IRC log for #gllug on 20070921

00:00.11z00daxdid people know that globix is now a redbux/telecity brand
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04:24.35clive-hI didn't know that
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07:00.55bilarhpeople
07:06.36Ch0HagWhere?
07:11.32bilarhover there!
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07:54.59Ch0HagBy the stair?
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08:06.48bilarhi've got the man flu from hell
08:06.56bilarhand i've just spilt latte all over my keyboard
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08:17.24Ch0HagThat's all man flu is, isn't it?
08:17.29Ch0HagFeeling sorry for oneself?
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08:19.13benoystmorning
08:19.20blightmornin
08:25.08Ch0HagWho is the crazy old woman at the end of Farscape series 3?
08:30.53blightCh0Hag: she is a healer
08:31.06blightCh0Hag: if I remember right plays an important part later on
08:31.11Ch0HagShe does.
08:31.15Ch0HagBut who is she?
08:31.34blightCh0Hag: can't remember her name - been a while
08:33.52blightCh0Hag: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noranti
08:35.17Ch0HagOf course - wikipedia.
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09:03.03gregjhttp://www.reallivemoms.com/
09:03.05gregjrotfl
09:04.07bilarhwtffl :-)
09:05.35gregjexactly
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09:54.06goibhniuhmm .. it looks like bethere are gonna leave me hanging without an internet connection for a couple of weeks
09:54.51goibhniudoes anyone have experience with tiscale?
09:54.58goibhniutiscali even
09:55.58goibhniuor does anyone know how I could get broadband for a couple of weeks?
09:56.07Ch0HagShite.
09:56.11Ch0HagUtter, utter shite.
09:56.23goibhniutiscali?
09:56.28Ch0HagDa.
09:56.31goibhniuhot dang
09:56.37goibhniuhow about virgin?
09:56.48bilarhstay away from tiscali, definitely! they're complete crack heads
09:56.59Ch0HagThey used to be UKFSN's upstream and then left me hanging for two months without broadband while they had an argument with Jason.
09:57.08goibhniuffs!
09:57.17goibhniuok ... they're on top of the black list
09:57.28goibhniuI used to work for ntl ... virgin must be shite
09:57.32murbtiscali still hold one of my customers domains :(
09:57.43Ch0HagWon't let go?
09:57.49Ch0HagNTL, are rigcht up there with Tiscali.
09:57.51murbwe got grandfathered into them when they took over our colo isp
09:58.06Ch0HagEven AOL are preferable to either of those.
09:58.23goibhniuhmm .. I wonder if aol could hook me up for a couple of weeks
09:58.46murbgoibhniu: could you sign up for a wireless flat rate for whatever the weekly price is?
09:59.08murbor do they also have minimum contract lenghts?
09:59.09goibhniumurb: good idea ... I'll check that out
09:59.17goibhniuthey probably do
09:59.35murbi think some of them will be glad for any money they can get.
09:59.35Ch0HagCan't go UKFSN?
10:00.04murbCh0Hag: it wouldn't make sense for 2 weeks.
10:00.09Ch0HagOh.
10:00.16goibhniuCh0Hag: maybe I should consider them though
10:00.20Ch0HagI don't think you'll get anything for that short a period.
10:00.34Ch0HagNeighbour and a bit of CAT5?
10:00.54goibhniuI've used a cantenna before ... maybe I'll use one again
10:00.58goibhniuit sucks though
10:01.02murbbribe a neighbour to open their wireless to you?
10:01.19goibhniuif I find an AP I'll try to hunt them down and ask if they can share
10:03.10goibhniuit reallys sucks that that's the only option ... I'll have a look at other wireless things though
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10:05.32murbI've found a mobile company here that does gprs/umts for 25c / mb on a pay as you go basis.
10:05.44Ch0HagI think it sucks more that there's no sort of cooperation between neighbours and the like.
10:05.51oraclehey folks!
10:05.53oraclelong time no see
10:05.56Ch0HagWhy must every household have its own dedicated broadband line?
10:06.04Ch0HagSeems like a waste of resources.
10:06.19murbCh0Hag: s/dedicated broadband line?/dedicated water supply/
10:06.38jcookany plans tonight?
10:06.51murbyes, drinking and fighting.
10:06.54Ch0HagObviously as a geek I'd want one, but what about the little old lady that just wants to talk to family?
10:07.00jcookmurb: sweet
10:07.03jcookwhen and where?
10:07.07Ch0HagShe should use mine and pay me something like £2 per month.
10:07.13Ch0HagOr maybe she could make me a cake or something.
10:07.44Ch0Hagmurb: Despite appearances to the cantrary, broadband is unlike water in that it is not essential for life.
10:08.01Ch0HagPlus I don't like the idea of going to the well in my towel in order to get water for a bath.
10:08.05murbCh0Hag: being able to work is essential to buy food which is essential for life.
10:08.16murbinternet connectivity is essential for my line of work.
10:08.42Ch0Hagmurb: Water cannet be digitised and transferred with radio waves.
10:08.50Ch0HagAye. Mine too.
