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02:18.20boudiccaswethrin; whats happening on thursday?
04:46.20morsingboudiccas!
04:54.18morsingmurb?
04:54.25morsinggw280!
05:04.16morsingAnyone awake?
05:27.35londonmet050yes
05:27.39londonmet050i am
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08:11.44morsingAnneC!
08:11.56AnneChello morsing
08:12.09morsingHow are you
08:12.18morsinglondonmet050!
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10:24.57wethrinboudiccas: Beer festival!
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10:33.37phearlesshello folks !
10:35.30wethrinwhatho!
11:02.11Leedswhy is facebook telling me that one of my friends in HK is attending GBBF?
11:02.24wethrinMaybe they're in London at that time?
11:02.48Leedsshe really isn't - she's also not attending
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11:07.19wethrinhmm
11:08.04phearlessfacebook is evil
11:08.17wethrintisn't!
11:08.24gw280FACEBOOK IS FANTASTIC
11:08.32gw280I fucking wish I'd thought of it :P
11:08.57Leedsit's actually pretty well done, most of the time, although the applications thing is still a bit of a zoo
11:09.18phearlessit looks for me like a big waste of time to use it
11:09.54Leedsphearless: it sounds like it is - but it isn't
11:10.08phearlessgive me an example
11:10.14phearlessfor events ?
11:10.44Leedsfor keeping in touch with people... for events, both pre- and post-
11:12.35phearlessto keep in touch... but i've got email/msn/phone
11:12.43phearlessto contact my friends
11:12.59phearlessand I don't really care to find some old school mates
11:13.45gw280Leeds!
11:14.31goibhniuphearless: I gather the idea is that you see that people who know people you know are going to an event ... and then you can bother them
11:14.59phearlessi don't want people to know that i will go to an event
11:15.10goibhniuI went to one event this year
11:15.36wethrinphearless: Surely depends on the event?
11:15.46Leedsand the people
11:16.01wethrinIf I don't like the people, I wouldn't go to the event
11:16.13goibhniuphearless: I think it's mainly for selling your body
11:17.03phearlesswhen I go to an event like a festival or a carnival, I just let know my friends
11:17.24phearlessI don't need to know that an old schoolmate will be there as well
11:17.38phearlessand I don't need to tell to all my friends that I will be there
11:18.32goibhniuwhat I hate about it is that people I know keep asking me to be friends but the link in the email gets me to my profile page ... I can't figure out how to add them except by searching for them and requesting them to add me
11:19.05wethrinUm. They should request to add you, and you can just confirm that
11:19.10Leedsgoibhniu: uh... there'll be a link on the side of the homepage to outstanding friend requests
11:19.21goibhniuI could never find it
11:19.30wethrinTop right of the home page
11:19.35goibhniunada
11:20.11goibhniuLeeds: can you tell me a funky way to have a persistent dirstack?
11:20.32Leedsgoibhniu: what the fuck is a dirstack?
11:20.51Leedssorry, that came out a bit harsh :-)
11:20.53goibhniuwhen you use pushd to change directory
11:20.58goibhniu:D
11:21.07LeedsI don't use pushd to change directories - I use cd
11:21.30goibhniuit's good to know that there should be a link to add friends like that through facebook ... it sounds like my one is just broken
11:22.03goibhniuI often have to flick between a couple of deep dirs ... pushd rocks
11:22.18Leedsgoibhniu: if you go to http://www.facebook.com/home.php? - assuming you're logged in - you should see "Requests" "Status Updates" "Birthdays" and so on as headings down the right-hand column
11:22.27Leedscd - works for me :-)
11:22.37goibhniuI could write a script to pushd a set of dirs ... but I thought there must be one already
11:23.53goibhniuhow odd ... I have a request indeed ... although I know 1 other person also requested and I don't have their request
11:24.44goibhniumaybe from another email address?
11:24.59wethrinit should still appear in the FB homepage
11:25.07wethrinJoin the Gllug group, anyway!
