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| 04:52.49 | morsing | 'morning |
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| 07:47.43 | mumper | morning morsing!:) |
| 07:52.50 | phearless | hi geeks :) |
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| 08:18.32 | antiphase | Boo hoo |
| 08:18.55 | bilarh | antiphase: hehe, bitch ;) |
| 08:19.27 | bilarh | at least i've got the m4 to look at through my window |
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| 08:21.06 | blight | All, is there a way to force password change at login for a new user in Linux? |
| 08:22.00 | antiphase | Put /bin/passwd in their .bash_profile ;) |
| 08:22.55 | blight | antiphase: I just want them to change it once :-) |
| 08:23.38 | blight | Hmm chage(1) might work |
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| 09:06.29 | pawel | morning |
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| 09:13.04 | pawel | bbc is wired |
| 09:13.09 | pawel | watch bbc1 |
| 09:22.33 | antiphase | Are you from the TV Licensing police? |
| 09:26.16 | pawel | ]:-> |
| 09:26.21 | pawel | yeah |
| 09:26.44 | pawel | I've got the special devices here |
| 09:27.04 | pawel | we have discovered radio receivers |
| 09:30.38 | Ch0Hag | DANGER DANGER |
| 09:30.52 | Ch0Hag | Binaries in /usr unowned by a debian package. |
| 09:31.23 | pawel | wicked, it won't even load |
| 09:33.16 | pawel | it could be quite funny to see every single package compiled with a special version of gcc and signature, so that debian's version of kernel or glibc wouldn't allow you to use anything else |
| 10:10.03 | bilarh | hmm |
| 10:11.57 | morsing | bilarh! |
| 10:12.17 | bilarh | my san array is feeling poorly :( |
| 10:12.37 | bilarh | one of the volumes is using it's hot spare |
| 10:12.47 | bilarh | but the supposed fail drive is still fine, according to the manager |
| 10:12.50 | bilarh | and there's no fault light |
| 10:13.25 | hali | i bet someone replaced the drive and forgot to do a buldback |
| 10:13.28 | hali | buildback* |
| 10:13.44 | hali | it's just a flick about in santricity |
| 10:13.56 | hali | (if it was in those lsi boxes you mentioned) |
| 10:14.00 | bilarh | yep |
| 10:16.49 | bilarh | hmm |
| 10:16.59 | bilarh | my event log says "drive failed by controller" |
| 10:17.05 | bilarh | and then "drive failed - write failure" |
| 10:18.32 | bilarh | but it's not "fault lighted" |
| 10:19.36 | hali | you could try to online the drive and see if it kicks it out again |
| 10:22.53 | bilarh | but it's not offline :) |
| 10:22.59 | bilarh | maybe i should fail it instead |
| 10:23.08 | bilarh | i think i'll wait until tomorrow night, though |
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| 12:42.12 | dick_turpin | Can you keep the noise down I'm trying to work |
| 12:43.15 | wethrin | sorry |
| 12:44.37 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Crap, I just knew this new pidgin install was rubbish |
| 12:45.00 | wethrin | ha |
| 12:45.57 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Do us a favour do a message to me, I wanna see if the stupid thing flashes |
| 12:46.29 | boudiccas | isn't flashing illegal? |
| 12:46.55 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You seemed to enjoy it :-P |
| 12:46.55 | morsing | Wahey |
| 12:47.10 | morsing | Bruce is a genius |
| 12:47.15 | morsing | I AM FREE |
| 12:47.25 | boudiccas | i was just passing a irreverent comment :) |
| 12:47.46 | boudiccas | who is bruce and why is he a genius? |
| 12:48.09 | wethrin | dick_turpin: A message like this? |
| 12:48.10 | boudiccas | i prefer kopete to gaim/pidgin |
| 12:48.47 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Do it again I need to minimise the stupid Fing %&*£ thing |
| 12:49.58 | bilarh | man what a miserable day it is |
| 12:50.09 | wethrin | dick_turpin: What, this, or private? |
| 12:51.11 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Groan well that half worked cheers for that |
| 12:51.18 | wethrin | okay |
| 12:51.51 | dick_turpin | wethrin: When minimised the widow should flash |
| 12:52.06 | wethrin | ahh |
| 12:52.10 | wethrin | does it? |
| 12:52.11 | dick_turpin | wethrin: But oh no the icon just changes colour |
| 12:52.15 | wethrin | hum |
| 12:52.28 | bilarh | changing colours should be good enough for everyone |
| 12:52.39 | bilarh | aha, les frogs have vacated the kitchen |
| 12:52.42 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Its me own fault should have stuck with the one I made |
| 12:52.47 | wethrin | aye |
| 12:53.50 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You cheeky little minx I'm always working |
| 12:55.17 | boudiccas | you were slow to pick up on it though, you must've been busy |
| 12:55.46 | morsing | Why can't I get my apache-ssl running? |
| 12:55.55 | morsing | wethrin: Can you have a look please? |
| 12:56.09 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 12:56.18 | boudiccas | lets start with the basics. morsing is th emachine plugged in and swicthed on? |
