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| 00:57.32 | Leeds | The BBC has also confirmed that users of Apple Mac and Linux machines will be able to use its TV catch-up service from the end of the year. |
| 00:57.32 | Leeds | The broadcaster has signed a deal with Adobe to provide Flash video for the whole of the BBC's video services, including a streaming version of its iPlayer. |
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| 07:44.00 | bilarh_ | morning folks |
| 07:54.13 | hali | Hello |
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| 09:02.22 | niv_one_three | I fear I am hear all alone |
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| 09:14.03 | bilarh_ | niv_one_three: fear not, goibhniu is here now |
| 09:18.53 | goibhnir | niv_one_three: don't be afraid ... we are all alone ... every one of us ... like cows who cannot speak |
| 09:32.47 | goibhnir | god vimperator rocks ... they say they're not gonna have another release before FF3 and then they do it anyway! |
| 09:47.56 | z00dax | goibhnir: just looking at it and seems it wont like my 1.5.0.12 FF release |
| 09:48.03 | z00dax | it seems to need, absurdly 2.x |
| 09:50.05 | goibhnir | are you a retro browser enthusiast? |
| 09:50.27 | z00dax | not really, but i like the idea of managed apps |
| 09:50.38 | z00dax | and 1.5.0.12 is the latest update in the 1.5 tree |
| 09:50.58 | z00dax | remember. 2.0 was just a version bump for marketing reasons |
| 09:52.04 | goibhnir | really? I never heard that before |
| 09:52.13 | goibhnir | 3 is a very different animal |
| 09:52.18 | z00dax | 3 is yes |
| 09:53.17 | goibhnir | but 2 had some new features |
| 09:53.23 | goibhnir | like the session management |
| 09:53.46 | goibhnir | javascript 1.7 ... wasn't that new? |
| 09:55.40 | z00dax | the only mozdev chap I know, runs 1.5 still and is doing most of his work there too |
| 09:56.03 | goibhnir | that's shocking |
| 09:56.13 | z00dax | why ? |
| 09:56.23 | z00dax | 1.5 is still the most popular ff version out there, i thought |
| 09:56.33 | z00dax | and someone haseto do security and bugfix against it :) |
| 09:57.16 | goibhnir | I thought the vast majority of people upgraded to 2 within a couple of months |
| 09:57.26 | goibhnir | that's what our stats have suggested anyway |
| 09:59.11 | goibhnir | sure someone needs to maintain 1.5 ... but I think 2 is more than a marketing release |
| 09:59.28 | goibhnir | surely vimperator alone is reason enough to upgrade |
| 09:59.53 | goibhnir | you could hack it to ignore the version checking I think |
| 10:00.01 | goibhnir | I'd be surprised if it worked though |
| 10:00.20 | z00dax | the only people I see with 2.x really is windoze users |
| 10:00.44 | z00dax | most people dont bother with per-pkg update really. |
| 10:01.01 | z00dax | imagine what that might be like - 260 pkgs on the machine, each with its own update mechanism |
| 10:01.49 | goibhnir | rolling distros like gentoo and arch seem to be able to deal with it |
| 10:03.03 | goibhnir | it always amazes me though, that it doesn't break stuff |
| 10:05.10 | z00dax | depends on what you define as 'break' |
| 10:05.20 | z00dax | there is a reason why none of the var's really support gentoo or arch |
| 10:05.51 | z00dax | wasent there a nss / nspr issue with the 1.5 to 2.0 move ? |
| 10:06.32 | goibhnir | the vars? |
| 10:06.41 | z00dax | no, nspr itself |
| 10:07.03 | z00dax | pkgs built with the 1.5.x tree didnt work with the 2.0 provided nspr and people stopped using mozilla to provide nspr |
| 10:07.42 | z00dax | we provided a ff-2.x by just building it to not interfere with distro stuff |
| 10:07.57 | z00dax | and split the subpackages out, and did a rm -rf in there :) |
| 10:09.45 | goibhnir | I dunno ... I must look into it |
| 10:10.13 | goibhnir | I'm confident that the gentoo folks would have taken care of any issues too though |
| 10:10.56 | goibhnir | what/who are the vars? |
| 10:12.03 | z00dax | vars ? |
| 10:12.20 | z00dax | the portable runtime... lots of other pkgs build against them to provide stuff |
| 10:12.26 | z00dax | eg. liferea and yelp etc |
| 10:12.30 | wethrin | z00dax! |
| 10:12.37 | goibhnir | 11:05 < z00dax> there is a reason why none of the var's really support gentoo or arch |
| 10:12.39 | z00dax | wethrin: ! |
| 10:13.05 | z00dax | goibhnir: V.A.R's right - like terradata and most bug commercial users |
| 10:13.40 | z00dax | value added resellers ? |
| 10:13.47 | z00dax | s/bug/big/ |
| 10:13.47 | wethrin | z00dax: Any news on the Netras? |
