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| 08:19.26 | niv_one_three | hi all |
| 08:25.58 | AnneC_ | LO |
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| 08:28.58 | Ch0Hag | "Dear God, Thank you for the baby brother but what I prayed for was a puppy. Joyce. |
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| 10:03.53 | phearless | hello folks ! |
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| 10:09.06 | mumper | Morning! :) |
| 10:21.27 | wethrin | it is!# |
| 10:42.59 | antiphase | Why does every single piece of Open Source software have to be so fucking hostile to use? |
| 10:43.34 | antiphase | It makes you wish Bill Gates had had Linus, RMS and ESR taken out before it all kicked off |
| 10:46.23 | wethrin | Because the programmers are willy-waving about what 'features' they can put in. UIs are not glamorous |
| 10:47.29 | antiphase | Ironically this is a console "application" |
| 10:47.46 | antiphase | IT doesn't even have to have a UI to be awkward |
| 10:47.50 | wethrin | Ahhh. They're trying to combine the complexity of VMS with the user-friendliness of IOS? |
| 10:50.17 | antiphase | I've no idea what VMS is, but it sounds about right |
| 10:54.37 | wethrin | DEC's operating system for VAXen, then Alphas |
| 11:09.38 | goibhniu | e.g.? |
| 11:09.50 | goibhniu | bash vs windows explorer? |
| 11:10.27 | wethrin | hmm? |
| 11:11.02 | goibhniu | every single piece of open source software is not hostile or difficult to use IMO |
| 11:11.32 | goibhniu | I think a statement like that could use an example or two |
| 11:11.40 | wethrin | That's true. 'ls' isn't too bad. |
| 11:12.20 | goibhniu | well ... arguably it is |
| 11:12.27 | antiphase | It's not necessarily difficult to use, the barrier to understanding is high and the documentation is sparse though |
| 11:12.43 | antiphase | Documentation written by people who understand something is invariably shit |
| 11:13.00 | wethrin | Documentation's overrated. Use a wiki. |
| 11:13.10 | goibhniu | some documentation is excellent |
| 11:13.14 | goibhniu | e.g. blender |
| 11:13.23 | goibhniu | but blender isn't an easy app to pick up and use |
| 11:13.38 | wethrin | Was blender always open-source, though? |
| 11:13.45 | wethrin | I thought it was a commercial package first |
| 11:13.47 | goibhniu | nope but the docs are |
| 11:13.52 | goibhniu | all on wikibooks |
| 11:13.55 | goibhniu | user contributed |
| 11:14.07 | wethrin | hm |
| 11:15.14 | goibhniu | but it's not as easy to use as sketchbook |
| 11:15.25 | goibhniu | or whatever that thing is called |
| 11:15.28 | wethrin | The gimp's UI is a bit horrid |
| 11:15.32 | goibhniu | sketchup |
| 11:15.48 | goibhniu | not more so than photoshop imo |
| 11:16.00 | wethrin | I've found photoshop a lot easier to sit down and use |
| 11:16.03 | goibhniu | but there are easier to use image editors |
| 11:16.15 | wethrin | But not as powerful |
| 11:16.23 | goibhniu | once you know the concepts of layers and selections etc you can use any of them |
| 11:16.28 | wethrin | gimp's a good paint-shop-pro replacement |
| 11:16.30 | goibhniu | inkscape is hard to beat |
| 11:16.41 | goibhniu | in terms of picking up and using |
| 11:16.42 | goibhniu | and docs |
| 11:16.45 | wethrin | Not really - concepts are quite different to applying them in the particular program |
| 11:18.36 | goibhniu | well .. I just wanted to say that's it's bollox that open source apps are blah blah blah ... |
| 11:19.04 | wethrin | Commercial software is also hateful to use, though |
| 11:20.13 | goibhniu | indeed .. there is plenty of crap software |
| 11:20.20 | wethrin | all software sucks |
| 11:21.03 | goibhniu | and at least it's *possible* (given unlimited time, resources and expertise) to figure out open source stuff |
| 11:22.35 | wethrin | It's only free if your time is worthless. Etc. etc. |
| 11:24.04 | goibhniu | you mean cheap |
| 11:24.26 | wethrin | mmm |
| 11:24.29 | goibhniu | but sometimes it is well documented an easy to use too |
| 11:30.56 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 11:31.01 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 11:31.19 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 11:31.21 | wethrin | You're online! |
| 11:31.34 | morsing | ;-) |
| 11:31.49 | wethrin | tunnelled out? |
| 11:32.01 | morsing | wethrin: no - |
| 11:32.21 | morsing | #2 |
| 11:33.35 | wethrin | TMI |
| 11:34.07 | morsing | ibot tMI |
| 11:34.17 | ibot | tmi stands for too much information |
| 11:34.17 | morsing | ! |
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| 12:08.34 | Ch0Hag | <stratouk> ATI cards are like buses... |
| 12:08.36 | Ch0Hag | <stratouk> They're huge, red and have bad drivers. |
| 12:30.22 | bilarh | cpufreak: my car's been mapped finally :D |
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| 12:45.59 | Leeds | FUCKING INLAND FUCKING REVENUE! |
| 12:46.19 | bilarh | wot they done now? |
| 12:46.53 | Leeds | it's really very very simple. I don't live in the UK. I don't work in the UK. I don't (want to) pay tax in the UK. So will you please just tell my letting agent to give me my bloody rent? |