| 12:56.20 | SlayerXP | morsing: you shouldn't be using apache-ssl. you should be running apache2 with modssl |
| 12:56.31 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: rolf |
| 12:56.36 | boudiccas | eh up, thats too technical for me :( |
| 12:56.40 | wethrin | morsing: It's behind you! |
| 12:57.19 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; rolf ?? you mean 'rofl' ?? |
| 12:57.26 | wethrin | he could have a laughing floor |
| 12:57.42 | boudiccas | yes, its possible i suppose |
| 12:58.09 | boudiccas | crivens its cold today |
| 12:58.14 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Look don't you start! bloody spell checker borked, colour at my end is awful, and someone has nicked me copy of Readers Wifes |
| 12:58.20 | dick_turpin | Wives |
| 12:59.12 | boudiccas | get some new crayons then to improve the colour, hide your copy of readers wives better, and thats all i can help you with |
| 12:59.44 | wethrin | morsing: You're using an HTTP connect thingy to do your tunnelling? |
| 13:00.53 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Its OK I found it mind you I wonder why someone took it in the loo? |
| 13:01.14 | boudiccas | a quiet reading place :) |
| 13:01.23 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i saw boudiccas run off with it earlier |
| 13:01.48 | bilarh | oh that worked so much better than i intended after you posted the last two lines |
| 13:01.58 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: They must have dropped it in the sink, a couple of pages seem stuck together |
| 13:01.59 | boudiccas | and i plead not guilty |
| 13:02.04 | boudiccas | lol |
| 13:06.43 | morsing | boudiccas: Well I'm here |
| 13:06.47 | morsing | SlayerXP: It doesn't work |
| 13:07.09 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Hows the coffee |
| 13:07.24 | morsing | wethrin: Don't know - I don't understand it. Ask Bruce |
| 13:08.06 | morsing | [Tue Aug 21 13:53:50 2007] [crit] (99)Cannot assign requested address: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.10.223.76 port 443 |
| 13:08.14 | morsing | wethrin: Have you had a look? |
| 13:08.41 | wethrin | No - you haven't given me your root password and IP address |
| 13:08.45 | wethrin | Without that, I can't do anything |
| 13:08.59 | wethrin | I suspect you've already got something listening on port 443 |
| 13:09.23 | morsing | wethrin: You have an account... |
| 13:09.29 | morsing | wethrin: I don't |
| 13:09.43 | wethrin | err |
| 13:09.48 | wethrin | No I don't |
| 13:09.56 | morsing | emil:~# netstat -Ainet -an | grep 443 |
| 13:09.56 | morsing | tcp 0 0 195.10.223.97:443 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN |
| 13:09.56 | morsing | tcp 0 52 195.10.223.97:443 81.144.225.196:22031 ESTABLISHED |
| 13:10.07 | wethrin | Oh, maybe I do |
| 13:10.13 | morsing | wethrin: I guarantee you you do... |
| 13:10.19 | bilarh | dick_turpin: it's good thanks, but I think the milk's a bit off |
| 13:10.42 | wethrin | morsing: What's my username, then? |
| 13:10.52 | morsing | wethrin |
| 13:10.56 | wethrin | ahh |
| 13:10.58 | bilarh | i dug some trenches around it to protect it |
| 13:11.06 | bilarh | the machine, that is, not the coffee |
| 13:11.19 | bilarh | or the milk |
| 13:11.28 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'm not happy I just had to make me own all the minions are out |
| 13:12.03 | wethrin | morsing: what's my password? |
| 13:12.07 | bilarh | it's hard working with french people you know |
| 13:12.19 | bilarh | i just want to run around and shout about la resistance all the time |
| 13:12.28 | bilarh | but i think that might get me fired |
| 13:12.42 | bilarh | unfortunately i haven't identified any germans to pit against the french yet |
| 13:13.02 | morsing | wethrin: Don't know - you have a key there |
| 13:13.14 | wethrin | Um. do I? |
| 13:13.22 | morsing | No wait - you don't |
| 13:13.22 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Just ask them about Marshall Petain that'll win you some freinds |
| 13:13.29 | morsing | wethrin: Email it to me |
| 13:14.01 | wethrin | What address? |
| 13:14.01 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Post it here :-) |
| 13:14.07 | wethrin | dick_turpin: I could do |
| 13:14.17 | wethrin | But people might object about the noise |
| 13:14.31 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Promise I wont use it ;-) |
| 13:14.46 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Don't mind if you do |
| 13:14.48 | wethrin | It's my public key |
| 13:15.01 | bilarh | oh, how unlucky is it to have a surname that is converted to 'whore' by changing one letter? :D |
| 13:15.05 | wethrin | So the worst you could do is give me access to an sshable system |
| 13:15.07 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Well thats not much use is it |
