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08:18.31 | benoyst | morning ! |
08:23.55 | blight | benoyst: mornin |
08:27.37 | Blapto | Morning |
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08:32.01 | polyunix | morning |
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09:57.51 | antiphase | I'm not fucking American, give me more languages kthxbai |
09:58.54 | wethrin | You want a British English variant? |
09:59.18 | wethrin | "Terribly sorry, old chap, but your kernel's thrown an oopsie. Have a cup of tea, and reboot me" |
10:00.15 | morsing | catalyst! |
10:00.24 | antiphase | I'm vainly trying to have a locale which isn't en_US |
10:00.31 | Blapto | de? |
10:00.33 | Blapto | fr? |
10:00.40 | antiphase | I'd rather like GB |
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10:00.45 | antiphase | without hacking things |
10:00.57 | morsing | Blapto O brother of slayerXP! |
10:01.09 | Blapto | No, no, no, no, no. |
10:01.15 | goibhniu | morsing! |
10:01.16 | wethrin | en_GB |
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10:02.28 | antiphase | en_GB.UTF8 really. Stupid free software usability issues |
10:03.17 | morsing | wethrin: Where you actually speaking to anyone? |
10:03.20 | morsing | polyunix: |
10:03.21 | morsing | ! |
10:03.24 | catalyst | morsing! |
10:03.31 | polyunix | morsing>: !!! |
10:03.33 | morsing | :) |
10:03.42 | polyunix | morning all |
10:04.20 | goibhniu | hi polyunix! ... did you get your screen? |
10:04.48 | polyunix | goibhniu>: hi! 15 hours left |
10:05.10 | Blapto | New screen in deb unstable today. |
10:05.18 | polyunix | goibhniu>: did you move your place? |
10:05.33 | goibhniu | tomorrow :D |
10:05.54 | polyunix | tomorrow! |
10:06.12 | wethrin | morsing: What? |
10:06.33 | wethrin | yes - look at the lines about locale |
10:06.43 | sabinef72 | hi there |
10:07.00 | Blapto | Mornin' |
10:08.15 | polyunix | goibhniu>: i keep listening inkorrekt radio. it's a jem! |
10:08.15 | antiphase | I found the relevant config file. Should have known better than expecting the GUI to be remotely useful |
10:08.24 | goibhniu | polyunix: good idea ... I haven't listened in ages |
10:10.00 | wethrin | GUIs suck |
10:10.08 | polyunix | goibhniu>: i installed sabayon. looks nice, but feels broken here and there. |
10:10.16 | goibhniu | polyunix: it's a pity that iogrind thing isn't released yet ... I was trying to find it yesterday |
10:10.49 | goibhniu | it's written in mono afaik |
10:11.26 | polyunix | goibhniu>: i told a friend of mine about what i saw, he couldn't believe. |
10:12.15 | polyunix | goibhniu>: btw i have no sound with sabayon, the issue i told you about. |
10:12.31 | goibhniu | !! |
10:13.06 | goibhniu | so you think it's probably a problem with recent kernels then ... that's not good |
10:13.20 | polyunix | but i have full compiz-fusion thing up |
10:14.11 | Blapto | What's Sabayon then? |
10:14.30 | polyunix | goibhniu>: yes. it might be new alsa modules inside of new kernels |
10:16.00 | polyunix | Blapto>: i have crappy ati x200m card, couldn't make compiz running on it. sabayon the only distro that made it. |
10:16.09 | goibhniu | Blapto: an italian desert and a gentoo based distro |
10:17.26 | Blapto | I've never bothered trying to get compiz working... |
10:17.31 | Blapto | Might be worth a shot one day. |
10:18.09 | goibhniu | it's pretty painless if you've got an nvidia card |
10:18.14 | polyunix | goibhniu>: yeah, but 1 thing confused me about their logo. it looks like chicken footprint sort of gnome footprint in gnome, but kde is default manager, not gnome! |
10:18.28 | Blapto | I've no idea what this machine has in it. |
10:18.36 | Blapto | some sort of Intel integrated chipset I'd imagine |
10:18.43 | goibhniu | ah .. prolly even easier |
10:19.18 | goibhniu | a lot of distros let you just turn it on through the config menu these days |
10:19.20 | Blapto | I'd have to get my meta key working |
10:20.13 | polyunix | Blapto>: i installed compiz just to spook some windowz iDiots, it will be removed soon. cli riles but not gui! |
10:20.35 | polyunix | rules=riles |
10:21.30 | Blapto | gui riles... |
10:21.47 | Blapto | hmm |
10:21.49 | Blapto | compiz replace... |
