IRC log for #gllug on 20070723

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05:10.06morsingclive-h!
05:10.09morsingmylesbraithwaite!
05:18.19clive-hMorning
05:37.32morsingAnyone here use cPanel?
05:37.36morsing'morning clive-h
05:48.13morsingAnyone here use cPanel?
05:49.24morsingibot TwoSheds
05:49.25ibotmethinks twosheds is the lucky owner of two sheds, or a character in a Monty Python sketch
05:49.49morsingibot Carly
05:54.03z00daxhali: have 1 machine, which is being used to build stuff on - can always do with another where we can setup some test stuff
05:54.11z00daxmorsing: check it!
05:54.44z00daxmorsing: I've not used cPanel myself, but know lots of people in hosting companies who do - and they all hate it - even the service providers, its one massive security hole
06:05.26morsingz00dax: Thanks. Friend has been hassling me about installing it but I suppose that's a "no" then ;-)
06:15.16morsingz00dax: How's the weather?
06:27.21morsingping wethrin
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06:55.36morsingniv_one_three!
06:55.49morsingDebian developers suck!
06:56.38niv_one_threetook me 3 min to secure surfing from wrok by using my home pc as a proxy via ssh
06:57.13niv_one_threeIt took me a year and a half to do this :-(
07:27.31z00daxmorsing: weather is awesome!
07:27.48z00daxis been between 20 - 27 Deg here since i got here, with the odd rain to keep things nice
07:28.06z00daxplus, being home with parents and sister and her family is soo cool!
07:28.19haliz00dax: i saw a sort of interesting ebay ad, 10 itanium server for something like £175 buy it now... but no disk, no ram
07:51.27z00daxhali: sounds a bit mad, know the specs
07:51.29z00dax?
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07:56.36halidell 3250's, i rememberd the price wrong... £1750
07:56.43halidual 1.4ghz
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08:05.34morsingAnneC!
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08:06.43morsingAnneC!
08:06.55AnneCmorsing!
08:07.03morsingHow do I get grub to overwrite the lilo mbr?
08:07.25niv_one_threemorsing: run grub
08:07.32niv_one_threeand tell it to install
08:07.49niv_one_threeit will surly override th mbr
08:08.21morsingThere's a command called grub-install?
08:13.03morsingniv_one_three?
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08:22.26morsingSlayerXP: How do I know if I'm using hotplug or udev?
08:23.57SlayerXPpsa auxw | grep udev
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08:24.45antiphaseIt's a travesty when Google goes away on a Monday morning
08:25.12jcookemanantiphase: huh?
08:25.20jcookemanhali: you awake?
08:25.52morsinghuw-l!
08:26.07morsingSlayerXP: Ok, I'm not. How do I know if I'm using devfs?
08:26.52morsingSlayerXP: If I reboot my system now, will it come up?
08:27.13cpufreakjcookeman: I think ant is referring to: http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/bart.gif
08:28.56morsingHELP!
08:29.31morsingSlayerXP: I've upgraded the Debian kernel, run grub, run dist-upgrade
08:29.35morsingWill it work?
08:32.36jcookemancpufreak: yeah I'm not awake yet
08:32.46niv_one_threehrw: no I suggest you run grub
08:32.56niv_one_threeinside the grub prompt install it
08:33.09niv_one_threesorry ment morsing
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09:05.20jcookemanibot: wake me up
09:05.25ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on me up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
09:05.48halijcookeman: yo, awake
09:06.11jcookemandid you get that link I sent you about oracle licensing
09:15.09Ch0HagQuick question: AIT or DLT?
09:21.50SlayerXPneither.  hang yourself with a nice stout hemp rope instead.
09:22.02jcookemanCh0Hag: dont you wish answers were that easy
09:22.17SlayerXPor perhaps you were asking for some other unspecified reason.
09:30.33haliCh0Hag: LTO
09:31.50antiphaseLTO 4tw
09:34.49huw-lwhen dealing with tapes there is not win there is only minimising the lose.
09:35.00huw-ls/not/no/
09:35.44halihuw-l: what?!
