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| 08:57.27 | niv_one_three | emm.. HELLO |
| 08:57.34 | niv_one_three | is there anyone here? |
| 08:57.54 | niv_one_three | (damn it, Sunday in Israel is Europes Monday..) |
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| 12:01.08 | gorynych_away | morning |
| 12:03.03 | geospart | yawn |
| 13:16.54 | boudiccas | ~ibot seen SecretLondon |
| 13:16.56 | ibot | secretlondon <n=chatzill@wikipedia/secretlondon> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 2d 21h 30m 17s ago, saying: 'yep'. |
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| 13:57.24 | boudiccas | ahhhh snuff |
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| 14:39.59 | xotl | would anyone know a reason why sudo would not accept a known correct password on a FreeBSD VPS? |
| 14:41.26 | hali | pam issue? |
| 14:41.38 | hali | or it's set to accept the root password |
| 14:43.00 | xotl | I was using the root password |
| 14:43.09 | xotl | su worked ok |
| 14:43.48 | hali | sudo defaults to the user password, not root |
| 14:44.17 | hali | you can set the property rootpw if you want to use the root password |
| 14:45.18 | xotl | so if I set rootpw, then I can use the root password for sudo? is that correct? |
| 14:45.37 | hali | yes |
| 14:46.10 | niv_one_three | got one , why does rsync -a /mnt/gentoo/lib* /mnt/target , causes the files in lib to be copied to /mnt/target ? |
| 14:46.32 | hali | lib/* |
| 14:46.37 | hali | probably |
| 14:47.14 | hali | or skip the * .. just use -r if you want recursive |
| 14:48.06 | xotl | hali: what would the syntax be for setting sudo as root with rootpw? I did a quick google but didn't see anything |
| 14:50.42 | xotl | ok according to redhat its: rootpw [--iscrypted] <password> |
| 14:51.24 | xotl | perhaps I misunderstand but how come you can set the root password when you are not root? |
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| 15:01.55 | hali | hm, thats for kickstart |
| 15:02.19 | hali | you can add the line "Default rootpw" in visudo |
| 15:03.06 | hali | but setting that sort of negates the need of sudo in a sense, sudo becomes su |
| 15:04.06 | xotl | the support people told me that the default root password was the same as the password I was using for my current login, but if that was true then sudo would have worked, no? |
| 15:04.41 | hali | yes, if we can assume that sudo's pam stuff is working |
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| 15:05.17 | secretlondon | hello |
| 15:05.30 | hali | hi |
| 15:05.38 | xotl | support guy also said that sudo didnt work well in virtual environments, is that true? |
| 15:06.15 | hali | no idea, i never tried freebsd vps |
| 15:06.25 | hali | but i can't see why it wouldn't |
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| 15:07.14 | xotl | what is pam? |
| 15:07.57 | secretlondon | vodafone blocks freenode :( |
| 15:08.58 | hali | xotl: pluggable authentication modules, how the os detrmines if you are allowed to login (checks password, if you are allowd on that terminal at that time etc) |
| 15:09.13 | xotl | secretlondon: only freenode? not other netoworks? |
| 15:09.20 | secretlondon | xotl: no all IRC |
| 15:09.41 | secretlondon | it's part if their under 18 filter to protect people from violent games and gambling |
| 15:09.46 | xotl | hali: thanks, I'll have a google around |
| 15:10.01 | secretlondon | (and flikr, and loads of stuff) |
| 15:10.24 | secretlondon | when you sign up to vodafone's 3g broadband they don't tell you it's mega filtered |
| 15:10.59 | xotl | i am always on freenode to gamble and play violent games, that's all i do here |
| 15:12.48 | secretlondon | I think it's the idea that it's unmoderated chat - and therefore full of paedos |
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| 15:13.16 | secretlondon | children are being protected from the evil of freenode and it's self confessed hackers! |
| 15:13.37 | xotl | don't you need a contract for 3g broadband? and hence you would have to be over 18 |
| 15:14.27 | secretlondon | exactly! |
| 15:14.35 | secretlondon | but it wants further prooof |
| 15:15.15 | secretlondon | I need either a credit card (which I don't have), or to go to a vodafone shop with an ID card (passport or driving license) |
| 15:15.41 | secretlondon | they claim you only need that if you are on pay as you talk (not contact) but that's not my experience |