| 13:15.14 | wethrin | Sure it is |
| 13:15.32 | morsing | wethrin: PM me it or my email address? (Which I assume you know...) |
| 13:16.07 | wethrin | morsing: Yeah, just looked it up from a mailing list post |
| 13:16.10 | wethrin | Anyway, I sent it |
| 13:16.33 | wethrin | Ah, you've greylisted me |
| 13:17.07 | wethrin | So it'll retry in time |
| 13:19.11 | morsing | wethrin: Huh? So you don't have my email address? |
| 13:19.34 | morsing | wethrin: You're very observant... You constantly monitoring your logs? |
| 13:20.35 | wethrin | well, you implied you hadn't received it, so I checked my logs |
| 13:21.30 | niv_one_three | does anyone uses hylafax here? |
| 13:24.51 | morsing | wethrin: Try now |
| 13:25.01 | morsing | niv_one_three: In the '70s yes... |
| 13:25.23 | niv_one_three | oh ya - any way to get rss feeds here, I mean in to my irc client? |
| 13:26.07 | wethrin | morsing: No... |
| 13:26.16 | morsing | niv_one_three: Try cat /unix? |
| 13:26.20 | morsing | wethrin: Why not |
| 13:26.32 | wethrin | morsing: Asks me for a password |
| 13:26.41 | wethrin | Did you put it in to ~wethrin/.ssh/authorized_keys ? |
| 13:27.24 | morsing | Yes |
| 13:27.35 | morsing | What do you get? |
| 13:27.39 | wethrin | Password: |
| 13:27.39 | morsing | What's your IP? |
| 13:28.00 | wethrin | 195.10.223.77 |
| 13:28.09 | morsing | Try now |
| 13:28.15 | wethrin | No |
| 13:28.53 | murb | wethrin: maybe he put it in ~root/.ssh/authorized_keys :-) |
| 13:29.33 | antiphase | If StrictModes is Yes it may need the correct ownership and permission bits |
| 13:29.36 | wethrin | mmm :) |
| 13:29.49 | morsing | .ssh is 755 and autho... is 600 |
| 13:29.57 | murb | antiphase: does strictmodes work if it is all owned by root? |
| 13:30.05 | wethrin | .ssh should be 700 |
| 13:30.06 | antiphase | I don't believe so |
| 13:30.06 | murb | morsing: try making the .ssh 700 |
| 13:30.23 | wethrin | my authorized_keys is 644 |
| 13:30.40 | murb | my ~/.ssh is 755 |
| 13:30.44 | murb | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.46 | wethrin | does Debian do weird things to its ssh? |
| 13:34.57 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Can I ask a silly question? can you login with just a user name and password (not your key) |
| 13:35.27 | wethrin | dick_turpin: I don't know the password |
| 13:35.37 | murb | wethrin: irc does if you pasted it. |
| 13:35.50 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Ah |
| 13:36.24 | dick_turpin | wethrin: And I take it you've disabled root login like a good boy? |
| 13:36.36 | murb | leaving root login is useful |
| 13:36.38 | murb | for things like backups |
| 13:36.44 | murb | and being able to do stuff as root |
| 13:36.57 | murb | as some times only root is permitted to login. |
| 13:37.10 | murb | if say nologin is set |
| 13:37.30 | wethrin | dick_turpin: NFI. I'm not sshing to my own box |
| 13:37.36 | wethrin | I'm trying to connect to morsings |
| 13:37.43 | dick_turpin | murb: You may well know more than me but I always disallow root login you can always su - root |
| 13:38.03 | wethrin | Plus that's what serial consoles are for |
| 13:38.33 | murb | wethrin: well it gets set on shutdown and if you are unlucky can remain on restart. |
| 13:39.07 | murb | dick_turpin: well it is always useful to have a plan b |
| 13:39.14 | murb | permitting root logins is such a plan b |
| 13:39.19 | murb | i also like automated backups |
| 13:39.28 | murb | 'cos i'm too lazy to do them manually. |
| 13:39.58 | wethrin | I think root might be permitted to login to hades |
| 13:40.24 | wethrin | hm. morsing's gone. I presume this means he's fixed his apache/ssl problem |
| 13:40.31 | murb | dick_turpin: you might not have added users to wheel yet. |
| 13:40.42 | dick_turpin | wethrin: who was you trying to log into? |
| 13:40.43 | wethrin | Linux doesn't use wheel, does it? |
| 13:40.50 | wethrin | As RMS doesn't believe in it |
| 13:40.54 | murb | I like PermitRootLogin without-password |
| 13:41.05 | murb | wethrin: I don't believe in RMS. |
| 13:41.14 | wethrin | No, he's becoming increasingly irrelevant |
| 13:41.17 | murb | wethrin: i wonder what he thinks about SELinux. |
| 13:41.21 | murb | actually i don't. |
| 13:41.27 | wethrin | as Linux makes more and more inroads into the real world |
| 13:41.39 | wethrin | SELinux is more annoying than is worth dealing with |
| 13:41.55 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I hate it I always disable it |
| 13:43.33 | wethrin | I wonder if I've got W^X turned on in O'BSD |
| 13:45.36 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I can ssh to the IP you gave but then I suppose you can too |
| 13:45.52 | wethrin | which? I gave the IP for my own box |
| 13:45.56 | wethrin | I can ssh to that |
| 13:46.05 | murb | so can i probably if i can find my key. |
| 13:46.07 | wethrin | and it works with key-based auth |
| 13:46.23 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Oops I'll get me coat |
