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08:18.31benoystmorning !
08:23.55blightbenoyst: mornin
08:27.37BlaptoMorning
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08:32.01polyunixmorning
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09:57.51antiphaseI'm not fucking American, give me more languages kthxbai
09:58.54wethrinYou want a British English variant?
09:59.18wethrin"Terribly sorry, old chap, but your kernel's thrown an oopsie. Have a cup of tea, and reboot me"
10:00.15morsingcatalyst!
10:00.24antiphaseI'm vainly trying to have a locale which isn't en_US
10:00.31Blaptode?
10:00.33Blaptofr?
10:00.40antiphaseI'd rather like GB
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10:00.45antiphasewithout hacking things
10:00.57morsingBlapto O brother of slayerXP!
10:01.09BlaptoNo, no, no, no, no.
10:01.15goibhniumorsing!
10:01.16wethrinen_GB
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10:02.28antiphaseen_GB.UTF8 really. Stupid free software usability issues
10:03.17morsingwethrin: Where you actually speaking to anyone?
10:03.20morsingpolyunix:
10:03.21morsing!
10:03.24catalystmorsing!
10:03.31polyunixmorsing>: !!!
10:03.33morsing:)
10:03.42polyunixmorning all
10:04.20goibhniuhi polyunix! ... did you get your screen?
10:04.48polyunixgoibhniu>: hi! 15 hours left
10:05.10BlaptoNew screen in deb unstable today.
10:05.18polyunixgoibhniu>: did you move your place?
10:05.33goibhniutomorrow :D
10:05.54polyunixtomorrow!
10:06.12wethrinmorsing: What?
10:06.33wethrinyes - look at the lines about locale
10:06.43sabinef72hi there
10:07.00BlaptoMornin'
10:08.15polyunixgoibhniu>: i keep listening inkorrekt radio. it's a jem!
10:08.15antiphaseI found the relevant config file. Should have known better than expecting the GUI to be remotely useful
10:08.24goibhniupolyunix: good idea ... I haven't listened in ages
10:10.00wethrinGUIs suck
10:10.08polyunixgoibhniu>: i installed sabayon. looks nice, but feels broken here and there.
10:10.16goibhniupolyunix: it's a pity that iogrind thing isn't released yet ... I was trying to find it yesterday
10:10.49goibhniuit's written in mono afaik
10:11.26polyunixgoibhniu>: i told a friend of mine about what i saw, he couldn't believe.
10:12.15polyunixgoibhniu>: btw i have no sound with sabayon, the issue i told you about.
10:12.31goibhniu!!
10:13.06goibhniuso you think it's probably a problem with recent kernels then ... that's not good
10:13.20polyunixbut i have full compiz-fusion thing up
10:14.11BlaptoWhat's Sabayon then?
10:14.30polyunixgoibhniu>: yes. it might be new alsa modules inside of new kernels
10:16.00polyunixBlapto>: i have crappy ati x200m card, couldn't make compiz running on it. sabayon the only distro that made it.
10:16.09goibhniuBlapto: an italian desert and a gentoo based distro
10:17.26BlaptoI've never bothered trying to get compiz working...
10:17.31BlaptoMight be worth a shot one day.
10:18.09goibhniuit's pretty painless if you've got an nvidia card
10:18.14polyunixgoibhniu>: yeah, but 1 thing confused me about their logo. it looks like chicken footprint sort of gnome footprint in gnome, but kde is default manager, not gnome!
10:18.28BlaptoI've no idea what this machine has in it.
10:18.36Blaptosome sort of Intel integrated chipset I'd imagine
10:18.43goibhniuah .. prolly even easier
10:19.18goibhniua lot of distros let you just turn it on through the config menu these days
10:19.20BlaptoI'd have to get my meta key working
10:20.13polyunixBlapto>: i installed compiz just to spook some windowz iDiots, it will be removed soon. cli riles but not gui!
10:20.35polyunixrules=riles
10:21.30Blaptogui riles...
10:21.47Blaptohmm
10:21.49Blaptocompiz replace...