| 12:47.46 | Leeds | I sent them the form in January... at that point, they were taking 12 weeks to process them, so I left it a few *months* before following up, only to be told that they had no record of getting it |
| 12:48.52 | Leeds | I sent another copy a month ago - yes, it took me a while, but I was busy with things like finding a job and somewhere to live in HK - and I've just called them to be told it's now taking 3-4 weeks, they don't have any record of the new one, it might be caught in a postal strike (I *sent* it exactly a month ago) and can I fax them a new copy. I |
| 12:49.03 | Leeds | "I'm sorry, sir, we don't have facilities to process emails" |
| 12:52.21 | bilarh | well, you're making the classical mistake of not sending it recorded |
| 12:52.51 | bilarh | as far as i can tell, there is some government directive to *ignore all communications from citizens* if it's not sent via recorded delivery |
| 12:53.27 | bilarh | i mean, if i don't send things recorded delivery to government agencies, there appears to be about a 90% chance that it gets lost in the postal system |
| 12:53.29 | Leeds | I sent it recorded |
| 12:53.35 | Leeds | I've got the receipt right here |
| 12:53.38 | bilarh | whereas if it is recorded, they never lose it |
| 12:53.47 | Leeds | international recorded, no less... |
| 12:53.49 | bilarh | can you find out if they received it then? |
| 12:53.58 | Leeds | or possibly registered... dunno what difference either of them make |
| 12:54.13 | bilarh | probably the same thing |
| 12:54.29 | Leeds | post between the UK and HK is reliable. the only mail I've ever lost is two forms to the HMRC |
| 12:54.46 | bilarh | yeah i'm sure the post is, but the IR aren't :-) |
| 12:54.58 | bilarh | i don't think for a secodn that the postal system would have lost *two* letters |
| 12:55.04 | bilarh | it just never happens, really |
| 12:55.10 | bilarh | i've only ever had one thing go missing in the post |
| 12:55.23 | Leeds | only when misaddressed |
| 12:55.25 | bilarh | and that was someone sending me a cheque |
| 12:55.28 | bilarh | yeah exactly |
| 12:55.54 | Leeds | hmm... this may be trackable... |
| 12:56.09 | bilarh | yeah it should be, that's the whole point of recorded delivery :-) |
| 12:56.15 | dick_turpin | Recorded delivery is only proof of delivery it is not proof of receipt for that you need need Registered Post |
| 12:56.26 | Leeds | I had a chequebook stolen out of the post a few years ago - it was a scheme involving someone working in a PO in north London |
| 12:56.48 | bilarh | dick_turpin: ah is that the difference |
| 12:56.51 | Leeds | they stole thousands |
| 12:56.58 | bilarh | leeds: it was probably dick_turpin and his gang of highway men |
| 12:57.01 | dick_turpin | All recorded delivery does is Mr Postman "Yeah some nob signed for it" |
| 12:57.16 | Leeds | would you believe the tracking site is down for maintainance? |
| 12:57.29 | bilarh | hehehe |
| 12:58.47 | dick_turpin | Leeds: I don't understand whats the letting agent giving you your money got to do with the Inland Revenue? |
| 12:59.09 | SlayerXP | afternoon. |
| 13:00.18 | Leeds | and... the tracking service has confirmed that "the item left Hong Kong on 15th July" - the day after I posted it - but doesn't seem to want to tell me any more |
| 13:01.22 | Leeds | dick_turpin: I am a non-resident landlord, and the rental income is my only (significant) income in the UK. As such, the letting agent has to collect the tax before sending on the rent to me, unless I get something signed from the IR to prove that they know I'm non-resident |
| 13:01.41 | Leeds | the letting agent doesn't want to deal with the tax, and neither do I |
| 13:02.31 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Didn't know that I would have thought, they give you the spondoolies and its up to you to sort out the taxman |
| 13:03.55 | Leeds | you'd think so, but you've got to get approval in advance - I guess due to the difficultly of collecting tax from someone who lives in, say, HK |
| 13:04.21 | Leeds | they want to either know where the money is going, or tax it before it leaves the UK |
| 13:04.53 | bilarh | leeds: well, do you make enough money out of it to have to pay tax though? |
| 13:05.16 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Interesting, that begs another question, don't you have to come back to the UK X amount of times a year or loose your UK status? |
| 13:05.19 | Leeds | don't think so, since you can claim mortgage interest as a deductible |
| 13:05.34 | Leeds | dick_turpin: UK status? you mean citizenship? |
| 13:05.39 | bilarh | leeds: that's what i thought |
| 13:05.57 | dick_turpin | Leeds: I know I was trying to shorten the message |
| 13:06.55 | Leeds | the only limit like that which I'm aware of is that you can only vote as an expat for a certain period of time - something like 7 years, I think |
