IRC log for #gllug on 20070901

00:08.29*** join/#gllug catalyst (n=catalyst@allegro/user/angelchild)
01:23.58morsing'morning
01:30.39morsingNo-one awake then?
01:56.16morsingz00dax?
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02:07.57morsingmylesbraithwaite!
06:05.28morsingBeer
06:13.37morsingping Leeds
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07:02.47morsinggethoper!
08:51.02andrew___ping morsing
09:53.50Leedshello
09:56.06AnneCoh hello Leeds
09:56.15AnneCmorsing!
09:56.31AnneCandrew___!
10:11.58Leedsbonjour AnneC
10:12.34AnneChow's the wedding going, is that this afternoon?
10:13.35Leedsthe wedding itself is tomorrow evening
10:13.52Leedslast night my parents hosted a large (50 people or so) dinner party - it was a really good night :-0
10:13.53Leeds:-)
10:14.27AnneCcool... friends you hadn't seen for a while and things like that hopefully?
10:16.05Leedsnot so much my friends, but family friends, yes - and some nice Canadians from the groom's side of things
10:16.23Leedshad a bit of a camera-geek chat with a couple of them
10:16.34AnneChe he
10:17.10Leedsnot that I am actually a camera geek, but I can talk the talk a bit ;-)
10:21.35morsingandrew___!
10:21.38morsingAnneC!
10:21.46AnneCmorsing!
10:22.08morsingAnneC: How are you?
10:22.13AnneC3 people I thought I'd bored to death with the N95 actually got one
10:22.45AnneCohI'm fine enough morsing, only 1 drink yesterday while watching others play poker
10:22.54AnneChow come, terrible night?
10:25.47morsingI woke up at 2am and couldn't go back to sleep, so I put some holiday photos on my website, went out for a walk and at 7am to a cafe for breakfast. Came home at 8am and fell asleep again but I'm very, very tired :(  And I have so much I need to do today :(
10:26.58AnneCyes, get going, you didn't waste your time doing nothing at night - that's the good thing
10:27.12AnneCand it's the week end!!!
10:27.16morsing:)
10:29.31AnneCanything we can hear about you're doing today morsing?
10:49.56andrew___I used to be able to get on with things at night if I woke, now find it harder to decided to get out of bed and start something
10:50.58morsingAnneC: Have to write to the danish tax people, complete my citisenship application, email an old friend, lots of cleaning, gardening, service and work on the cars, sort out some business related stuff, and some bits and pieces
10:51.11morsingandrew___: Me too :(
10:51.43morsingzzz
10:51.45andrew___Is this insomniacs anonymous. Perhaps we should start #insomniacs
10:51.50morsing:)
10:52.05morsingI've had some weird sleep issues lately
10:52.21morsingslayerXP is a genius
10:52.38morsingAnneC: You're a morning person? I normally wake up at about 6am
10:53.07AnneCI do try at that time to stay in bed and sleep
10:53.11morsingOh, I also need to cut my hair today!
10:53.18AnneCI'm not a morning person at all
10:53.32morsing:(
10:53.35AnneCand don't have internet where I stay during the week :\
10:54.09AnneCdon't you have clippers?
10:54.31morsingI do
10:59.00LeedsI need to cut my nails
11:00.13AnneCmorsing: everything will be all right :-)
11:01.45morsingAnneC: Thanks :)
11:01.54morsingLeeds: Nice
11:02.22morsingAnneC: Can you come help with my garden?
11:02.29AnneCLeeds, you know I've kept this picture I took of you ;-)
11:02.50AnneCoh noes morsing. My dream garden is made of cement
11:02.54morsing:(
11:04.17AnneCEven a cactus would die if I took care of it :-|
11:06.21morsingOh no :(
11:24.54LeedsAnneC: which picture?
11:25.12morsingandrew___: Should I eat my doughnut now or leave it for later?
11:25.13andrew___Hi leeds. Are you in spain now?
11:25.25Leedsandrew___: indeed I am :-)
11:25.36andrew___When is/was the wedding?
11:25.37AnneCthe one from the pub with you looking really nasty :-)
11:26.50Leedsthat fits many photos people have taken of me ;-)
11:27.29morsingAny LaTeX gurus here?
11:27.56morsing! Missing $ inserted.
11:27.57morsing<inserted text> $
11:27.57morsingl.29 \opening{Angende skatterestance}
11:28.01morsingWhat?