10:21.55BlaptoAnd now I don't have any titles on my windows any more
10:23.43goibhniuyou need to run emerald or something similar
10:23.57goibhniufor the window decor
10:24.27goibhniuyou may want to use a startup script instead
10:24.50goibhniu(metacity --replace to get back)
10:25.12Blaptor if anything
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10:26.32BlaptoI'm in KDE
10:26.44BlaptoAnd I can't type text in KDE now that I've lost my window decorations
10:29.04BlaptoI can't see how I can tell kde-window-decorator which X server to connect to.
10:29.05BlaptoBah.
10:29.17goibhniuyou could try to use:
10:29.24goibhniugit clone git://anongit.compiz-fusion.org/fusion/misc/compiz-manager
10:32.18goibhniukwin --replace
10:32.35goibhniudoes that get you back to normal kde?
10:33.59goibhniuah ... the easy way seems to be to install and run "fusion-icon"
10:34.51BlaptoI don't seem to be able to run commands that affect X
10:35.32goibhniuhave you not got kde back to normal?
10:35.33Blaptokwin cannot connect to x server when run from the cli
10:35.47BlaptoI don't want to ctrl-alt-backspace it out of pride...
10:36.08BlaptoAnd I can't see how I tell kwin to connect to 0
10:36.13goibhniucan you start xclock or anything?
10:36.31goibhniuare you trying it through sudo?
10:37.19goibhniuyou should be able to do it as a normal user
10:39.00BlaptoThere we go
10:39.10Blaptosudo kwin --replace --display :0
10:39.30goibhniuweird ... what distro?
10:39.39BlaptoDebian
10:40.40BlaptoRight, let's see where I'm meant to get emerald from
10:40.42goibhniuso, if you've got compiz-fusion installed, it sounds like fusion-icon is the handy way to start and configure it
10:43.58goibhniupolyunix: thanks for reminding me about radioinkorrekt :D
10:45.04polyunixgoibhniu>: i know about this radio thanks to. :) very nice tune!
10:45.24polyunixgoibhniu>: thanks to you
10:46.02Blaptodebian appears to provide kde-window-manager
10:46.05Blaptospecifically for compiz
10:46.10goibhniuthey went on holiday for a while and the rotation got a bit boring ... seems to be lots of new stuff now
10:46.37polyunixdo you know them?
10:47.04goibhniuBlapto: sounds cool ... watch out you don't mix up old compiz stuff with beryl or compiz-fusion ... they're all different animals
10:47.17goibhniupolyunix: never heard this one before
10:49.17goibhniupolyunix: http://www.jamendo.com/fr/artist/thedots/ I think
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10:51.29BlaptoAh, balls to it
10:51.47polyunixgoibhniu>: nice page.
10:52.47polyunixgoibhniu>: i like french music too.
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10:57.54wethrinIt's AnneC!
10:58.06AnneCindeed
10:58.16BlaptoCleves?
10:58.44AnneCand for once colloquy didn't crash 3 times before working fine
11:08.53morsingAnneC!
11:09.01AnneCmorsing!
11:09.27morsing:)
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11:41.47wethrinirssi FTW
11:44.20morsingwethrin: You eaten magic mushrooms or something?
11:44.25morsinggeospart!
11:44.29wethrinmorsing: Err?
11:44.45morsingI had a dream about eye69 last night btw
11:44.50wethrinaye?
11:44.59wethrin~seen eye69
11:45.00iboteye69 is currently on #debian (1d 10h 57m 51s) #gllug (1d 10h 57m 51s), last said: 'Atleast it's a job'.
11:45.06morsingwethrin: You're talking to yourself...
11:45.16wethrinAm I?
11:45.22morsingYes
11:45.59wethrinoh
12:06.33gregjwethrin: ziew
12:06.45gregjanyone for a pint today later on the day ?
12:06.56gregjmy last day at my job, in london
12:12.27goibhniumorsing: what happened?
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12:23.10blightwhat a day ... don't you just hate year end ...