| 13:07.44 | Leeds | I'm born and bred in the UK - as far as I know, unless I give up my citizenship or have it taken for something like treason, I'll always be British (until that just becomes part of Europe, anyway) |
| 13:08.05 | Leeds | I have no intention of giving up my UK passport, even when I get an Israeli one to go with it :-) |
| 13:13.26 | Leeds | anyway, http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/cnr/nr_landlords.htm for anyone who wants the incomprehensible details |
| 13:15.43 | dick_turpin | Leeds: I'm 99% sure I read somewhere that to keep UK citizenship you have to be resident in the UK for a period of time which can be split up over the course of a year? |
| 13:16.11 | dick_turpin | Leeds: But I maybe totally wrong |
| 13:16.31 | bilarh | dick_turpin: that's to keep your tax status |
| 13:16.46 | Leeds | exactly - you're talking about *residency* not *citizenship* - which I thought was technically 'subjectship' or whatever the word is, being a monarchy and all |
| 13:16.49 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Ah, fair enough |
| 13:18.10 | Leeds | I am not resident and quite happy that way :-) |
| 13:18.26 | Leeds | I am a legal resident and taxpayer in HK and have been for, ooh, over 2 weeks now... |
| 13:18.58 | Leeds | mmm... 16% top rate... :-D |
| 13:19.13 | Leeds | mmm... 4 page tax return... :-D |
| 13:19.24 | dick_turpin | Leeds: The solution seems fairly simple to me. |
| 13:19.40 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Got any UK relatives? |
| 13:19.45 | Leeds | yes, of course |
| 13:20.03 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Get the money paid to them, they send it you |
| 13:20.24 | Leeds | then they would (potentially) be liable for the tax |
| 13:21.05 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Groan I think I preferred it when you was moaning about lack of female company ;-) |
| 13:22.06 | Leeds | plan for tomorrow night: dinner with Sandy at a local place, followed by going back to her place for some hot pulling-data-from-her-thinkpad-so-she-can-sell-it action |
| 13:22.53 | Leeds | plan for Thursday night: dinner with Katherin, Cindy and Kelly |
| 13:23.18 | Leeds | plan for Saturday: going to see the Bourne film with Karen, who has threatened to break both my legs if I try to cancel on her |
| 13:23.44 | Leeds | not particularly lacking for female company, as such... |
| 13:24.14 | Leeds | somewhat scarily, I'm not entirely joking about the leg-breaking... |
| 13:25.35 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Oh god, I'll get a stiff drink ready for the "Why do they want to be just friends" |
| 13:25.59 | Leeds | Karen is my flatmate... Kelly and I have already gone through the 'just friends' thing |
| 13:27.40 | Leeds | Cindy is cute, but nothing particularly special |
| 13:28.00 | bilarh | any hole's a goal, you know ;-) |
| 13:28.27 | dick_turpin | bilarh: !!!!!! Jesus |
| 13:29.41 | bilarh | i know, i know |
| 13:29.43 | Leeds | Katherin is cute - blonde, German and highly co-incidentally, is a bra designer who spent some time in Sri Lanka a year or two back, at around the time I was in the bra factory there |
| 13:30.51 | dick_turpin | Leeds: seeing as you are bleeding the funds from our economy and contributing nothing back |
| 13:31.11 | dick_turpin | Leeds: I've had a word with my friends at the tax office |
| 13:31.36 | Leeds | and Sandy is a cute local girl who I've been warned is in a rebound mood, but who I'm trying quite hard to *not* get into a 'just friends' situation with |
| 13:31.41 | dick_turpin | Leeds: And they are looking into a compulsory purchase order on your property |
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| 13:32.22 | Leeds | not sure how they're planning to compulsory-purchase a 2nd-floor flat... |
| 13:33.24 | dick_turpin | Leeds: Its irrelevant compulsory purchases can be made on anything :-) |
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| 14:54.12 | Leeds | AnneC! |
| 14:54.26 | AnneC | leeds! |
| 14:55.33 | Leeds | how are you on this dark and windy night? |
| 14:55.55 | AnneC | sunny london afternoon you mean? |
| 14:56.12 | Leeds | and according to the weatherman and his 'radar', about to become a thundery night as well... |
| 14:56.18 | Ch0Hag | Do you live in a different London from the rest of us then? |
| 14:56.24 | Ch0Hag | One of those American ones maybe? |
| 14:56.56 | AnneC | oh noes, just being imaginative |
| 14:57.07 | Leeds | Ch0Hag: which one of us were you talking about? |
| 14:57.07 | AnneC | that's the only thing we have left innit? |
| 14:58.06 | AnneC | gah, I'm trying to find the motivation to do my sequence diagrams... |
| 14:58.37 | Ch0Hag | Everyone except you. |
| 14:58.58 | Ch0Hag | AnneC: Don't. Play a game instead. |
| 14:59.12 | AnneC | but, but |
| 14:59.47 | Ch0Hag | But but sequence diagrams are boring. |
| 15:00.19 | Leeds | and is quite happy that way |
| 15:00.29 | Ch0Hag | Aye. That goes a long way to confirming their boring state. |
| 15:01.31 | niv_one_three | I sugest putting nice smilies near them |