10:09.09Ch0HagBut not the stereotypical little old lady.
10:09.14Ch0HagPlus I want free cake dammit!
10:09.30murbCh0Hag: it can be vabourised and transport though.
10:09.43murbit can then be condensed and drunk.
10:09.49Ch0HagWell yes. And we get free delivery nationwide, too.
10:10.13murband the internet is oftern represented as a cloud on network diagrams.
10:10.21murbsee they are nearly the same.
10:10.24Ch0HagBut does the internet rain?
10:10.32murbit doesn't rain it pours!
10:11.24Ch0Hag'** Message: Not starting remote desktop server'
10:11.27Ch0HagUm ... thanks for that.
10:11.31Ch0Hag... why?
10:12.00Ch0HagWhy is most GUI software written as if it's a pissy teenager with some for of .... whatever it is teenagers suffer from?
10:12.10Ch0HagWhat? Be helpful?
10:14.43Ch0HagSorry.
10:14.52Ch0HagI'll bet you don't even make cake.
10:15.09jcookhow about some beers this evening guys!
10:15.17goibhniuwe make great cake!
10:15.39SlayerXPjcook: there's a london.pm social on tonight
10:16.04jcookwhere?
10:17.15SlayerXPthe eagle, city road
10:17.19SlayerXPjust near old street tube
10:17.24jcookcool
10:17.27jcookIm off bank today
10:17.37wethrinmm.....beer
10:17.48wethrinSlayerXP: Was it sent to the london.pm announce list?
10:19.03SlayerXPwethrin: not by me
10:19.57wethrinAh. It appears to be an emergency social. Was it only decided on today, then?
10:20.11jcookemergency beer drinking session
10:20.12wethrinnot that I can make it
10:20.44SlayerXPwethrin: I called it a few days ago
10:21.29wethrinahhh
10:21.34wethrinLeaving bash?
10:23.02rhowehmm
10:23.30jcookwhat time in the eagle?
10:24.14SlayerXPi'll be there at 5, perhaps a little earlier
10:24.28jcookhow do I know which party
10:24.51blightjcook: look for guys in geek t-shirts
10:25.09jcooklong, uncombed hair
10:25.23wethrinrhowe: You normally do.... :)
10:25.23blightjcook: possible BO issues
10:25.33*** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ
10:25.38jcookright
10:25.39jcookI got it
10:25.41jcook:D
10:25.56*** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Next Gllug meeting TOMORROW (Sat. 22nd), Westminster University | http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk
10:25.58blightjcook: I suspect bugger all talent there though ... :-)
10:26.00*** mode/#gllug [-o wethrin] by wethrin
10:26.22rhowewethrin: Indeed
10:26.33wethrinWill we be seeing you tomorrow?
10:26.50rhowewethrin: Met up with the girl who made quite a contribution to the departure of my ex-fiancee :P
10:27.01rhowewethrin: Perhaps - I'm moving next weekend, so I really ought to be preparing for that
10:27.10wethrinso should the wife be grateful or worried? :)
10:27.25rhoweSo if you do see me, it'll be relatively briefly
10:27.39rhoweGood question :P
10:27.39wethrinheh
10:31.53wethrinSo, my CPU fan on my P3 (slot) needs to be replaced. I guess Maplin would be a good option?
10:32.05rhowewethrin: I can probably bring you one
10:32.14rhowewethrin: Can't vouch for its age and reliability though
10:32.24wethrinAs long as it's quiet :)
10:32.28blightwethrin: or computer faire ... or TCR ... which is less painful though ...
10:32.39wethrincomputer fair won't be any good for this
10:32.49rhowewethrin: What P3 do you have?
10:32.49wethrinThey only seem to have new stuff
10:32.54wethrinrhowe: P3/450
10:33.01wethrinSlot thingy
10:33.09wethrinoriginal type
10:33.20wethrinbefore they decided that slots were silly
10:34.28rhoweHow about I bring you a P3 500 which doesn't need a fan?
10:34.33rhoweIt has a big heatsink
10:34.40wethrinIf it fits in the slot, sure
10:34.41Ch0HagI think I have a P3 that doesn't need a fan.
10:35.10antiphaseI have one that doesn't need a fan, because it's not plugged in
10:35.56rhowewethrin: This is a P3 500/512/100/2.0V S1
10:36.27wethrinIt should fit :)
10:36.56wethrinannoyingly there's no Maplin's in Durham, and I don't think our little computer shop sells small fans.
10:37.10rhoweAlright, well I guess I'll have to go to gllug tomorrow then
10:37.31wethrinhurrah!
10:37.36wethrinLunch beforehand?
10:42.55wethringw280: You suck. You're not even going to be there tomorrow
10:43.18gw280wethrin: a) my parents are coming up to cambridge, b) I hate you all, c) I'm poor.
10:43.38wethrinyou've been working over the summer!
10:43.41wethrinDemand your payslip
10:43.48gw280I'm still poor
10:43.56wethrinstudentscum
10:44.06gw280I spent all my money on my rifle
10:44.07gw280so bog off
10:44.11wethrinthat was silly
10:44.19gw280no, it wasn't
10:44.23wethrinare you going to shoot anyone with it?
