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| 09:19.25 | mike___ | hey peeps |
| 09:30.57 | boudiccas | morning all |
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| 09:46.51 | goibhniu | http://xkcd.com/327/ (database humour) |
| 09:54.55 | mikejw | :D |
| 09:54.59 | mikejw | bbl |
| 09:59.30 | hali | excellent :) |
| 10:00.13 | antiphase | Welcome to yesterday |
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| 11:51.35 | goibhniu | http://1010.co.uk/gneve.html ... video editing in emacs |
| 11:55.30 | Ch0Hag | Does/has anyone work[ed] at a bank? |
| 11:56.56 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: I'm thinking of doing a Bank |
| 11:57.04 | wethrin | morsing did |
| 11:57.14 | Ch0Hag | That's not quite what I'm referring to. |
| 11:57.27 | antiphase | Was that where he got sacked from? |
| 11:57.37 | wethrin | that was Visa, I think |
| 11:57.50 | wethrin | and it was more because the project was pushed back |
| 11:57.59 | Ch0Hag | Well s/Bank/FInancial Institution/ |
| 11:58.11 | antiphase | Nothing to do with his rank incompetence then ;) |
| 11:58.46 | Ch0Hag | His incompetence smelled? |
| 11:58.52 | wethrin | antiphase: Oi :-P |
| 11:58.59 | wethrin | can you do better at AIX? |
| 11:59.11 | antiphase | Why would I want to? ;) |
| 11:59.33 | Ch0Hag | Somebody has to. |
| 11:59.52 | antiphase | The bloke can't even use netstat as I recall, I feel sorry for employers that he dupes |
| 12:00.07 | antiphase | Anyway. |
| 12:00.07 | wethrin | harsh |
| 12:00.25 | Ch0Hag | What? Even *I* can use netstat. |
| 12:00.38 | Ch0Hag | Kind of. |
| 12:01.40 | wethrin | ~seen gw280 |
| 12:01.42 | ibot | gw280 is currently on #maemo #htc-linux #openmoko. Has said a total of 58 messages. Is idling for 1d 1h 23m 10s, last said: 'hey mickeyl '. |
| 12:04.06 | goibhniu | ibot: enough of the  crap! you suck! |
| 12:05.08 | wethrin | eh? |
| 12:06.18 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Its goibhniu hes pissed again |
| 12:06.27 | wethrin | ahh, yes |
| 12:06.40 | wethrin | yes |
| 12:06.46 | wethrin | where in particular? |
| 12:08.52 | goibhniu | just me? :( ... e.g. Has said a total of <here></here>58<here></here> |
| 12:09.09 | wethrin | ah |
| 12:09.12 | wethrin | It comes up as bold for me |
| 12:09.18 | wethrin | you're not interpreting character codes |
| 12:09.22 | antiphase | WFM in irssi |
| 12:09.38 | wethrin | so if I write something in bold, then it comes up as  ? |
| 12:09.47 | goibhniu | yep |
| 12:09.58 | wethrin | are you not using irssi? |
| 12:10.06 | goibhniu | nope ... gaim |
| 12:10.14 | wethrin | ahh, well |
| 12:10.19 | wethrin | use a proper IRC client :) |
| 12:10.27 | Ch0Hag | Then there's little hope for you. |
| 12:10.51 | goibhniu | well, I need to use it for google chat, msn, and yim anyway |
| 12:11.06 | wethrin | bitlbee! |
| 12:12.05 | wethrin | I want lunch |
| 12:13.04 | antiphase | bitlbee 4tw |
| 12:16.47 | goibhniu | I'm pretty sure this is a new feature of my gaim ... I probably broke something |
| 12:17.04 | goibhniu | "bold" is for deskjockeys |
| 12:17.25 | antiphase | What about 13pink |
| 12:18.56 | goibhniu | italics? |
| 12:19.16 | wethrin | shocking pink! |
| 12:19.23 | wethrin | How did you get pink? |
| 12:20.09 | Ch0Hag | Do employers ever advertise jobs or only other agencies, forcing you into a hopeless circle of death? |
| 12:20.56 | wethrin | Employers do |
| 12:21.04 | Ch0Hag | Where? |
| 12:21.12 | wethrin | See the Gllug list sometimes |
| 12:21.43 | Ch0Hag | Heh, yes, everytime I've seen that happen there's been some kind of argument. |
| 12:22.15 | goibhniu | Ch0Hag: why not search for companies who do something you like and ask them if they need someone? |