| 15:16.24 | secretlondon | They say you can call them on customer services, but you can't from a data sim, I've emailed them but no rpely as yet |
| 15:16.37 | xotl | I actually think its totally unacceptable for a line provider to interfere with content. I guess if they defaulted to it, but you could turn it off, then I would not object to that |
| 15:16.42 | secretlondon | I'm actually back on wifi here so i can talk :( |
| 15:17.15 | secretlondon | I think it's dreadful - it's like using a corporate internet but with stronger filters, and one that you pay for.. |
| 15:17.55 | xotl | secretlondon: how did you buy the contract in the first place? surely you have to prove you're over 18 at that point? |
| 15:18.22 | secretlondon | I bought it online, they credit checked me and asked for my date of birth |
| 15:18.31 | secretlondon | they can't offer me a contract if I'm under 18 |
| 15:18.49 | secretlondon | and it's credit too |
| 15:19.35 | xotl | right. so if you have been authenticated as being over 18 then why are they still asking for proof? |
| 15:20.45 | secretlondon | exactly |
| 15:20.48 | secretlondon | because it's the default |
| 15:21.00 | boudiccas | surely they can eyeball you and see that you're over 18 |
| 15:21.21 | secretlondon | I still need to bring in a passport! (and mine's expired) |
| 15:21.37 | xotl | so are vodafone saying they will turn off the filtering once they have proved you are over 18 twice? |
| 15:21.46 | boudiccas | does it say they need 'live' passport |
| 15:21.59 | secretlondon | what's the betting that they won't accept an expired passport? Even though my date of birth clearly hasn't changed, and they can see I'm 30s by looking at me |
| 15:22.16 | boudiccas | sounds like they're shysters! |
| 15:22.19 | secretlondon | It doesn't say a live passport but I expect the worst |
| 15:22.29 | xotl | there, you see? betting on freenode! vodafone were right. |
| 15:22.45 | secretlondon | but protecting the child (inner child?) must come first |
| 15:23.04 | secretlondon | even though they are blocking many things that are under 18, like Everquest 2 which is 12+ I think |
| 15:23.12 | xotl | they won't accept an invalid passport |
| 15:23.16 | secretlondon | I think it's any potential for un moderated chat |
| 15:24.25 | secretlondon | boudiccas: whilst I'm sorting this out could you stop sending the goons to me, it's blocking up my email :( |
| 15:24.55 | boudiccas | secretlondon; okay, no more until you say after todays batch |
| 15:24.58 | xotl | so presumably they have told you that they will turn off the filter after they/ve seen your passport? |
| 15:25.56 | secretlondon | xotl: if I've managed to prove my age. Their help info says that's only for pay as you go customers, but I'm being made to prove my age too |
| 15:26.22 | secretlondon | the two ways of doing it are to be charged £1 to a credit card, or to go into their shop with a passport or driving license |
| 15:26.41 | secretlondon | then the "content control" filter goes, although they may still block stuff I guess.. |
| 15:26.47 | xotl | On the bright side you must be very youthful-looking |
| 15:27.09 | secretlondon | alas they haven't actually seen me.. |
| 15:27.21 | secretlondon | yer granny would count as under 18 here |
| 15:29.10 | xotl | what is the contract? is it one of those data-only ones with a usb modem? |
| 15:29.38 | secretlondon | yes |
| 15:30.05 | secretlondon | it's data only, what they sell as "3g broadband" with a usb hspa modem |
| 15:31.09 | xotl | i don't know why they keep the 3g moniker if its hsdpa, a lot of ppl still think of 3g as pretty slow and crap, even if hsdpa is technically still 3g |
| 15:31.33 | secretlondon | they are saying things like 3g+ |
| 15:32.04 | secretlondon | but they are using "3g broadband" to mean hsdpa |
| 15:32.17 | secretlondon | as it's more user friendly than a strange set of letters |
| 15:32.30 | xotl | a marketing mistake, if you ask me. they should just say hsdpa |
| 15:33.10 | xotl | well 3g is pretty meaningless too so i dont see that they lose any clarity |
| 15:33.42 | secretlondon | but broadband is the key word |
| 15:33.45 | secretlondon | and 3g = mobile |
| 15:33.57 | secretlondon | mobile broadband would work better |
| 15:34.58 | xotl | i still prefer hsdpa, because it tells you its better than the previous-gen 3g tech without committing to an average speed |
| 15:35.56 | xotl | have you tried voip over it? |