| 13:46.24 | wethrin | murb: Yes, although the IP address has changed since you last logged in |
| 13:46.47 | wethrin | dick_turpin: morsing's machine gets me a Password: prompt when trying to log in |
| 13:47.25 | dick_turpin | wethrin: So can morsing do reverse tunneling to you? |
| 13:47.31 | wethrin | no idea |
| 13:47.40 | wethrin | He doesn't have an account on hades |
| 13:48.07 | dick_turpin | wethrin: mozrat did that for me a year or so ago |
| 13:48.59 | wethrin | hm |
| 13:49.08 | wethrin | I think it's just a permissions problem that needs to be fixed |
| 13:49.20 | wethrin | And if that doesn't work, then I'm going to blame Debian for playing silly buggers |
| 13:49.41 | murb | wethrin: has hades run out of randomness? |
| 13:49.54 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Fair enough I was just trying to help but making a mess of it as usual |
| 13:50.34 | wethrin | murb: nah - there's enough random people using it.. |
| 13:50.39 | wethrin | dick_turpin: s'ok |
| 13:51.38 | murb | wethrin: well it hangs for me on SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent |
| 13:53.11 | wethrin | murb: trying to log in to hades? |
| 13:53.24 | murb | yep |
| 13:53.28 | murb | and waiting |
| 13:53.29 | antiphase | You need the debug output from the server to work out anything meaningful |
| 13:53.30 | murb | and waiting |
| 13:54.05 | wethrin | hmm...rDNS? |
| 13:54.12 | wethrin | no, you have some |
| 13:54.37 | wethrin | it gives a timeout before authentication in /var/log/authlog |
| 13:56.00 | murb | same fun with v6. |
| 13:56.14 | murb | i thought it might be mtu related due to home being behind pppoe |
| 13:58.09 | wethrin | are you not mtu-frobbing? |
| 14:00.41 | morsing | wethrin: Try again |
| 14:01.06 | wethrin | Still asks for password |
| 14:01.13 | wethrin | Can you just reset my password? |
| 14:01.16 | morsing | wethrin: You nutter |
| 14:01.20 | morsing | I can... |
| 14:01.24 | wethrin | k |
| 14:01.27 | murb | wethrin: i guess my adsl router is. |
| 14:01.40 | morsing | passwd: Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info. |
| 14:01.40 | morsing | passwd: password unchanged |
| 14:01.50 | wethrin | morsing: Am I not in your /etc/passwd ? |
| 14:01.52 | morsing | I have a feling there's something wrong with your account ;-) |
| 14:01.58 | wethrin | it seems so |
| 14:02.06 | wethrin | murb: Wonder why you're having trouble, then |
| 14:03.07 | murb | well after the ssh version exchange everything stops |
| 14:03.11 | murb | so it isn't related to my username |
| 14:03.20 | murb | that is why it hought it might be hades lacking entropy or something. |
| 14:03.44 | wethrin | no - I think it falls back to pseudo-random generation if there's not enough real entropy |
| 14:03.53 | wethrin | Often it's DNS troubles that cause things to hang |
| 14:05.05 | wethrin | fah |
| 14:05.45 | morsing | wethrin: Try now |
| 14:05.54 | wethrin | still asks me for a password |
| 14:06.14 | morsing | Passwd is my favourite member of your family but with a 0 (zero) |
| 14:06.20 | morsing | Please change it |
| 14:06.46 | morsing | What dog? |
| 14:07.15 | wethrin | morsing: Oi - authorized_keys has wrong ownerships |
| 14:07.19 | wethrin | That might be why it didn't work |
| 14:07.21 | morsing | Does it? |
| 14:07.29 | wethrin | Yes |
| 14:07.30 | morsing | Have you changed your password? |
| 14:07.32 | wethrin | Yes |
| 14:07.35 | morsing | Thanks |
| 14:07.36 | wethrin | It's owned by root.root |
| 14:07.39 | morsing | Keys work then? |
| 14:07.42 | wethrin | No |
| 14:07.49 | wethrin | You need to change the ownership |
| 14:07.51 | morsing | wethrin: Ahh.... I only changed permissions then ;-) |
| 14:07.54 | wethrin | yeah |
| 14:08.15 | wethrin | change group ownership to users (.ssh, and .ssh/*), and user to wethrin (.ssh/*) |
| 14:08.16 | morsing | Done |
| 14:08.31 | wethrin | Right. That works. |
| 14:08.35 | wethrin | Now I don't need a password |
| 14:08.46 | morsing | Cool - so back to the original problem... |
| 14:10.01 | wethrin | anyway. You've got something listening on port 443 |
| 14:10.45 | pawel | :> |
| 14:10.49 | wethrin | pawel! |
| 14:10.50 | wethrin | LTNS |
| 14:10.58 | morsing | wethrin: On .76? I don't think so... |
| 14:11.00 | pawel | wethrin: ! |
| 14:11.01 | pawel | :> |
| 14:11.02 | morsing | LTNS? |
| 14:11.05 | morsing | ibot LTNS |
| 14:11.06 | ibot | "Long Time No See" |
| 14:11.06 | pawel | hello |
| 14:11.12 | morsing | pawel: cmok-cmok |
| 14:11.17 | pawel | morsing: :* |
| 14:11.18 | pawel | ;> |
| 14:11.21 | morsing | Yuck |
| 14:11.24 | morsing | :) |
| 14:11.37 | wethrin | netstat -l -t | grep https |
| 14:11.45 | pawel | wethrin: it's been a while |
| 14:11.46 | pawel | ;> |
| 14:11.59 | wethrin | yup. However, I need to now go back into the cleanroom, and do some work |
| 14:12.00 | wethrin | Later! |
| 14:12.09 | pawel | cleanroom? |
| 14:12.13 | pawel | :> |