12:30.19rhoweblight: haha yeah
12:30.34rhoweblight: Especially when we have.. oh... 5 hours to get the new accounts system from 0 to hero and go live :P
12:30.58rhoweblight: ~100 users, spread across the globe, and a bunch of halfwit overworked megastressed people in the accounts dept
12:31.05rhowerecipie for a relaxing day
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12:45.44blightrhowe: damn I could have sworn that you just describe the last few weeksn of my life there ...
12:46.29blightrhowe: always best to go live with a new system and have heaviest usage, most crticial period of the year happen right afterwards
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13:17.50dick_turpinboudiccas:
13:18.02boudiccasdick_turpin;
13:18.20dick_turpinhttp://images.centrosales.co.uk/General/kick/geek.htm
13:18.48dick_turpinboudiccas: Thats for you by the way
13:19.31boudiccasits good, i'll pass it on to my cuban friend
13:19.50boudiccasdone
13:21.19dick_turpinboudiccas: I've just found out after spending all morning making my own, that mine is a copy of a copy
13:29.43boudiccasdick_turpin; its still good and worth it
13:34.20dick_turpinboudiccas: I know I am
13:37.10boudiccasi'm currently trying to work out how to use bogofilter instead of SA for my emails
13:39.40dick_turpinboudiccas: You scared everyone off then?
13:40.00boudiccaseveryone off where?
13:40.32dick_turpinboudiccas: Its like the Marie Celeste
13:40.45boudiccasmaybe they've looked at your cartoon and are now feeling guilty?
13:41.00dick_turpinboudiccas: rotflmao
13:41.24boudiccasit'll liven up later, its just the beginning of friday afternoon and people are beginning to wind down for the weekend
13:41.49dick_turpinbouI'm going early, gonna finish at 4.30
13:41.51boudiccasplus its P.O.E.T.S. day
13:42.05boudiccasi rest my case! :)
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13:44.10dick_turpinboudiccas: I've gotta go early, I need to get some nude photo's of myself done ;-)
13:45.18boudiccaslol
13:45.47dick_turpinboudiccas: I'm sick of all you women having all the fun :-P
13:46.01boudiccaslol
13:47.00dick_turpinboudiccas: Want todays unbeleivable customer request?
13:48.14boudiccasplease
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13:48.46dick_turpinboudiccas: To set the scene we are an internet/email provider
13:48.53boudiccasyes
13:49.18boudiccasbtw dick_turpin do you use spamassassin or bogofilter?
13:49.34dick_turpinboudiccas: Customer: Can you ring our MD in Canada he cant seem to send or recieve email
13:49.36BlaptoHmm, fluxbox
13:49.41boudiccasor any combination of the two
13:49.58boudiccasyes .....
13:50.53dick_turpinboudiccas: I think it spamassasin, I know the servers are Debian
13:51.04boudiccasah, ty
13:51.22boudiccasbut, you were saying before i interrupted you
13:52.52boudiccasringing the canadian MD
13:54.11BlaptoI can't get things to enter my slit.
13:54.28boudiccasBlapto; slit?
13:54.37Blapto;)  In fluxbox
13:54.53boudiccasah, never used fluxbox so can't help
13:56.52dick_turpinboudiccas: I don't think I can repeat what I said here. Best part is their mail is hosted with someone else!
13:59.49boudiccasdick_turpin; they've got some cheek then! expecting youi to ring Canada when you're not even their supplier!
14:05.19dick_turpinboudiccas: Thats why I said P O
14:05.19boudiccasROFL
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15:19.40niv_one_threehi all
15:20.12niv_one_threegot an odd one: perents need a gui program to open and use zip files
15:20.26niv_one_threeXarchiver seems to hate Hbrew named files
15:20.30niv_one_threeHebrew
15:20.50niv_one_threeany other programs that lets me see the inside of a zip?
15:21.24boudiccasark?
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16:06.23mikejwhow is everyone today?
16:06.39BlaptoI'm all fluxboxed
16:06.41Blaptoso happy
16:06.56mikejwis fluxbox doing it for you today? :)
16:07.05BlaptoReally is.
16:07.06boudiccasBlapto; did you get your 'slit' working?
16:07.15BlaptoI've still not got anything in my slit.