11:26.21goibhniucool ... I'm in!
11:26.25goibhniu:D
11:26.41wethrinrar
11:26.55goibhniuI guess people are requesting on my yahoo account and I have only registered my gmail address or something
11:27.01goibhniuI guess that's reasonable
11:27.15wethrineven so, it should be on the homepage
11:28.17goibhniu... in a perfect world
11:28.25goibhniuphearless: you can be my friend if you like
11:28.29Leedsnearly time for me to head towards the pub quiz... David, Jonny, Ling and probably Vicki will be there - I know, because they said so on facebook ;-)
11:29.34phearlessgoibhniu: when I will be on facebook, maybe ;)
11:29.55goibhniusome day we may meet up in the supermarket
11:30.53Leedsas a matter of principle, I only add friends who are actually people I've met properly at least once
11:31.55goibhniuare you saying people on irc don't really exist?
11:32.50wethrinthey don't
11:33.02wethrinWe're a figment of each other's imagination
11:39.00goibhniuwe sure smell a lot less
11:42.24wethrinSo....does anyone happen to have a Linksys WRT54... going spare?
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11:51.52dick_turpinecho aaahhh
11:55.10goibhniuaaahhh .... aahh ... ah ..
11:55.29dick_turpingoibhniu: echo Ooohhhh
11:56.39goibhniubaby!
11:57.05dick_turpingoibhniu: Not yet you sod. echo Ooohhh
11:58.17goibhniuoh
11:58.34dick_turpingoibhniu: echo Ah
11:58.49goibhniuah
11:58.52goibhniu?
11:59.14goibhniudick_turpin: don't drop a for loop on me now!
11:59.21dick_turpingoibhniu: Just do it echo ah
12:00.17goibhniuno way
12:00.31dick_turpingoibhniu: Go on you know you like it
12:01.11dick_turpingoibhniu: Its 'The Game' sort of
12:02.47goibhniudick_turpin: you work for the govenment don't you!
12:03.07dick_turpingoibhniu: I am the Government :-)
12:03.22goibhniudick_turpin: I'm not gonna fight your dirty wars
12:04.13dick_turpingoibhniu: You've spoilt it now you Muppet. The punch line would have been "Baby please don't go" Ray Charles I think?
12:04.51goibhniuclever ... tooo clever
12:05.28dick_turpingoibhniu: "Gaze upon my works and weep" :-P
12:07.10goibhniudick_turpin: you've got a guitar playing in my mind ... how do you do that!
12:09.04dick_turpin"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
12:09.05dick_turpin"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
12:09.41dick_turpingoibhniu: Voodoo
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13:47.50phearless<goibhniu> are you saying people on irc don't really exist? > they are all ghosts of the Internets
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13:54.58dick_turpinhttp://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/3109YJWS98L._SS500_.jpg
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15:10.21Ch0HagIs it only coincidence that Bachelor of Science is an acronym of another, more colloquial, phrase/
15:10.39murb<PROTECTED>
15:10.46Ch0HagBS
15:11.10gw280Ch0Hag: only in America.
15:11.30Ch0HagWell American or not, it makes a lot more sense.
15:11.41gw280who cares, I'm getting a BA
15:11.43Ch0HagConsidering the aptitude of your average BSc.
15:12.35gw280then I'm getting an MA
15:14.55Ch0HagIn?
15:17.08murbCh0Hag: just by his continued existance.
15:17.29Ch0HagAn MA in existing?
15:17.38Ch0HagFrom WTFU?
15:19.02gw280Ch0Hag: Computer Science
15:19.31Ch0HagOh.
15:19.33Ch0HagYou poor soul.
15:20.43gw280howso?
15:21.56gw280murb: not *just* for existing
15:22.51murbgw280: nearly.
15:22.57murband we have to upset Ch0Hag as much as possible.
15:23.09murbor are you planning on failing?
15:23.34gw280why would I want to fail?