| 14:12.24 | pawel | mental unit? |
| 14:12.25 | pawel | ;> |
| 14:12.30 | morsing | wethrin: Yeah but that's a different address! |
| 14:13.37 | pawel | I can put something together for the meeting |
| 14:13.41 | pawel | about my Z |
| 14:13.42 | pawel | :> |
| 14:13.54 | pawel | I've got few toys |
| 14:15.09 | morsing | Z? |
| 14:15.30 | pawel | Zaurus |
| 14:15.31 | pawel | :> |
| 14:16.10 | pawel | I wouldn't call it "a speech", but I can do some post mortem examination |
| 14:16.28 | morsing | rhowe: Why are you ignoring me? |
| 14:16.36 | rhowe | 'cause I'm working :) |
| 14:16.45 | pawel | morsing: cos u'r ungly |
| 14:16.50 | morsing | rhowe: More photos: http://www.morsing.cc/billed.php?STEDPeak_District |
| 14:16.51 | pawel | s/ungly/ugly/ |
| 14:16.56 | morsing | Nice |
| 14:17.31 | pawel | I hate Asterisk |
| 14:17.32 | pawel | :> |
| 14:29.13 | Leeds | pawel: what's new? |
| 14:30.08 | Leeds | generally in life, that is |
| 14:30.48 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 14:36.31 | morsing | Leeds?> |
| 14:47.55 | *** part/#gllug dick_turpin (n=dick_tur@host217-34-163-30.in-addr.btopenworld.com) |
| 14:49.56 | gw280 | ibot change 290 BRL to GBP |
| 14:50.19 | gw280 | ibot change 290 BRL to GBP |
| 14:50.20 | murb | ibot make george less annoying. |
| 14:50.21 | ibot | make: *** No rule to make target `george less annoying.'. Stop. |
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| 14:53.25 | pawel | Leeds: I'm back in London |
| 14:53.26 | pawel | Leeds: :> |
| 16:03.18 | goibhniu | any suggestions for a cli app to play music streamed from icecast/m3u? |
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| 16:15.04 | z00dax | goibhniu: moc ? |
| 16:17.21 | goibhniu | hmm ... looks spicy, thanks |
| 16:20.39 | goibhniu | it's a pity ogg123 doesn't do it though |
| 16:24.52 | z00dax | moc is quite cool, will do loads |
| 16:25.26 | goibhniu | hmm .. it doesn't do anything when I add the url |
| 16:26.47 | z00dax | i can stream music fine, perhaps you need to look at the docs ? |
| 16:26.57 | z00dax | also, you might need a suiteable decoder for the stream type |
| 16:27.35 | goibhniu | it flashes up "connecting ..." |
| 16:27.40 | goibhniu | and then does nothing |
| 16:28.36 | goibhniu | looks interesting alright, I'll read up about it later |
| 16:29.37 | z00dax | maybe just use mplayer for now then :) |
| 16:32.23 | goibhniu | that doesn't seem to do it from the command line either |
| 16:32.41 | goibhniu | realplayer works ... poorly |
| 16:32.55 | goibhniu | mpd would surely work |
| 17:02.45 | morsing | Beer |
| 17:05.59 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 17:14.05 | morsing | Can someone help with this weird apache-ssl problem please? |
| 17:14.28 | morsing | :( |
| 17:14.32 | morsing | z00dax? |
| 17:15.14 | murb | morsing: any reason you are using apache-ssl rather than normal apache and mod_ssl? |
| 17:15.40 | morsing | murb: Yes - it works |
| 17:15.54 | morsing | And as usual with you - THAT'S NOT MY QUESTION! |
| 17:16.12 | murb | morsing: otoh you are not getting it to work. |
| 17:16.20 | morsing | ibot otoh |
| 17:16.20 | ibot | from memory, otoh is On The Other Hand. It's YAFA. |
| 17:16.31 | murb | on the other hand. |
| 17:16.31 | morsing | murb: But that's not apache's fault |
| 17:16.42 | murb | no. |
| 17:16.48 | murb | what is the problem? |
| 17:16.51 | morsing | So wouldn't make a difference |
| 17:17.28 | morsing | [Tue Aug 21 18:12:10 2007] /usr/lib/apache-ssl/gcache started |
| 17:17.28 | morsing | [Tue Aug 21 18:12:10 2007] [crit] (99)Cannot assign requested address: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.10.223.76 port 443 |
| 17:18.46 | morsing | What's gcache? |
| 17:18.50 | morsing | ibot gcache |
| 17:18.51 | ibot | Generic cache class for Python. URL: ftp://minkirri.apana.org.au/pub/python/GCache-0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 17:19.15 | morsing | Doesn't make much sense |
| 17:19.42 | murb | morsing: sessino cache |
| 17:19.54 | murb | is that the correct IP address? |
| 17:20.16 | morsing | For what? It's the correct one it's trying to allocate yes |
| 17:20.24 | morsing | As specified in the config file |
| 17:20.26 | murb | hmm does nc -vlp 443 work? |
| 17:20.33 | murb | as root? |
| 17:21.18 | morsing | What's root? |
| 17:21.51 | morsing | emil:/etc/init.d# nc -vlp 443 |
| 17:21.51 | morsing | retrying local 0.0.0.0:443 : Address already in use |
| 17:22.05 | murb | ok seems you already have something using that address |
| 17:22.12 | murb | that is why the bind() is failling. |
| 17:22.34 | morsing | Well, yes, that would be what the apache log indicated... |
| 17:22.43 | morsing | So how do I find out what? |
| 17:22.48 | murb | if you have fuser installed try fuser -vv -n tcp 443 |
| 17:23.02 | murb | or also as root netstat -alnp | grep 443 |
| 17:23.14 | morsing | emil:/etc/init.d# fuser -vv -n tcp 443 |
