IRC log for #gllug on 20070913

01:12.19clive-hoooh QNX has gone open sauce ish
01:13.09LeedsHKish
01:13.28clive-hyeah tis very ish
01:16.12clive-hThere's a free non-commercial download again
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07:41.36morsingLeeds!
07:41.45morsingCope!
07:48.34morsingSteve?
08:10.12Copelo
08:10.16Copeoff to wprk npow
08:10.34morsingNice
08:10.54gregjapple released new logic pro! weee, after 4 years, finally
08:18.39morsing'mornign gregj
08:37.34gregjmorning morsing
08:37.36gregjhow you doin
08:48.51jcookemanmorning hoodlums
08:50.43morsinggregj: Great!
08:50.51morsinggregj: How's work?
09:02.51gregjlate gain
09:02.53gregjagain
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09:03.03gregjI have yet to go oto work today
09:03.19gregjbut overall, good, lets hope they like me as well
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09:05.33morsingmikejw!
09:05.56morsingLeeds!
09:06.10mikejwhey buddy :)
09:06.28morsingHow's work?
09:06.39mikejwgood thanks :]
09:07.11mikejweagerly anticipating my new development machine :)
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09:08.11mikejwhey goibhniu
09:08.42morsinggoibhniu!
09:08.53morsinggoibhniu: How are you today?
09:42.16morsingBeer
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09:49.20goibhniumorsing! mikejw! ... hung over, thanks, you?
09:49.45mikejwjust sleepy :]
09:50.03mikejwgoibhniu: good night?
09:50.41goibhniuyeah ... saw some crap abstract art house movies and had some free wine :D
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09:54.55mikejwaces
09:54.58morsingXPSlammer!
09:55.16morsingXPSlammer: I'm getting more and more spam now. Tell me how to identify spam?
09:55.24morsinggoibhniu: Why?
09:55.36XPSlammermorsing: do you mean spam? or do you mean UCE?
10:00.49morsingI DON'T KNOW!
10:00.53morsingXPSlammer: I'm getting more and more spam now. Tell me how to identify spam?
10:02.03antiphaseHand over your cash and point your MX records to a spam removal service
10:02.07XPSlammermorsing: I don't understand the question.  if you don't know how to identify spam, how do you know that you're getting more and more?
10:02.29morsingOk, it's spam then
10:02.35jcookemanmorsing: use gmail :D
10:02.39morsingIt's now increased to about 20/day
10:02.46morsingjcookeman: No thanks!
10:02.57jcookemanit works
10:03.19XPSlammermorsing: so, give me an example of one of the messages.  who is it from?  what is it selling you?
10:03.47morsingI'll have to wait till another one comes by...
10:03.55XPSlammermorsing: you kind of have to imagine that I'm in a room many many miles away from you, and that I can't see what's on your screen.
10:04.10morsingBut you're right here?
10:06.56morsingSlayerXP!
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10:15.52morsingmumper!
10:17.52mumpermorsing! :)
10:18.46morsingmumper: How's the old life treating you?
10:18.58mumpermy ISP (Demon) is having troubles with my e-mail. Again. :(
10:19.52mumperOtherwise - life's good :)
10:23.31mumperMust attend to serious matters - to have a pony - see ya!:)
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10:27.54morsingphearless!
10:28.05phearlesshi ! !
10:28.29phearlessmy boss is gonna kill me
10:28.53phearlesshe receive the same email every 5-15 minutes
10:28.59phearlessfrom a @wanadoo.fr address
10:29.07phearlessweird stuff ...
10:36.04SlayerXPphearless: so tell your mail server not to accept mail from that address.
10:36.20phearlessyes I will have to do this
10:36.48phearlessI checked if it was postfix or spamassassin that was doing something strange, but it seems that's really this wanadoo that send the email
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10:59.34Armandmorning. :)
11:02.06morsingtripitaka!
11:02.08morsingArmand!
11:02.28Armand:)
11:05.12Armandnote to self: Netgear's datasheets are crap.
11:17.32jcookemannetgear is crap
11:17.36jcookemanforget datasheets
11:17.51Armandseems so..
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11:31.55Copegw280: ping
11:32.30Armandhttp://wiki.openwrt.org/VLYNQ
11:32.36ArmandWell, thats the adapter.
11:33.06Armandlol
11:33.11Armandwrong link. :D
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11:40.37morsingdick_turpin!
11:41.12dick_turpinmorsing: How are we today?
11:41.22morsingGreat - stupid users!
11:41.36morsingAnd someone was in my parking space when I got here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:41.50morsingeyore!
11:41.54morsingCope: How'sit?
11:42.02Copefine, thanks
11:42.21morsingAnd William?
11:42.28morsingWhat did he have for breakfast?
11:51.25CopeHe's ok.
11:51.28CopeHe had porridge.
12:01.02jcookemanthis place is boring! I should go hang out in #over30andlovingit
12:01.15Armandlol
12:01.18Armandold fart. :P
12:04.25gregjhttp://gizmodo.com/gadgets/halo-3/perfect-spartan-master-chief-suit-for-sale-on-ebay-299402.php
12:05.23gregjhttp://gizmodo.com/gadgets/hose-up/firefighters-lift-a-car-using-their-hoses-299405.php
12:06.11dick_turpingregj: Our local Blockbusters is opening at midnight on the 27th so fanatics like me can go and buy H3
12:06.35Armandxbox version?
12:06.56dick_turpinibot slap jcookeman
12:06.57ibotACTION slaps jcookeman, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
12:08.17jcookemanIt's good to be loved.
