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| 07:55.34 | murb | moin |
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| 10:07.32 | Leeds | nearly time for yet another of my patented maybe-dates |
| 10:10.06 | Leeds | except not quite so nearly, because she was calling to postpone by half an hour as I was typing that... |
| 10:14.46 | Leeds | and in less happy news, Marcel Marceau died |
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| 10:50.19 | z00dax | whats a decent slide making / slide delivery app on linux ? is Oo Impress the best there is ? |
| 10:58.04 | Leeds | I've been known to use magicpoint |
| 10:59.39 | Leeds | but yeah, I'd tend to use OO.o Impress nowadays |
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| 11:10.06 | Leeds | busy here today... |
| 11:10.11 | Leeds | how did it go yesterday? |
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| 13:15.02 | rhowe | z00dax: Google just launched a web presentation thingy, didn't they? |
| 13:15.08 | rhowe | z00dax: Might be worth a look |
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| 13:18.28 | niv_one_three | hi all |
| 13:19.16 | niv_one_three | in case I want to use a script to use a second ethernet card, when the prime is OO - how should I ping? |
| 13:19.19 | niv_one_three | google? |
| 13:19.38 | niv_one_three | actually download some file? |
| 13:21.18 | antiphase | What do you mean, in English? ;) |
| 13:30.23 | z00dax | rhowe: yes, good idea |
| 13:35.52 | z00dax | rhowe: looks like it targets a differnet domain completely |
| 13:39.57 | niv_one_three | hi anti |
| 13:40.19 | niv_one_three | I want to ping a wan address from eth0 |
| 13:41.01 | niv_one_three | if I get a response - all is well. if not change the default route to wlan0 and test ping to wan from there |
| 13:41.09 | niv_one_three | makes any sense now? |
| 13:45.21 | antiphase | Yes, but no. |
| 13:45.33 | antiphase | Why would you ever want to do something crazy like that? :) |
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| 13:58.47 | niv_one_three | ok, the two nic casses the wan |
| 13:58.56 | niv_one_three | one one is active at any time |
| 13:59.10 | niv_one_three | if one fials - the other will be used |
| 13:59.17 | niv_one_three | questions? |
| 14:02.14 | antiphase | Well, people that needed redundant connectivity spent some time devising clever routing protocols to deal with this situation |
| 14:02.39 | rhowe | others just used ifscheme or networkmanager, I think |
| 14:02.53 | niv_one_three | what is the simplest way ? script? |
| 14:03.19 | niv_one_three | * niv googling ifscheme |
| 14:03.54 | rhowe | ifscheme might be a Debianism |
| 14:04.07 | niv_one_three | ouch - its debian! |
| 14:05.12 | niv_one_three | networkmanager is gentoo freindly... |
| 14:46.18 | niv_one_three | ok, in order to read about this I need a name. |
| 14:46.45 | niv_one_three | how do you call it when the server uses two nic each at a time to connect to the WAN? |
| 14:46.55 | Leeds | bonding or multipath |
| 14:47.05 | niv_one_three | leeds ! |
| 14:47.08 | niv_one_three | hi mate |
| 14:47.17 | niv_one_three | shetikatev |
| 14:47.24 | niv_one_three | and be signed |
| 14:47.33 | niv_one_three | oh well, too late I guess |
| 14:47.39 | niv_one_three | happy new year then |
| 14:47.48 | Leeds | thanks anyway :-) |
| 14:49.07 | niv_one_three | em.. ho good hits at gogle |
| 14:49.43 | niv_one_three | any idea what is the simple way? for a newbie to multipath? |
| 14:50.37 | Leeds | it's not simple |
| 14:50.58 | Leeds | oh, wait - you're talking about failover, not bonding or multipath |
| 14:53.24 | gw280 | I think I love git |
| 15:06.51 | boudiccas | gw280; strange taste you have, loving a git! |
| 15:06.57 | gw280 | ... |
| 15:07.02 | gw280 | note the lack of an article. |
| 15:07.32 | niv_one_three | yes leeds I am talking about failover |
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| 16:39.29 | goibhniu | rhowe: aren't you moving house next weekend too? I'm wondering if you might like to go halves on renting a van? |
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| 16:53.54 | rhowe | goibhniu: Hmm |
| 16:54.26 | rhowe | goibhniu: Potentially. We're looking to move all our stuff on Saturday, in the morning |
| 16:56.27 | goibhniu | you're in east london too aren't you? |
| 16:56.44 | goibhniu | I've just been looking around on gumtree etc |