| 17:23.14 | morsing | USER PID ACCESS COMMAND |
| 17:23.14 | morsing | 443/tcp: root 14921 F.... sshd |
| 17:23.17 | morsing | FFS! |
| 17:23.35 | murb | morsing: you can get a proxy that will do SSL and SSH on the same port. |
| 17:23.55 | murb | or if you have more than one ip address tell ssh to listen to a specific ip. |
| 17:24.10 | morsing | Hang on, there no IP address in that listing? |
| 17:24.57 | morsing | emil:/etc/init.d# netstat -alnp | grep 443 |
| 17:24.57 | morsing | tcp 0 0 195.10.223.97:443 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 15671/sshd |
| 17:25.04 | morsing | No that's not it... |
| 17:25.09 | morsing | I don't get it... |
| 17:25.18 | murb | 0.0.0.0 means it is listening on everything. |
| 17:25.45 | morsing | Yes - aa is should but it's only *binding* to 195.10.223.97 |
| 17:25.49 | murb | morsing: 19*2*.10.223.76 |
| 17:25.55 | morsing | ? |
| 17:26.08 | murb | address: make_sock: could not bind to address 192.10.223.76 |
| 17:26.16 | morsing | Ahh.... |
| 17:26.18 | murb | rather than say 195.10.223.76 |
| 17:26.18 | morsing | :) |
| 17:27.06 | morsing | Yeah running now :) |
| 17:27.11 | morsing | I owe you a beer |
| 17:48.08 | murb | anyone seen formi recently? |
| 17:49.34 | morsing | ~seen formi |
| 17:49.39 | ibot | formi <n=formi@82-35-199-219.cable.ubr01.camd.blueyonder.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 193d 3h 50m 34s ago, saying: 'those cars are usually driven by twats'. |
| 17:51.37 | morsing | So no... |
| 17:54.08 | morsing | Ok can someone figure out which of the following I need: |
| 17:54.09 | morsing | http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/applying/nationality/formsandguidance/ |
| 17:55.24 | murb | morsing: you want a british passport? |
| 17:55.46 | morsing | Ermm... Yes? Has that been unclear over the four years we've known each other? |
| 17:55.58 | morsing | It's the reason I came here |
| 17:56.12 | murb | you probably want http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/6353/11406/anform2007.pdf |
| 17:56.30 | murb | "naturalisation as a British citizen" |
| 17:56.44 | morsing | Nope - My parents aren't biriths |
| 17:56.46 | cpufreak | wethrin: about? |
| 17:56.46 | morsing | Britis |
| 17:56.48 | morsing | h |
| 17:57.02 | murb | unless you've ever been a british citzen before. |
| 17:57.11 | murb | morsing: naturalisation mean becoming by living in .uk |
| 17:57.11 | morsing | I think it's "T" |
| 17:58.11 | murb | morsing: that is for people born in the uk |
| 17:58.23 | murb | registration means you were entitled to it anyway. |
| 17:58.31 | morsing | No - that's if your parents are foreign but you were born here |
| 17:58.48 | murb | ouch they charge 655 |
| 17:58.57 | murb | morsing: yes, after 1983 |
| 17:59.31 | morsing | I can't figure out which one still :( |
| 18:00.08 | murb | morsing: btw it is harder if you are an EEA citizen. |
| 18:00.26 | murb | asbefore i think 2002 you had to apply for indefinate leave to remain before you can start counting years |
| 18:00.29 | murb | i think that might have changed. |
| 18:01.09 | morsing | That has changed... |
| 18:01.14 | morsing | I've always had that |
| 18:01.38 | murb | morsing: you have to apply for it, but the problem is you don't need it if you are an EEA citizen. |
| 18:01.48 | morsing | So which form do I need? |
| 18:02.33 | murb | read guide A4 first. |
| 18:02.38 | murb | AN Guide |
| 18:02.55 | murb | http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/6353/11406/guidean1.pdf |
| 18:04.16 | murb | morsing: when did you come to the uk? |
| 18:08.48 | morsing | 2002 |
| 18:09.43 | murb | oh and it costs 655 quid, but you get 80 quid back if you are unsuccessful. |
| 18:10.06 | murb | there is also this book http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-United-Kingdom-Journey-Citizenship/dp/0113413025 |
| 18:10.17 | murb | which you are supposed to read |
| 18:10.25 | morsing | Can't be bothered ;-) |
| 18:11.03 | murb | well you have to pass a test base on what is in it. |
| 18:12.24 | morsing | Can I communicate in English to an acceptable degree? |
| 18:12.52 | morsing | murb: Test? Like the one I've already passed? Or what? There are no more tests |
| 18:13.36 | murb | morsing: what test have you passed? |
| 18:14.06 | morsing | Life in the UK test |
| 18:14.23 | morsing | It's the only one... |
| 18:14.36 | antiphase | You're only allowed to be British if you holiday in Falaraki and drink 20 pints of Stella on Friday night |
| 18:15.01 | antiphase | All while speaking with the Received Pronunciation |
| 18:15.23 | morsing | antiphase: Watch it... |
| 18:15.24 | murb | morsing: oh so you then just need to fill out that form and send off 655 quid then i guess. |
| 18:15.36 | murb | morsing: probably worth getting someone else to read the form before you send it off as well. |
| 18:15.43 | morsing | I eat black pudding every morning and I've tasted salt & vinegar crisps |