| 15:40.09 | secretlondon | but non geeks won't know what that means |
| 15:40.09 | secretlondon | not yet |
| 15:40.09 | secretlondon | I expect they may block that too |
| 15:41.49 | xotl | I think you underestimate non-geeks. I've seen phones with hsdpa printed on them, non-geeks seem ok with GPRS, ADSL etc |
| 15:42.21 | xotl | I'm interested to know if voip works |
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| 15:52.47 | wethrin | people! |
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| 15:56.53 | niv_one_three | hi wethrin |
| 15:57.11 | niv_one_three | ~seen antispace |
| 15:57.14 | ibot | i haven't seen 'antispace', niv_one_three |
| 15:57.39 | niv_one_three | oh ya , HI LEEDS |
| 15:57.50 | secret__ | I have an email from vodafone now contradicting their help pages |
| 15:58.08 | secret__ | Ms. Ford you would need a credit card as proof of purchase to remove the content control bar from your 3G Broadband USB modem. This is needed for both pay monthly and pay as you talk customers. |
| 15:58.21 | secret__ | As you do not have a credit card you will need to take an identification proof and age proof to your nearest Vodafone Retail Store and our staff will be glad to assist you further remove the content control bar from your 3G Broadband USB modem. |
| 15:58.56 | niv_one_three | anda drop of blood |
| 15:59.50 | secret__ | note that it's passport and/or driving license as "id card" |
| 16:00.19 | wethrin | it's a convenient photo proof |
| 16:00.51 | secret__ | I reckon there's no way they'll accept my expired passport |
| 16:01.07 | wethrin | You can try |
| 16:01.11 | xotl | why would they? its not a valid document |
| 16:01.20 | secret__ | exactly |
| 16:01.30 | wethrin | they might not even check |
| 16:01.38 | secret__ | true - it's worth ago |
| 16:01.40 | wethrin | As long as the photo somehow vaguely resembles you |
| 16:01.43 | secret__ | it does |
| 16:02.34 | wethrin | might be okay, then |
| 16:03.15 | secret__ | it's really annoying me, it blocks loads of stuff |
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| 16:11.35 | secret__ | they say they want ID with date of birth on |
| 16:12.10 | secret__ | but then on the same help pages they say they don't need this for contract phones |
| 16:12.11 | secret__ | so it may not be worth anything |
| 16:25.56 | secret__ | a ladybird has just thrown itself off the wall and landed in my coffee |
| 16:26.14 | wethrin | suicidal insect? |
| 16:28.21 | secret__ | yeah |
| 16:28.27 | secret__ | I seem to be infested by them |
| 16:29.19 | wethrin | heh |
| 16:29.45 | boudiccas | how many black spots did it have? |
| 16:30.17 | boudiccas | or was it a yellow ladybird? |
| 16:32.01 | secret__ | It was red, and some of them only have 2 black spots, but most of them look like normal ladybirds |
| 16:38.39 | secret__ | boudiccas: these are them http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4508/ladybirdsej6.jpg |
| 16:40.16 | secret__ | very cosy |
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| 16:59.43 | boudiccas | oooh! spicy! |
| 16:59.53 | boudiccas | sorry, everything stopped for tea |
| 17:01.27 | boudiccas | makes you wonder what they're feeding on |
| 17:03.24 | hali | spicy indeed |
| 17:03.39 | hali | i made shepards pie with lots of nandos piri piri sauce :) |
| 17:10.03 | secret_ | boudiccas: someone told me they may be trying to hibernate |
| 17:10.18 | secret_ | and that if I hoovered them up they may come out of the hoover again in the spring (!) |
| 17:10.50 | secret_ | maybe that corner of the window is both open (as that's the window the wifi wire goes out of) and warm |
| 17:11.13 | secret_ | anyone - I should go out |
| 17:11.15 | secret_ | anyway |
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| 17:46.12 | boudiccas | sabinef72; you still with us? have you had your baby yet? :) |
| 17:46.24 | sabinef72 | nooooooo |
| 17:46.32 | sabinef72 | I went to see the doctor this morning |
| 17:46.38 | sabinef72 | and I have to go again tomorrow |
| 17:47.06 | boudiccas | are you going to be induced? |
| 17:47.07 | sabinef72 | it's the D day today... why the baby doesn't want to go out ? |
| 17:47.24 | boudiccas | cos has hasn't seen a calendar? |
| 17:47.33 | sabinef72 | perhaps |
| 17:47.36 | boudiccas | :) |
| 17:47.48 | sabinef72 | induced thursday if nothing happens |
| 17:48.02 | boudiccas | ah, i hpe things start before then |
| 17:48.06 | boudiccas | *hope |
| 17:48.15 | sabinef72 | yes I prefer natural things |