15:23.47gw280I managed to pass this year and miss 230 out of 240 lectures though :)
15:24.13Ch0HagAh. With as low an attendance rate as that you could end up doing OK after all.
15:24.24gw280Ch0Hag: ?
15:24.39gw280murb: let's take guesses :D
15:24.41Ch0HagOn an unrelated note, what utter git invented the web forum?
15:24.53murbgw280: oh i parsed that as missed 230 out of 240 lecturers
15:25.04murband wndered what had happened to your marksmenship skills.
15:25.35Ch0HagThey have to be the most ugly, convoluted and irritating interface it is possible to present text in.
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15:27.56Ch0HagNot telling.
15:28.02gw280Ch0Hag: do you have a BSc then?
15:28.18Ch0HagNope.
15:28.26gw280BA?
15:28.34Ch0HagI may get a degree one day, but I don't feel any particular urgency.
15:28.39gw280I see.
15:28.44gw280BAs are clearly the best degrees
15:29.12Ch0HagClearly.
15:29.28gw280well, my uni doesn't even offer BSc
15:29.29gw280so blargh
15:29.37Ch0HagWhich is that?
15:29.57gw280fenland polytechnic
15:30.37Ch0HagFenland? Sounds like something out of a novel.
15:31.02Ch0Hags/novel/Fantasy novel/
15:31.17gw280heh
15:31.23Ch0Hags{something}{something else}
15:31.28Ch0HagHah!
15:31.33Ch0HagCh0Hag 1, ibot 0
15:31.52gw280...
15:32.17Ch0Hagibot bugs me.
15:32.54gw280I think I may go to lectures next year
15:41.28murbgw280: do you get an extra loan to cover the bug spray?
15:41.36gw280murb: ?
15:41.41gw280I don't have any student loans
15:43.15Ch0HagI have three days to implement an SMTP relay.
15:43.17Ch0HagEasy money > *
15:43.33gw280being paid to work on open source > *
15:43.50Ch0HagДа.
15:45.20murbCh0Hag: so are chatting on irc instead?
15:45.42Ch0HagSomething like that.
15:47.13Ch0HagActually right now I'm just wasting time on IRC and Nethack, but I plan to use the time to make products better than the products this guy is paying me for.
15:48.53Ch0HagThen I'll end up with software which take a fraction of the time to create, install and maintain as his, and by extension be have greater success.
15:49.06Ch0HagUnfortunately he has something I lack, which is the ability to find customers.
15:49.20gw280maybe you should go to university? :P
15:49.53Ch0HagDoesn't seem productive enough.
15:50.03murbCh0Hag: you have plenty of time to work.
15:50.10murbif you wish.
15:50.32Ch0HagFrom what I've seen, you end up stuck either in academia or corporate hell.
15:50.36gw280Ch0Hag: depends which university you go to
15:51.14gw280I thoroughly recommend fenland poly
15:51.39Ch0HagIt's rather a long way away.
15:52.21gw280it is?
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16:00.07boudiccasgeorge, is 'fenland poly' in cambridge?
16:04.59gw280boudiccas: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Fenland+polytechnic
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16:36.33phearless...
16:36.43phearlessI would like to switch to a contractor job
16:37.04phearlessinstead of a non-contractor job (i do not know the proper word)
16:37.23phearlessso I could get some long holidays between 2 contracts
16:37.26murbphearless: you are employed on an interdimnate contract?
16:37.27phearlesswhat do you think about it ?
16:37.37murbphearless: or long holidays when you need the money to eat.
16:37.58phearlessit's no problem
16:38.12phearlessi can go to poland or some weird countries during holidays and spend nothing
16:38.23phearlessand contractors are more paid than non-contractors
16:39.10murband have more paper work to deal with.
16:39.23murband more working looking for work.
16:39.37phearlessi don't mind about this
16:39.46phearlessfree time is far far far more important for me
16:40.14phearlessand if i've got a good back-track i can find with no problems others contracts (i think)
16:41.07murbwhat do you do in an economic downtern?