10:44.31gw280no
10:44.40wethrinSo pointless, then
10:44.56wethrinor will you hunt for animals to eat?
10:45.45gw280my rifle's not allowed to be used for hunting purposes.
10:46.06wethrinwell. So you can't shoot people, and you can't hunt. What's the point? Eh?
10:49.25Ch0HagDoes anybody know Zen's support number perchance_
10:49.27Ch0Hag?
10:50.25Ch0HagAlso - why has X stopped loading up both my screens?
10:52.43bilarhchohag: 0845 058 9009
10:53.32goibhniubt support people are humans!!
10:53.47bilarhgoibhniu: corr, fancy that!
10:54.01Ch0HagAnd X? I have 'Screen 1 "Extra" RightOf "Primary"' which worked yesterday.
10:54.08Ch0HagOr whenever I last logged in.
10:54.20goibhniubilarh: with initiative!!
10:54.39Ch0Hagsupport people don't do initiative.
10:58.39goibhniuBT gave me a reference number and almost even promised me that BeThere could turn my interwebs on ... on the very same day!
11:01.48jcookbt sucks
11:01.50Ch0HagDammit ATI are shit.
11:02.25Ch0HagTwo ATI cards now does not work, if the second is driven by the vesa driver X crashes, and you can bet whatever you like that the vesa driver is fine.
11:02.49goibhniujcook BT are super!
11:03.13jcookbe there or british telecom
11:03.41goibhniuBritish telecom ... bethere are sucking massively in this house moving experiment
11:04.50jcookI think bt are the biggest slugs on the planet
11:05.05goibhniunot because BT are charging me £124.99 (they added the .99 just now) to flick a switch in the exchange
11:05.22jcookthey did the same to me
11:05.34jcookclaimed they had to send someone to actually plug someone in
11:05.42goibhniuthey just sound like humans on the phone ... bethere just sound like they can read out the email I sent them ... just about
11:05.48jcookmaybe so, but still they are twats
11:05.55jcooknot the ones I like to lick
11:07.46goibhniugoddamnit .. I hope these mesh networks take over the world
11:07.58jcookso who's going to The Eagle tonight?
11:17.52goibhniuahh ... that makes more sense .. BT were talking hogwash
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11:21.17polyunixhello all
11:21.54Ch0HagHello.
11:22.10jcookhi
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11:29.30Ch0HagWhy must I constantly have weirdness?
11:29.45antiphaseBecause you are weird
11:31.08Ch0HagATI has decided that if the main card is used, the second one simply doesn't exist, and now fvwm thinks my caps lock key is only a ctrl key sometimes with no rhyme or reason.
11:31.11Ch0HagWeirdness.
11:32.15antiphaseProbably a Y2K problem; no-one has used fvwm since before then
11:32.31Ch0HagActually I'm more bothered about ATI.
11:32.47Ch0HagFVWM I can deal with. At least it's a ctrl in the terms where it's needed.
11:32.52goibhniuwhy did you get ati cards? ... two of them even!
11:33.01goibhniuthey have a stinking reputation
11:33.15Ch0HagI got them years ago.
11:33.23Ch0HagIn fact the PCI card is ancient.
11:33.38goibhniuah ... I guess you know all about their new drivers etc
11:33.46goibhniuapparently they work now
11:34.16Ch0HagHah!
11:34.20goibhniuor is that why they've stopped working?
11:34.27Ch0HagThen why does only one screen work at a time_
11:34.30Ch0Hag?
11:34.55Ch0HagRetards, that's what they are.
11:34.58goibhniu:(
11:34.58Ch0HagRetards.
11:35.19goibhniuyou could get a nice nvidia card for £15~£20
11:35.35Ch0HagThe real problem is that nvidia are, by all accounts, equally evil.
11:35.46antiphaseAt least their evil cards work though
11:35.56Ch0HagAnd my motherboard sports only PCIe x1 slots, so I'm stuck with AGP or PCI.
11:36.02antiphaseI'm never going to use ATI again unless they do something special
11:36.12Ch0HagApparently PCIe is tha way to go these days.
11:36.30antiphaseRather. I'm not even sure you can still get new AGP stuff
11:36.44goibhniueven better .. you'll probably get a kick ass AGP card for £10
11:38.14Ch0HagHmm I've just gone to see haw much RAM my gfx card has and it says:
11:38.24Ch0Hagtotal video RAM=262144K, accessible=131072K
11:38.30Ch0HagWhy would only half of it be accessible?
11:38.53antiphaseIt'sprobably one of those horrible Hypermemory ones thatWindows can share system RAM with
11:39.27goibhniuhmm ebay seems to have way overpriced agp card
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11:41.39goibhniuhttp://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=130091&_LOC=UK
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11:42.41Ch0HagI've got two nvidias but they seem old.
11:43.31Ch0HagBah galeon's doing it's freezer thing.