11:28.09andrew___I have no views on morsing's doughnut!  but am wondering wether to get started on something I am putting off or have lunch
11:28.40andrew___I think I need to /join #procrastinators
11:35.21morsing:(
11:36.57morsingI'm eating it now then - it was staring at me!
11:49.49morsingDid you all leave? :(
11:51.19AnneCno morsing - I've left to get some food as well
11:51.31morsingDoughnuts?
11:51.35morsingFor all of us?
11:51.45AnneCCouscous
11:52.19AnneCjust the grains, none of the nice stuff around like the vegs
11:52.57AnneCI'm annoyed, I can't find anywhere nearby a place that sells doghnuts with apple flavour
11:53.07AnneCI *miss* them
11:53.13morsingYuck! There's a reason for that!
11:53.27morsingKrispy Kreme has them
11:53.51AnneCI find jam donuts really boring
11:53.53z00daxmorsing: ?
11:55.24morsingz00dax: You're back!
11:55.39morsingAnneC: Bacon doughnuts maybe?
11:56.03AnneCno. APPLE.
11:56.09AnneCthey just rock
11:56.11z00daxrar!
11:56.15morsingMmm... Bacon doughnuts
11:56.37AnneCbacon donuts can't be worse than jam donuts.
11:56.41z00daxthat sounds.... just plain wrong.... bacon doughnuts
11:57.00AnneCsalt and sweet together, I might give it a try
11:57.01morsingz00dax: Why?
11:57.08AnneCKetchup donuts?
11:57.12morsingAnneC: You a meat lover?
11:57.15morsingLike me?
11:57.21z00daxi like maple syrup d'nuts
11:57.24z00daxwith my cawfee
11:57.35AnneCyep, maple syrup, nice
11:57.47AnneCI love steak tartare, morsing
11:57.55morsingAnneC: AHHHH... ME TOO! :D
11:58.08z00daxall this talk of food is making me hungry!
11:58.17morsingDifficult to get in this country though
11:58.21z00daxthink i might have a pizza for lunch today
11:58.32z00daxan open source pizza!
12:01.02morsingWith bacon?
12:02.15morsingAm I the only one who's annoyed that a "Network server" in Gnome is a Windows server rather than an sftp server?
12:03.35z00daxi do no doze dude
12:04.07morsingz00dax: Exactly, so why do it that way?
12:04.19z00daxdont know, fire the sysadmin!
12:04.22z00daxdemand a refund
12:04.41morsingz00dax: Sysadmin? Have you lost it? This is the Gnome developers fault!
12:05.14morsingThey're idiots! They assume that anyone with a Linux PC has loads of windows system they want to connect to
12:05.19morsingWhich I don't
12:05.25morsingNot a single one
12:06.15z00daxah i see what you mean, that Network Server
12:06.23z00daxthe one that lists cifs / smb services on the network
12:06.29morsingYes
12:06.41morsingWell, connects to them
12:06.56morsingBut there isn't one connecting to scp servers
12:06.58z00daxI have not quite worked out what the point of that is
12:07.32z00daxperhaps a nmap client, that does a subnet scan for services might be a better option there, just list all network services that way
12:07.45z00daxincluding nfs, ftp, ssh, http ( web_day ? ) etc
12:08.26morsingWell, I don't want to scan anything, just get a file browser up for an IP address via SCP
12:10.17andrew___Can you mount the server using sshfs
12:11.04morsingandrew___: The problem isn't that I can't do it but that when I click on a menu in a file browser saying "Connect to server" I expect SCP and definately not SMB
12:11.16morsingIt annoys me!
12:16.07morsingLinux sucks
12:29.55pawel:>
12:30.13pawelhi
12:30.27z00daxhola
12:31.02pawelgregj: alive?
12:33.55morsingmktexpk: don't know how to create bitmap font for ecrm1200.
12:34.05morsingWhat does that mean?
12:34.46morsing61: (186) Font number 15 not found
12:34.50morsingHelp...
12:41.25gregjpawel: sort of
12:41.38gregjpawel: I woke up an hour ago :)
12:42.31gregjpawel: kurde, do fryzjera musze isc...
12:47.29morsinggregj: cmok-cmok
13:11.58morsingBeer
13:14.15gregjyou smell beer everywhere
13:14.38morsing:)
13:21.55morsingDoughnut
13:34.42gregjhttp://img.4chan.org/b/src/1188653135670.jpg
13:38.45AnneCbeer jam donut
13:38.56morsingSounds nice
13:40.36gregj:)
13:40.38gregjsounds mice
13:42.50gw280I'm meeting agk today it seems
13:43.00gregjwho's agk
13:43.06gw280alasdair kergon
13:43.26morsinggregj: ??!