16:07.17boudiccaswhatever that is
16:07.21BlaptoI wasn't really understanding how to use it.
16:07.33BlaptoIt's a dock thing for applets, like xmms
16:07.41BlaptoI thought it was more of a taskbar.
16:07.45boudiccassystem tray
16:07.52BlaptoYes, like a system tray.
16:07.57Blaptobut no, I haven't put anything in my slit.
16:08.08BlaptoTruth be told, I just like talking about things in my slit.
16:08.08boudiccasah, now i understand ... but still can't help
16:08.24boudiccassounds vaguely indecent
16:08.43mikejwthe question is.. do you maximise over your slit?
16:08.55Blaptomike, you filthy bugger.
16:09.00mikejw:P
16:09.29BlaptoI can't work out how I used to use icewm in BSD on my old mac with 104MB RAM
16:09.41BlaptoEven this basic system running nearly nothing is using nearly 180MB
16:10.28BlaptoXorg wants 30m, pidgin wants 25...
16:10.30BlaptoUpsetting
16:10.35mikejw:0[
16:10.57mikejwswap pidgen fir bitlbee
16:11.27mikejwas recommended to me by Leeds
16:11.34Blaptohmm
16:11.37BlaptoPidgin's easier to use
16:11.59mikejwhmm
16:12.19mikejwalso it doesn't do file transfers afik
16:12.30Blaptoexactly.
16:12.36BlaptoMight be lighter, but less functional
16:23.37mikejwa double-edged sword :]
16:24.21BlaptoI may have to ask for more RAMs
16:24.28Blapto1GB isn't that much really.
16:25.58mikejwplenty for fluxbox
16:26.02mikejwwhat else is running?
16:26.17Blaptommm, just a little upsetting once I start to use vmware console and such
16:26.22wethrinif he's running Firefox, 1GB isn't much :)
16:26.28mikejw:]
16:26.29wethrinbitlbee rocks
16:26.56mikejwhell yes
16:27.02Blaptoiceweasel, but yet
16:27.03Blaptoyes
16:27.10Blaptochews through TBs..
16:27.47wethrinbah. silly hippy Debianised versions
16:28.07Blaptosilly, secure, Debianised version ;)
16:29.29wethrindon't think it's really that much more secure
16:29.40wethrinnot that I care, anyway
16:29.41BlaptoNot in itself.
16:29.54Blaptobut the idea is that debian developers can put patches in if they want to
16:30.08wethrinmmm.....forktastic
16:30.19mikejwlol
16:30.27BlaptoIs the idea, yes.
16:30.29BlaptoCould end badly
16:30.41wethrinmore than likely
16:31.00BlaptoBuuut, I don't really care.
16:31.08BlaptoI run IE5 under wine anyway.
16:31.18wethrinso I don't have time to play those silly little kids games. I want to do useful work on my computer
16:31.42mikejwBlapto: please explain yourself
16:31.54wethrinYes. IE5 sucks. IE7 is okay
16:32.31BlaptoIE7 is OK
16:32.35BlaptoBut won't run under wine.
16:32.41mikejw:D
16:32.46BlaptoOr at least, without spending hours setting it up, and even then it won't work right.
16:32.56wethrinDDTT :)
16:33.04BlaptoIE5 gives me nice webmail with Exchange
16:33.14wethrinDon't use Exchange. HTH HAND
16:33.23BlaptoHTH HAND?
16:33.29BlaptoFor that matter, DDTT?
16:33.41wethrinHope This Helps Have A Nice Day
16:33.46wethrinDon't Do That Then
16:34.03wethrin("Doctor, doctor, it hurts when I do this" "Well, don't do that then")
16:34.14BlaptoAh, right.
16:34.27BlaptoNo, I, errm, run firefox on my laptop
16:34.31BlaptoWhich runs XP
16:34.45mikejwand Outlook?
16:34.53wethrinXP smells of poo and wee
16:35.16mikejwgross
16:35.40BlaptoIt runs Outlook, but I like to only use the desktop sometimes
16:35.42BlaptoSo IE5 helps
16:35.44BlaptoXP isn't so bad really.