10:21.55 | Blapto | And now I don't have any titles on my windows any more |
10:23.43 | goibhniu | you need to run emerald or something similar |
10:23.57 | goibhniu | for the window decor |
10:24.27 | goibhniu | you may want to use a startup script instead |
10:24.50 | goibhniu | (metacity --replace to get back) |
10:25.12 | Blapto | r if anything |
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10:26.32 | Blapto | I'm in KDE |
10:26.44 | Blapto | And I can't type text in KDE now that I've lost my window decorations |
10:29.04 | Blapto | I can't see how I can tell kde-window-decorator which X server to connect to. |
10:29.05 | Blapto | Bah. |
10:29.17 | goibhniu | you could try to use: |
10:29.24 | goibhniu | git clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/fusion/misc/compiz-manager |
10:32.18 | goibhniu | kwin --replace |
10:32.35 | goibhniu | does that get you back to normal kde? |
10:33.59 | goibhniu | ah ... the easy way seems to be to install and run "fusion-icon" |
10:34.51 | Blapto | I don't seem to be able to run commands that affect X |
10:35.32 | goibhniu | have you not got kde back to normal? |
10:35.33 | Blapto | kwin cannot connect to x server when run from the cli |
10:35.47 | Blapto | I don't want to ctrl-alt-backspace it out of pride... |
10:36.08 | Blapto | And I can't see how I tell kwin to connect to 0 |
10:36.13 | goibhniu | can you start xclock or anything? |
10:36.31 | goibhniu | are you trying it through sudo? |
10:37.19 | goibhniu | you should be able to do it as a normal user |
10:39.00 | Blapto | There we go |
10:39.10 | Blapto | sudo kwin --replace --display :0 |
10:39.30 | goibhniu | weird ... what distro? |
10:39.39 | Blapto | Debian |
10:40.40 | Blapto | Right, let's see where I'm meant to get emerald from |
10:40.42 | goibhniu | so, if you've got compiz-fusion installed, it sounds like fusion-icon is the handy way to start and configure it |
10:43.58 | goibhniu | polyunix: thanks for reminding me about radioinkorrekt :D |
10:45.04 | polyunix | goibhniu>: i know about this radio thanks to. :) very nice tune! |
10:45.24 | polyunix | goibhniu>: thanks to you |
10:46.02 | Blapto | debian appears to provide kde-window-manager |
10:46.05 | Blapto | specifically for compiz |
10:46.10 | goibhniu | they went on holiday for a while and the rotation got a bit boring ... seems to be lots of new stuff now |
10:46.37 | polyunix | do you know them? |
10:47.04 | goibhniu | Blapto: sounds cool ... watch out you don't mix up old compiz stuff with beryl or compiz-fusion ... they're all different animals |
10:47.17 | goibhniu | polyunix: never heard this one before |
10:49.17 | goibhniu | polyunix: http://www.jamendo.com/fr/artist/thedots/ I think |
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10:51.29 | Blapto | Ah, balls to it |
10:51.47 | polyunix | goibhniu>: nice page. |
10:52.47 | polyunix | goibhniu>: i like french music too. |
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10:57.54 | wethrin | It's AnneC! |
10:58.06 | AnneC | indeed |
10:58.16 | Blapto | Cleves? |
10:58.44 | AnneC | and for once colloquy didn't crash 3 times before working fine |
11:08.53 | morsing | AnneC! |
11:09.01 | AnneC | morsing! |
11:09.27 | morsing | :) |
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11:41.47 | wethrin | irssi FTW |
11:44.20 | morsing | wethrin: You eaten magic mushrooms or something? |
11:44.25 | morsing | geospart! |
11:44.29 | wethrin | morsing: Err? |
11:44.45 | morsing | I had a dream about eye69 last night btw |
11:44.50 | wethrin | aye? |
11:44.59 | wethrin | ~seen eye69 |
11:45.00 | ibot | eye69 is currently on #debian (1d 10h 57m 51s) #gllug (1d 10h 57m 51s), last said: 'Atleast it's a job'. |
11:45.06 | morsing | wethrin: You're talking to yourself... |
11:45.16 | wethrin | Am I? |
11:45.22 | morsing | Yes |
11:45.59 | wethrin | oh |
12:06.33 | gregj | wethrin: ziew |
12:06.45 | gregj | anyone for a pint today later on the day ? |
12:06.56 | gregj | my last day at my job, in london |
12:12.27 | goibhniu | morsing: what happened? |
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12:23.10 | blight | what a day ... don't you just hate year end ... |
12:30.19 | rhowe | blight: haha yeah |