16:41.11murburn
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16:55.51phearless<PROTECTED>
16:55.55murbturn
16:56.02phearlessi look for a contract :D
16:56.12murblike if n obody is hiring.
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17:01.51phearlessI use my saved money...
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17:05.14phearlessanybody is a contractor here?
17:09.37gw280http://blog.gwright.org.uk/articles/2007/08/07/webkit-and-the-n800
17:15.29phearlessnice
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17:57.32wethrinboo hiss at freenode
17:59.47morsingwethrin!
17:59.52morsingwethrin: What's up?
18:00.02morsingwethrin: I'm going to cut my hair off now
18:00.17wethrinLong-haired hippy!
18:00.24morsingwethrin: I'm bringing Matt to the CAMRA thingy and crashing at his place after
18:00.36morsingIs Evil Dave coming?
18:00.39wethrinWell, calkins.freenode, which is one of their only two IPv6 servers has gone down again
18:00.51wethrinThis really isn't a good advertisement to encourage the use of IPv6!
18:00.56wethrinWhich Matt?
18:01.00wethrinDon't think EvilDave will be there
18:01.10morsingMatt Potter
18:01.24wethrindo I know him?
18:02.05morsingwethrin: Don't know... Would you?
18:02.15wethrinDon't think I know him
18:02.21morsing'k
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18:06.38wethrinAnneC!
18:07.08morsingAnneC!
18:08.12wethrinmorsing! I got an invoice from Bluelinux!
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18:11.41Kittywethrin: what do you have with bluelinux ?
18:12.30wethrinhades
18:12.34wethrin(colo box)
18:13.15morsingKitty!
18:13.21Kittyaah
18:13.40morsingKitty: You coming to the Peak District this weekend?
18:14.05Kittywasn't aware of anything happening specifically in the peak district this weekend
18:14.21wethrinyou're not on the Gllug Social mailing list, then
18:14.23morsingKitty: Beer hiking
18:14.30morsingKitty: You should be
18:14.35KittyI am not on any gllug lists
18:14.43Kittyand I am in the netherlands these days
18:14.50morsingSounds nice
18:18.00gw280I HATE YOU ALL
18:18.20gw280wethrin: you missed my blog of winning
18:19.08wethrinIt'll be on my rss feeds, then
18:19.38gw280wethrin: heh
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18:28.19morsinggoibhniu!
18:28.23morsinggw280: You suck
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18:28.40morsingAnneC_!
18:29.07morsing:(
18:30.32morsingwethrin?
18:30.38wethrin?
18:31.26wethrinmorsing: yes?
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18:33.13morsingHow Toby?
18:33.15morsingAnneC_!
18:33.19wethrinhe's fine
18:33.26morsingGood :)
18:33.34morsingWhen's his birthday?
18:33.40wethrinNo-one knows
18:33.44morsing:(
18:33.50morsingSo he gets no presents?
18:33.50wethrinFebruary sometime, possibly
18:33.55morsingExcept for X-mas?
18:34.43wethrinwhen it was my mum's birthday, he got slightly disturbed that she got presents and he didn't. He was very happy with a biscuit wrapped in some paper
18:35.36morsing:D
18:35.49morsingwethrin: Can I quote you on that?
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18:35.53morsingAnneC!
18:36.01wethrinSure
18:36.48morsingThere's hair in my bed
18:36.57wethrinvacuum cleaner
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18:43.49morsingAnneC!
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19:00.52Ch0Hagmorsing you worry me.
19:27.53morsingCh0Hag: I do?
19:28.25morsingCh0Hag: How so?
19:29.08morsingMy apologies I looked at another company's P32. Your payment was  �3.56. If
19:29.08morsingyou have paid it, fine.
19:29.12morsingBLIMEY!!!
19:29.27morsingI had two colleagues scratching their heads over this!!!!