| 16:57.00 | goibhniu | it looks like about £50 to hire a van + man for 2 hours |
| 16:57.10 | goibhniu | or about £50 a day to rent a van |
| 16:59.37 | goibhniu | keep it in mind anyway |
| 17:05.56 | rhowe | I'm near the bricklayer's arms |
| 17:05.58 | rhowe | SE1 4UP |
| 17:06.12 | rhowe | junction at the end of of tower bridge road / old kent road / new kent road |
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| 17:08.13 | goibhniu | hmm .. that's only about 3.5 miles away ... we're moving from e8 4ae up the road (less than 2 miles) to e5 8aj |
| 17:09.06 | goibhniu | we need to pick up a double bed from some people up the road too, I don't have their address yet |
| 17:09.52 | goibhniu | I'm sure we could move everything in one load |
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| 21:00.57 | clive-h | sorry I couldn't make the meet yesterday |
| 21:02.16 | z00dax | ah never mind, next time then |
| 21:02.39 | clive-h | home shopping delivery was 2 hours late |
| 21:02.57 | z00dax | bah |
| 21:03.02 | z00dax | i hate delivery people |
| 21:03.24 | clive-h | I was sitting waiting for 3 hours |
| 21:03.44 | clive-h | If they'd been on time I could have come along |
| 21:04.00 | clive-h | Good meet? |
| 21:04.34 | z00dax | it was, while i was still there - had to leave just as the lightning talks were starting off |
| 21:04.49 | clive-h | ahhh |
| 21:05.57 | clive-h | It was too late to head for town when tesco finally arrived |
| 21:22.15 | murb | do tesco still give compensation for late deliveries? |
| 21:23.02 | hali | the fuckers in acado charge for peak time delivery these days |
| 21:26.15 | clive-h | No |
| 21:26.34 | clive-h | I was a tad annoyed |
| 21:26.48 | clive-h | i find ocado has a problem |
| 21:27.10 | clive-h | all the detailed descriptions say to be completed |
| 21:27.36 | clive-h | and I'm diabetic and allergic to some things |
| 21:27.58 | clive-h | So I need to know what's in what I'm buying |
| 21:27.58 | hali | that sucks, they should fix that... |
| 21:28.24 | hali | they are quite good at stuff like that in the stores, they have quite a lot of gluten free stuff |
| 21:28.31 | clive-h | yes |
| 21:28.51 | clive-h | waitrose and ocado are very expensive though |
| 21:29.01 | hali | some things are yes |
| 21:29.24 | clive-h | Like M&S they do nice food |
| 21:29.54 | hali | i like m&s, but the problem with them is that you always have to go another store as well |
| 21:30.05 | hali | since they insist on their own brand for everything |
| 21:30.23 | clive-h | I had tesco crispy duck and pancakes for lunch today |
| 21:30.35 | clive-h | That cost 2.99 |
| 21:30.41 | hali | not ad |
| 21:30.42 | hali | bad* |
| 21:30.49 | clive-h | from waitrose it'd be 4 quid |
| 21:32.27 | clive-h | Even worse it'd be 6.50 from the chinese takeway at the end of the road |
| 21:32.49 | hali | but the 6.50 takeaway is way tastier :) |
| 21:32.49 | clive-h | Though their's is much nicer |
| 21:33.04 | clive-h | Tis |
| 21:33.14 | clive-h | But I'm unemployed |
| 21:33.20 | clive-h | so needs must |
| 21:33.27 | hali | how's the job hunting going? |
| 21:34.06 | clive-h | I'm waiting on the outcome of the interview I did Wed |
| 21:34.18 | clive-h | second interview, first was phone |
| 21:34.31 | clive-h | 5 candidates, 2 jobs |
| 21:34.49 | clive-h | It might happen |
| 21:34.54 | z00dax | if you know who the other 4 are - maybe pay them a visit ? |
| 21:35.03 | z00dax | or have someone else do that for you, just so there is no direct connection with you |
| 21:35.06 | hali | send them a dead squirrel or something :) |
| 21:35.13 | clive-h | I'm hitting the age ceiling |
| 21:35.22 | clive-h | I'm 51 |
| 21:36.34 | clive-h | personally I couldn't care less if my boss is younger than me |
| 21:38.11 | clive-h | If nothing changes this week I'll dumb my CV down and look for clerical work |
| 21:38.58 | hali | must be crap IT jobs around though? |
| 21:39.18 | clive-h | I'm sure there are |
| 21:39.23 | hali | weird shift support jobs? sucks but better than doing non-IT stuff |
| 21:39.44 | clive-h | But if I'm gonna earn 18K I might as well do something brainless |
| 21:41.08 | clive-h | last time I was offered IT shift work it was as an operator |
| 21:41.26 | clive-h | Cos they saw gandlake ICL VME stuff on CV |
| 21:42.04 | clive-h | I was a bloody sysadmin patching code doing that and writing SCL (ICL script stuff) |