09:35.54halihuw-l: tape is hundreds of times more reliable than disk
09:36.18halii've never even seen a failed LTO tape
09:36.31haliwe're not talking QIC-80 or DDS here
09:37.55huw-lI was merely suggesting that dealing with a tape infrastructure is always an unpleasant experience, I wasn't saying they were unreliable (although tape robots can find a milliion and one interesting ways to fail)
09:39.47antiphaseIt's irritating and slow, but somewhat peerless when it comes to storage capacity and portability
09:42.28halii find lto pretty quick
09:43.13hali80meg/sec (or even more these days i think) is faster than most disk arrays we have
09:43.27haliat least when we are talking nearstore arrays
09:43.41halii just like tape, it's simple and easy
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09:56.41jcookemanhali: I sent you a link about the Oracle question I had. According to Oracle's licensing docs, ASM is mandatory in RAC SE.
09:57.13cpufreakjust because you license it, doesnt mean you have to use it.
09:57.39cpufreakoracle's docs also suggest using ocfs2
09:57.53cpufreakbut thats about as much use as a chocolate johnnie
10:02.15murbhali: your raid arrays don't do 80meg a second? what are they?
10:02.36murbI found 2 cheapo 7.2krpm sata disks in a raid0 can easily push 100meg/sec
10:03.01murb(so we'll start needing faster than 1gb network interfaces... )
10:03.29cpufreakit depends what you're doing with the data murb, innit
10:03.34cpufreakand what the data is.
10:03.41cpufreakanything can be fast in large sequential transfers
10:03.45murbyeah
10:03.55murbwell i thoguht whey were talking about backups
10:04.16cpufreakoh right
10:04.18cpufreakI didnt' scroll up
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10:08.06tripitakaanyone here speak procmail?
10:08.22tripitakajoin #procmail
10:08.24tripitakaoops
10:11.15antiphaseUse Exim
10:14.20tripitakanot an option
10:14.39cpufreakit is an option.
10:14.51cpufreakwhether its a viable option is another matter.
10:14.58cpufreakbut you can't just say its not an option, when it clearly is an option.
10:15.11cpufreakand it probably is a viable one, if you stop and think about it.
10:15.48antiphaseI think I'd write myself a perl script to do what I needed if procmail ever became required
10:16.10antiphaseIt is in the same league of creaky ancient nonsense as sendmail
10:16.17cpufreakeximfilter 4tw
10:19.28murbexim also does sieve nowdays.
10:25.32jcookemancpufreak: oracle licensing states it is mandatory to use ASM on RAC SE for data files, etc
10:26.14cpufreakits a licensing limitation, not a technical one. Its just so they can charge you more.
10:26.24jcookemanYes, I agree
10:26.38jcookemanIt's never been a technical question
10:26.44tripitakawell, I can't replace sendmail as the MTA on this machine
10:27.13tripitakaprocmail, .forward or perling the spool file..
10:27.26cpufreaktripitaka: .forward to a box runnning exim.
10:27.56cpufreakjcookeman: they will support you in my experience even if you don't follow what their licences say to the letter.
10:28.13cpufreakonly risk is sometimes they might want to charge more for the privilege of supporting you.
10:28.15tripitakait's a server running sendmail with phone lines attached, I want to forward nagios mail subject lines to an SMS provider
10:28.28jcookemancpufreak: thanks
10:28.47cpufreaktripitaka: so put exim on port 2525, and have your .forward, forward to that.
10:28.49cpufreak:D
10:29.03cpufreakor just have your .forward calla perl script to submit the smses
10:29.15cpufreakbased on the subject.
10:29.33tripitakahmm, I'll give .forward another go
10:40.22jcookemananyone want to recommend an iscsi hba for RHEL/Netapp?
10:40.37jcookemanwould like multipath
10:40.46jcookemanand copper
10:51.49antiphaseLinux and iSCSI? Ha
10:55.22jcookemanwhy not?
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11:05.46jcookemanlooks like multipath is a not so easy to get with hba
11:12.05antiphaseUse Fibrechannel
11:12.42antiphaseAt least support for it is working andd stable
11:12.54antiphaseI believe iSCSI support is good under Windows ;)
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14:15.00jcookemanhali: you around?
14:15.21halijcookeman: yo
14:16.01jcookemanso, can you help me understand RAC a bit
14:16.08jcookemanI understand that we need shared storage.
14:16.23jcookemanIf I'm using Netapp, obviously NFS is shared storage, but what are the complications with iSCSI?