| 15:01.47 | niv_one_three | then you may also upgrade it using a chease cake |
| 15:01.54 | niv_one_three | or a carrot cake.. |
| 15:02.04 | Ch0Hag | Anyway even if they were vaguely interesting, games are always more fun. |
| 15:02.09 | Leeds | but you can't have your cake and eat it |
| 15:02.28 | Ch0Hag | Perhaps not, but if I'm quick I can have YOUR cake and eat MINE. |
| 15:02.47 | Leeds | that sounds like a challenge |
| 15:02.47 | niv_one_three | I suggest eatting small bites as you circule each sequence.. |
| 15:03.01 | Ch0Hag | Or I can just amke two cakes. |
| 15:03.47 | niv_one_three | I would argue that baking a carrot cake AND a chease cake takes more time then the sequence diagram |
| 15:03.53 | Ch0Hag | Although maybe not because we have no mixer and it's hard work doing it by hand. |
| 15:03.58 | Leeds | niv_one_three: (cheese) |
| 15:04.04 | Ch0Hag | niv_one_three: But which has better results? |
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| 15:05.08 | niv_one_three | last night I made a girl happy :-) |
| 15:05.19 | Leeds | niv_one_three: you left her alone? |
| 15:05.22 | niv_one_three | I think I deserve a cake then |
| 15:05.23 | Ch0Hag | ... well that trumps anything I was going to say. |
| 15:06.02 | Leeds | you pleasured her all night? |
| 15:06.19 | Leeds | you taught her to juggle? |
| 15:07.23 | Ch0Hag | I like how a night of rampant sex is on a par with juggling lessons. |
| 15:07.36 | niv_one_three | I will ferthr argue that it is hard to charm a lady will benifiting from it |
| 15:07.59 | niv_one_three | one needs to quickly move from being charming to taking control |
| 15:08.06 | niv_one_three | but its just not in me |
| 15:08.18 | Leeds | (further) (while) (benefiting) |
| 15:08.33 | Ch0Hag | Oh WHILE. |
| 15:08.39 | Ch0Hag | I thought he was talking about a lady Will. |
| 15:08.51 | Leeds | I assume he meant while |
| 15:09.09 | niv_one_three | s/will/while |
| 15:09.22 | niv_one_three | I will just shut up |
| 15:09.25 | Leeds | juggling lessons can be quite charming |
| 15:09.26 | niv_one_three | and worl |
| 15:09.30 | Leeds | niv_one_three: nah, keep talking |
| 15:09.33 | Leeds | (work) :-P |
| 15:09.44 | niv_one_three | :-> |
| 15:09.55 | Leeds | you know I only do it because I love you dearly, chaver |
| 15:10.07 | niv_one_three | (Sarah McLachlan) Sweet Surrender |
| 15:10.21 | niv_one_three | I know |
| 15:12.34 | niv_one_three | Niv is dating , avoiding, getting to know and meeting - four diffrent females |
| 15:12.38 | niv_one_three | I am lucky |
| 15:12.46 | AnneC | well that's not bad |
| 15:13.18 | niv_one_three | one one is in the romantic contects |
| 15:13.22 | boudiccas | niv is therfore juggling and will be in deep dodo if he drops even one ball! :) |
| 15:13.29 | niv_one_three | other is a would be room mate |
| 15:14.41 | Leeds | I've already got a room-mate |
| 15:14.46 | Leeds | flatmate, I should say |
| 15:14.55 | niv_one_three | sometimes I wish i could just solve a sequence diagram instead of figuring out females |
| 15:15.32 | niv_one_three | I ment interviewing .. |
| 15:15.44 | Leeds | I actually have a female friend - who I must get out for a drink - with whom my main connection is juggling ;-) |
| 15:16.53 | AnneC | you want to get her drunk, Leeds? |
| 15:17.18 | Leeds | AnneC: nope... could be coffee as far as I'm concerned - I'm off booze until at least the end of this month anyway |
| 15:17.28 | AnneC | is this the one who wanted to juggle with your balls |
| 15:17.34 | Leeds | yes |
| 15:17.58 | AnneC | off booze? in summer? do you hate yourself? |
| 15:18.29 | Leeds | nope |
| 15:18.42 | Leeds | trying to lose weight, save money and be healthy |
| 15:18.45 | boudiccas | Leeds; its your winter isn't it? |
| 15:18.53 | niv_one_three | side note to gentoo users: after updating the expat lib - get ready to recompile the whole system :-( |
| 15:19.03 | Leeds | boudiccas: what??? |
| 15:19.14 | boudiccas | Leeds; the season? |
| 15:19.15 | Leeds | boudiccas: uh... I'm still north of the equator |
| 15:19.16 | AnneC | where are you Leeds? |
| 15:19.30 | boudiccas | ah, right ty |
| 15:19.31 | niv_one_three | I guess at home ? |
| 15:19.38 | Leeds | lying on my bed |
| 15:19.45 | niv_one_three | right :-) |
| 15:19.52 | boudiccas | Leeds; 2319 at your end ? :) |
| 15:19.57 | AnneC | which continent you obtuse silly thing |
| 15:19.59 | Leeds | boudiccas: yes |
| 15:20.26 | boudiccas | AnneC; he's in Hong KOng |
| 15:20.44 | boudiccas | one of the expats :) |
| 15:20.51 | niv_one_three | is this channel , like an alternative to watching porn at a late hr? |
| 15:21.12 | bilarh | niv_one_three: didn't you know? |
| 15:21.13 | boudiccas | its his wind-down zone :)))) |
| 15:21.20 | bilarh | ibot: whip your boobs out, please |
| 15:21.21 | ibot | ACTION takes your boobs out, please outside to be thoroughly whipped by bilarh |
| 15:21.26 | AnneC | well if you have some gory details niv_one_three, maybe that can be worth it |
| 15:21.30 | bilarh | hehehe :D |
| 15:21.33 | Leeds | niv_one_three: what do you mean alternative? ever heard of virtual desktops? |