| 17:49.13 | boudiccas | i was induced for my first, not nice |
| 17:49.38 | sabinef72 | oh :-( |
| 17:57.43 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I got the script working |
| 17:58.22 | boudiccas | good oh dick_turpin i tried logging on to irc using undernet today and couldnt do it, so i'm back on xchat |
| 17:59.20 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: This morning (around 8.00am) you was still logged in as boudiccas1 |
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| 18:18.16 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; yes, but that was before i logged off as boudiccas1 about 1500ish |
| 18:19.21 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Ah, can you do /pmsg ? |
| 18:20.29 | boudiccas | yes, i'm back on xchat again |
| 18:20.42 | boudiccas | i cant use irssi if i cant get onto undernet |
| 18:21.23 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Do us a favor do a /pmsg to me, I want to see if it shows up in the list (irssi) |
| 18:22.09 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Yay /window #7 |
| 18:23.02 | boudiccas | you can also pm someone by /msg foobar |
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| 18:24.37 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; you used /quit didn't you? :)))) |
| 18:25.00 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Nope /exit that killed everything |
| 18:27.40 | hali | do the /disco is a classic noob misstake too :) |
| 18:31.54 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: So thats good at least, the window number shows up in the status bar |
| 18:33.10 | hali | are we migrating people to irssi in screen? |
| 18:33.36 | boudiccas | not i said the pig |
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| 18:34.21 | boudiccas | i cant get irssi to load undernet so its counted out as far as i'm concerned. i've /got/ to have the baility to get onto undernet |
| 18:34.24 | efaistos | hi |
| 18:34.34 | boudiccas | bonjour efaistos |
| 18:34.46 | dick_turpin | hali: I'm not, I'm too busy learning irssi adding screen to the mix is too much for me |
| 18:35.04 | efaistos | boudiccas: how the hell you know that I'm from France ;) |
| 18:35.07 | hali | screen pwns |
| 18:35.30 | boudiccas | efaistos; how the hell did i know that you were /not/ from france :))) |
| 18:35.45 | efaistos | just moved to UK four months ago ... |
| 18:35.48 | dick_turpin | hali: pwns? |
| 18:36.06 | hali | dick_turpin: you're so pwnd! :) |
| 18:36.41 | hali | ibot: pwn |
| 18:36.52 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; have you been pwnd by a pwn-broker? |
| 18:37.14 | boudiccas | with three golden globes hangin above the doorway of his pwn shop? |
| 18:37.47 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: That one went over my head, a bit like an aeroplane :-) |
| 18:38.11 | boudiccas | i thought pwnd menat pawned, by a oawn broker |
| 18:38.15 | boudiccas | *pawn |
| 18:38.33 | hali | own owns owned |
| 18:38.34 | boudiccas | *meant |
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| 19:00.51 | wethrin | Top Gear! |
| 19:01.21 | hali | no, Antiques roadshow |
| 19:01.47 | wethrin | That's not a nice way of talking about Clarkson! |
| 19:25.33 | aguaithefreak | does anyone heard about this 3VWM media file format? |
| 19:59.26 | hali | damn, they did it! |
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| 20:59.02 | wethrin | hali: Yeah. Was good, wasn't it? |
| 20:59.36 | hali | was ok, at least the boat bit :) |
| 20:59.48 | wethrin | mmm |
| 20:59.58 | wethrin | Wonder how long it actually took them, on the final go |
| 21:00.47 | hali | i'd guess 4h |
| 21:00.48 | wethrin | and Capt. Slow smoking a pipe worked quite well |
| 21:00.52 | hali | ferry is 90mins |
| 21:00.53 | wethrin | mmm, sounds about reasonable |
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| 21:12.20 | secretlondon | hi |
| 21:12.23 | wethrin | hi |
| 22:23.49 | xotl | lol. I've just seen a job ad that requires "a comprehensive knowledge of non-Microsoft applications". These HR people really work hard to earn our respect. |
| 22:25.11 | secretlondon | i'm gonna go into windows to use the vodafone thing, this connection to too rubbish |
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| 23:26.02 | gregj | parcel-force cunts don't allow me to send stuff through their website, if I have something else than windows... |
| 23:26.06 | gregj | twats:/ |