| 18:15.49 | murb | 'cos you don't want to waste the cash 'cos of a silly mistake. |
| 18:15.54 | morsing | Yeah |
| 18:15.58 | murb | morsing: but you didn't inhale? |
| 18:16.06 | murb | (the crisps) |
| 18:16.10 | morsing | :) |
| 18:16.46 | antiphase | If they ask, Richard III burnt his fish and chips whilst fiddling as Rome was burning |
| 18:17.05 | murb | morsing: if you get the citizenship will danemakr take away your ciitzenship? |
| 18:22.39 | morsing | yes - Fortunately. One of the main reasons for doing it |
| 18:25.57 | morsing | Huh... murb - you still there? |
| 18:26.04 | morsing | Read the bottom of page 5 |
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| 18:29.13 | morsing | goltor the great! |
| 18:30.12 | wethrin | cpufreak: Yo? |
| 18:30.25 | morsing | wethrin! |
| 18:30.29 | morsing | wethrin: How are you? |
| 18:30.30 | wethrin | morsing! |
| 18:30.32 | goltor | how goes it? |
| 18:30.36 | morsing | Good thanks |
| 18:30.41 | wethrin | I'm okay. Still in t'office |
| 18:30.48 | morsing | And Murphy? |
| 18:31.24 | wethrin | Great. I'm getting spam to my primary email address :( |
| 18:31.27 | morsing | wethrin: What did you have for lunch? |
| 18:31.35 | wethrin | Sandwich |
| 18:31.41 | morsing | Chicken? |
| 18:31.45 | wethrin | yes |
| 18:32.29 | morsing | Damn. They need my passport for three months which means I have to find a period where I won't leave for three months... |
| 18:34.03 | morsing | 30/9 - 22/12 is not three months... Too close? |
| 18:34.48 | wethrin | might be |
| 18:37.13 | morsing | Goodbye X-mas |
| 18:37.43 | wethrin | Mmm |
| 18:43.59 | goltor | xmas is overrated :-/ |
| 18:45.26 | murb | rate it down then. |
| 18:46.08 | murb | morsing: can you get a danish ID card or don't they have such things? |
| 18:46.25 | murb | if y, you could use that for travelling atleast in the eu. |
| 18:46.36 | morsing | murb: EU yes - UK no. |
| 18:46.38 | morsing | If only |
| 18:47.03 | murb | morsing: my wife has travelled to the uk on an german ID card a few times without problems. |
| 18:47.13 | morsing | And it's got nothing to do with Danish anything. An EU driving licence is ID enough to travel around the EU (-UK) |
| 18:47.24 | morsing | murb: She's a brave woman |
| 18:47.32 | murb | morsing: i know she married me! |
| 18:47.39 | morsing | No comments... |
| 18:48.12 | murb | morsing: but if you can get a danish ID card it would make things easier. |
| 18:48.21 | morsing | Makes no difference |
| 18:48.34 | murb | why? if you have a card that lets you travel about the EU |
| 18:48.36 | morsing | I've got my EU/UK driving licence |
| 18:48.43 | morsing | Like my driving licence |
| 18:48.45 | murb | which isn't a travel document. |
| 18:48.56 | morsing | Neither is an ID card |
| 18:49.51 | murb | morsing: so denmark doesn't have one then. |
| 18:50.34 | morsing | No - well, it used to be the Dankort but they removed the photo |
| 18:50.45 | murb | ok. can you get a 2nd passport? |
| 18:51.13 | murb | say if you want to travel to saudi and israel on business? |
| 18:51.33 | morsing | Oehrmmmm? What? |
| 18:52.06 | murb | morsing: I know the UK passport agency or whatever they're called today would give people more than one passport if they had a good reason for wanting one. |
| 18:52.16 | murb | wondering if the danish would do the same? |
| 18:52.29 | morsing | But how would I get it ;-) |
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| 18:52.47 | murb | morsing: go to denmark and ask for one? |
| 18:52.47 | morsing | gnudo! |
| 18:52.54 | murb | see if they'll actually do it? |
| 18:52.54 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 18:53.13 | murb | (don't tell them the real reason why!!) |
| 18:53.15 | morsing | 'k. Well, in theory, if I've lost it, they should be able to get me a new one |
| 18:53.37 | murb | morsing: nah you don't want to do that, 'cos they'll put it on a database of lost or stolen passports which the uk might check. |
| 18:53.42 | gnudo | ie been googling for quite a while now but could not find any FREE web based email service that gives you POP and IMAP! |
| 18:54.01 | wethrin | you're unlikely to find them |
| 18:54.02 | murb | gnudo: do you want a moon a a stick as well? |
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| 18:58.12 | wethrin | did we answer his question? |
| 18:58.35 | murb | wethrin: it was more a statement. |
| 18:58.48 | wethrin | well, yes |
| 18:59.09 | murb | and he was impatient. |
| 18:59.14 | cpufreak | hey wethrin |
| 18:59.15 | wethrin | lots of people on IRC are |
| 18:59.17 | wethrin | hi cpufreak |
| 18:59.31 | murb | well servers them right if they leave before an answer then. |
| 18:59.34 | wethrin | If no-one responds within 30 seconds, they're off, saying that no-one's around |
| 18:59.36 | cpufreak | I'm about 90% sure I can do that talk for you on the 22nd |
| 18:59.39 | wethrin | hurrah! |
| 18:59.49 | cpufreak | not sure yet what I'll be allowed to talk about. |