| 15:22.03 | AnneC | I've got 2 screens |
| 15:22.34 | bilarh | speaking of which, does anyone listen to radio1 at around this time usually? |
| 15:22.42 | AnneC | what for |
| 15:22.57 | bilarh | ah, it's just that they were discussing the 'f-cup cookie' in japan |
| 15:23.01 | niv_one_three | (prof of concept?) |
| 15:23.15 | bilarh | apparently, they sell cookies with some special fat that deposits around women's boobiess |
| 15:23.15 | AnneC | f-cup cookie, wtf? |
| 15:23.18 | Leeds | bilarh: I saw pics last week online |
| 15:23.24 | bilarh | and it's called the f-cup cookie |
| 15:23.29 | bilarh | leedS: is it a spoof? :) |
| 15:23.36 | Leeds | no |
| 15:23.41 | boudiccas | this is really annoying! on every one of my 8 desktops i've got a yellow oblong box saying '/home/foobar/saved web links' and i can't get rid of it. i've tried refreshing but it won't dissappear. is there any way other than logging out and loggin back in to make it go away please? |
| 15:23.44 | AnneC | where can I get that?? Does it work on men :-D |
| 15:23.44 | bilarh | they called some hotel and asked for some, but they didn't know what they were talking about |
| 15:23.58 | Leeds | AnneC: you want a man with an f-cup? |
| 15:24.08 | bilarh | annec: apparently :) |
| 15:24.17 | bilarh | i've had some already, and i can confirm they work just fine :) |
| 15:24.28 | Leeds | don't think I'm above a B, really |
| 15:24.57 | bilarh | well, when i was last testing cup sizes down in lasenza, i was somewhere between an a and a b |
| 15:25.31 | AnneC | awww |
| 15:25.48 | Leeds | never got mine sized... but I did, just once, managed to go from "I work for a bra company" to "feel mine, guess my cup size" :-) |
| 15:26.09 | AnneC | cute |
| 15:26.18 | niv_one_three | ok Leds you are luckier |
| 15:26.21 | AnneC | women are so shocking these days |
| 15:26.33 | bilarh | leeds: hehe nice one |
| 15:27.19 | Leeds | unfortunately, the lady in question was engaged at the time and is now married - although not entirely happily, as I understand it, but a mutual friend of ours would almost certainly be her 'second' choice |
| 15:27.48 | AnneC | you could be her side order |
| 15:28.05 | niv_one_three | I recommend the right side |
| 15:28.27 | AnneC | maybe you're missing out |
| 15:28.40 | gw280 | hrngnghghghghg |
| 15:29.01 | Leeds | eh, got to see how things go with Sandy... and if there's any chance of anything with Katherin... or Doris... or maybe even Pamela or - pretty unlikely though it is - Katherine |
| 15:29.03 | boudiccas | morning gw280 |
| 15:29.04 | bilarh | gw280: i thought you were trying to get sandwich crumbs out of your keyboard |
| 15:29.27 | Leeds | or possibly Elisa, but I don't think that's too likely... anyway, no room for Emily |
| 15:32.42 | Leeds | okay, I should stop listing my women, really... |
| 15:36.25 | AnneC | some people might be jealous |
| 15:36.43 | Leeds | AnneC: you? |
| 15:36.56 | AnneC | who knows ;-) |
| 15:37.27 | Leeds | I should also point out that, unfortunately, based on past history, I'm likely to end up either 'just friends with' or 'not talking to' all of them |
| 15:37.39 | niv_one_three | does any gentoo user here uses distcc ? |
| 15:37.52 | bilarh | leeds: maybe you come across as too desperate? |
| 15:38.02 | antiphase | Ha ha ha ha |
| 15:38.17 | niv_one_three | hi anti! |
| 15:38.22 | antiphase | Wod up homes |
| 15:38.24 | Leeds | bilarh: I'm trying to walk that fine fine line between 'desperate' and 'eunuch' |
| 15:38.24 | AnneC | you're doing something wrong, then? |
| 15:38.48 | niv_one_three | he aint drinking |
| 15:38.54 | bilarh | antiphase: just jammin and jacking, bro |
| 15:39.00 | antiphase | Whining on IRC instead of being down the gym or buying flowers and chox for the hos |
| 15:39.04 | bilarh | jammin = walk down the street |
| 15:39.07 | gw280 | bilarh: ? |
| 15:39.17 | bilarh | jacking = mugging |
| 15:39.33 | Leeds | antiphase: been down the gym last two nights, having dinner with and planning to buy a flower for a lady tomorrow night - tonight is a night off |
| 15:39.43 | bilarh | did anyone see panorama last night? |
| 15:39.55 | AnneC | flowers... maybe that's the turn off |
| 15:40.08 | Leeds | she asked for it |
| 15:40.11 | bilarh | yeah... i think that's the problem too |
| 15:40.15 | Leeds | m'lud |
| 15:40.18 | AnneC | you're not doing that on the first dates, are you??? |
| 15:40.20 | bilarh | you don't give them what they ask for, give them what they want |
| 15:40.42 | AnneC | oh oh my imagination is running wild |
| 15:41.02 | Leeds | she also asked me to pull the data off her thinkpad so she can sell it... it's going to be a hot and heavy night |
| 15:41.26 | bilarh | i think usually what they're *really* after is a joint bank account |
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| 15:41.35 | AnneC | you mean, she's using a geek, or it's just an excuse to have you over? |
| 15:41.39 | bilarh | and, by no means *ever* submit yourself to that :) |
| 15:41.41 | Leeds | bilarh: don't forget the passport |