11:44.24antiphaseFirefox is working fine today ;)
11:44.49Ch0HagWhat're the free nvidia drivers like/
11:45.27goibhniugetting there ... afaik
11:45.35goibhniuthey've got gears working
11:45.52goibhniuthe 2d ones are fine
11:46.09rhowehttp://www.bmt.org/careers/?/5/2/120
11:46.48antiphaseHeh, Windows desktop support + BGP
11:47.02goibhniusounds like a good job for a pirate
11:48.13bilarharr
12:05.04murbantiphase: nothing wrong with that job spec really is therE?
12:06.32Ch0HagMy numlock light doesn't work in X.
12:33.48Ch0HagWhy were stupid people ever allowed to use computers?
12:34.14Ch0HagI have far too much software and hardware which tries to guess how to configure itself for their benefit and gets it utterly, utterly wrong.
12:34.32antiphaseI'd fix your keyboard problem before you moan about people that can't work computers ;)
12:34.51Ch0HagMy keyboard was fine before I upgraded X.
12:34.54Ch0HagX is trying to be clever.
12:35.00Ch0HagX is getting it utterly, utterly wrong.
12:35.32antiphaseI wasn't aware it was self-aware. You probably have the wrong keyboard type in the config innit
12:35.46Ch0HagIt's the same thing it was last week.
12:35.46antiphaseSo blame the retards that put your shit distro together :)
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12:35.57Ch0HagThat would be Debian.
12:36.22Ch0HagI think even they are succumbing to the make-it-work-for-apple-users syndrome.
12:36.23antiphaseIs it Xfree version 5 then?
12:36.57Ch0HagWhat?
12:37.07Ch0HagOh. Yes. "Debian uses old software".
12:37.11Ch0HagHahaha. Never heard that one before.
12:39.47Ch0HagWtf? Robert Jordan is dead.
12:39.59Ch0HagNow he won't be able to finish writing that bloody book.
12:47.48dick_turpinboudiccas:
12:48.40boudiccasyo dude
12:49.11dick_turpinboudiccas: Where's me birthday snog?
12:49.31bilarhlock your daughters in, it's dick_turpin
12:50.01boudiccasdick_turpin; i don't know? i didn't know that you were worthy of one on your birthday, which is, i presume, today
12:50.20boudiccasso how old are you today then?
12:50.22bilarhdick_turpin: happy 102'nd ;-)
12:50.44boudiccas21st again!? how many times have you been 21 now then?
12:51.01dick_turpinboudiccas: Yep I'm now officially 18 and can drink, vote and kiss women and small sheep
12:51.26boudiccasdick_turpin; do what to small sheep? what you were telling me about yesterday?
12:51.47dick_turpinboudiccas: Oops scrum that wrong channel
12:52.13bilarh"clipping around teh lug hole"... is that what you used to say back in the thirties? :)
12:52.16boudiccasscrum? isn't that a rugby football term?
12:52.16dick_turpinscrub
12:52.33dick_turpinSCRUB fat fingers :-P
12:52.53boudiccasthey wear them in operating theatres you know, scrubs!
12:53.29boudiccasdon't know why theyre called 'scrubs' but there some of the softest and most comfortable pyjamas i've everworn
12:53.30dick_turpinI've had hundreds of automated emails even one from the Ubuntu community
12:53.33boudiccas*ever worn
12:54.28gw280http://www.stephenfry.com/blog/?p=3
12:54.31gw280nice bit: "Server side apps only. No, no, no, no, no. This is NOT good. It’s one thing to want to keep the proprietary system closed, but to present a device sealed in digital Araldite is a Bad Idea. An Ubuntu flavoured Linux for mobiles is in the works, and you don’t get more open source than that. Damn it, there’s Linux for the Palm available these days."
12:54.41boudiccaswell you must be the first centarian that the ubuntu community has ever had, so its a very special occasion. i preesume mark shuttleworth is coming round to get his photo taken with you?
12:54.52dick_turpinboudiccas: Back in 1982 the V neck was pretty low and the female nurses ect...... now they have round neckd or pin them up. killjoys
12:55.59boudiccasi see that my local hospital has moved over the trousers and tunics for the females, slightly similar to the ones used by the males
12:56.26dick_turpinbilarh: Look I've told you before I at least can have plastic surgery but theres no options open for you :-P
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12:56.55boudiccasbut i can't stand seeing ward nurses wandering around town in their uniforms. i think that its a hygiene risk
12:57.17boudiccascarrying bugs from the community back into the hopsital
12:57.19bilarhboudiccas: are you a nurse?
12:57.24boudiccasi used to be
12:57.39bilarhah cool...
12:57.48dick_turpinbilarh: She still has the outfit ;-)
12:57.50bilarhdick, queue some nurse jokes
12:57.54boudiccasi was a staff nurse on a cancer ward for 6.5 yeras
12:57.57bilarhbeat me to it :P
12:57.58boudiccas*years
12:58.22jcookmmmmmmmmmmm nurses
12:58.22boudiccasdick_turpin; it isn't an outfit, its a uniform
12:59.02bilarhhmm, i don't know... dick_turpin told me he bought a nurses outfit from ann summers yesterday
12:59.31bilarhserious question, what's the difference between an outfit and a uniform anyway?