12:08.21dick_turpinArmand: 360
12:15.59ArmandGAG!
12:16.10ArmandShooters on a console!! PFF!
12:16.22Armandshould be banned..
12:16.24Armand^_^
12:35.10dick_turpinhttp://www.sophos.com/security/best-practice/facebook.html?lang=en
12:39.16jcookemandick_turpin: I read that yesterday
12:40.09jcookemanI am really curious about their line that sais something like, "we believe IT administrators should be given the power to decide what website access is appropriate for their company.
12:40.19jcookemansounds very wrong to me
12:42.53z00daxnot always
12:43.10z00daxIT admin needs to have a say in matters, perhaps not be the deciding force
12:43.31dick_turpinjcookeman: Depends what side of the fence you sit on, Management or Worker
12:43.36z00daxspecially since they are the guys who are going to get asked (told ?) to enforce policy
12:43.55jcookemanIT should never set policy on things like that. Never!
12:45.07morsing~seen annec
12:45.10ibotannec <n=AnneC@cmarfw01.marlow.spinvox.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 22h 4m 46s ago, saying: 'that's a bit... hmmm...'.
12:45.51jcookemanibot class!
12:45.52ibotmethinks class is over
12:46.00tripitakaIT should be able to say 'no access to warez and known virus distributing sites'
12:47.06tripitakahardly a management/HR issue
12:47.11dick_turpinThats the point its a "Covering our arses" policy if its blocked it cant infect
12:48.00jcookemantripitaka: IT does not set policy on what is accessible. yes, they normally are delegated things like malware, etc. But, IT should never has any power to say Facebook is off limits.
12:48.38tripitakajcookeman: However, they must be able to say that cracks.am is off limits
12:48.58dick_turpinSOPHOS (We/I am a reseller for them) are going down the path of denying every thing to standard workers
12:49.00jcookemannot really
12:49.08jcookemanonly if policy dictates
12:50.18dick_turpinIf you're Management then you take the view that office equipment is for company benefit not the workers, e.g. "You don't come here to play but to work"
12:50.20tripitakait's an IT driven policy element. HR might not care about cracks.am, but I happen to know that if someone downloads from there, they will be delivering a virus into my perimeter
12:50.59tripitakait could be for a perceived valid business reason, 'I don't have the serial to hand but I need the app working now'
12:51.43tripitakain an ideal world policy and enforcement would be entirely separate, but there's usually some overlap
12:55.56morsingBeer
12:56.19ArmandBEER!
12:56.19tripitakaanyone know how to force clobbering in wget?
12:56.38morsingRun four at the same time?
12:56.40tripitakaah, nvm
12:57.05morsingWhy would you want to do that?
12:57.13jcookemandoesnt wget clobber automatically?
12:57.23tripitakamy fault for running a script which consisted of more than two lines
12:57.29morsingjcookeman: They should re-write it then
12:57.55jcookemanbecause there is an explicit no-clobber option in wget
12:58.02jcookemanso that would imply it clobbers by default
12:58.41tripitakait clobbers with -r. I was calling wget, then zip, and zip was nonclobbering.
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12:59.03tripitaka*great word
12:59.37polyunixhi all
13:02.11morsingpolyunix!
13:02.58morsinghttp://www.allwords.com/word-clobbering.html
13:03.16morsingtripitaka: So you want wget to critise you?
13:03.21morsingI can do that for you?
13:05.15tripitakaI'd prefer to than meanings 1 and 2, cheers
13:05.40morsingI can probably beat you up as well, although I've never met you
13:05.50tripitakathe odds are good
13:05.58morsingIn your favour?
13:07.00tripitakawell, I'm 4'1",  72 and 300lbs, it's your call
13:07.01gw280Cope: pong
13:08.25morsingHuh?
13:08.35tripitaka:)
13:09.20morsingYou american?
13:09.42Armandbrb
13:10.15jcookemanFuck yeah I'm American. Who's asking?
13:10.42morsingWhat's that in proper units then?
13:10.53morsingjcookeman: Translate please
13:11.13jcookemanibot 300/2.2
13:11.14ibot136.363636363636
13:11.25morsingjcookeman: Still not proper units
13:11.33jcookemanibot 136/14
13:11.34ibot9.714285714286
13:11.34tripitakaOn the drop down boxes in registration forms I used to always put Afghanistan, as it was near the top. Then after 9/11 2001, I started getting random hate mail from Americans. Odd.
13:11.41jcookemanoop
13:11.49jcookemanibot 300/14
13:11.50ibot21.428571428571
13:11.54jcookemandamn!!
13:11.55morsingibot convert 300 lbs to stone
13:12.05morsingNice one ibot
13:13.26jcookemanI need to read the ibot manual
13:13.59morsingtripitaka: You BMI is 81
13:14.25Leedsibot manual
13:14.26iboti heard manual is at http://www.ibot.org/guide-0.43.x.html, or there is no manual, ibot.org is gone, read the source.
13:14.52tripitakamorsing: I'll get on to my GP, thanks
13:14.56morsingibot when's your next release?
13:15.07tripitakaibot.org doesn't look useful
13:15.30morsingibot be useful
13:15.30ibotno problem, morsing ... will that be oral usefulness or anal usefulness?
13:15.45jcookemanibot you naughty bot
13:16.27tripitakaibot what is the meaning of life?
13:16.27ibotACTION is the meaning of life to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion
13:16.33Leedsibot 42
13:16.33iboti heard 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything
13:18.33tripitakacandidate for the most irritating man page: `man 1 zip`
13:19.04tripitakaeg.        "-I     [Acorn RISC OS] Donât scan through Image files"
13:19.15morsing?