12:30.34 | rhowe | blight: Especially when we have.. oh... 5 hours to get the new accounts system from 0 to hero and go live :P |
12:30.58 | rhowe | blight: ~100 users, spread across the globe, and a bunch of halfwit overworked megastressed people in the accounts dept |
12:31.05 | rhowe | recipie for a relaxing day |
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12:45.44 | blight | rhowe: damn I could have sworn that you just describe the last few weeksn of my life there ... |
12:46.29 | blight | rhowe: always best to go live with a new system and have heaviest usage, most crticial period of the year happen right afterwards |
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13:17.50 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: |
13:18.02 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; |
13:18.20 | dick_turpin | http://images.centrosales.co.uk/General/kick/geek.htm |
13:18.48 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Thats for you by the way |
13:19.31 | boudiccas | its good, i'll pass it on to my cuban friend |
13:19.50 | boudiccas | done |
13:21.19 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I've just found out after spending all morning making my own, that mine is a copy of a copy |
13:29.43 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; its still good and worth it |
13:34.20 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I know I am |
13:37.10 | boudiccas | i'm currently trying to work out how to use bogofilter instead of SA for my emails |
13:39.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You scared everyone off then? |
13:40.00 | boudiccas | everyone off where? |
13:40.32 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Its like the Marie Celeste |
13:40.45 | boudiccas | maybe they've looked at your cartoon and are now feeling guilty? |
13:41.00 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: rotflmao |
13:41.24 | boudiccas | it'll liven up later, its just the beginning of friday afternoon and people are beginning to wind down for the weekend |
13:41.49 | dick_turpin | bouI'm going early, gonna finish at 4.30 |
13:41.51 | boudiccas | plus its P.O.E.T.S. day |
13:42.05 | boudiccas | i rest my case! :) |
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13:44.10 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I've gotta go early, I need to get some nude photo's of myself done ;-) |
13:45.18 | boudiccas | lol |
13:45.47 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I'm sick of all you women having all the fun :-P |
13:46.01 | boudiccas | lol |
13:47.00 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Want todays unbeleivable customer request? |
13:48.14 | boudiccas | please |
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13:48.46 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: To set the scene we are an internet/email provider |
13:48.53 | boudiccas | yes |
13:49.18 | boudiccas | btw dick_turpin do you use spamassassin or bogofilter? |
13:49.34 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Customer: Can you ring our MD in Canada he cant seem to send or recieve email |
13:49.36 | Blapto | Hmm, fluxbox |
13:49.41 | boudiccas | or any combination of the two |
13:49.58 | boudiccas | yes ..... |
13:50.53 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I think it spamassasin, I know the servers are Debian |
13:51.04 | boudiccas | ah, ty |
13:51.22 | boudiccas | but, you were saying before i interrupted you |
13:52.52 | boudiccas | ringing the canadian MD |
13:54.11 | Blapto | I can't get things to enter my slit. |
13:54.28 | boudiccas | Blapto; slit? |
13:54.37 | Blapto | ;) In fluxbox |
13:54.53 | boudiccas | ah, never used fluxbox so can't help |
13:56.52 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I don't think I can repeat what I said here. Best part is their mail is hosted with someone else! |
13:59.49 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; they've got some cheek then! expecting youi to ring Canada when you're not even their supplier! |
14:05.19 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Thats why I said P O |
14:05.19 | boudiccas | ROFL |
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15:19.40 | niv_one_three | hi all |