| 15:41.54 | Leeds | AnneC: not sure, to be honest... either way... |
| 15:42.03 | antiphase | Flop your wang on the table and point at it suggestively |
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| 15:42.12 | AnneC | oh |
| 15:42.13 | Leeds | she did suggest dinner before |
| 15:42.44 | bilarh | antiphase: "well, it's not gonna suck itself, is it?!" :D |
| 15:42.57 | AnneC | LOL |
| 15:43.37 | Leeds | anyway, the point about the flower is that a 'line' I've been using for a while, with female friends, is when chatting on IM, to sign off with "and a [flower icon] for your pillow" - she's the first one who responded by asking for a real one, so it's meant both as a flower, and as an in-joke |
| 15:44.03 | bilarh | leeds man, sorry to say, but that just makes you sound gay |
| 15:44.24 | boudiccas | i think its sweet Leeds |
| 15:44.31 | bilarh | from my, arguably limited, experience of women, if you're too nice and cute, they wont like y ou |
| 15:44.47 | Leeds | that is my usual problem, yes |
| 15:44.49 | bilarh | i'm not saying that as a put down or anything btw |
| 15:44.59 | Leeds | nice and cute rather than gay, but still... |
| 15:45.03 | antiphase | You're not gay enough |
| 15:45.17 | antiphase | Wear more pink and rink cocktails |
| 15:45.33 | bilarh | hey what's wrong with cocktails? :) |
| 15:45.40 | bilarh | leeds: fwiw, i've got the same problem :-) |
| 15:47.13 | Leeds | as a serious point, I do have trouble finding the right line between "dirty old man" and "gal-pal" |
| 15:47.39 | bilarh | you can't be a dirty old man if you're 20 something :-) |
| 15:47.48 | Leeds | I'm not 20-something :-( |
| 15:48.05 | bilarh | what? |
| 15:48.13 | bilarh | how old are you then? |
| 15:48.18 | Leeds | then or now? |
| 15:48.23 | boudiccas | lol |
| 15:48.34 | bilarh | now? :) |
| 15:48.59 | bilarh | i thought you were about 25 from the photos, but then i'm rubbish with ages anyway |
| 15:49.17 | Leeds | I'm not much over 20-something, but, well, to put it bluntly, I'm looking at younger ladies because all the ones approaching my age seem to be husband-hunting |
| 15:49.38 | Leeds | which photos? the ones taken a few years ago? |
| 15:51.09 | bilarh | no the ones you sent of some chinese birds and you |
| 15:51.23 | bilarh | but honestly, if you're just looking for sex, it's easier and cheaper just to get a hooker |
| 15:51.40 | Leeds | not just looking for sex, no |
| 15:52.05 | bilarh | keep your lady friends, and get some hookers :D |
| 15:52.12 | bilarh | nice and uncomplicated |
| 15:52.12 | AnneC | Leeds: you also need someone you can talk at in the evening, while she's cooking for you? |
| 15:52.25 | Leeds | again, there is a line between "sex" and "'til death do us part" |
| 15:52.38 | AnneC | viagra? |
| 15:52.38 | bilarh | leeds: not for women there isn't :) |
| 15:52.55 | Leeds | AnneC: I have someone to talk to in the evening, and she keeps threatening to cook for me |
| 15:53.17 | AnneC | heaven |
| 15:53.25 | bilarh | hmm... |
| 15:53.43 | bilarh | i mean honestly, i used to think that if only i had a girlfriend etc etc i would be happy |
| 15:53.46 | Leeds | 'flatmate' |
| 15:54.13 | Leeds | bilarh: no, that takes lots of girlfriends, and enough money to keep them happy on their 'off nights' |
| 15:54.19 | bilarh | but let me tell you this (getting all spiritual), real happiness comes from the inside and i don't think it's influenced that much by external factors |
| 15:55.15 | bilarh | my suggestion is to pick up a martial arts, especially seeing as you're in HK :-) |
| 15:55.40 | bilarh | as a bonus, it will make you look more confident which is a big turn on (i think) |
| 15:55.54 | bilarh | s/think/think women think/ |
| 15:56.12 | bilarh | that, and wear a suit :-) |
| 15:56.25 | Leeds | well, okay... what I'm after is a connection, a companionship which is deeper than 'friends' - and yes, part of that is physical |
| 15:56.44 | antiphase | aka "Bonking on demand" |
| 15:56.52 | bilarh | antiphase: you're not helping ;-) |
| 15:57.00 | Leeds | bilarh: antiphase rarely does |
| 15:57.14 | bilarh | my ramblings about inner strength, on the other hand :-D |
| 15:57.16 | Leeds | although I'm noting an unusual level of restraint this evening |
| 15:58.58 | Leeds | anyway, that's what I think I want... along with a bigger paycheque, a more comfortable bed, cleaner air, world peace and a good night's sleep |
| 15:59.20 | bilarh | oh well, i'm going to get in the car for about 2 hours and drive home through london |
| 15:59.24 | bilarh | l8rs people |
| 15:59.33 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:59.36 | Leeds | have fun, g'night |
| 15:59.46 | Leeds | boudiccas: do you know what software is generating it? |
| 15:59.48 | AnneC | cool might be quicker today |
| 15:59.56 | AnneC | little traffic yesterday |
| 15:59.58 | boudiccas | not really |
| 16:00.15 | boudiccas | opera possibly |
| 16:00.31 | Leeds | my window manager has a "window identify" module which would tell me... |