| 12:22.20 | wethrin | Yeah, argument, normally either due to people saying "might suit new graduate", or about the salary |
| 12:22.46 | Ch0Hag | goibhniu: I'm not sure there are any companies who do things I like. |
| 12:23.05 | wethrin | what do you like? |
| 12:23.17 | Ch0Hag | Well that's the first problem. |
| 12:23.19 | Ch0Hag | Not very much. |
| 12:23.23 | Ch0Hag | Food. |
| 12:23.27 | wethrin | chef! |
| 12:23.29 | goibhniu | there you go! |
| 12:23.46 | Ch0Hag | Ah but I can't cook. |
| 12:24.05 | Ch0Hag | I can run computers and that's about it. |
| 12:24.15 | dick_turpin | Hm, is there a portable version of Irssi or BitlBee? |
| 12:24.18 | Ch0Hag | Unfortunately I very much DON'T like doing that for anybody else. |
| 12:24.32 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Yes. Run it on a remote machine, and use ssh |
| 12:24.37 | goibhniu | do you like money? |
| 12:24.46 | Ch0Hag | dick_turpin: If I life my PC up, does that make IRSSI portable? |
| 12:24.51 | Ch0Hag | lift |
| 12:25.36 | goibhniu | Ch0Hag: you don't like Liverpool by any chance? |
| 12:25.47 | Ch0Hag | I may have to bite my tongue on that one a bit, my current plan involves saving as much money as I can in a year or so and then buggering off to a cheap country. |
| 12:25.56 | Ch0Hag | I don't believe I've been to Liverpool. |
| 12:26.02 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Very funny |
| 12:26.13 | Ch0Hag | We [family] did a round-UK trip years ago, so maybe. |
| 12:26.44 | goibhniu | excellent ... Ch0Hag I've got a job for you with lots of money in Liverpool .. it's like a cheap country ... and then you can go to a *nice* cheap country the year after |
| 12:27.10 | Ch0Hag | Sounds good, except I live in London. |
| 12:27.41 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Well, it works nicely if you have one of those magic phones that does everything |
| 12:28.08 | Ch0Hag | Moving is basically impossible as my home and girlfriend are stuck down here. |
| 12:28.28 | goibhniu | D: |
| 12:28.52 | Ch0Hag | Of course if I could mostly work at home... |
| 12:29.08 | Ch0Hag | I have teh intarweb and voip. |
| 12:29.25 | antiphase | I don't think I'd move to Liverpool for less than £100k pa |
| 12:29.42 | wethrin | what about Manchester? |
| 12:29.48 | antiphase | You'd need that to replace all your electrical goods once a week after they get stolen |
| 12:29.50 | wethrin | £100k would buy you half the houses in L'poo,surely? |
| 12:29.51 | Ch0Hag | antiphase: Did that line of text involve any odd control characters? |
| 12:30.04 | antiphase | Ch0Hag: Not AFAIK |
| 12:30.12 | Ch0Hag | Thin IRSSI just went insane. |
| 12:30.14 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Here at work I prefer to run stuff via portable apps off my USB drive, knowing me I'd probably leave the stupid thing connected when I went home |
| 12:30.44 | wethrin | Well, putty will fit on happily |
| 12:30.49 | Ch0Hag | Maybe it's a £? |
| 12:30.52 | Ch0Hag | Ah that's it. |
| 12:30.56 | antiphase | £££ |
| 12:31.04 | wethrin | you and your UTF8 things! |
| 12:31.17 | dick_turpin | wethrin: The wife won't let me leave my box on :-( |
| 12:31.32 | antiphase | UTF8 is worky enough to use all the time now I reckon |
| 12:31.35 | wethrin | You need to hide it better |
| 12:31.50 | wethrin | yes, but I need to fiddle with settings |
| 12:32.00 | Ch0Hag | antiphase: Except urxvt has just decided it doesn't like £ |
| 12:32.01 | goibhniu | irssi better support utf8 or it loses |
| 12:32.08 | Ch0Hag | I'm sure it did before. |
| 12:32.20 | Ch0Hag | Ah yes, point, s/urxvt/irssi/ |
| 12:32.29 | antiphase | xterm 4tw |
| 12:32.34 | wethrin | xterm++ |
| 12:32.45 | goibhniu | zsh vs bash? |
| 12:32.52 | Ch0Hag | Maybe. |