15:20.12 | niv_one_three | got an odd one: perents need a gui program to open and use zip files |
15:20.26 | niv_one_three | Xarchiver seems to hate Hbrew named files |
15:20.30 | niv_one_three | Hebrew |
15:20.50 | niv_one_three | any other programs that lets me see the inside of a zip? |
15:21.24 | boudiccas | ark? |
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16:06.23 | mikejw | how is everyone today? |
16:06.39 | Blapto | I'm all fluxboxed |
16:06.41 | Blapto | so happy |
16:06.56 | mikejw | is fluxbox doing it for you today? :) |
16:07.05 | Blapto | Really is. |
16:07.06 | boudiccas | Blapto; did you get your 'slit' working? |
16:07.15 | Blapto | I've still not got anything in my slit. |
16:07.17 | boudiccas | whatever that is |
16:07.21 | Blapto | I wasn't really understanding how to use it. |
16:07.33 | Blapto | It's a dock thing for applets, like xmms |
16:07.41 | Blapto | I thought it was more of a taskbar. |
16:07.45 | boudiccas | system tray |
16:07.52 | Blapto | Yes, like a system tray. |
16:07.57 | Blapto | but no, I haven't put anything in my slit. |
16:08.08 | Blapto | Truth be told, I just like talking about things in my slit. |
16:08.08 | boudiccas | ah, now i understand ... but still can't help |
16:08.24 | boudiccas | sounds vaguely indecent |
16:08.43 | mikejw | the question is.. do you maximise over your slit? |
16:08.55 | Blapto | mike, you filthy bugger. |
16:09.00 | mikejw | :P |
16:09.29 | Blapto | I can't work out how I used to use icewm in BSD on my old mac with 104MB RAM |
16:09.41 | Blapto | Even this basic system running nearly nothing is using nearly 180MB |
16:10.28 | Blapto | Xorg wants 30m, pidgin wants 25... |
16:10.30 | Blapto | Upsetting |
16:10.35 | mikejw | :0[ |
16:10.57 | mikejw | swap pidgen fir bitlbee |
16:11.27 | mikejw | as recommended to me by Leeds |
16:11.34 | Blapto | hmm |
16:11.37 | Blapto | Pidgin's easier to use |
16:11.59 | mikejw | hmm |
16:12.19 | mikejw | also it doesn't do file transfers afik |
16:12.30 | Blapto | exactly. |
16:12.36 | Blapto | Might be lighter, but less functional |
16:23.37 | mikejw | a double-edged sword :] |
16:24.21 | Blapto | I may have to ask for more RAMs |
16:24.28 | Blapto | 1GB isn't that much really. |
16:25.58 | mikejw | plenty for fluxbox |
16:26.02 | mikejw | what else is running? |
16:26.17 | Blapto | mmm, just a little upsetting once I start to use vmware console and such |
16:26.22 | wethrin | if he's running Firefox, 1GB isn't much :) |
16:26.28 | mikejw | :] |
16:26.29 | wethrin | bitlbee rocks |
16:26.56 | mikejw | hell yes |
16:27.02 | Blapto | iceweasel, but yet |
16:27.03 | Blapto | yes |
16:27.10 | Blapto | chews through TBs.. |
16:27.47 | wethrin | bah. silly hippy Debianised versions |
16:28.07 | Blapto | silly, secure, Debianised version ;) |
16:29.29 | wethrin | don't think it's really that much more secure |
16:29.40 | wethrin | not that I care, anyway |
16:29.41 | Blapto | Not in itself. |
16:29.54 | Blapto | but the idea is that debian developers can put patches in if they want to |
16:30.08 | wethrin | mmm.....forktastic |
16:30.19 | mikejw | lol |
16:30.27 | Blapto | Is the idea, yes. |
16:30.29 | Blapto | Could end badly |
16:30.41 | wethrin | more than likely |
16:31.00 | Blapto | Buuut, I don't really care. |
16:31.08 | Blapto | I run IE5 under wine anyway. |
16:31.18 | wethrin | so I don't have time to play those silly little kids games. I want to do useful work on my computer |
16:31.42 | mikejw | Blapto: please explain yourself |
16:31.54 | wethrin | Yes. IE5 sucks. IE7 is okay |
16:32.31 | Blapto | IE7 is OK |
16:32.35 | Blapto | But won't run under wine. |
16:32.41 | mikejw | :D |
16:32.46 | Blapto | Or at least, without spending hours setting it up, and even then it won't work right. |
16:32.56 | wethrin | DDTT :) |
16:33.04 | Blapto | IE5 gives me nice webmail with Exchange |
16:33.14 | wethrin | Don't use Exchange. HTH HAND |
16:33.23 | Blapto | HTH HAND? |
16:33.29 | Blapto | For that matter, DDTT? |
16:33.41 | wethrin | Hope This Helps Have A Nice Day |
16:33.46 | wethrin | Don't Do That Then |
16:34.03 | wethrin | ("Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this" "Well, don't do that then") |
16:34.14 | Blapto | Ah, right. |
16:34.27 | Blapto | No, I, errm, run firefox on my laptop |