| 16:01.24 | boudiccas | nope, its not opera as i've just closed that and its still staying there |
| 16:01.48 | Leeds | is opera still running? it could be hanging around if it thinks it's still got windows open |
| 16:02.04 | boudiccas | no, i completely closed it down |
| 16:02.29 | boudiccas | ah, well, it'll cure itself eventually |
| 16:02.36 | boudiccas | thanks anyway |
| 16:06.04 | goibhniu | hmm ... doesn't kde have a force quit applet? |
| 16:08.45 | boudiccas | yes, but i don't want to quit, just get rid of this minor irritation |
| 16:09.03 | Leeds | boudiccas: I think the point was to force that particular window to quit |
| 16:09.36 | goibhniu | on gnome you can add an applet to your taskbar that lets you kill a window |
| 16:09.44 | goibhniu | I think xkill is the same type of thing |
| 16:09.49 | goibhniu | I can't find anything on kde |
| 16:09.52 | Leeds | anyway, bedtime for me - need my beauty sleep so as to be able to keep my strength up for all my ladies |
| 16:09.55 | boudiccas | ah, i see, sorry, i misread your intentions :) |
| 16:10.05 | Leeds | and I need to seriously consider the whole flower thing |
| 16:10.07 | boudiccas | nn Leeds |
| 16:10.08 | goibhniu | but I'm a knoob |
| 16:10.31 | Leeds | boudiccas: for the record, you'd vote in favour? |
| 16:10.51 | Leeds | eh, g'night :-) |
| 16:10.53 | boudiccas | for the flower, yes |
| 16:11.26 | Leeds | may have to wander past a florist on the way home from work... |
| 16:12.48 | boudiccas | lol |
| 16:13.14 | boudiccas | my idea of flower arranging is talles at the back, shortest in the front, number! |
| 16:13.18 | goibhniu | go for it Leeds! |
| 16:13.21 | boudiccas | *tallest |
| 16:14.27 | goibhniu | it's nice the way you can tie up long grasses in a bundle and it stands up all by itself! |
| 16:14.45 | goibhniu | probably not flower arranging technically |
| 16:16.15 | Leeds | there will just be one flower, and I'm thinking *fairly* neutral - something like a tulip |
| 16:16.27 | Leeds | not a red rose... |
| 16:17.37 | Leeds | it's possible - well, 100% certain - that I overthink things, and the dual meaning of 'flower' and 'in-joke' will be missed... oh well, nothing ventured and all that |
| 16:18.24 | Leeds | really time to try to sleep - in other words, stop typing... 'night all |
| 16:23.32 | goibhniu | hmmm ... "According to Persian legend, the first tulips sprang up from the drops of blood shed by a lover and for a long time the tulip was the symbol of avowed love." |
| 16:24.17 | goibhniu | a lily is a great flower |
| 16:26.25 | Leeds | lily says 'death' to me |
| 16:31.34 | goibhniu | yes |
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| 18:15.49 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 18:16.17 | morsing | boudiccas! |
| 18:17.40 | morsing | AnneC? |
| 18:18.05 | boudiccas | hancokc's half hour |
| 18:18.11 | boudiccas | *hancock's |
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| 18:23.17 | morsing | AnneC_! |
| 18:23.21 | morsing | boudiccas? |
| 18:23.43 | boudiccas | hancock's half hour |
| 18:24.16 | morsing | boudiccas: :( |
| 18:25.02 | boudiccas | hancock's half hour on the radio |
| 18:29.06 | morsing | :( :( :( |
| 18:36.56 | morsing | ping wethrin |
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| 18:37.01 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 18:38.26 | boudiccas | morsing! |
| 18:38.43 | boudiccas | its raining here :( |
| 18:39.37 | morsing | Here too |
| 18:39.42 | morsing | boudiccas: CoffeeE? |
| 18:39.48 | boudiccas | must be the weather then |
| 18:39.57 | boudiccas | no, just letting my tea brew |
| 18:40.32 | boudiccas | i like listening to Radio 7 at 1900 each weekday because they have some classic old time radio shows on |
| 18:41.09 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:43.53 | morsing | goltor! |
| 18:44.22 | morsing | boudiccas: Why can't I log into the desktop with a specific user? |
| 18:45.34 | morsing | boudiccas? |
| 18:45.48 | boudiccas | yo? |
| 18:45.53 | boudiccas | just getting my tea |
| 18:46.08 | boudiccas | perhaps the user hasn't been created yet? |
| 18:46.35 | rhowe | grr |
| 18:46.42 | rhowe | spamassassin.apache.org seems to be not very up |
| 18:48.47 | goltor | works for me |
| 18:49.44 | goltor | unless it is some other function to http you are referring |
| 18:51.38 | goltor | to prevent me from going postal at work |
| 18:55.50 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 18:57.18 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 18:58.26 | rhowe | goltor: Hm. maybe I broke DNS here then :P |
| 18:59.38 | rhowe | hey Henrik |
| 18:59.45 | rhowe | morsing: So are you coming over for coffee? |
| 18:59.49 | rhowe | morsing: The flat isn't very tidy |
| 19:00.17 | rhowe | goltor: I get ns1 and ns4.afraid.org not responding and ns2 and ns3 say NXDOMAIN |
| 19:00.59 | rhowe | hmm, and now it's the other way around |
| 19:01.09 | rhowe | ns1 and ns4 responding NXDOMAIN, ns2 and ns3 timing out |
| 19:03.47 | morsing | RHOWE: WTF's that crap photo on Facebook! |
| 19:03.50 | morsing | :) |