| 12:32.57 | Ch0Hag | I've not used xterm in aeons. |
| 12:33.12 | Ch0Hag | It does utf-8 these days I presume? |
| 12:33.33 | antiphase | I'm using xterm with screen -U and irssi, UTF-8 end-to-end and it works a treat |
| 12:33.41 | goibhniu | a lot of vim heads seem to prefer zsh |
| 12:33.56 | Ch0Hag | Bah xterm doesn't like the meta key. |
| 12:34.09 | wethrin | I don't know what I've got. Cygwin, xterm, ssh to OpenBSD, screen, irssi |
| 12:34.15 | wethrin | It works |
| 12:34.51 | antiphase | If you're counting ssh, I've got SSH over native IPv6 from CentOS to Gentoo |
| 12:35.01 | wethrin | bully for you :) |
| 12:35.29 | goibhniu | apart from pink bold text ... is there a compelling reason to use irssi? |
| 12:36.07 | antiphase | Flashing text |
| 12:36.20 | goibhniu | oh gawd |
| 12:36.27 | antiphase | IT's just a nice function client that doesn't need a horrid GUI to function |
| 12:36.40 | antiphase | s/on/onal/ |
| 12:37.02 | antiphase | IRC was never meant to look like AIM |
| 12:37.47 | goibhniu | I don't need this extra bling tho ... all I have are tabs with channels, a place to read and a place to type |
| 12:37.47 | wethrin | antiphase: Not flashing |
| 12:37.48 | wethrin | Just inverse |
| 12:38.09 | wethrin | antiphase: Anyway, how do you get pink text? |
| 12:38.41 | antiphase | ^C then 13 then your message |
| 12:38.47 | antiphase | ^C for Colour :) |
| 12:38.58 | wethrin | 13 foo |
| 12:39.00 | wethrin | Oh yes |
| 12:39.00 | antiphase | With optional background colour after a comma |
| 12:39.03 | wethrin | nice |
| 12:39.09 | antiphase | 9,13Bar |
| 12:39.12 | wethrin | ~seen antiphase |
| 12:39.14 | ibot | antiphase is currently on #gllug (6d 1h 56m 10s). Has said a total of 172 messages. Is idling for 5s, last said: '9,13Bar'. |
| 12:39.23 | wethrin | oh, cool, ibot does that magic too |
| 12:41.16 | Ch0Hag | Why does XTerm*metaSendsEscape work but XTerm.metaSendsEscape doesn't? |
| 12:41.55 | Ch0Hag | Or - how do I find out what the (whatever-the-first-part-of-an-X-resource-is-called) that an application uses is? |
| 12:42.57 | Ch0Hag | Class? |
| 12:43.11 | Ch0Hag | Window? |
| 12:49.16 | antiphase | IS you Escape key bust? |
| 12:49.27 | Ch0Hag | No. |
| 12:49.43 | Ch0Hag | That's not the question, anyway, the resource could be anything. |
| 12:49.49 | Ch0Hag | I want to know why * works and . doesn't? |
| 12:52.14 | dick_turpin | Kin ell this irssi is complicated |
| 12:52.26 | Ch0Hag | If you want it to be. |
| 12:54.36 | wethrin | dick_turpin: tisn't, really |
| 12:54.41 | wethrin | it just looks it initially |
| 12:55.50 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I've installed it on the F7 box just trying to fathom out the settings now |
| 12:56.19 | wethrin | /connect <server> allows you to connect to multiple IRC servers |
| 12:56.36 | wethrin | Any volunteers to give a talk to Gllug on the 10th of November? |
| 12:57.38 | Ch0Hag | I can give a moan. |
| 12:58.01 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I've not got that far I'm up to /SET autocreate_own_query OFF |
| 12:58.09 | wethrin | heh |
| 13:02.59 | dick_turpin | wethrin: do I not need to put a server name? irc.freenode.net |
| 13:03.43 | wethrin | yes |
| 13:04.56 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Yep just found that bit sorry |
| 13:05.28 | wethrin | :) |
| 13:05.50 | dick_turpin | wethrin: You'll have to bare with me its on another machine on a KVM so I have to keep flipping back and forth |
| 13:06.19 | wethrin | k |
| 13:10.20 | wethrin | Haa |
| 13:10.49 | dick_turpin | antiphase: TBH seeing as I'm in front of both machines now there seems little point in ssh |
| 13:10.50 | Ch0Hag | Insults? |
| 13:10.56 | Ch0Hag | I think derision is more appropriate. |