13:20.01morsingtripitaka: Explain?
13:21.05tripitakazip's man page is full of only the most useless flags. I'm trying to find out how to get it to overwrite existing extracted files, instead I find out how to include hidden files on an Atari.
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13:23.48morsingtripitaka: It's only useless flags to you because you're a narrow-minded Linux users as so many others on the channel
13:24.07morsings/users/user/
13:25.12tripitakaI want ibot in my instant messenger client
13:26.06morsingHe is already
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13:26.36Leedshe's everywhere you want to be
13:26.41morsingpolyunix!
13:28.18sabinef72hi men !!!!!!!!!
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13:28.40morsingArmand!
13:28.48morsingsabinef72!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:28.52sabinef72yes !
13:28.55Armand:)
13:29.03sabinef72how are you ?
13:29.08morsingsabinef72: Where have you been?
13:29.08Leedssabinef72! how are you?
13:29.12morsingI'm great :)
13:29.37sabinef72well today I'm almost ok
13:30.05morsingCheese?
13:30.05sabinef72Leeds !!!!!!!
13:30.09Armand"almost" ?
13:30.13Armandwhats up?
13:30.26sabinef72just the baby fighting to much my belly
13:30.32ArmandAhhh.. !
13:30.39sabinef72it's almost the end so I have difficult time
13:30.42sabinef72but it's normal
13:30.44Leedsbut otherwise all is well?
13:30.51sabinef72yes all is ok
13:30.53Armandyeah, I seen enough of all that. ¬_¬
13:30.55morsingsabinef72: Are you happy?
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13:31.02morsingpolyunix!
13:31.03sabinef72just the baby is preparing me to come soon
13:31.09Leedswhen is it due?
13:31.17sabinef72normaly october 14 th
13:31.24Armandanytime soon, by the sounds of it. ^_^
13:31.27sabinef72but I don't think the baby will wait one month
13:31.38morsingsabinef72: Have you asked it?
13:32.00sabinef72benoit said it : don't fight to much your mother
13:32.07sabinef72but seems the baby doesn't want to hear
13:32.17morsing:)
13:32.38Leedsyou need to start the discpline early these days
13:32.45sabinef72nothing stop it to move, move and move again !
13:32.57morsingsabinef72: Tell it to go away!
13:33.11sabinef72I'll try
13:33.45Leedssabinef72: does beer help?
13:33.51Leedssorry
13:33.55sabinef72lol
13:33.57Leedsyou're French!  wine...
13:34.01sabinef72perhaps the daddy
13:34.23morsingsabinef72: Try a strong, smelly cheese and it wouldn't want to come out
13:34.37sabinef72:-)
13:38.06z00daxwethrin: ping
13:38.07Leedsuh... this may be a silly question, but is there no SFD event in London this year?
13:38.18z00daxLeeds: not that i am aware of
13:38.26z00daxLeeds: feel free to step forward and organise it!
13:38.27sabinef72hi z00dax !
13:38.32z00daxsabinef72: hola amiga
13:38.38z00daxno wait, you are french
13:38.43Leedsz00dax: not so convenient... but there is one in HK
13:38.45sabinef72hola amigo ! Como estas ?
13:39.21Leedsnot sure if I can make it
13:39.31Leedssabinef72: I was in Spain 2 weeks ago for my cousin's wedding :-)
13:39.46sabinef72nice
13:40.09morsingz00dax: wethrin's on an island
13:40.16z00daxmorsing: righo
13:40.28Leedsmorsing: no man is an island
13:43.37z00daxor maybe Party/Night of Mayhem
13:45.37goibhniureligious ceremony?
13:47.16Armandyeah, worship of booze. :D
13:52.30boudiccasramdan starts today
13:52.43boudiccas*ramadan
13:53.39Armandshit happens. :P
13:54.15goibhniuhappy ramadan boudiccas!
13:54.35z00daxawesome food season!
13:54.50z00daxnot being muslim also means that I dont need to starve all day to get at it :)
13:55.39z00daxi think thats the best thing about being Sikh, there are no real rules in religious terms, but you get all the benefits from everywhere and there is still that whole spiritual angle for those who really need something / someone to blame
13:56.45Armandbest thing about not being religious, is erm... not being religious. :)
13:57.07boudiccasgoibhniu; what makes you think that i'm muslim?
13:57.34boudiccas:)
13:57.37dick_turpinboudiccas: Cant be she likes her sausage too much
13:57.44boudiccasthats true
13:57.55boudiccassossidges are the food of the gods
13:58.23Armandhardly...
13:58.29sabinef72please don't speak about food.... I'm always hungry !
13:58.30ArmandHaggis, FTW!
13:58.31Armand:)
13:58.42boudiccasi like haggis, thats good too
13:59.00boudiccasi also like liver, dislike kidneys but never tried tripe
13:59.01Armandyou know it.
13:59.07Armand1 sec..
13:59.13boudiccastimes up
13:59.24goibhniuboudiccas: I didn't ... just wishing you the very best this festive season!
13:59.35boudiccasgoibhniu; :)
13:59.39Leedsit's also rosh hashanah
14:00.06boudiccasLeeds; enlighten me, what is 'rosh hashanah' please?
14:00.19goibhniuand software freedom day is nigh!
14:00.19LeedsJewish New Year
14:00.25Armandfound it. :)
14:00.33ArmandDolmathes. :D
14:00.36boudiccasah, right :)
14:00.40ArmandYummers!