| 18:59.52 | wethrin | When will you know for definite? |
| 18:59.59 | cpufreak | but have submitted some proposals to my boss |
| 19:00.21 | wethrin | excellent |
| 19:00.27 | cpufreak | well I'm currently in slovenia on business, so probably next week when I'm back in the office. |
| 19:00.57 | wethrin | okay - I'll need to chase up a couple of people as well, and that should be fine |
| 19:01.11 | cpufreak | if you're full I can do the next month too |
| 19:01.25 | wethrin | Nah, we won't be full |
| 19:01.29 | murb | gllug tends not to get full! |
| 19:01.31 | murb | if only! |
| 19:01.35 | wethrin | And I won't be able to organise next month |
| 19:01.49 | wethrin | Maybe another 6 months down the line :) |
| 19:01.53 | cpufreak | :) |
| 19:02.45 | wethrin | If I move closer to London, I can be more active |
| 19:03.48 | wethrin | Is it time to go home yet? |
| 19:05.35 | cpufreak | I'm in my hotel, so clearly |
| 19:05.57 | wethrin | okay |
| 19:06.01 | wethrin | later! |
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| 19:23.52 | murb | morsing: page 26 |
| 19:23.59 | murb | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.06 | murb | oh forget that. |
| 19:26.27 | antiphase | Gentoo is so gay |
| 19:29.18 | goibhniu | are you a buntu these days? |
| 19:29.25 | morsing | BEER |
| 19:29.59 | goibhniu | this cookie thing is driving me insane ... and the nvidia freezes ... but I still think I have a better chance with gentoo than anything else |
| 19:30.29 | antiphase | HAH |
| 19:30.33 | antiphase | Use CentOS |
| 19:30.38 | goibhniu | uggh |
| 19:30.44 | goibhniu | what a horrible name for a distro |
| 19:31.23 | goibhniu | I'd consider arch |
| 19:32.59 | goibhniu | I should probably just ditch gnome |
| 19:33.49 | antiphase | Try twm for a bit and then be thankful of what you have ;) |
| 19:34.52 | goibhniu | I need my compiz though ... and kde has an ugly clock |
| 19:35.02 | goibhniu | I guess it's going to be xfce |
| 19:35.22 | antiphase | You can change the clock trivially. Mine looks like the date and time in a standard font |
| 19:35.35 | goibhniu | can you make it vertical? |
| 19:35.48 | antiphase | Those 3D compositing WMs are gimmicks to try and attract Windows weenies |
| 19:36.04 | goibhniu | I don't think so .. I find it really useful |
| 19:36.20 | antiphase | The cube thing? |
| 19:36.41 | goibhniu | I pretty much have all the effects turned off, but I use transparency quite a bit |
| 19:36.59 | antiphase | What for? |
| 19:37.00 | goibhniu | the live views of active windows is handy too |
| 19:37.33 | goibhniu | I'm a web monkey ... e.g. checking everything looks exactly the same in IE and FF and opera |
| 19:37.46 | goibhniu | or tailing a log while refreshing a page |
| 19:38.22 | goibhniu | and you can position windows with shortcuts |
| 19:38.37 | goibhniu | and I only ever use gnome-launch-box for starting apps |
| 19:38.51 | goibhniu | saves on clicking |
| 19:38.58 | goibhniu | and dragging |
| 19:39.10 | morsing | Beer |
| 19:40.43 | antiphase | Sounds like a load of crackerjack BS to me. I have keyboard shortcuts for resizing and moving windows, it takes longer than using the mouse though |
| 19:40.58 | antiphase | H/V maximize is all I make much use of |
| 19:41.06 | morsing | Not if you get used to it |
| 19:41.26 | antiphase | I mostly work in xterms though |
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| 19:42.00 | morsing | mylesbraithwaite! |
| 19:44.50 | morsing | What is Crown service? |
| 19:47.04 | morsing | What is Crown service? |
| 19:49.44 | antiphase | When you take a Crown and make it into plates and cutlery |
| 19:49.54 | goibhniu | it's when a large imperialist nation forceably conquers and enslaves a group of people and then divides them sociologically and sets them free to fight amongst themselves |
| 19:50.14 | *** mode/#gllug [+o morsing] by ChanServ |
| 19:50.26 | morsing | antiphase: Is that your final answer? |
| 19:50.56 | morsing | goibhniu: So if I've done that I can become a citizen? According to this form... |
| 19:50.59 | *** mode/#gllug [-o morsing] by morsing |
| 19:51.56 | goibhniu | morsing: it helps |
| 19:52.00 | morsing | Weird |
| 20:03.52 | goibhniu | arrgghh .. freakin cookies! |
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| 20:11.30 | morsing | goibhniu! |
| 20:30.11 | trousers1 | morsing! |
| 21:01.49 | gw280 | OH DEAR GOD IT'S TROUSERS |
| 21:38.06 | trousers1 | gw280: Was passiert? |
| 21:39.13 | trousers_ | gw280: How fares university? |
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| 21:54.48 | etorix | e |
| 22:00.44 | wethrin | q |
| 22:04.00 | etorix | we could have a harmony |
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| 23:59.33 | z00dax | gw280: ping |
| 23:59.37 | gw280 | z00dax: pong |
| 23:59.47 | z00dax | gw280: do you still have the SMC 3bay, 5drive sata hotswap cage ? |
| 23:59.53 | gw280 | yes |