12:59.49boudiccasbilarh; ah, that would be an /outfit/ then, playing on the males liking for a uniform and making it as scanty and revealing as possible
12:59.54Ch0HagOne is sexy?
12:59.57dick_turpinbilarh: They outfit comes with removable bits ;-)
13:00.02dick_turpinThe
13:00.11halidid someone mention a nurses' outfit? *wakes up* :)
13:00.53bilarhi bought my boss a nurses outfit once
13:01.02bilarhhe hung it in his office window for about two years
13:01.11dick_turpinbilarh: Is thet why you are out of work?
13:01.19dick_turpinthat
13:01.30boudiccasbilarh; a uniform is protective clothing and provides a uniform look amongst a group of people with recognisable symbols of their rank
13:01.32bilarhnah, he was a good laugh most of the time :)
13:01.39cpufreakbilarh: you left your new job?
13:01.48bilarhcpufreak: nope, not yet...
13:01.55bilarhcpufreak: in fact, it's bloody excellent here :D
13:01.58cpufreakoh right.
13:02.21bilarhcpufreak: wethrin keeps moaning about you not contacting him, you should probably /msg him :)
13:02.29cpufreakI just have
13:02.32bilarhcool
13:02.38cpufreaknot had any spare timein the last whilst
13:02.46cpufreakwas in the office til 4am this morning working
13:02.51cpufreakback in again for 10am today
13:03.26dick_turpinhttp://images.centrosales.co.uk/General/tank2.jpg
13:22.36goibhniuhi cpufreak ... are you gonna be able to talk tomorrow?
13:37.48cpufreakI msg'd wethrin earlier.
13:37.57cpufreak14:03 <cpufreak> I've been snowed under hence not on irc
13:37.57cpufreak14:04 <cpufreak> as such not had time to get anything written/approved.
13:38.06cpufreakand as I said n the channel
13:38.10cpufreak14:04 < cpufreak> not had any spare timein the last whilst
13:38.10cpufreak14:04 < cpufreak> was in the office til 4am this morning working
13:38.11cpufreak14:04 < cpufreak> back in again for 10am today
13:38.46goibhniusounds like a no
13:38.51goibhniuthat's a pity
13:38.56cpufreak14:39 < cpufreak> 14:04 <cpufreak> as such not had time to get anything written/approved.
13:39.04cpufreakwould kinda indicate that, yes.
13:39.15goibhniuhow kind of you to keep everyone informed
13:39.20cpufreakfuck off.
13:39.30cpufreakas I stated I've been snowed under by work and as such not been on irc
13:39.58cpufreakyour sarcasm is a /real/ incentive for me to make the effort another time.
13:40.19cpufreakwhilst I would like to give a talk and have some interesting stuff to talk about, work comes first
13:40.41cpufreakseeing as they're who pay for me to live.
13:41.25goibhniuI just think it would have been nice to let wethrin know this a little earlier
13:41.45goibhniuhe goes to a lot of effort to arrange this
13:41.48cpufreakI would have done so
13:41.52cpufreakif I had had a choice.
13:42.28cpufreakonly reason I'm online right now, is because I'm waiting on someothers, and there'snothing I can do in the meantime
13:43.12Ch0HagWell you can prepare your talk while you wait then.
13:43.14cpufreakI told him it'd be subject to time constraints when I offered in the first placed.
13:43.43cpufreakthat wont work, as it'd need to be checked by PR, and then sent to the copywriters
13:44.53Ch0HagOh you have one of THOSE types of jobs.
13:45.42cpufreaklast conversation I had with wethrin in here was:
13:45.42cpufreak11:38 < wethrin> Any word from your boss as to what you can talk about, if you can talk about it?
13:45.43cpufreak11:38 < cpufreak> i've not had time
13:45.43cpufreak11:38 < cpufreak> only had a day and a hal in the office this week
13:45.45goibhniucpufreak: fair enough, you did say it was depending on circumstances
13:46.09goibhniuit is a pity though
13:46.20gregjanyone can lend me 100-150 quid till end of the month please?
13:47.01cpufreakCh0Hag: we're sitll pre-launch, so need to be careful what we say, to ensure we do't give the game away and stuff.
13:47.09goibhniuwould it suck to show a video talk tomorrow?
13:47.31cpufreakgoibhniu: yeh it sucks. I'd have also liked to have had some sleep this week
13:47.36cpufreak4hrs/night isn't enough
13:47.44gregjtell me `bout it
13:48.36Ch0HagPre-launch what?
13:50.18goibhniuthe death ray
13:50.26Ch0HagCool.
13:50.59Ch0HagWhy would you need more than one?
13:51.07Ch0HagOr are they like the NetHack death ray?
13:51.19goibhniuin case someone else has 6,000,000
13:53.04dick_turpingoibhniu: :-)
13:56.50wethrinSo. Can anyone give a last-minute talk?