14:17.26halinot much really
14:17.53haliasuming you use rhel4 it should be quite straight forward
14:18.17haliyou'd need to setup ocfs2 for the ocr repo and voting disk, and something like ASM for the datafiles
14:18.30halior you could use raw to avoid ocfs but thats a bit messy
14:18.52jcookemanwhy ocfs?
14:19.01haliyou can't have ocr/voting on asm
14:19.07halisince asm is an oracle instance in itself
14:19.09jcookemancant we just use db files on nfs
14:19.17haliyou can
14:19.36halii thought you wanted 100% iscsi, if you have the nfs license thats even better
14:20.18jcookemanyes we have NFS license
14:20.35jcookemanI only wanted iSCSI because we are bound to ASM by license.
14:20.42jcookemanbut I think I've had enough
14:21.01halii still think thats crap :)
14:21.04jcookemanit's a ridiculous setup
14:21.05tripitakaI ran into a problem with raw drives on iscsi - the vote and ocr devices would come up as random /dev/sd[?] devices, depending on the order in which they were discovered on boot
14:21.19tripitakacouldn't use e2label, as there's no filesystem
14:21.21jcookemanDude, it's not crap. I read it for myself
14:21.34haliim not going to change anything here
14:21.43tripitakaBut you can do something with udev to fix it
14:21.58halitripitaka: or just put ocfs2 on them and label that
14:22.26jcookemanIs it crap? Yes it is. Only for the fact Oracle licensing is crap.
14:22.29halibut it is pretty annoying how the device naming works in linux
14:22.36jcookemanibot: piss on oracle licensing
14:22.37ibotACTION pisses on oracle licensing
14:22.55halii think oracle licensing is pretty ok these days, except for that thing then
14:23.06haliif it is indeed true, i refuse to beleive it
14:23.21tripitakahaven't tried ocfs2. how is it to set up compared to gfs?
14:24.18jcookemanhttp://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/B19306_01/license.102/b14199/options.htm#CJAHAGJE\
14:24.50jcookemanget rid of that trailing \
14:25.16halitripitaka: it's much better, at least for oracle... mature and fast
14:27.29jcookemanOracle Standard Edition and Oracle Real Application Clusters (Oracle RAC)
14:27.29jcookemanThe license restrictions for Standard Edition must be adhered to. The maximum number of CPUs defined is for the entire cluster; it is not a per node maximum.
14:27.29jcookemanOracle Clusterware is required; third-party clusterware is not permitted.
14:27.29jcookemanAutomatic Storage Management (ASM) is required for the storage of:
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14:27.31tripitakahali: How about locking? Do you still need the three lockd nodes Oracle recommend?
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14:27.55jcookemanRAW disk partitions are required for:
14:27.57tripitakamore pls
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14:28.00antiphaseWTF
14:28.03jcookeman<PROTECTED>
14:28.05jcookeman<PROTECTED>
14:28.07haliyes we can read on the link you pasted
14:28.07jcookemanLocal storage must be used for:
14:28.09jcookeman<PROTECTED>
14:28.09antiphaseWTF
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14:28.21jcookemanoops..didn't know it would follow crlf...
14:28.47antiphaseThat was a serious pasting infraction
14:29.11jcookemanoh Im sorry
14:29.19jcookemandidnt' know it would crash someone's computer
14:29.41halijcookeman: what? no idea what you mean
14:29.52dick_turpinYeah stop it my Pidgin flashed 30,000 times then I thought it was a nuclear attack
14:29.54jcookemanno I'm just being pedantic
14:29.56jcookemanthat's all
14:30.05haligulm nodes as in gfs?
14:30.23halithere are no separate lockd nodes in rac
14:30.47haliyou have DLM on all nodes
14:32.09haliand lmon,lmd,lms etc
14:33.14jcookemanhali: we have an Oracle dba, but sometimes I dont believe him
14:33.35halii usually think DBA's are weird and wrong most of the time
14:33.36jcookemanI'm just trying to figure out if we can use all these files over nfs without some volume manager
14:33.47halithe best 'dba' is a good sysadmin with oracle skills
14:34.29jcookemanhali: You're very right
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14:34.48morsinggoibhniu!
14:34.54morsingping SlayerXP
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14:35.32morsingclive-h!
14:35.41clive-hhi
14:35.47dick_turpinmorsing: Wadda about me?
14:36.10morsingclive-h: After upgrading Debian to etch BIND won't accept recursive queries on 127.0.0.1
14:36.13morsingdick_turpin!