| 21:42.35 | clive-h | I've worked in an office pushing paper |
| 21:42.57 | clive-h | before I got an IT job |
| 21:43.57 | clive-h | maybe I'd take something at 25K# |
| 21:45.12 | clive-h | I work in IT cos it interests me but a crap job might not |
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| 21:50.54 | clive-h | Sorry for the rant |
| 21:51.36 | hali | no problem, i was afk applying face scrub |
| 21:51.47 | murb | it'll be up in google for prospective employers to find in no time! |
| 21:52.04 | clive-h | fine |
| 21:52.23 | z00dax | dunno |
| 21:52.23 | hali | freenode is |
| 21:52.27 | clive-h | is it? |
| 21:52.30 | clive-h | errk |
| 21:52.44 | z00dax | ibot: does the magic |
| 21:53.21 | clive-h | Lovely |
| 21:54.32 | clive-h | I saw the traffic was logged |
| 21:54.47 | clive-h | I had no idea it was published on the web |
| 21:55.23 | hali | shit, i have over 800megs of irssi logs :) |
| 21:55.53 | hali | a lot is #centos though |
| 21:56.24 | hali | postgres is bigger actually.. over 150megs on it's own |
| 21:56.45 | murb | i have ibot on ignore i just wish it was mutual. |
| 21:57.07 | clive-h | I think I might choose to login from somewhere else then in future |
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| 22:02.46 | BatChainPuller | I suspect I can live with this |
| 22:02.54 | z00dax | [kbsingh@base irclogs]$ du -sh |
| 22:02.54 | z00dax | 212M . |
| 22:03.07 | z00dax | not nearly as much as hali |
| 22:03.15 | z00dax | hali: btw, opinion on enterprisedb ? |
| 22:03.22 | hali | z00dax: good, not great |
| 22:03.32 | hali | z00dax: the whole "transparent oracle migration" is bollocks |
| 22:03.35 | z00dax | compared with ? |
| 22:03.41 | hali | oracle :) |
| 22:03.55 | murb | http://ibot.rikers.org/%23gllug/ # fwiw |
| 22:04.15 | hali | value for money is pretty good though, if you can live with some code changes if you are migrating from oracle |
| 22:04.20 | BatChainPuller | Enterprisedb being the commercial postgres thing? |
| 22:04.46 | hali | yes |
| 22:05.00 | BatChainPuller | maxdb is derived from sapdb |
| 22:05.08 | hali | pgsql with a few addons |
| 22:05.28 | BatChainPuller | which used to claim Oracle compatibility# |
| 22:05.41 | BatChainPuller | sapdb was Adabas D before that |
| 22:06.30 | hali | the coolest pgsql project is greenplum imo |
| 22:06.48 | hali | pretty cool dw appliance |
| 22:06.49 | z00dax | hali: also the most redundant |
| 22:06.52 | BatChainPuller | I'd much rather run Oracle |
| 22:07.08 | z00dax | gridsql / extnedb will do pretty much everything that greenplum does, for free |
| 22:07.22 | z00dax | well, upto 16 nodes |
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| 22:07.28 | z00dax | i dont think xdb goes beyond that |
| 22:07.59 | hali | should be enough, thats still 384gb raw :) |
| 22:08.05 | hali | if one uses plain sun thumpers |
| 22:08.13 | z00dax | gb ? |
| 22:08.28 | hali | tb* |
| 22:08.28 | z00dax | humm are you guys using thumpers ? those are quite nice |
| 22:08.36 | hali | we have one thumper |
| 22:08.49 | z00dax | where do you backup that to ? |
| 22:08.51 | BatChainPuller | AIO tablespaces? |
| 22:10.40 | BatChainPuller | i'd be inclined to mirror the db, break the mirror, do a quick copy to a NAS,resiliver tge mirror |
| 22:10.45 | BatChainPuller | resilver |
| 22:10.54 | BatChainPuller | and backup to tape |
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| 22:19.05 | BatChainPuller | Oh 384Tb? |
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| 22:49.47 | z00dax | did the gllug-fest meeting / talk take place then |
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| 23:26.14 | Leeds | z00dax: I assume so... |
| 23:29.32 | Leeds | oh, the fest |
| 23:29.37 | BatChainPuller | Shame Expo got cancelled |
| 23:30.21 | z00dax | well, i still think it would be good for london and for linux and open source here to have a more community based fest |
| 23:30.38 | z00dax | linuxworld was getting too much biz-only - and big-names only |
| 23:31.25 | BatChainPuller | true |
| 23:32.54 | Leeds | I'm not sure that the answer isn't to throw the combined GLLUG/Lonix/LUUG weight behind LRL |
| 23:33.23 | BatChainPuller | LRL? |
| 23:33.49 | z00dax | Leeds: yup - that would work, but the thing is someone is going to need to get everyone together and talk about it |
| 23:34.02 | z00dax | i dont know enough people from lonix, but might go along to the next meet |