13:58.32halihm
13:58.45wethrinhali? :)
13:59.07halii can think of lots of things i can talk about, but nothing on short notice nor that would be very interesting for most nerds
13:59.18wethrinaye, that's the trouble
14:00.51gregjheh
14:03.16wethrin~seen z00dax
14:03.17ibotz00dax is currently on #gllug (1d 11h 36m 53s). Has said a total of 21 messages. Is idling for 14h 3m 6s, last said: 'did people know that globix is now a redbux/telecity brand '.
14:04.47goibhniuwethrin: would it suck to show a video talk from some recent conference or something like that?
14:05.07wethringoibhniu: A little :) But could be done. Do you have a video?
14:05.14goibhniuI can find one
14:05.33goibhniuthe room definitely has a sound system?
14:05.36wethrinooh
14:05.42wethrinIt has done in the past
14:07.26goibhniuwell .. I'll have a look for a video as an emergency back-up ... but if anyone else does come out of the wood work then we can forget about it
14:08.08wethrinaye. I'm looking if anyone on london.pm wants to do it
14:08.38wethrinJust wondering if it's worth sending an announcement
14:09.07goibhniuthere's probably a fun video about perl 6 somewhere
14:09.16goibhniularry is very entertaining
14:09.52wethrinAs I don't want to send one to say a talk's been cancelled, then yet another one to say something else is back on
14:11.22wethrinmaybe I could just ask on the main gllug list, if someone wants to volunteer?
14:11.29goibhniuI guess you could just say that one has been cancelled, but the rest are going ahead and you're still looking for an emergency speaker
14:11.55wethrinas an announcement?
14:12.02wethrinand then another just asking for speakers?
14:12.27goibhniuor yeah ... maybe just ask for an extra speaker
14:12.40goibhniubrb
14:17.04dick_turpingoibhniu: You could ask my mate Barbie, he's a Perl Minger barbie@missbarbell.co.uk http://barbie.missbarbell.co.uk/
14:17.36wethrinwhere does he live?
14:18.04z00daxwethrin: hi
14:18.10wethrinahh, z00dax!
14:18.50dick_turpinwethrin: Brum but he travels all over He might be down that way and up for it, if not book him for next time, tell him I mentioned him
14:18.59wethrinnod. Next time might be better
14:19.01z00daxoops
14:19.05z00daxwho was that ? cpufreak  ?
14:19.28wethrinaye
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14:20.52bilarhmy god, what is up with the gllug list today... it's overflowing my inbox like my waist my jeans :-\
14:22.18dick_turpinwethrin: goibhniu: heres his other site thats more appropriate http://use.perl.org/~barbie/journal
14:41.17wethrinELACKOFTIME
14:42.00wethrinz00dax: Will we be going for curry tomorrow evening?
14:42.25z00daxwethrin: lets play it by the ear ? I wont be able to make it anyway
14:42.30z00daxhave a birthday bash to get to
14:42.37wethrinboh
14:42.38z00daxwill come to the pub for a drink though
14:42.42wethrinrar
14:43.20goibhniudick_turpin: a real perl zealot! that would be cool if he could give a talk next time
14:45.40goibhniumaybe we could have a round table session
14:46.07goibhniumaybe it's too late for that
14:46.21wethrinwe were going to have that anyway
14:46.33goibhniuyeah? cool
14:46.58goibhniulike 3 or 4 people who espouse competing web frameworks or something?
14:47.02wethrinOh, no.
14:47.26wethrinWe were going to have a discussion about what was mentioned on list, about having a longer more FOSDEM-type event
14:47.49goibhniuoh, sorry .. I haven't been reading the list lately
14:47.58wethrinahhh
14:48.06wethrinFollow the link from the announcement post
14:50.15murbwethrin: fosdem without proper beer??
14:50.43wethrinit wouldn't be in the Green Man
14:51.24murbthey've still not fixed their lack of drinkable beer issues?
14:51.33wethrinI don't know. I haven't been there for some time
14:51.39wethrinover a year
14:54.57wethringoibhniu: What facilities do you need for your talk?
14:55.26goibhniuI need to be able to plug my laptop into the projector .. sound would be nice too, but not essential
14:56.06wethrinGot a VGA cable?
14:56.15wethrinSorry - VGA port?
14:56.24goibhniuyep
14:56.34wethrinshould be okay, then
14:56.47goibhniuI've never plugged it into a projector before .. so that's my greatest fear
14:56.53goibhniuafter that ... death
14:56.56dick_turpingoibhniu: Can you tape it so that I can watch it later?
14:57.17goibhniudick_turpin: I'll do a private version just for you
14:57.42goibhniuI have just got a camera this week actually
14:57.56dick_turpingoibhniu: Sh, I told you never to speak of our arrangement in public
14:58.09goibhniuso maybe I'll record the next talks and lash them up on the webs
14:58.56dick_turpingoibhniu: Its a pity you cant do a webcam live feed I'd login and watch too
15:02.43bilarhgoibhniu: www.youporn.com
15:03.04dick_turpinbilarh: www.thehun.net
15:05.02bilarhis it work safe? :)
15:05.06goibhniuhmm ... "multimedia and podcasting with plone" any votes?