16:35.47BlaptoNot good, but not bad
16:35.52wethrinOther than the UI
16:35.57wethrinTeletubbilicious!
16:36.23BlaptoYou can make it look like NT
16:36.32mikejwbest UI ever == BeOS
16:36.52BlaptoAmigaOS!
16:37.09wethrinBlapto: Even to the sensible-sized start button?
16:37.17wethrinQNX is quite nice
16:37.18BlaptoYep.
16:37.21mikejwyou mean that big hand with the disk before you put the game in?
16:37.30BlaptoMy start button is about 20px tall
16:37.37wethrinoh, that's vaguely sensible
16:37.47wethrinby default it takes up about a quarter of the screen
16:37.54BlaptoYes.
16:37.58BlaptoJust make it classic
16:38.00Blaptolooks OK
16:38.06wethrinmm
16:38.16BlaptoSo yes, crap OS, but that's OK because all I do with it is VPN, Office and Firefox
16:38.24BlaptoAnd I've got my desktop for linux
16:38.53mikejwI have cygwin, firefox, and outlook (primary tools)
16:39.04mikejwbut I still can't create soft links
16:39.24Blaptoyes, true
16:39.30BlaptoI've never really felt the urge to though
16:39.50BlaptoHmm, IE5 is taking 57M RES in my linux box
16:39.59Blaptoand 2713M VIRT
16:41.43wethrinyou got her number? :)
16:41.44BlaptoIf you don't, can I have her number?
16:42.03mikejwlol
16:42.27mikejwyes and no
16:42.39Blaptoin what order?
16:42.57mikejwI mean yes I have it no you can't have it :P
16:43.29mikejwunless I get shot down in flames of glory of course
16:44.43BlaptoHmm
16:44.52BlaptoFor my next trick, I might run OpenSolaris on my desktop
16:44.58BlaptoJust to piss everybody off, including myself
16:45.35mikejwlol
16:45.54BlaptoIt might snub Bruce and his holier than thou FreeBSD desktop
16:47.50mikejwyou don't know til you try
16:49.10BlaptoI think I do
16:49.20BlaptoAt least I haven't got the mickey mouse KDE interface now.
16:49.29BlaptoIt looks like I'm doing real work, even though I'm in IRC
16:49.35mikejwpefect
16:49.47BlaptoNow I just need a real monitor, a 20" would do
16:49.49mikejws/pfect/perfect
16:50.02BlaptoThis 19" 1280*1024 is painful.
16:50.41wethrintoo small?
16:50.47wethrinAn LCD 20" is unlikely to do more
16:50.53wethrinunless you pay lots for a 1600x1200
17:00.53mikejwrather ridiculous uses of.. it seems
17:05.34Blapto20" are almost all 1600x1200 now.
17:06.21BlaptoAnd not terribly expensive either
17:06.33mikejwthis is all good news
17:07.32mikejw...and tempts me to waste money in order to play whizzy games
17:08.16mikejwI should probably get a new bike :)
17:08.22mikejwif anything
17:09.33Blapto1680x1050 is actually very cheap now
17:09.39BlaptoAnd you don't lose too much real estate
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18:25.43wethrinmad fellow
18:26.32LeedsI did just wake up from a 'nap' - and it's a 3-day weekend here
18:26.41wethrinoh, well
19:25.31wethrinhi gw280
19:26.00gw280hi
19:26.36gw280why?
19:27.00wethrinwhy not?
19:27.04gw280pleb
19:28.12wethrinbah
19:28.32gw280the question is, do I go to FOSDEM
19:28.35wethrinYes
19:32.00rhoweYes
19:32.26wethrinrhowe!
19:32.30wethrinGet thee to FOSDEM
19:32.35wethrinIt's better than a nunnery
20:29.59andrew___wethrin: not sure I undersatnd relationshib between FOSDEM and nunnery
20:34.45wethrin"Get thee to a nunnery"
21:39.41wethrinhello gw280
21:40.27gw280hi
21:41.24wethrinI still have beer
21:42.07DiscordianI've one can left
22:47.12Leedsmorning all

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