14:01.00boudiccasdolmathes? what is that Armand ?
14:01.37boudiccasbbiam
14:01.41Armandit's minced meat (either beef of lamb) with rice & herbs.
14:01.43goibhniuz00dax: but aren't you limited romantically?
14:01.49Armandwrapped in vine leaves.
14:03.08Armandit's well nice, and relatively easy to make. :)
14:03.14Armandtakes AGES though.
14:03.27z00daxgoibhniu: not at all
14:04.16goibhniuthe 2 sikh's I know are always complaining about how difficult it is
14:05.00goibhniuone expects his parents to find a partner for him
14:05.03Leedsgoibhniu: maybe it's just them ;-)
14:05.51goibhniumaybe it's just z00dax is a lady killer
14:06.15z00daxgoibhniu: if only i was
14:06.26Leedsspeaking of which, an intensely geeky thought just crossed my mind...
14:06.39z00daxbut parents looking for matches, is ore of a cultural thing rather than religious
14:07.01z00daxLeeds: do share
14:08.06Leedsasking someone out for dinner by creating a facebook event, making it private, and putting just her and me on the invite list :-)
14:08.17antiphaseIs your phone not working?
14:11.50morsingHuh?
14:15.46Leedsz00dax: geeky enough for you?
14:16.06z00daxLeeds: absolutely
14:16.35Leedsever tried it? ;-)
14:16.39goibhniuLeeds: if some hot female tried that with me ... I'd ignore her
14:16.42z00daxnot yet, ubt i will today
14:17.04clive-hgood afternoon
14:17.28dick_turpinclive-h:
14:17.34Leedsgoibhniu: a) I certainly wouldn't... and b) I am talking about people I know - not random strangers
14:17.40Armandclive-h. :)
14:18.00Armanddid my format on your Vista machine finish?? :D
14:18.17clive-hlol
14:19.18clive-hI shall install qnx when I can actually download it
14:20.18Armandahhh.. I'm supposed to be DLing Fedora 8. O_O
14:21.26dick_turpinz00dax: Thanks for the invite, thats the day after my birthday when I will be 18, I doubt I'll be able to go but it was nice to be asked. Thanks
14:21.27clive-hI'll wait for the full release before I touch F8
14:21.50ArmandI got a torrent for the mini-cd version going.
14:22.01Armandmy laptop is my main test bunneh. :)
14:22.06Leedsrhowe_: ?
14:23.56morsingdick_turpin: You do realise you're 56?
14:25.13dick_turpinmorsing: Your 10 years out winkle
14:26.40Armandcan anyone get http://vspx27.stanford.edu ??
14:26.47z00daxdick_turpin: one drink on me if you turn up
14:26.49boudiccasdick_turpin; you're not, gasps in horror, 66 are you???!!!
14:27.36boudiccasArmand; nope
14:27.42dick_turpinboudiccas: You are a very naughty girl and need to be..... Oh crap I'm still married
14:27.45Armandcrapola
14:28.29boudiccasdick_turpin; i have the feeling of deja vue come over me when you say that
14:28.33Armandbrb
14:28.47dick_turpinz00dax: Actually, thinking about it, 1.30pm, hm, train, Saturday, might be do-able I'll think about it
14:28.47Leedsboudiccas: you get strange men saying that sort of thing to you often?
14:29.01boudiccassome are stranger than others Leeds
14:29.22dick_turpinboudiccas: and some just get ignored
14:29.28boudiccaslol
14:29.29Leedswe try...
14:29.35jcookemanhey crowd
14:29.43boudiccasyes, you do, very trying
14:29.43morsingjcookeman!
14:29.58boudiccaslol
14:30.09jcookemanmorsing!
14:31.04jcookemanwho's up for a drink in west end?
14:31.14morsingMe me me
14:31.17z00daxdick_turpin: we usually head to the pub after
14:31.28morsingIt's floo's birthday
14:32.08jcookemanwhere we going?
14:32.50dick_turpinz00dax: How long does it usually go on for?
14:33.14z00daxsome people have been known to hang around for a few hours after, so maybe 6 - 7pm
14:33.40z00daxalso,  people like wethrin might be thre long enough to go in for a curry after
14:33.49z00daxI would need to leave by 6:30 - 7:00pm
14:33.59z00daxjcookeman: gllug meeting
14:34.57dick_turpinz00dax: Its a bit of a trek from the Midlands but seeing as its a Saturday and in the day time I could get off my lazy butt
14:35.12jcookemanWhat about the gllug meeting?
14:37.30z00daxjcookeman: thats where we are going
14:38.31jcookemantoday?
14:39.31dick_turpinboudiccas: You gonna be there?
14:41.51clive-hI shall go
14:42.41jcookemanboudiccas: you gonna be there?
14:43.07dick_turpinclive-h: Ah well in that case I best dust off me bus pass
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14:47.39clive-hlol
14:49.52morsingpawel!
14:50.09morsingboudiccas: You gonna be there?
14:50.09jcookemanis there a meeting today?
14:52.22Copegw280: know much about katapult? or someone who does?
14:52.56morsingCope: What size?
14:53.42gw280Cope: what about it?
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15:30.28goibhniuCope: it's nice ... but I prefer gnome-launch-box ... even on kde
15:35.22boudiccasmorsing; where?