15:05.35wethrincould be done
15:05.41bilarhl8rs people, i'm off
15:05.54dick_turpinbilarh: Pooh
15:06.09bilarhdick_turpin: maybe, i pass the loo on the way out
15:06.43dick_turpinbilarh: You said you was off, like the milks gone off
15:07.28bilarhdick_turpin: sorry, I meant that I was about to leave
15:07.43bilarhhonestly, some people!
15:07.51dick_turpinbilarh: s@OK I was taiking the pee. TTFN
15:08.06dick_turpins'OK
15:08.09bilarhwill you just stop your potty humour!?
15:08.23dick_turpinbilarh: Bum :-)
15:08.51bilarhi'll see your bum and raise you my penis
15:09.09bilarhthat sounds wrong on more than one level :P
15:10.52bilarhit really was quite unintentional
15:18.56boudiccaswhat a weird conversation!
15:20.03goibhniuhmm .. this plone presentation sucks
15:21.39gregjplne sux
15:22.02goibhniuhmm .. an ipython demo?
15:22.18goibhniupython 3000?
15:22.22goibhniublender?
15:26.27wethrinno-one volunteering to give a talk. Sigh
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15:39.24goibhniuI have one video I know is watchable .. and hasn't been seen by anyone ... but it's also about video editing :(
15:39.29goibhniuin blender
15:39.43goibhniuit's ~30mins
15:40.04goibhniuI'm installing miro now .. to see if I can find anything else
15:40.17goibhniuthere are plenty of older ones that are good
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16:34.12polyunixgoibhniu>: hello
16:37.00goibhniuyo
16:38.42polyunixcan i bring my iBook tomorrow?
16:38.48wethrinSure
16:38.55wethrinWe can't stop you :)
16:38.59polyunixoh :)
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16:39.20wethrinWould you like me to bring a set of Torx bits?
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16:39.52polyunixgoibhniu>: btw thanks for your wise advise on mint
16:40.52goibhniupolyunix: great! I've never tried it ... just heard about it ... I'm delighted you like it
16:40.52wethrinjason++
16:40.55wethrinhe's offered
16:40.56polyunixi just installed it on sony lapt. for a windows boy with all beryl whistles :)  
16:41.10polyunixwow
16:41.19goibhniuwethrin: fantastic!
16:42.00polyunixi thought the guy will get heart arrest!
16:43.35polyunixgoibhniu>: on mint cassandra , beryl is out of the box! quite stable.
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16:53.37goibhniupolyunix: that's great news ... so is mint a good distro for noobs?
16:54.56wethringoibhniu: Do you have a Knoppix CD?
16:55.06goibhniunope
16:55.10wethrinAlso, do you need my phone number if you need to get in touch with me tomorrow?
16:55.10goibhniunot a recent one anyway
16:55.16wethrinhm
16:55.23wethrinhopefully we should be okay
16:55.23goibhniubut I can burn one
16:56.02goibhniuwethrin: I guess if I'm there at 1:30 I'll be ok?
16:56.06wethrinyes
16:56.12goibhniuyeah, could I have your number ... to be sure
16:56.13wethrinKnoppix is useful to have around :)
16:56.26murbknoppix on usb stick++
16:59.13goibhniujason from ukfsn?
16:59.29wethrinyeah
16:59.55goibhniucool
17:00.30polyunixgoibhniu>: i wouldn't put it on my machine, but  mates who are windows bounded would highly appreciate it.
17:01.52goibhniupolyunix: I've felt ubuntu lacked a lot of wizard type things that windows users will expect
17:02.01goibhniumandriva has lots of that stuff
17:02.09goibhniuand kde in general I suppose
17:02.32goibhniuI assume mint is gnome by default
17:04.37polyunixwethrin>: i have no torx
17:05.13polyunixgoibhniu>: yes gnome's default manager
17:06.36polyunixgoibhniu>: the only 1 problem i had - wireless card losing connection on protected network.
17:08.39wethrinpolyunix: I'll bring my set along, then
17:08.46wethrinIf I remember :0
17:09.12polyunixwethrin>: do you need some help there with anything? i can come a bit earlier
17:09.33polyunixi can move and lift things
17:10.15wethrinpolyunix: Nah - there's nothing to move/lift
17:10.27polyunixwethrin>: what a life
17:10.58wethrinI know...
17:11.14boudiccas~seen morsing
17:11.17ibotmorsing <i=morsing@emil.morsing.cc> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 1d 4h 1m 44s ago, saying: 'People here are just so unbelievably unhelpful...'.
17:12.29polyunixwethrin: really. why do i do it?
17:15.50goibhniupolyunix: I have a set too ... I'll also try to remember to bring em
17:16.14polyunixgoibhniu: thank you
17:17.15polyunixi will try to collect dead ibook from the shop in the morning.
17:17.23wethrinpolyunix: I'm just curious
17:17.31wethrinIs it your IRC client set up to do it?
17:17.38polyunixno
17:17.45polyunixit's me
17:18.00wethrincarry on :)
17:18.27polyunixok
17:18.33polyunixwethrin>: !