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| 13:12.38 | wethrin | root? |
| 13:12.56 | dick_turpin | bloody hell that was dangerous |
| 13:13.19 | Ch0Hag | What were you logged in as root for? |
| 13:13.26 | Ch0Hag | THAT is what's dangerous. |
| 13:13.31 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: coz I'm a knob |
| 13:13.33 | wethrin | "A good sysadmin always logs in a root" </BOFH> |
| 13:14.03 | dick_turpin | I forgot I was still in a root terminal |
| 13:14.16 | dick_turpin | bugger bugger bugger |
| 13:17.16 | cpufreak | /exec -o id |
| 13:17.18 | cpufreak | uid=0(root) gid=0(root) groups=0(root) |
| 13:17.19 | cpufreak | :) |
| 13:17.36 | cpufreak | being able to /exec apt-get update and stuff is useful :P |
| 13:17.52 | Ch0Hag | Is it best to set foreground to green and background to black, or fg=black bg=green with reversevideo? |
| 13:18.04 | wethrin | oh, neat |
| 13:19.50 | cpufreak | Ch0Hag: don't you have anything more important to worry about? :) |
| 13:19.55 | Ch0Hag | Yes. |
| 13:20.24 | Ch0Hag | I figure if I find enough to waste my time with, success will find me. |
| 13:21.18 | antiphase | green on black is a horrid cliche. Light grey on black is much nicer |
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| 13:22.08 | wethrin | amber is nice for serial terminals |
| 13:22.20 | wethrin | Although I've mostly got ones with white phosphors |
| 13:22.22 | wethrin | And one green one |
| 13:22.25 | wethrin | I like the green one |
| 13:22.36 | antiphase | I think it's nice if that's what wavelengths the phosphor emits, it's silly to use on an LCD though :) |
| 13:22.58 | Ch0Hag | I don't use an LCD. |
| 13:23.01 | Ch0Hag | I can't find the right green though. |
| 13:23.49 | antiphase | RGB:00/FF/00 |
| 13:23.52 | wethrin | well, yeah |
| 13:23.57 | wethrin | oh, that's BRIGHT green |
| 13:29.37 | dick_turpin | wethrin: its broken I cant see any messages just the gllug blurb |
| 13:31.21 | wethrin | eh? |
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| 13:33.04 | Cope | Ch0Hag: the biggest question is contrast - eg if you use a browser with a white background and switch to it, or have some white background and some dark background windows, that is tiring |
| 13:33.15 | Ch0Hag | I don't. |
| 13:33.24 | Ch0Hag | The web looks more interesting in green-on-black. |
| 13:33.28 | Cope | i favour light grey on black |
| 13:33.32 | Cope | i used to use green on black |
| 13:33.56 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I don't like it I think its kicked me out now |
| 13:34.21 | wethrin | you're still here? |
| 13:35.22 | centrosales | Now thats funny I can see messages now |
| 13:37.29 | goibhniu | centrosales: does it suck? |
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| 13:39.31 | centrosales | um I'm not qualified to answer but its the same as BitchX as far as I'm concerned |
| 13:45.14 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Its not for me I'm too much of a GUI hand holding whoos |
| 13:46.00 | antiphase | Thunderbird is so shit |
| 13:47.10 | polyunix | hi all |
| 13:47.28 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Its not too bad I have a portable version running now, I prefer Kmail and I think evolution is shit so theres no counting for taste I suppose |
| 13:47.29 | Ch0Hag | Da. |
| 13:48.12 | mikejw | mutt rules |
| 13:48.26 | antiphase | Does mutt display pictures yet? ;) |
| 13:48.36 | wethrin | antiphase: It can do :) |
| 13:48.40 | wethrin | Just spawn an external viewer |
| 13:49.14 | antiphase | Over SSH? |
| 13:49.32 | antiphase | Using a console mail client locally does not compute :) |
| 13:49.42 | mikejw | back in mo mofos |
| 13:49.50 | mikejw | :P |