14:36.22morsingdick_turpin: After upgrading Debian to etch BIND won't accept recursive queries on 127.0.0.1
14:36.24dick_turpinmorsing: :-*
14:36.38morsingAND WHAT ABOUT ME!
14:36.44morsingNo-one greeted me :(
14:36.56clive-hI don't know anything about debian
14:37.10morsingGingerDog: After upgrading Debian to etch BIND won't accept recursive queries on 127.0.0.1
14:37.17morsingsanelson: After upgrading Debian to etch BIND won't accept recursive queries on 127.0.0.1
14:37.32GingerDogmorsing: why do you think i can answer your problem?
14:37.52clive-hIt's gonna depend on your named.conf
14:37.55morsingGingerDog: Because you're so smart and have helped me in the past
14:37.57dick_turpinmorsing: I am now taking a large whip to my nether regions for failing to greet you
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14:38.02morsingclive-h: It hasn't changed
14:38.15morsingAnneC: After upgrading Debian to etch BIND won't accept recursive queries on 127.0.0.1
14:38.17GingerDogmorsing: man bind; read /usr/share/doc/bind ? etc ?
14:38.32morsingGingerDog: It's worked for years... Nothings changed
14:38.44GingerDogmorsing: that kind of behaviour is very annoying (using peoples names in an attempt to get htem to answer your random question they probably know nothing about)
14:38.48dick_turpinGingerDog: Cos you are the all knowing sage oh wise one ;-)
14:38.57morsingGingerDog: I know :)
14:39.10GingerDogand saying "Nothings changed" is a lie, as you said you UPGRADED TO ETCH
14:39.21clive-hWhat do the logs say?
14:39.23GingerDoghave you fucking googled it?
14:39.23morsingGingerDog: :)
14:39.36morsingGingerDog: I don't Google - I Leeds!
14:40.32morsingclive-h: Jul 23 15:38:03 emil named[12385]: denied recursion for query from [127.0.0.1].32920 for hades.eco.li IN
14:42.17clive-hHmmm are the forwarders correct?
14:44.07morsingclive-h: Don't have forwarders
14:45.26jcookemanallow-recursion { 127.0.0.1; };
14:47.55antiphasePeople that don't Google can eat my ass
14:49.37jcookemanhali: that's nasty!
14:49.42jcookemanibot spank hali
14:49.42ibotACTION bends hali over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on hali's pasty white buttocks.
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14:58.59morsingAnneC!
14:59.05morsingProblem solved
14:59.34dick_turpinmorsing: What you've eaten antiphase?
15:01.12morsingIn the older versions of BIND (pre-8.4.7) the ACLs were defined in named.conf *after* named.conf.options were included. In this new version it didn't understand that when trying to use an ACL inside named.conf.options
15:02.05morsingOpen source developers sucks! IBM would never do anything like that
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15:03.34goibhniumorsing!
15:04.55morsinggoibhniu: People were being mean to me earlier :(
15:05.40dick_turpingoibhniu: Don't hug him back with all the ass he's eaten he's bound to have wind!
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15:05.58morsingAnneC1
15:06.32morsinggoibhniu?
15:09.43goibhniumorsing: they don't mean to be mean, they just don't understand the level of support you're used to
15:16.19jcookemanmorsing: I assume this isn't a production box?
15:18.08morsingjcookeman: It is sort of
15:18.18morsingjcookeman: Well, it is - why?
15:18.33morsinggoibhniu: I've been spoilt be IBM :)
15:18.44jcookemandidn't you detect this anomaly before you upgraded a production box>?
15:18.51jcookemanon a test system?
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15:20.08morsingjcookeman: Let me explain... The Debian developers, without telling me, had repointed "main" to a new repository hence breaking my package system when I installed a package this morning.
15:20.29morsingThe upgarde was definately an emergncy upgrade - not something I'd normally do
15:20.33morsingmylesbraithwaite!
15:20.39jcookemanso you run HEAD?
15:20.43morsingHEAD?
15:20.52jcookemanwhat is their MAIN branch?