| 19:04.03 | morsing | rhowe: Ohh... Sorry, no. Not tonight :( |
| 19:04.32 | rhowe | morsing: What crap? |
| 19:04.42 | morsing | Photo with wavy hair :) |
| 19:04.45 | rhowe | heh |
| 19:05.03 | morsing | rhowe: Did you make it back then? |
| 19:05.17 | rhowe | Yeah, not too late |
| 19:05.24 | morsing | Good |
| 19:05.27 | rhowe | the connections were all really quick |
| 19:05.32 | rhowe | train on the platform, bus at the stop |
| 19:05.45 | morsing | Yeah - Watford is pretty good |
| 19:06.23 | morsing | rhowe: Your b'day is three days after mine |
| 19:07.11 | morsing | rhowe: What's my hometown? |
| 19:07.23 | morsing | What is a "hometown"? |
| 19:07.35 | morsing | boudiccas: Do you know? |
| 19:08.47 | rhowe | morsing: heh |
| 19:08.51 | rhowe | morsing: nfi what to really put |
| 19:09.01 | rhowe | wherever you are from originally? |
| 19:10.38 | morsing | rhowe: So it's where you're from originally? |
| 19:10.51 | rhowe | Whaley Bridge |
| 19:11.27 | morsing | Well, I was born and lived two years in Copenhagen, then three years in Holbaek, then I moved to Ringkoebing where I grew up and went to school. So which is it? |
| 19:11.30 | morsing | rhowe: So it's where you're from originally? |
| 19:14.13 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 19:16.12 | morsing | rhowe: Eeewwww... You're friends with GEORGE! |
| 19:21.15 | rhowe | morsing: Yeah, where you're from originally |
| 19:22.08 | morsing | rhowe: Well, which then? ;-) |
| 19:22.16 | rhowe | *shrug* :) |
| 19:24.13 | boudiccas | morsing; its the place where you were born and spent your formative years |
| 19:26.44 | morsing | That was two differrent places |
| 19:27.04 | morsing | I lived my first two years in Copenhagen but all my childhood in Ringkoebing |
| 19:35.27 | morsing | boudiccas: I love you too |
| 19:38.54 | boudiccas | morsing; the feeling is reciprocated :) |
| 19:45.38 | morsing | :) |
| 20:00.00 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 20:00.23 | wethrin | morsing? |
| 20:05.17 | morsing | wethrin: Got an email from Eliza this morning |
| 20:05.41 | wethrin | good |
| 20:06.49 | morsing | Pretty good - I didn't expect to hear from her so that's not bad especially since she wrote it at 1:30am and after her first Internet access since she arrived |
| 20:07.17 | morsing | How's Toby? Still depressed? |
| 20:07.27 | wethrin | nah |
| 20:07.32 | wethrin | mmm :) |
| 20:08.07 | morsing | mmm? |
| 20:08.31 | morsing | Pork scratchings mmm? |
| 20:14.36 | morsing | wethrin: What did you have for lunch? |
| 20:16.39 | wethrin | Sandwich |
| 20:16.45 | wethrin | Oooh. Pork scratchings. |
| 20:16.54 | morsing | Not sausages? |
| 20:16.57 | wethrin | I have some upstairs |
| 20:17.38 | morsing | ~seen leeds |
| 20:17.40 | ibot | leeds <i=1000@n219077080225.netvigator.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 3h 51m 15s ago, saying: 'lily says 'death' to me'. |
| 20:19.58 | morsing | Soooo.... .... Is Leeds..., -- Dead?! |
| 20:30.27 | boudiccas | morsing; no, he's just asleep atm |
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| 23:44.20 | wethrin | AnneC! |
| 23:44.41 | AnneC | wethrin! fuck I hate those vpns |
| 23:44.48 | wethrin | vpns suck |
| 23:44.59 | clive-h | They can have their uses |
| 23:45.16 | AnneC | they do the job, but the disconnection while you're on IRC |
| 23:45.25 | AnneC | talking about viagra and cialis |
| 23:45.36 | AnneC | is rather unwelcome |
| 23:45.53 | clive-h | as always |
| 23:46.23 | wethrin | Oh, the Perl folk |
| 23:47.26 | AnneC | yes, I'm just quite curious |
| 23:49.18 | wethrin | Mm |
| 23:51.39 | wethrin | Blarg. I appear to still be awake |
| 23:52.05 | AnneC | good on you. I'm still procrastinating on sequence diagrams |
| 23:52.18 | wethrin | that sounds fun |
| 23:52.34 | wethrin | fun in the way that only pulling your own fingernails out could match |
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| 23:52.54 | benoyst | good evening |
| 23:53.01 | wethrin | morning! |
| 23:53.10 | benoyst | ok, morning :) |
| 23:53.37 | benoyst | well, I was looking for a london lug, I think I've found it ! ;) |
| 23:54.00 | wethrin | You've found one, yes :) |
| 23:55.46 | benoyst | Great :) I'm moving in London in a few weeks and as a linux user/fan, I appreciate having hmm let's say 'local' news. |
| 23:56.42 | benoyst | and the gllug website refers to a beer festival. Wow, sounds good :) |
| 23:57.04 | wethrin | Ahh. You missed that :) |
| 23:57.09 | wethrin | It was last week |
| 23:57.11 | benoyst | no kidding ? :< |
| 23:57.20 | benoyst | I would like to volunnnnteer ! :)) |
| 23:57.30 | goltor | haha too slow, missed all the beer |
| 23:57.31 | wethrin | for the beer festival? |
| 23:57.37 | wethrin | Join CAMRA :) |
| 23:57.38 | benoyst | hahaha :) |
| 23:58.50 | benoyst | I'm going to stick with my linux hobby for now. I met a customer few weeks ago. And he introduced "The Business Pub" thing. Amazing. |
| 23:59.31 | benoyst | I can't say I did'nt appreciate. Actually, I can't really remember anything :) |