| 10:14.08 | z00dax | wethrin: yes, 4 of them should land up soon'ish - those are all going into centos/sparc and fedora/sparc|aurora |
| 10:14.17 | z00dax | we should get another 3 in Dec sometime |
| 10:14.32 | wethrin | nice |
| 10:14.41 | z00dax | the $company postponed ordering the replacement machines by a few weeks which is what caused the delay |
| 10:15.02 | z00dax | aparently they got wind of the GBP/USD equation - and decided they would wait for the ratio to go down a bit more |
| 10:17.07 | wethrin | :) |
| 10:18.19 | z00dax | it is starting to get real fun though. if it would drop to 1:2.5 that would be awesome! |
| 10:18.42 | z00dax | some of the exporters might throw a fit though. Not sure if there are many in the UK anymore |
| 10:19.01 | z00dax | btw, who is organising the Nov10th meetup ? |
| 10:19.55 | wethrin | Not me. I'm not around |
| 10:20.00 | wethrin | Well, I'll give you one speaker |
| 10:20.06 | wethrin | You need to find two others |
| 10:20.09 | wethrin | Venue's already booked |
| 10:20.22 | wethrin | And I can give a copy of my usual Gllug slides to whoever's going to host |
| 10:20.32 | z00dax | goibhnir will speak on Viminator! |
| 10:20.33 | goibhnir | can I 'elp? |
| 10:20.37 | goibhnir | hehe |
| 10:21.08 | goibhnir | finding speakers is the main thing ... innit? |
| 10:21.16 | z00dax | if we can come up with something to talk about, i can bring the ps3 along |
| 10:21.27 | wethrin | goibhnir: Yes |
| 10:21.39 | wethrin | A couple of people said they'd talk, but they haven't been getting back to John |
| 10:21.40 | goibhnir | dick mentioned a perl monger who can talk |
| 10:21.40 | z00dax | is the audience likely to be interested in automated system provisioning ? |
| 10:21.52 | wethrin | the audience can be interested in anything :) |
| 10:22.02 | wethrin | well volunteered, then! |
| 10:22.36 | goibhnir | I'd say that'd be very interesting |
| 10:23.18 | z00dax | humm ok then, automated systems provisioning with 'cobbler and centos' |
| 10:23.19 | goibhnir | I'd love to see a talk on git |
| 10:23.50 | z00dax | git would be quite cool as well, i did use it for a bit but most of the projects I work on at the code level tend to be small enough to handle in svn + svk just fine |
| 10:24.07 | z00dax | maybe one of the perl guys would like to speak on svk ? |
| 10:24.14 | z00dax | they tend to like that stuff a lot |
| 10:24.21 | z00dax | or fuse and userland filesystems :) |
| 10:24.26 | goibhnir | nice |
| 10:24.46 | z00dax | ok, lets stick with automated systems provisioning with cobbler and centos |
| 10:25.01 | z00dax | right, SIGWORK #gllug |
| 10:26.15 | bilarh_ | is there sort of an 'include' in expect? |
| 10:26.19 | bilarh_ | sorry, tcl |
| 10:26.27 | wethrin | z00dax: Please to be sending an appropriate email to gllug-admin, so we know what's going on :) |
| 10:29.10 | z00dax | wethrin: ack |
| 10:29.38 | wethrin | ta |
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| 10:30.27 | Armand | Morning. :) |
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| 10:33.39 | goibhnir | centrosales: barbie ... can you get him? |
| 10:34.06 | centrosales | goibhnir: Um for a talk? |
| 10:34.10 | goibhnir | yep |
| 10:34.21 | goibhnir | Nov 10 |
| 10:34.34 | goibhnir | did you say he lives a bit out of London? |
| 10:34.37 | centrosales | K will ask |
| 10:34.43 | goibhnir | super! tnx |
| 10:36.18 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: Interstingly irssi is all about perl :-) |
| 10:36.52 | goibhnir | indeed! |
| 10:37.33 | goibhnir | and I've read some of it ... and it's not all $*(()/?#@wibblewibble\" |
| 10:37.58 | goibhnir | did you get aspeller running? |
| 10:38.41 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: yep running now |
| 10:38.55 | bilarh_ | oh great, dick_turpin is here |
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| 10:39.21 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: nad at home, this one (F7) irssi is broken sort of |
| 10:39.28 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Hi ya |
| 10:39.55 | dick_turpin | wtf is nad ? |
| 10:40.03 | bilarh_ | i know what gonads are :P |
| 10:40.13 | bilarh_ | i've been trying to grow some for a while |
| 10:40.22 | dick_turpin | ibot: kick bilarh_ in the gonads |
| 10:40.23 | ibot | ACTION kicks bilarh_ in the gonads |
| 10:40.37 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: i aint got none to kick |
| 10:41.02 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: You a girl then? |