15:20.53morsingNo - TAIL
15:21.16morsingjcookeman: No - idea. Debian naming schemes suck
15:21.36jcookemanhmm
15:21.38jcookemaninteresting
15:21.56morsingIs it? I just think it sucks
15:22.30morsingIt wasn't what I was planning to do at 8am this morning over breakfast
15:22.33jcookemanI dont do the debian thing
15:22.38jcookemanso dont know
15:23.00morsingGood for you :)
15:24.14morsingAnyway... Most things seem to work, apart from Smokeping saying it can't find CGI::Carp
15:25.58jcookemaneven though apt is probably the best package management tool in Linux
15:26.22dick_turpinpacman :-P
15:27.47boudiccasyum
15:28.06clive-hI like yum
15:28.15boudiccasyum is the bees knees
15:30.21dick_turpinboudiccas: Did you know yum is now officially supported in openSUSE, thank god they dropped the bloody awful ZMD
15:30.50boudiccasi thought suse and its derivatvies used yast
15:32.57dick_turpinboudiccas: Yes its still there, they flirted with ZMD but it took 1/2 an hour plus for the synchronisation so its dropped but now they have given the ability to use Yum and I think apt as an alternative to Yast
15:33.19boudiccasah, i see
15:33.27boudiccasits raining!
15:34.05Leedsbut... I thought the UK was having an unusually dry summer?
15:34.17clive-hDry?
15:34.21AnneC*fnar*
15:34.22boudiccasha!
15:34.30clive-hThere's massive flooding
15:34.46jcookemanyeah, it rained for 10 minutes and they call that flooding
15:34.54AnneCM4 blocked for hours last friday evening
15:34.54clive-hTewkesbury is cut off
15:35.06AnneCMaidenhead town centre was a lake
15:35.40antiphaseHampton is cut off, you'll have to take the chopper </finbarr saunders>
15:36.12dick_turpinDry here
15:42.24Ch0HagWhy does yum exist?
15:50.19rhoweTo increase the number of Debian users
15:50.38rhoweAh no, sorry, that's up2date
15:51.05murbrhowe: rh are moving to yum now.
15:51.45rhowemurb: heh, good.
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16:14.25morsingrhowe!
16:16.09rhowehey henrik
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18:45.36morsingzachary!
18:45.48morsingrhowe: Have you booked a room yet?
18:46.17rhowemorsing: Probably gonna stay with my parents
18:47.53zacharyHey morsing, rhowe. Feeling the floods?
18:48.09rhowezachary: Not really
18:48.31morsingzachary: Flood of stress caused by Postfix mail directories with incorrect permissions
18:48.46morsingrhowe: Can we stay with them as well?
18:48.47zacharyThe places they are showing look pretty bad.
18:49.08rhowemorsing: Mum says you can pitch a tent in the garden if you wish
18:49.18rhowemorsing: But it's a bit of a trek from Castleton - 20mins drive or so
18:50.12zacharyI guess I should show some compassion and offer my spare room to anyone who needs it, but that's going to be quite a comute across the pond.
18:50.55morsingzachary: When can I visit?>
18:51.04morsingrhowe: Even in a red car?
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18:51.16zacharymorsing: anytime!
18:51.20morsingrhowe: Can I pitch stuff from the fridge as well?
18:51.33morsingzachary: Really?
18:51.37morsingdick_turpin!
18:51.47morsingdick_turpin zachary zachary dick_turpin
18:51.53morsingHave you met?
18:51.54dick_turpinmorsing: You still hungry?
18:51.59morsingdick_turpin: Always
18:51.59rhowemorsing: Don't see why not
18:52.03morsingrhowe: :)
18:52.21morsingrhowe: What are the perms on the postfix spool dirs supposed to be>?
18:52.23rhowemorsing: Near a river?
18:52.26rhowemorsing: nfi
18:52.34morsingrhowe: Behave
18:53.59dick_turpinboudiccas:
18:54.58zacharyAnyone seen highbury lately?
18:57.36morsingzachary: highbury?
18:57.52zacharyhighbury = steve cobrin
18:58.01morsingHe's rarely here
18:58.10morsingCobrin - didn't know that
18:58.15morsingboudiccas!
18:58.35zacharystarting an uprising?
18:59.45zacharybbl, need to get ready to take my daughter to ballet class.
19:03.24morsingping SlayerXP
19:03.27morsingping wethrin
19:04.12dick_turpinHa looks like your stuck with me :-P
19:15.08sanelsonping wethrin
19:15.31haliping pong
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20:14.41morsingsabinef72!
20:14.53sabinef72hi morsing
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