| 13:51.19 | wethrin | SSH X forwarding |
| 13:51.39 | boudiccas | sossidges and liver |
| 13:58.15 | Ch0Hag | antiphase: Until a GUI MUA is any good, it computes. |
| 13:58.57 | dick_turpin | Well that was a good little experiment |
| 14:03.11 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; what waas the control? |
| 14:03.14 | boudiccas | *was |
| 14:05.26 | boudiccas | i liked the photos of archie, especially the one of you [ dick_turpin ] and him togethor on the chair. you with a big grin on your boat and archie looking quizzically at the camera probably thinking "what the hell /is/ that thing they keep pointing at me???" |
| 14:05.27 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: They had me messing with irssi but its not for me I'm afraid |
| 14:05.58 | boudiccas | like most things you need to spend time /playing/ with it to learn its benefits and downsides |
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| 14:06.56 | boudiccas | evening Leeds |
| 14:07.26 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: :-) |
| 14:08.03 | Leeds | evening boudiccas, all |
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| 14:10.57 | thor2 | Hello, I would like to monitor the installation of a linux box. A person is going to perform the installation and I'd like to monitor what he types and what is the output. I am connecting through ssh. Is it possible to do this without the use of screen -x ? (With some standard tool) |
| 14:11.32 | Leeds | um... what sort of installation? |
| 14:11.46 | Leeds | I believe at least one or two distros support install-over-VNC |
| 14:12.11 | Leeds | nice |
| 14:18.11 | goibhniu | that install over vnc stuff sounds far out |
| 14:18.23 | goibhniu | are there any distros that let you do that out of the box? |
| 14:24.52 | Leeds | opensuse |
| 14:25.03 | Leeds | there is an obvious bootstrap issue... |
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| 14:27.49 | secretlondon | ello |
| 14:27.56 | secretlondon | still using windows :( |
| 14:28.19 | secretlondon | thingey is better in feisty than dapper but still won't connect |
| 14:28.20 | Leeds | awww |
| 14:30.43 | secretlondon | it feels soo slow, it takes it a couple of minutes to boot - i've no idea why - it probably wants formatting and reinstalling.. |
| 14:30.57 | secretlondon | but then I'd use my monthly quota reinstalling service packs.. |
| 14:32.32 | wethrin | ello secretlondon |
| 14:33.04 | secretlondon | I'm pretty sure openbsd doesn't have support either |
| 14:33.22 | secretlondon | they are weird things - they have three interfaces ttyUSB0, 1 and 2 |
| 14:33.22 | z00dax | secretlondon: organise a hack session at the next Gllug meeting ... "getting thinggy working" |
| 14:34.06 | secretlondon | I think it probably only needs someone who can hack on the vodafone gpl'ed drivers - which are in python |
| 14:34.14 | boudiccas | back up stuff beforehand though |
| 14:34.23 | z00dax | secretlondon: the drivers are in python ?? |
| 14:34.27 | secretlondon | yeah |
| 14:34.34 | z00dax | o^O |
| 14:34.47 | Leeds | secretlondon: URL? |
| 14:34.55 | z00dax | i *hope* it relies on something else to bring up the actual /dev |
| 14:35.10 | z00dax | yeah url be good, and also post to the gllug list maybe - lots of people there seem to like py |
| 14:35.16 | secretlondon | http://forge.vodafonebetavine.net/projects/vodafonemobilec/ |
| 14:36.23 | goibhniu | secretlondon!! |
| 14:36.45 | goibhniu | you've got the thingy :D ... but it doesn't work :( |
| 14:37.08 | z00dax | secretlondon: does not seem to be any code there |
| 14:38.04 | z00dax | the nightly snapshot is also empty afaict |
| 14:38.45 | z00dax | doh! ok, i see the download link :) |
| 14:42.09 | Leeds | 1.0 released this week? |