15:44.57Copegw280: how to index it
15:45.08CopeI can't seem to work out how it decides what it can see/launch
15:45.28Copeeg if I install "new program" sometimes it can see it, sometimes it can't
15:45.34gw280Cope: no idea
15:45.58ArmandYAY! my torrent is DLing at 42KB/s.. ¬_¬
15:46.36Leedshmm... I think I'm going to have to go to two parties on Saturday night, say no to the one I haven't technically been invited to (and which might be on Sunday anyway) and skip the rugby
15:46.45gw280Cope: read the source?
15:51.12goibhniuCope: does it just look for apps in the menu?
15:51.28goibhniui.e. kicker menu
16:04.45Leedsand assuming an at least vaguely positive answer, if I can pull off "thanks - I guess I might ask you sometime then..."
16:04.52[Clive]Wouldn't it be better to say : would like to go out for dinner?
16:05.04[Clive]s/would/would you/
16:05.29LeedsArmand: just for the record, do you know where I live?
16:05.35Armandnope..
16:05.44Leeds[Clive]: possibly - but that would be far too straight and honest :-)
16:05.51LeedsArmand: well... China.
16:05.56Armandkewl.
16:06.08[Clive]do you not think she'd prefer straight and honest?
16:06.10Leedsthey don't have Chinese food here - it's just called 'food'
16:06.15ArmandI'll have the shrimp-fried rice & a prawn curry then. :D
16:06.39Leedsactually, to be more precise, they don't have Chinese food in the same way that nobody goes for 'European food' in the UK
16:06.50Armandlol
16:06.55[Clive]I shall have crispy duck and kung po king prawns later
16:06.58Armandalthough, not quite right. :)
16:07.12boudiccasLeeds has volunteered to take us out for a meal, providing we make our own way to his local resaurant or restaurant of his choice :)))))
16:07.16[Clive]England doesn't really have a cuisine anyway
16:07.24Armandas we do have frence, italian, greek, etc restaraunts. :)
16:07.35jcookemanclive: english breakfast
16:07.38boudiccasArmand; frence?
16:07.38ArmandAnd, we do, so don't lie.
16:07.45Armandyeah.
16:07.50[Clive]full english?
16:07.50Armandloads of 'em.
16:08.19ArmandClive: Bacon, eggs, sausages, toast, beans, etc.. O_o
16:08.22[Clive]heart attack in a single meal
16:08.26ArmandYup. :D
16:08.30LeedsArmand: exactly my point - there are noodle places, dim sum places, sechuanese (sp?), shangainese, etc. etc. - what there isn't is 'Chinese food'
16:09.01Armandofc, but over here it just gets dumps onto 1 menu. :P
16:09.02[Clive]gah I meant to buy bacon earlier
16:09.14ArmandFKING WASP!
16:09.16ArmandDIE!
16:09.41Leedsactually, probably not - any individual Chinese place in the UK is likely to serve a particular sort of Chinese food, but may not be advertised or described as such
16:09.50Armanddamnit, escaped.. sorry about that. :P
16:10.21LeedsI hate bloody wasps - almost at a phobic level, I think
16:10.29ArmandThere are places that do sechuan, cantonese, etc.. but it's more common to find a "chinese" place.
16:10.50Leedsthey will probably lean towards a particular style, I think
16:10.56Leedsnot that I regularly went for Chinese in the UK anyway
16:11.05ArmandCan't say I recommend it. :P
16:11.06LeedsI strongly suggest chemical warfare
16:11.09Armandlol
16:11.13Armandnot in MY room. :)
16:11.35[Clive]i assume the local one does Peking style since it's called peking chef
16:11.49Armandmayhaps. :)
16:11.50Leedsboudiccas: for what it's worth - absolutely!  If you happen to be in my neighbourhood, I'll be very happy to pay the couple of quid it would cost to take you to dinner :-)
16:12.36boudiccasLeeds; :)
16:13.14Armanddamnit, why do I keep reading back and thinking "This laptop makes me type like a 'tard!" ??
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16:14.12ArmandI can't stand laptop keyboards..
16:14.20Armandthey are all wrong.
16:14.33[Clive]I use a usb keyboard and trackball on mine
16:15.02LeedsI've been using a laptop as my primary home machine for over 3 years, and my primary work machine since I started my current job in May, and I'm actually quite used to them now
16:15.05ArmandI really should setup my main PC.
16:15.29ArmandI've been using the laptop for about 2 months now.
16:15.40Armandit's the first "proper" laptop I've had.
16:15.57[Clive]This laptop is as powerful as my desktop machine
16:16.06Armanddamn you. :P
16:16.23ArmandMine is a P3M-1GHz, 256MB, 20GB, DVD..
16:16.26Leeds"I intend this breast satirically"
16:17.02[Clive]Intel pentium dual core , 1gb memory, 80 gig disk, DVD+-RW
16:17.03ArmandMain PC is a AthlonXP 2Ghz, 1GB, 160GB, DVD-RW, etc..
16:17.14Armandnoice. :)
16:17.36[Clive]The desktop is Athlon 64 x 2 , 1Gb, 120Gb disk
16:17.43ArmandMy main rig would be better, if I could get my hands on a sckt939 motherboard.
16:17.51[Clive]Both are 2 x 1.6Ghz
16:18.13Leedsthis machine is Core Duo 1.66GHz, 1GB RAM, 100GB disk, DVD-RW, 1440x900 100dpi 14inch screen
16:18.30LeedsI really like the high-res screen
16:18.33Armandok, ok.. stop making me jealous, you gits. :P
16:19.37Leedsbought it just over a year ago for under £450 with a couple of extras (big battery, spare charger) thrown in
16:19.52Armandnot bad..