13:43.51gregjhttp://www.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/speakers/alasdair+kergon
13:44.06morsinggregj: I think most people knows who he is...!
13:44.46gregj;]
13:44.48gregjI didin't
13:45.04gregjbut looking at the picture, I guess I've seen him/met him at some linux expo
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13:45.10gregjola
13:45.38formialo!
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13:48.15formihi leeds
13:48.25formishouldn't you be at a wedding?
13:50.00gregjhe is a geek, no internet, no life
13:55.24AnneChola formi
13:55.33formihello
13:56.57LeedsI am in Spain on my summer holiday... the actual wedding is tomorrow night
13:58.11AnneCand on irc :-D
13:58.37Leedsright
13:59.44pawelLeeds: :>
13:59.49pawelLeeds: hi!
14:00.05formi<PROTECTED>
14:00.34formithat wasn't supposed to be pasted
14:05.10Leedshey pawel
14:06.25pawelLeeds: u ok?
14:09.17Leedsyup
14:12.17morsingWhat's a good webcam for linux?
14:14.52z00daxwhy is linuxconf.eu so fscking expensive to attend
14:16.05gregjbloody spanish owners have party today in house, they are so bloody loud
14:16.27gregjno consideration for others whatsoever
14:16.55z00daxgregj: get out and about, its the middle of a fairly nice day
14:27.23haliare there any "hardware swap meets" around london these days? ... i have so much crap
14:27.29gregjpawel: pik
14:28.02gregjpawel: zbieram sie ogolic, jade na miasto po dentke, wsiadam w pociag, i mozemy gdzies isc na piwo/chinczyka/wlosczyzne/ czy cos, co ty na to ?
14:32.03pawelgregj: daj znac jak skonczysz z dentka, czekam na panne puki co
14:41.12gregjpawel: wiesz, pociag mi zejdzie z godzine , wiec spoko, czsu w pizdu
14:46.53morsingWhat's a good webcam for linux?
14:47.01morsingpawel: cmok-cmok
14:47.17pawelmorsing: ;*
14:47.19pawel;>
14:47.24morsingCan I heat an apple pie in the oven andfor how long?
14:47.25pawelmorsing: quickcam
14:47.30morsingHP?
14:47.36pawellogitech
14:48.07morsingAnd it just works? What's the picture quality like?
14:48.47paweldon't spend too much on it, you should be able to buy a good quickcam for just about £35
14:48.51pawelit's great
14:49.09morsingCool
14:49.17morsingResolution? Frequency?
14:49.22pawel640x480 24bit around 25fps
14:49.37morsingIs that like TV quality?
14:50.25pawelSVHS
14:50.26pawel:>
14:50.59morsingCan I heat an apple pie in the oven andfor how long?
14:51.45z00daxmorsing: yes, gas mark 5 for 8 minutes
14:52.00z00daxadjust for timeofday, sizeof pie and resulting effect desired
14:53.04morsingz00dax: That's what? 240?
14:53.23morsingIt's a 6 incher
14:53.35morsingI want it warm, not hot
14:53.44z00daxdunno then
14:53.51z00daxremember, i dont and cant cook to save my life
14:54.38morsingz00dax: Well, thanks for your advise!
14:54.50z00daxhave you considered taking it up with the suppliers of said apple pie for not providing enough prep instructions ?
14:55.31z00daxi have 32387 unread emails in a mailing list
14:55.38z00daxperhaps i should unsubscribe from there
15:00.45morsingz00dax: Said apple pie is home made by the Bacon shop in Aylesbury. I s'pose I should have asked :)
15:02.07boudiccasring them up and ask them
15:02.51morsingboudiccas: Can I not ring you and ask?
15:03.22boudiccasyes you could, but i don't know either, and i would just suggest ringing the supplier and asking them
15:03.42morsingboudiccas: Ok, I'll phone you then and you can tell me that. Hang on---
15:04.09boudiccasjust be honest and say that you forgot to ask when you bought it and that you can't see any instructyions on its labelling
15:04.23morsingboudiccas: What's their phone number?
15:04.27boudiccas*instructions
15:04.53morsingTBH: Discussing all this just makes it worse. It's been in the oven for 10 minutes now at 180 and I don't know what to do
15:05.00boudiccasisn't it on th pies label?