| 14:43.42 | goibhniu | Leeds: opensuse ... bootstrap issue? ... can I tell someone across the interwebs ... burn this cd and pop it in and I'll do the rest? |
| 14:44.58 | Leeds | goibhniu: dunno... a little more work than that, I'd guess |
| 14:45.09 | secretlondon | Leeds: yeah |
| 14:45.24 | Leeds | ideal would be a combination of PXE, DHCP and VNC |
| 14:45.35 | Leeds | wouldn't even need the CD :-) |
| 14:46.04 | Leeds | John Hearnes is an expert in that sort of thing |
| 14:46.12 | goibhniu | interesting |
| 14:46.44 | Leeds | anyway, you'd have to do some research and experimentation, I think |
| 14:50.15 | Leeds | hmm... I have no idea what this 'driver' - more of a manger - is doing, but it's using twisted to do it, I think |
| 14:50.52 | goibhniu | hmm ... I guess any live-cd with sshd turned on would be sufficient really |
| 14:55.41 | secretlondon | it has lots of dependencies |
| 15:00.09 | niv_one_three | hi guys and girls |
| 15:00.27 | secretlondon | hi niv |
| 15:01.57 | niv_one_three | ok, any idea why my kernel manages to find a raid 5 and maps it to /dev/md6 (no md0-5) yet doesnt use it as a roof file system? |
| 15:02.13 | wethrin | Is root on RAID-5 supported? |
| 15:02.14 | niv_one_three | *root |
| 15:02.21 | niv_one_three | yes it is |
| 15:02.37 | wethrin | Faraday++ # "Gold wire deflagrated by explosions of a Leyden battery..." |
| 15:03.17 | niv_one_three | hi wethrin |
| 15:03.21 | niv_one_three | LEEDS! |
| 15:03.31 | niv_one_three | ~seen morsing |
| 15:03.34 | ibot | morsing <i=morsing@emil.morsing.cc> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 1d 22h 32m 8s ago, saying: 'niv_one_three!'. |
| 15:03.56 | niv_one_three | is morsing dead? |
| 15:04.03 | niv_one_three | wtf are you morsing? |
| 15:04.06 | wethrin | he's alive, but not on this channel any more |
| 15:04.11 | wethrin | he's also gone home |
| 15:06.34 | niv_one_three | as long as all is ok, on your end |
| 15:07.16 | niv_one_three | need ot figure out why I managed to boot of yesterday, yet now it wont |
| 15:07.33 | niv_one_three | this whole raid5+lvm issues made me learn a bit |
| 15:07.53 | niv_one_three | i even fixed the /boot/grub/devices.map |
| 15:07.56 | niv_one_three | hmm |
| 15:15.22 | antiphase | What error do you get? |
| 15:16.11 | antiphase | As an aside, despite it being possible it's not really worth doing root on RAID or LVM because it brings no benefit and makes recovery a pain in the arse |
| 15:16.31 | antiphase | When by "RAID" I mean "anything other than RAID-1" |
| 15:16.40 | wethrin | I have (well, am supposed to have, but am lazy) a cold-mirrored root set |
| 15:18.59 | niv_one_three | will post error when I am back infront of the pc |
| 15:19.17 | niv_one_three | hate to have the sun go down so earlly |
| 15:24.20 | secretlondon | hmm. ubuntu has a bug saying that the e220 used to work in feisty and doesn't any more.. Thye have a work around. It may be that vodafone's "driver" is nothing of the sort.. |
| 15:26.41 | antiphase | The Ubuntards seem to have a habit of breaking everything at every available opportunity. It's starting to looking like an unmitigated disaster to me |
| 15:28.23 | secretlondon | this is mainly why I still use dapper (although I'll have to upgrade now). dapper wortks without any annoyances like shitty (but more modern) drivers, the evil of network manager (that you don't seem to be able to get rid of) |
| 15:28.44 | secretlondon | you can't even really use syslog with network manager as it mass spams it every 2 secs |
| 15:28.46 | Leeds | I lke LVM a lot |
| 15:29.27 | antiphase | LVM is quite cool, probably because Sun invented it |
| 15:30.59 | Leeds | the filesystem on my fileserver hasn't been rebuilt for many years, but none of the original underlying PVs are still there |