16:19.57LeedsPC hardware is almost unbelievably cheap nowadays :-)
16:20.08[Clive]This cost 399
16:20.08Armandmines ok, considering I got it for nothing. :)
16:20.21Leeds[Clive]: when?
16:20.31Armandso I beat you both on price. :D
16:20.36[Clive]jan/feb
16:20.49Leedsthe one annoying thing about mine, the one thing I got wrong when I specced it, is that it doesn't have hardware virtualisation
16:20.53[Clive]These days 399 would get you Core 2 Duo
16:21.05[Clive]Yeah this doesn't do Vt-x
16:21.26[Clive]The laptop does AMD's virtualisation though
16:21.45LeedsI suppose I'll probably replace it early next year - unless I decide to go back to a desktop machine - which will obviously have VT
16:22.02[Clive]errrr s/laptop/desktopp/
16:22.09Armanddamnit with all these dual-core fripperies..
16:22.20Armandmy only SMP is a dual p2-400.. >:(
16:22.37[Clive]I have a p2-350 smp
16:22.45LeedsArmand: I had a dual P3-550 in about 2000
16:23.03Leedsfor that matter, I had a dual-486 test machine at work before that
16:23.05Armandi still use mine, as a RAID server.
16:23.49Armanddrives are noisy though.
16:24.12Armandgotta mod it too, as the drives get *a bit* warm. :P
16:24.26LeedsI'm lucky - my flatmate is happy to have a server in the corner of the living room, as long as I download the odd series of things like CSI for her :-)
16:24.33Armandhehe
16:24.50Leedsanyway, should sleep, since it's Friday already
16:25.06Armanddang, it's 5:20 already.
16:25.17[Clive]I threw most of my pre-p3 kit out
16:25.24Armandshit, I was supposed to phone the college!
16:26.12ArmandI threw out a shitload of hardware, anything pre-p2.
16:26.23Armandwell, pre-PC100 anyways.
16:26.41Armandless than FSB100 = not worth 2 shits. :P
16:27.45Leedsone of the odd things about moving over here was leaving all my old kit behind - spares, emergency PCI graphics cards, etc.
16:28.23ArmandI couldn't do that.
16:28.36z00daxis anyone in London interested in a Netra ? I have 5 spare that need a home
16:28.55z00daxis [Clive] == clive-h ?
16:28.56Leedsz00dax: and an ultra10? ;-)
16:29.02[Clive]What spc netra?
16:29.08z00daxLeeds: nope, i am keeping the ultra10
16:29.08[Clive]spec
16:29.15[Clive]yes i'm clive-h
16:29.19z00dax[Clive]: t105
16:29.27[Clive]oooh
16:29.35z00dax18 gb hdd, 512megs ram 400mhz cpu iirc
16:29.37[Clive]how much RAM?
16:29.54[Clive]Can I have one please?
16:30.09ArmandIf I knew what it was, I would probably be interested. :D
16:30.12z00daxok, i shall hang onto one for you. does anyone else also want one ? if so - email and let me know
16:30.33[Clive]they're fairly funky
16:30.36ArmandBRB, Roxy is home.. !
16:31.41Armandoh good, she's ok. :D
16:31.59ArmandRoxy = my dog. :)
16:32.00z00daxArmand: http://www.t105.com/
16:32.26Armandoh, nice. :D
16:32.44Armand:D
16:34.00[Clive]i've other sun kit but netras are cool
16:36.32Ch0Hag<PROTECTED>
16:36.35Ch0Hagbah
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16:37.04[Clive]Apparently not
16:41.11Armandwouldn't mind one, not a clue what the hell I'd do with it though. :P
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17:08.33clive-hyay, i seem to have a face to face interview
17:10.35rhowe_Leeds: ?
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17:12.17morsingeyore!
17:12.20Armandnice one Clive. :)
17:12.23morsingrhowe_: How are you?
17:12.50rhowe_morsing: Not so bad
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17:20.27morsingTHANK-YOU RUSSELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
17:20.32morsingFFS!
17:35.14boudiccasMYTH:     A female moth.
17:39.18jcookemanboudiccas: what about a pint
17:39.26jcookemanI keep bothering this channel
17:39.48jcookemanabout a pint. I think they're all abstainers from the booze
17:40.23clive-hMine's a lager
17:40.39clive-hI'll come pubbing after the talk on 22nd
17:40.41ArmandBEER!
17:40.48morsingjcookeman: A you worth meeting for a pint?
17:40.50ArmandDamnit, where's my beer?
17:41.13jcookemanmorsing: I'm top mate
17:43.07Ch0HagDoes anyone know how to partition a hard drive for a (m68k) mac on a PC?
17:44.35morsingjcookeman: I'm playing tennis after work tomorrow but maybe next week?
17:44.52jcookemanyeah
17:45.40morsing:(
17:45.48jcookemanwhat?
17:47.49goibhniuCh0Hag: I'll bet a bag of crisps etorix knows
17:49.05morsing~seen etorix
17:49.07ibotetorix is currently on #gllug (1h 34m 58s), last said: 'default xchat wont allow teh'.
17:49.14morsingibot teh
17:49.15ibotBroken keyboard or hand
17:49.24Ch0Hagor humour
17:49.24morsingibot you're funny :D
17:50.25morsing~seen murb
17:50.26ibotmurb <n=murbix@mail.yuri.org.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 19d 19h 51m 27s ago, saying: '"You must log in to see this page."'.
17:52.34etorixi dont eat crisps
17:52.42Ch0HagNor do I.