15:05.03morsingNo
15:05.04boudiccas*thge
15:05.08boudiccas*the
15:05.10morsingIT doesn't have a label
15:05.46boudiccashuh! fancy selling pies without a label! whatever next?
15:06.37boudiccasi'd be inclined to give it 12-15 minutes and then try a slice
15:06.52boudiccasat that temperature that you've quoted
15:07.18boudiccasfailing that, eat it cold
15:07.41pawelmorsing: take it out!
15:07.53morsingpawel: 'k
15:07.56pawelmorsing: it's probably burned right now
15:08.12boudiccasyou know you're living in the 21st century when you ask for cooking instructions on irc :))))
15:08.27morsingpawel: In fact it's nice and warm but a bit cold on the inside. Back in the oven
15:08.31morsing:)
15:08.31pawelirc is a thing from the past
15:09.14pawelit's a tool from the 90s
15:09.23pawelmorsing: stick it on the facebook
15:09.24pawel:>
15:09.27morsingMmmm... It's lovely though
15:09.36morsingpawel: Stick what?
15:09.36pawelf00d
15:09.43pawelyour pie
15:09.44pawel:>
15:09.46morsingMmm...
15:10.19morsingpawel: *Any* Quickcam?
15:11.10morsingpawel: *Any* Quickcam?
15:14.22pawelmorsing: http://tinyurl.com/2knxp8
15:14.32pawelthat's £15 only
15:15.17pawelworks great for me, but 320x240 only
15:15.24pawelwhat are you going to use it for?
15:15.57morsingpawel: Driving
15:16.16morsingpawel: Can you find out where I can get an HP ScanJet 5300C as well please?
15:17.13pawel:P
15:17.40morsingMmm... Pie
15:17.50morsingAnd cawfy...
15:19.26morsingBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER
15:25.24gw280hrmmmmmmmmmmmm
15:25.26gw280HRMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
15:26.57morsinggw280: YOU SUCK!
15:27.13morsingpawel: Can you find out where I can get an HP ScanJet 5300C as well please?
15:28.31morsingWhen do shops close today?
15:28.38z00daxmorsing: at closing time
15:28.39morsingLike PC World?
15:28.44morsingz00dax: FUCK OFF
15:29.07z00daxerr ?
15:29.18z00daxi thought shops closed at closing time, no ?
15:31.21halimorsing must have some special deal
15:31.32halithey never let me in after closing time
15:40.22boudiccasmorsing; circa 1700
15:41.50morsingboudiccas: Website says 1800
15:47.29boudiccasmorsing; well theres your answer then :)
15:50.03pawelmorsing: ebay.co.uk
15:50.05pawel:>
15:52.33morsingibot convert 180 C to F
15:52.44morsingYes it can - useless bot
15:52.50morsingibot you suck
15:52.50ibotand very well I might add
15:54.18morsinghttp://www.elegantfarmer.com/pie_inst.html
15:54.21pawelkill ibot
15:54.33pawelibot: shut up
15:54.34ibotas you wish, master pawel
15:54.42pawelibot: fuck off
15:55.00pawelibot: speak up
15:55.06morsinghttp://www.elegantfarmer.com/pie_inst.html
15:56.23morsinghttp://www.elegantfarmer.com/pie_inst.html
15:57.10pawelhttp://www.elegantfarmer.com/pie_inst.html
15:57.33pawelmorsing: are you an elegant farmer? :>
15:59.47morsingpawel: Read it
16:03.04morsinghttp://www.elegantfarmer.com/pie_inst.html
16:07.23morsinghttp://www.elegantfarmer.com/pie_inst.html
16:10.44boudiccasmorsing; check it
16:10.51morsingboudiccas: :)
16:11.34boudiccasseen on a tin of sardines...... contains fish! .......no! never! I wouldn't have believed it!
16:16.27morsingboudiccas: What's for supper/
16:16.28morsing?
16:19.14boudiccasmorsing; do you mean tea [about now] or for supper [at about 2200ish]???
16:43.45morsingboudiccas: You're so complicated
16:43.49morsingTea then
16:47.23morsingpawel: What tools do I need to use it then?
16:48.41morsingAnd what's /dev/video0?
16:49.13morsingibot wake pawel
16:49.13ibotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on pawel and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
16:52.46morsingWhat device do I need to connect to?
16:53.11boudiccasmorsing; i'm a northener, i'm allowed to be complicated :)
16:53.19boudiccastea is a sardine salad
16:53.33morsingnice
16:53.45morsingWhat device do I need to connect to?