| 15:43.09 | secretlondon | doh! Vodafone need me to give thme my mobile phone number to register for online services.. I have a datacard with no number |
| 15:44.06 | wethrin | Yes, your datacard will have a number |
| 15:44.21 | wethrin | You should have some facility to send SMSes |
| 15:45.19 | secretlondon | this is true, via the windows software |
| 15:45.57 | hali | sms sending is usually just a normal AT command |
| 15:46.34 | wethrin | Send a text to your phone, then |
| 15:46.39 | secretlondon | yep |
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| 16:59.12 | goibhniu | xteddy: if loving you is wrong, I don't wanna be right |
| 16:59.12 | xteddy | :) |
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| 17:37.21 | wethrin | HONK |
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| 17:42.48 | boudiccas | snuff |
| 17:46.45 | wethrin | cigar? |
| 17:47.33 | z00dax | barcelona |
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| 18:43.39 | mikejw | moo |
| 18:45.33 | boudiccas | meow |
| 18:45.50 | mikejw | twitter |
| 18:47.46 | boudiccas | titter |
| 18:47.51 | niv_one_three | ok, my problem is I manage to boot, but I only see a shell prompt "SH 3.2 #" |
| 18:48.04 | niv_one_three | what does it mean ? |
| 18:48.10 | boudiccas | what OS? |
| 18:49.30 | niv_one_three | i use gentoo |
| 18:49.37 | boudiccas | ah ty |
| 18:49.40 | mikejw | me too! |
| 18:49.45 | mikejw | as of today |
| 18:49.48 | niv_one_three | I moved from a single hard disk to a raid |
| 18:49.55 | mikejw | same here |
| 18:50.40 | niv_one_three | I use /dev/md1 for /boot ; /dev/md5 swap ; /dev/md6 / ; /dev/md7 lvm with /usr /opt /var |
| 18:50.50 | niv_one_three | what is wrong? |
| 18:51.00 | niv_one_three | and why can't I ls? |
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| 19:57.43 | mikejw | hey goibhniu |
| 19:58.02 | mikejw | I"m installing using the miminal disc now |
| 19:58.25 | mikejw | does that mean I have to compile gnome? |
| 20:16.02 | goibhniu | mikejw: yep |
| 20:16.20 | goibhniu | (if you want gnome) |
| 20:16.40 | mikejw | :) |
| 20:17.49 | goibhniu | it does take some time :( |
| 20:18.17 | goibhniu | I don't know if you use paludis from the getgo these days |
| 20:18.41 | goibhniu | I hear it's the future, but I'm too lazy to switch |
| 20:19.25 | goibhniu | (it's a package manager, replacement for portage) |
| 20:23.00 | mikejw | how long is some time? a day? |
| 20:23.17 | goibhniu | what kind of system? |
| 20:23.51 | goibhniu | I believe the minimal install requires some attention |
| 20:24.20 | mikejw | yeah |
| 20:24.25 | mikejw | it's a dual core xeon |
| 20:25.32 | goibhniu | last time I did a gnome desktop system on an X2 1,6Ghz laptop (dual core 64bit) I think it took about 8 hours |
| 20:25.59 | goibhniu | I used the live-cd and left it over night, required about 15 mins attention :) |
| 20:28.28 | mikejw | :] |
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| 20:33.06 | mikejw | installing gentoo is so much fun though |
| 20:33.15 | wethrin | strange fellow |
| 20:33.29 | mikejw | however I haven't gotten as far having a desktop before |
| 20:35.08 | hali | you know that takes like 6 minutes in ubuntu? :) |
| 20:35.49 | mikejw | hmm |
| 20:43.58 | mikejw | I feel like I have to make a big deal out my new switch |
| 20:49.25 | wethrin | Is it a managed Gigabit switch? |
| 21:07.04 | mikejw | do I want multilib? |
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| 23:22.56 | mikejw | is it ok to do emerge gnome while still in single user mode? |
| 23:23.03 | mikejw | ...? |
| 23:24.45 | z00dax | `i would have thought so |
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