17:52.46morsingbeer
17:52.51Ch0HagMaybe he's betting a bag of crisps for himself.
17:53.12morsingJDHFLHDSFIAHFELIZSFEHLZIEHCESZFS
17:53.26etorixby m68k u mean a 68k mac with bsd on it?
17:54.51goibhniuyes ... if etorix knows .. someone owes me a bag of crisps ... a fancy bag ... toasted dolphin wing flavour
17:56.03etorixmy 68k mac is scsi
17:56.42Ch0Haghdd is IDE
17:56.45Ch0HagPerforma 630
17:57.25etorixah, ok, format it fat32, reformat it when u put it in the mac
17:57.42Ch0HagWill a PC partition table work?
17:57.51etorixnot for long
17:58.16etorixum, ok for data, yeah, it could
17:58.19Ch0HagIt wouldn't format it from linux w/ swap.
17:58.42Ch0HagThe only system I can get into is from a network install disc.
17:58.43etorixu can vfat from linux
17:58.49Ch0HagI can't unstuff anything else.
17:59.12etorixhmm .. i never formatted over network
17:59.15etorixsec
17:59.24etorixum
17:59.28Ch0HagI have no network, just a network install disc.
17:59.38Ch0HagIt's the only dd-able image I've managed to scour off the net.
17:59.47etorixu need an rescue disk floppy
18:00.37Ch0HagFrom?
18:01.32Ch0HagBah why must everything be compressed with these weird mac compression tools?
18:02.30clive-hThere's a linux unstuffit
18:02.37Ch0HagYeah it segfaults.
18:03.23clive-hI think you may need to do export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL
18:05.36morsingGrailfruit juice
18:08.33morsingibot throgmorton
18:10.25boudiccas~ibot throgmorton
18:11.11Ch0HagDisc initialisation still fails :(
18:11.37Ch0HagTime to find a better boot disc.
18:12.06morsinghttp://www.throgmorton.co.uk/
18:20.16Ch0HagStark: *I* can see.
18:20.20Ch0HagCrase: If only you could think.
18:21.20morsingBeer
18:23.17Ch0HagDAMMIT!
18:23.21Ch0Hagrescue.bin doesn't boot.
18:25.32Ch0Hagetorix: Do you have a 68k mac boot disc with hd preparation utilities and a few minutes to spare?
18:25.48etorixum
18:25.55Ch0Hagto, eg., decompress it for me and let me download it.
18:26.02etorixwell, i may have on floppy
18:26.33etorixtrouble is , handling these on linux destroys em
18:27.01Ch0HagYeah that's the trouble I seem to be having.
18:30.07Ch0HagAcorn are so much easier.
18:30.30Ch0HagOS in ROM and an easily downloadable app to stick on a PC disc and format a hard drive.
18:37.59Ch0HagBless you.
18:38.09morsingThank-you
18:38.37etorixim just looking in a couple of cds
18:38.40etorixsec
18:42.03etorixhmm .. im not finding
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18:45.44morsinggoltor the great one!
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18:48.36morsingCh0Hag!
18:48.40Armand|FOODYAY! 97%!
18:50.10Ch0HagBloody graphics cards.
18:50.10Ch0HagThe only instability this machine every suffers from is caused by bloody ATI.
18:50.37morsingArmand|FOOD: You've eating 97%?!
18:50.41Armand|FOODlol
18:50.41morsingEaten
18:50.54Armand|FOODtorrent DL, for Fedora 8 Test.
18:52.31Armand|FOODanother 2 minutes. :)
18:53.33Ch0Hagetorix: No luck?
18:53.52etorixnah
18:54.16etorixand neither of my macs is bootable today
18:54.38Armand|FOODDone! :D
18:55.18Ch0HagHeh.
18:55.26goltorg0t backup?
18:55.42morsinggoltor! You can speak?
18:55.43Ch0HagI had a Mac an Acorn and an Amiga, so I started with the one machine I couldn't get to work.
18:55.52goltoraye morsing
18:55.55goltorhello
18:56.31morsing:)
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19:13.24Armandguuhhhh.. now I've eatten 97%!
19:13.28Armandstuffed. :P
19:19.38kevcKipling's third law
19:19.43kevcthe last 5% is always the slowest
19:19.56Armandyup..
19:20.15Armandespecially when it's bits of celery & spring onion.
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19:20.33Ch0HagSpring onion is good.
19:21.00Armandtastes like trying to clean out your ear with your tongue..
19:23.19Ch0HagCan't say I've ever experienced that.
19:24.24Armandprefer some red onions in a greek salad.
19:24.36Armandbut this was just a crappy basic salad.
19:24.40Armand:(
19:24.44Ch0HagSalad sucks.
19:25.03Armandfruit salad ftw!
19:25.11Ch0HagFruit?
19:25.14Ch0HagYeah that's different.
19:25.17Armand:D
19:25.50Armandor a nice herb salad, wrapped in a rizla. :D
19:28.02morsingAnyone know what's up with trousers?
19:28.23Ch0HagA belt or braces usually.
19:28.49Armandbelt, ftw.. braces, for Russ Abbot. :P
19:29.29morsingMy god - email from Laura?! I'm stumped
19:30.33z00daxmorsing: is she cute ?
19:34.09morsingz00dax: Sort of, well yes. Also massive breasts (*really*) but that's not really me :O
19:34.44Ch0HagMassive breasts are generally not cute.