16:53.56boudiccasa beer engine
16:55.26morsingFFS! The QuickCam i bought is listed as unsupported! I hate Linux!
16:59.21morsingping wethrin
17:04.12halimorsing: you could try to return it
17:04.47halimorsing: just to annoy them a bit and get them to think about linux for a minute or two
17:23.13morsingawk: cannot open /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/build/include/linux/version.h (No such file or directory)
17:23.18morsingWhat's this?
17:24.59morsingHello?
17:25.41antiphaseLack of kernel headers by the look of it
17:59.12morsingCheese
18:03.04halithat is indeed interesting.. i would have thought most aix admins where busy migrating to solaris ;)
18:05.25morsingSolaris is the worst... Not even the Solaris admins at works likes it
18:06.05halii like it, i am really looking forward to running it on one of our z/890's
18:39.14morsingOh why...???????????????????????????????
19:02.14boudiccaswe don't want to be a yesterdays hero
19:10.23morsingBeer
19:19.29morsingboudiccas: What's for supper?
19:29.49andrew___morsing: what specifically dont you like about solaris
19:30.46halii find solaris to be yet-another-os except for two things... dtrace and containers
19:31.18haliwe consolidate 3-4 old v480's in to every x4600 we buy... the saving is massive
19:32.49halihm, and yes.. zfs!
19:32.53antiphaseYou don't care that it's totally stable and they don't change shit underneath you like every Linux distro does every 6 months?
19:33.17halii know that is annoying.. means i don't get any overtime
19:33.48antiphaseI'd love to use Solaris instead of shitty Linux for servers
19:35.21morsingandrew___: It's lacking in features but the biggest problem is that it is far, far too complicated to use
19:35.54morsingI mean, ask even an experinced admin has much swap space is used and their just go "errmm..."
19:36.14halilacking in features?!
19:36.21morsingOr ask them how much space is available in a disk group... Forget about it!
19:36.58morsingI feel so blessed that I have only had to touch this piece of crap occasionally
19:36.59haliswap -l is quite nice
19:37.15antiphaseThey can't be particularly experienced if they can't answer basic questions, to be fair
19:37.24morsinghali: Doesn't tell you anything useful like how many percent disk swap is used
19:37.47morsingantiphase: I've known 15-20 Solaris admins with loads of experience
19:37.52haliit prints blocks and free, do the maths
19:38.01morsingThe guy I asked about swap is *very* experienced
19:38.05morsinghali: Nope
19:38.09morsinghali: Try again
19:38.18antiphaseWe also established that they were too shit to have installed the package containing vmstat
19:38.19morsingAnd I'm leaving this discussion...
19:38.28halimorsing: i beg your pardon?
19:40.17morsingOk, don't care, AIX equivalents (WITH MATH OR EXPONENTIAL EQUATIONS ANd WHATNOT) are 'lsps -s' and 'lsvg <VGNAME>' and they'll give you a straight answer without all the nonsense and hard work!
19:40.33morsings/WITH/WITHOUT/
19:41.13antiphaseI understand Notepad is useful for editing files, fucking Linux doesn't have it though ;)
19:41.48haliindeed
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20:31.28andrew___Does anyone here know about phones for use with VOIP
20:32.03z00daxandrew___: a bit
20:32.23andrew___I want to make phone calls to VOIP number (or PSTN) but not be tied to a computer
20:34.03z00daxmy nokia e61 has a built in voip client, that uses WiFi - so as long as I am home, it all just works - or from work it works fine too
20:34.14z00daxand it has a 0207 number
20:34.49z00daxandrew___: or you can get something like this  http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/103232
20:34.53andrew___Thats a good idea.  Does it swithc automagically to WiFi if it can find it
20:35.07z00daxit can switch automatically, but i turn that feature off
20:35.27z00daxin that i dont mind the phone not being connected when i am not in a wifi area, since gprs / 3g data is still quite expensive
20:35.47z00daxand i have the number setup to goto a voicemail line if i am not 'available'
20:36.14andrew___Do you choose whether you make a mobile or a wifi VOIP call
20:36.40z00daxyup, it gives you the option when you are connected over voip, otherwise its all gsm
20:40.56andrew___presumably it can receive calls on either
20:53.33z00daxyes
20:53.37z00daxbut the numbers are different
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20:59.03andrew___That sounds like a way worth investigation. Thanks z00dax for the suggestion
21:00.35z00daxandrew___: sure
22:01.03clive-hGood evening
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