | rhowe | haha |
18:26.35 | LeedsHK | based on extensive personal experience of trying to get exactly that concept across with many many people in the past 2 years :-) |
18:26.39 | rhowe | "ngoh yiu hui jau lau" |
18:26.48 | rhowe | "I'd like to go to a Chinese restaurant" |
18:26.58 | LeedsHK | you mean "a restaurant" |
18:27.03 | rhowe | If you really need assistance in HK, you're in trouble :) |
18:27.24 | LeedsHK | except in soho |
18:27.43 | rhowe | ah, there we go |
18:27.50 | rhowe | "ngoh seung hui yum cha!" |
18:28.03 | rhowe | "ngoh seung hui" seems quite useful |
18:28.07 | rhowe | "I want to go and" |
18:28.09 | LeedsHK | no thanks - far too late for yum cha |
18:28.25 | LeedsHK | be quite impressed if you could find any at 2am |
18:29.02 | rhowe | Cobble some together from 7-11? :) |
18:29.38 | rhowe | "ngoh m yiu jo sau sat" - "I don't want an operation!" |
18:39.35 | Ch0Hag | Why would a site with no ServerName or ServerAlias defined override one with? |
18:49.19 | LeedsHK | "Hong Kong ended April with 9.47 million mobile users, up from 9.36 million in March" |
18:49.36 | LeedsHK | the population is expected to hit 7 million around the end of this year |
18:50.17 | rhowe | heh |
18:51.23 | Ch0Hag | That's some impressive figure massaging. |
18:52.20 | LeedsHK | no massaging... that will be a combination of people with more than one phone, and non-residents with HK numbers |
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19:00.56 | morsing | goltor! |
19:03.31 | Ch0Hag | morsing! |
19:03.49 | morsing | Ch0Hag! |
19:04.21 | Ch0Hag | Why do you exclaim people's names so often? |
19:04.57 | morsing | Welcoming |
19:05.05 | Ch0Hag | I see. |
19:05.08 | morsing | Like giving people a hug |
19:05.22 | Ch0Hag | I don't want you to give me a hug. |
19:05.44 | hali | always welcoming |
19:06.23 | morsing | Ch0Hag: Yes you do - you just don't know it |
19:08.24 | Ch0Hag | See you scared him off. |
19:08.31 | morsing | Lovely |
19:08.34 | Ch0Hag | HE didn't want a hug. |
19:08.40 | morsing | :( |
19:08.46 | morsing | Not even from me? |
19:09.27 | morsing | :( |
19:09.31 | morsing | wethrin? |
19:36.38 | andrew__ | hi morsing |
20:01.59 | morsing | andrew__! |
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20:25.42 | clive-h | re |
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20:46.03 | Ch0Hag | HTML rendering is weird. |
20:46.19 | Ch0Hag | Surely 1em vertically should be the same as 1em horizontally/ |
20:48.46 | hali | that would be way to practical |
20:56.56 | wethrin | morsing: pong? |
20:57.05 | wethrin | goibhniu: ping? |
20:57.25 | goibhniu | hi wethrin |
20:57.28 | wethrin | hi |
20:57.33 | wethrin | Video editing sounds good |
20:58.05 | goibhniu | cool, cinelerra and some stuff about the digital tipping point |
20:58.24 | goibhniu | I've been tipping around with it for a while, but I ain't no pro or anything |
20:58.34 | goibhniu | any idea when? |
21:02.14 | wethrin | September sometime. Need to see what else I'm doing, and will arrange around that |
21:07.20 | goibhniu | super |
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22:30.13 | Ch0Hag | How is sasl's ssf worked out? |