19:34.46morsingShe also used to be on my Facebook friends list but I have been ordered to delete her
19:34.52morsingCh0Hag: I agree
19:35.07z00daxmorsing: ok you can keep her
19:35.16morsingQuite surprised she responded
19:35.30morsingz00dax: Why? You not into the whole breast thing either?
19:35.48z00daxnot really no
19:35.57morsingGood
19:36.48morsingShe's a very nice girl though
19:37.01z00daxaye, i am sure you will do well together
19:39.14morsingz00dax: HA HA HA HA! !!!!   Do you want to see me dead? I can list about 2-3 maybe four people who would string me up for touching her!
19:39.42z00daxmorsing: atleast you die happy
19:40.21morsing:)  You mean they would suffocate me between her breasts?  :O
19:40.34z00daxif thats what floats your boat...
19:40.51z00daxand as long as she is not BSD licensed
19:41.22morsingI don't think I quite got that...?
19:49.59Armandz00dax, what are you asking for those Netra units?
20:00.12z00daxArmand: interest and usage in Linux/sparc
20:00.52ArmandWell, interest in Linux, for sure. :D
20:01.33ArmandI've never touched Sun hardware.. so I can't really say for that, but I do want to learn.
20:01.39clive-hz00dax: does centos support sparc on the netras?
20:01.55z00daxclive-h: its what we are working on
20:02.05clive-hahh ok
20:02.08ArmandI'm moving over all my hardware to Linux atm.
20:02.12z00daxyou can pretty much install 4.2 on it - and get an upgrade path. We should have 5.1 on there in about a months time
20:02.36clive-h4.2 would be what i'd do then
20:02.37Armandgetting intensely bored of Windoze & M$ in general.
20:02.48z00daxArmand: send me an email : its my nickname at centos.org
20:02.53Armandrgr
20:03.11z00daxI am surprised that no one on gllug list has mentioned anything :)
20:03.36clive-hI loathe doze
20:04.02clive-hI find it counter intuitive
20:05.30Armandmostly, I'm getting annoyed with all the DRM + licensing BS.
20:05.54ArmandI don't need M$ to tell me WHAT I'm allowed to do with MY hardware.
20:06.43clive-hLinux has DRM
20:06.53Armandwhere?
20:07.39clive-hLinus took the view hell why not
20:07.47ArmandO_O
20:07.51Armandthats bollocks.
20:08.10clive-hNo
20:08.29clive-hYou don't have to enable it
20:08.32Armandsounds more like, "If we don't, the kernel won't run on Intel's hardware"
20:08.53clive-hNot at all
20:09.29Armandit's just the whole M$ + Intel dictatorship issue that pisses me off, tbh.
20:10.04ArmandI've been reading about the whole "Trusted" issue for a few years now, and it's just sick.
20:10.22ArmandWhy the hell should I trust them?
20:10.45clive-hErrrm
20:10.51ArmandAlthough, I should say.. I suffer from rampant paranioa. :P
20:11.23clive-hi think getting someone to talk about SElinux was mooted
20:12.14clive-hthe nix community is also interested in trusted platforms
20:14.28Armandcan't say I'm that interested meself..
20:15.12clive-hI'm sure i should learn SELinux
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20:18.26ArmandAhh.. there is another question, do you guys have a folding team?
20:35.05morsingtrousers!
20:35.12morsingtrousers: Why are you silent?
20:35.29Armandcoz I zipped him up. :)
20:35.54morsingWOOHOOOOO!
20:42.43morsingHa ha:
20:42.45morsinghttp://eco.li/photos/Misc/Misc/Misc-Images/6.jpg
20:42.51morsingIt's Toby!
21:49.00Armandoutta here. gnite all. :)
21:49.05z00daxta
21:49.12z00daxArmand: not had any email from you
21:51.20halihm, has anyone toyed with azul appliances?
21:59.04z00daxnot me no, i am on a low java diet
21:59.32halithey fucking cool boxes
21:59.37halii'm getting one for work
21:59.43halijust wondered if anyone had played with them
21:59.54halia client just bought the 768 cpu model
22:00.03halii'm just getting 96 procs
22:00.28z00dax768 ? wtf are they doing with that
22:00.53halinormal cheating
22:01.02haliit's just a custom chip
22:01.06hali48 cores per chip
22:01.07hali16 chips
22:01.15z00daxis it cores, or threads
22:01.18halicores
22:01.24haliactually processing units
22:01.27halinot threads
22:01.42z00daxthis is the vega2 platform righ ?
22:01.44z00daxright
22:01.50haliyep
22:01.57haliover a million quid
22:02.07z00daxeven for 96 cores ?
22:02.12halinah
22:02.13z00daxthats only 2 sockets
22:02.18halithe 3220 i'm getting is just 225k
22:02.25z00daxI bet oracle love it for their per-socket pricing model
22:02.32haliheh e:)
22:02.40haliit only runs java offloading though
22:02.46halicustom os and all
22:02.59z00daxdoes it do the whole java-6 stack ?
22:03.10z00daxi suppose for that much money, prolly does
22:04.33clive-herrrki
22:07.57halinot sure about java6, but it does *most* java5 things
22:07.57haliit still requires an appserver etc
22:07.58halii won't do any jdbc calls etc
22:07.58halijust plain computation
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22:16.48resuDaedanyone still about?
22:17.18z00daxnope
22:17.21z00daxthey saw you coming
22:19.28resuDaed:-P
22:20.10resuDaedjust wondered if there was anyone who could answer my sw-raid related queries on sun h/w
22:26.35resuDaedscrew it, gonna try dos partition tables
22:54.35z00daxresuDaed, use zfs ?
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