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19:30.07morsingAnneC!
19:30.18morsingHow do I edit a Wikipedia article?
19:30.25morsingWill it go for approval?
19:31.30morsingHello?
19:34.38goltor?olleH
19:34.46morsinggoltor?
19:34.49morsinggoltor: How?
19:34.54morsingibot goltor
19:35.04morsingibot goltor is the mighty one
19:35.04ibotmorsing: okay
19:35.05clive-hwtf?
19:35.05morsingibot goltor
19:35.06ibotmethinks goltor is the mighty one
19:35.11morsingclive-h?
19:35.19morsingclive-h: Do you know?
19:35.22clive-hno
19:35.27morsingclive-h: Thanks
19:36.00goltorme neither
19:36.47morsingHmm...
19:36.52morsingping rhowe
19:37.14morsingGingerDog: How do I edit a Wikipedia article?
19:37.29clive-hThat is so annoying
19:37.54clive-hCan you not just stop that and go and read how to edit wikipedia?
19:38.21morsingWhat is annoying?
19:38.43clive-hAsk everyone directly for help
19:38.47morsingWhat is the point of being here?
19:39.37clive-hMost people don't spend all their time here asking for random help
19:39.54morsingRandom?
19:40.07clive-hyes random
19:40.12morsingSo what do people spend all their time here doing?
19:43.51clive-hWorking, playing, etc
19:43.54clive-hI guess
19:44.25morsingIn IRC?
19:45.03clive-hI've worked at places where IRC was an approved company communication protocol
19:45.18morsingIf you're watching IRC then you have time to spare - and reading random lines of text won't interrupt anything you're doing
19:45.26clive-hI'm also talking about music and other stuff elsewhere on irc
19:45.38morsingclive-h: So have I - but an internal server was setup for that
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20:19.11wethrinpeeeeple!
20:20.03wethrinmorsing: Hit the 'edit' link
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20:52.55morsingwethrin: Yes but surely it won't just appear? Someone should approve it?
20:53.00morsinggoibhniu!
20:53.05wethrinTry it and see.
20:53.10wethrinOr ask Caroline
20:53.11morsingI'm scared
20:53.15wethrinOr, err, read the edit page
20:53.19morsing~seen secretlondon
20:53.23ibotsecretlondon <n=secretlo@wikipedia/secretlondon> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 175d 8h 35m 17s ago, saying: 'have fun!'.
20:53.33wethrinThat long?
20:54.06morsingYeah... :(
20:54.20wethrinhm
20:54.28morsingIs she still around?
20:54.53wethrinhttp://secretlondon.livejournal.com
20:57.10morsingOi... She skipped my birthday...
20:58.34wethrinoh
21:09.00goltorwhy when i try to paste something external to vim am i just getting a \ ???
21:09.21goltorthis is frustrating me quite substantially :'(
21:09.59wethrincharacter set issues?
21:10.44goltori can paste to the terminal fine
21:10.55goltormmm
21:11.29wethrinForgot to go into insert mode?
21:11.49goltorno
21:14.30goltorhaha
21:14.55goltorset mouse=a
21:19.33goltor/me silly
21:30.19z00dax.
21:30.25clive-h..
21:31.29z00dax... --- ...
21:32.00clive-hBit late for saving any souls on 'ere
21:32.12z00daxwhy are you not at the f&b ?
21:32.24clive-hf&b?
21:32.32z00daxflag and bell
21:32.49clive-hProbably cos I know not of it?
21:33.22wethrinWhy aren't you there, z00dax?
21:33.53z00daxwas at work till about 45 min ago, also will be out drinking tom, day-after, and the day-after-that.
21:36.36wethringood man
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21:43.47Ch0Hag... maybe because it has taken an hour and a half to get through security where three staff appear to be on a mission to keep the world safe from toothpaste.
21:44.05wethrinRemember - if you see someone with pearly whites, they're a TERRRRIST!
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