16:34.31 | Blapto | Which runs XP |
16:34.45 | mikejw | and Outlook? |
16:34.53 | wethrin | XP smells of poo and wee |
16:35.16 | mikejw | gross |
16:35.40 | Blapto | It runs Outlook, but I like to only use the desktop sometimes |
16:35.42 | Blapto | So IE5 helps |
16:35.44 | Blapto | XP isn't so bad really. |
16:35.47 | Blapto | Not good, but not bad |
16:35.52 | wethrin | Other than the UI |
16:35.57 | wethrin | Teletubbilicious! |
16:36.23 | Blapto | You can make it look like NT |
16:36.32 | mikejw | best UI ever == BeOS |
16:36.52 | Blapto | AmigaOS! |
16:37.09 | wethrin | Blapto: Even to the sensible-sized start button? |
16:37.17 | wethrin | QNX is quite nice |
16:37.18 | Blapto | Yep. |
16:37.21 | mikejw | you mean that big hand with the disk before you put the game in? |
16:37.30 | Blapto | My start button is about 20px tall |
16:37.37 | wethrin | oh, that's vaguely sensible |
16:37.47 | wethrin | by default it takes up about a quarter of the screen |
16:37.54 | Blapto | Yes. |
16:37.58 | Blapto | Just make it classic |
16:38.00 | Blapto | looks OK |
16:38.06 | wethrin | mm |
16:38.16 | Blapto | So yes, crap OS, but that's OK because all I do with it is VPN, Office and Firefox |
16:38.24 | Blapto | And I've got my desktop for linux |
16:38.53 | mikejw | I have cygwin, firefox, and outlook (primary tools) |
16:39.04 | mikejw | but I still can't create soft links |
16:39.24 | Blapto | yes, true |
16:39.30 | Blapto | I've never really felt the urge to though |
16:39.50 | Blapto | Hmm, IE5 is taking 57M RES in my linux box |
16:39.59 | Blapto | and 2713M VIRT |
16:41.43 | wethrin | you got her number? :) |
16:41.44 | Blapto | If you don't, can I have her number? |
16:42.03 | mikejw | lol |
16:42.27 | mikejw | yes and no |
16:42.39 | Blapto | in what order? |
16:42.57 | mikejw | I mean yes I have it no you can't have it :P |
16:43.29 | mikejw | unless I get shot down in flames of glory of course |
16:44.43 | Blapto | Hmm |
16:44.52 | Blapto | For my next trick, I might run OpenSolaris on my desktop |
16:44.58 | Blapto | Just to piss everybody off, including myself |
16:45.35 | mikejw | lol |
16:45.54 | Blapto | It might snub Bruce and his holier than thou FreeBSD desktop |
16:47.50 | mikejw | you don't know til you try |
16:49.10 | Blapto | I think I do |
16:49.20 | Blapto | At least I haven't got the mickey mouse KDE interface now. |
16:49.29 | Blapto | It looks like I'm doing real work, even though I'm in IRC |
16:49.35 | mikejw | pefect |
16:49.47 | Blapto | Now I just need a real monitor, a 20" would do |
16:49.49 | mikejw | s/pfect/perfect |
16:50.02 | Blapto | This 19" 1280*1024 is painful. |
16:50.41 | wethrin | too small? |
16:50.47 | wethrin | An LCD 20" is unlikely to do more |
16:50.53 | wethrin | unless you pay lots for a 1600x1200 |
17:00.53 | mikejw | rather ridiculous uses of.. it seems |
17:05.34 | Blapto | 20" are almost all 1600x1200 now. |
17:06.21 | Blapto | And not terribly expensive either |
17:06.33 | mikejw | this is all good news |
17:07.32 | mikejw | ...and tempts me to waste money in order to play whizzy games |
17:08.16 | mikejw | I should probably get a new bike :) |
17:08.22 | mikejw | if anything |
17:09.33 | Blapto | 1680x1050 is actually very cheap now |
17:09.39 | Blapto | And you don't lose too much real estate |
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18:25.43 | wethrin | mad fellow |
18:26.32 | Leeds | I did just wake up from a 'nap' - and it's a 3-day weekend here |
18:26.41 | wethrin | oh, well |
19:25.31 | wethrin | hi gw280 |
19:26.00 | gw280 | hi |
19:26.36 | gw280 | why? |
19:27.00 | wethrin | why not? |
19:27.04 | gw280 | pleb |
19:28.12 | wethrin | bah |
19:28.32 | gw280 | the question is, do I go to FOSDEM |
19:28.35 | wethrin | Yes |
19:32.00 | rhowe | Yes |
19:32.26 | wethrin | rhowe! |
19:32.30 | wethrin | Get thee to FOSDEM |
19:32.35 | wethrin | It's better than a nunnery |
20:29.59 | andrew___ | wethrin: not sure I undersatnd relationshib between FOSDEM and nunnery |
20:34.45 | wethrin | "Get thee to a nunnery" |
21:39.41 | wethrin | hello gw280 |
21:40.27 | gw280 | hi |
21:41.24 | wethrin | I still have beer |
21:42.07 | Discordian | I've one can left |
22:47.12 | Leeds | morning all |