17:19.20polyunixwethrin>: it looks a bit unusual, but useless.
17:19.59rhowehttp://www.csun.edu/~cdg15757/health-medicine/memory-foam-mattress-story.html
17:20.08wethrinyeah - unusual, hence I was wondering
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17:20.21wethrinI've seen people using emacs IRC clients who put a '>' after nicknames, rather than a :
17:20.32wethrinrhowe! Will you come for lunch tomorrow?
17:20.38rhowewethrin: Peraps
17:20.47wethrinrarr
17:31.54polyunixit looks like mac shop is closed tomorrow. there is no need in torx. :(
17:32.03wethrinokay
17:34.18wethrinHm. Is a tenner for a (used but working) dual-head Matrox G450 AGP card reasonable?
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17:52.03*** topic/#gllug is Next Gllug meeting TOMORROW (Sat. 22nd), Westminster University | http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk
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18:49.33wethrin:)
19:04.59wethrinSo. It looks like tomorrow will be Gllug's 10th anniversary
19:16.40murbreally?
19:16.47wethrinYup
19:17.05murbhow are you dating it?
19:17.10wethrinWell, last week was Gllug's 10th
19:17.13wethrinTomorrow's the meeting
19:17.22wethrinhttp://shorterlink.org/3139
19:17.29wethrin13th Sep. 1997 was the first meeting
19:18.05murboh i was at the meeting, but are you sure it was really the first?
19:18.14wethrinapparently
19:18.36wethrinSo it's claimed, etc.
19:18.40wethrinAnd with that, I'm off.
20:53.10clive-hIs the meet tomorrow still on?
21:08.44goibhniuyep
21:09.04clive-hokay
21:09.06goibhniujason from the ukfsn is filling in
21:09.12clive-hahh right
21:09.22clive-hwhat's jason talking about?
21:09.36goibhniudunno :)
21:10.03clive-hIntrigueing
21:10.14goibhniuthe mystery talk
21:11.16clive-hI'm very uninterested in the games one
21:11.48goibhniuoh ... I'm looking forward to that
21:12.03clive-hI'm not a gamer
21:12.09goibhniuare you thinking twice about going?
21:12.32goibhniuI'm not a gamer either ... but I'm curious
21:12.37clive-hI'll come along
21:12.52goibhniuI heard sierra are hiring lots of linux devs lately
21:12.59goibhniuthey make half-life
21:13.05clive-hI'm a sysad
21:13.07goibhniuthat's about all I know about gaming :)
21:13.14clive-hNot a developer
21:13.28clive-hi've some linux games
21:13.46clive-hbut these days wine will run most windows stuff
21:14.11goibhniutrue ... faster than vista too afaik
21:14.43clive-hI have Vista on this laptop
21:14.52clive-hIt's deadly slow
21:15.17clive-hBut it's there if I need it
21:15.30clive-hI normally use linux on all of my boxes
21:15.45clive-hexcept the suns and the mac
21:16.00goibhniuI've kept xp on this machine too
21:16.19goibhniuI was desperate to install IE7 on it once ... but I couldn't and gave up :)
21:16.27goibhniuwine 4tw!
21:16.38clive-hI've xp pro under vmware on this
21:16.52clive-hIe7 sort of runs on linux
21:17.47clive-hIE6 works well
21:18.07boudiccasi've installed ie6 using wine-doors
21:18.28clive-hI used ies4linux
21:18.35goibhniuI heard wine-doors was nice
21:18.47clive-hI've no idea what wine-doors is
21:18.57boudiccasit is and its under constant development atm
21:19.19goibhniuit does the tweaking you'd otherwise need to do manually to get stuff to work with wine afaik
21:19.22boudiccasclive-h; its like yumex for wine
21:20.17goibhniuwow ... is it like a package manager?
21:20.48clive-hsounds like it
21:21.09boudiccasi'm not sure, its still under active development
22:05.12clive-hit's not in any of the F7 repos I ahve
22:05.14clive-hhave
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22:51.10aguaithefreakis the Cavindish st close to the Regent Campus?
22:51.22aguaithefreakor any other one?
22:51.37clive-hnot particularly
22:52.12clive-hnearest tubes are goodge street
22:52.19clive-hor warren st
22:53.53clive-hit's quite near ULU
22:55.42aguaithefreakOK and there will be a ....classroom or something?
22:56.31clive-hI'll guess probably classrooms
22:56.42clive-hand a lecture theatre
22:57.13clive-hyou could easily walk from oxford circus
22:58.21aguaithefreakclive-h: thx
22:58.34aguaithefreaksee you then........
22:58.41clive-haye
22:59.50clive-hno idea
23:00.08clive-hNot been to a gllug meet in years#
23:01.46aguaithefreakhowever it seems to be fun.....
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23:49.12clive-hHmmm
23:54.34z00daxhummm
23:54.54clive-hindeedd
23:56.34clive-hI think I know where the venue for tomorrow is noqw
23:58.36z00daxexcellent
23:58.42z00daxyou mean later today ofcourse
23:58.56clive-hindeed
23:59.21clive-hvia the KFC probably on TCR

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