| 10:41.16 | bilarh_ | metaphorically, i mean |
| 10:41.22 | Armand | sok, you can borrow Tony Blair's.. he clearly don't need them. :P |
| 10:41.25 | bilarh_ | i've got a sack of sorts |
| 10:41.30 | dick_turpin | ibot: bilarh_ is a big girls blouse |
| 10:41.31 | ibot | okay, dick_turpin |
| 10:41.42 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin & ibot: !!! |
| 10:41.54 | bilarh_ | ibot: whois bilarh_ |
| 10:42.04 | bilarh_ | ibot: stupid bot |
| 10:42.05 | ibot | Stupid human. |
| 10:42.57 | bilarh_ | armand: i didn't think tony blair had any anyway, did he? |
| 10:43.07 | bilarh_ | armand: he had a very useful coat, though |
| 10:43.17 | dick_turpin | ibot: whats bilarh_ |
| 10:43.55 | Armand | lol |
| 10:44.04 | Armand | He also has a walking post-box. :P |
| 10:44.28 | bilarh_ | ibot: what's wrong? cat ate your tongue? |
| 10:44.40 | bilarh_ | mmmmm spaeking of which, cat deeley :D :D |
| 10:44.48 | bilarh_ | dealey? |
| 10:45.15 | bilarh_ | no, definitely deeley |
| 10:45.59 | bilarh_ | i think my mind has turned into a complete random mess... i need to reboot to clear my memory i think |
| 10:48.17 | bilarh_ | 4K Memory OK |
| 10:48.42 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: wtf is a 'rabbit punch'? |
| 10:48.56 | Armand | lol |
| 10:49.03 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: An illegal punch in boxing |
| 10:49.31 | dick_turpin | xteddy: hug bilarh_ |
| 10:49.31 | xteddy | :) |
| 10:50.29 | bilarh_ | omg, there's two of them!? |
| 10:50.54 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Wake up or at least try and keep up |
| 10:51.58 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: i've only got 4k of memory, though :( |
| 10:52.36 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Wow 4k! its a beast |
| 10:53.23 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: why, thank you, I haven't heard that since Friday night :P |
| 10:54.43 | hali | hm, our hp3000 is acting up :/ |
| 10:54.52 | hali | speaking of 4k of memory |
| 10:55.17 | bilarh_ | man, foo fighters are *so* good |
| 10:55.25 | hali | alright |
| 10:55.32 | Armand | ok guys, question.. |
| 10:55.47 | Armand | what should I get myself for my birthday? |
| 10:55.59 | Armand | upgrades for main PC, or bits for laptop? |
| 10:56.14 | bilarh_ | armand: is it worth upgrading a pc? |
| 10:56.20 | Armand | Yeah.. |
| 10:56.25 | bilarh_ | armand: i tend to find it's just easier to buy a new one usually |
| 10:56.41 | Armand | I have a limited budget.. |
| 10:56.53 | bilarh_ | what's your current spec? |
| 10:57.13 | Armand | Athlon XP 2Ghz, 1GB RAM, 160GB HD, etc.. |
| 10:57.21 | hali | but lots of memory, costs close to nothing these days |
| 10:57.31 | hali | hm, i'd buy a x2 cpu and 2gb additional ram |
| 10:57.34 | hali | on a budget that is |
| 10:57.34 | Armand | 1GB DDR2 Corsair, £18. :D |
| 10:57.49 | bilarh_ | damn, that really *is* cheap :D |
| 10:58.08 | Armand | I'm thinking: At64 x2 4000+, 1GB DDR2, NF3/AGP motherboard. |
| 10:58.28 | hali | do you really need to replace the motherboard? |
| 10:58.35 | Armand | Erm, Yeah! |
| 10:58.52 | Armand | different CPU socket & RAM. |
| 10:59.11 | hali | are you on socket 757 or something? |
| 10:59.21 | Armand | Socket A.. |
| 10:59.29 | hali | ooh |
| 10:59.34 | bilarh_ | hey guys, you know the top500 computer list... do all the entries "appear" to be one computer, or how does it work? |
| 10:59.34 | hali | fine, get a new motherboard :D |
| 10:59.38 | Armand | :) |
| 10:59.49 | hali | bilarh_: most are parallell systems |
| 10:59.55 | Armand | I've found the one I want. |
| 11:00.22 | hali | bilarh_: bilarh_ bluegene and almost all linux setups are parallell with "individual memory" |
| 11:00.37 | hali | only the high end SGI, Cray, NEC etc is shared memory systems |
| 11:00.43 | hali | s/is/are/ |
| 11:00.59 | bilarh_ | hali: ah ok... so it's just a bunch of computer nodes then, really |
| 11:01.19 | hali | linpack runs both on shared and parallell setups so as long they can complete that they are eligable for the list |
| 11:01.22 | hali | yep |
| 11:01.28 | hali | with fancy interconnects |
| 11:01.42 | hali | infiniband or sci or something like that |
| 11:01.53 | bilarh_ | ah ok... |
| 11:02.05 | Armand | http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=AM2NF3-VSTA |
| 11:03.01 | hali | Armand: looks cool, i'd go for 2gb+ ram if you can afford it tho... 1gb is cutting it a bit short these days |
| 11:03.05 | hali | Armand: and ram is cheapo |
| 11:03.18 | Armand | true, but it depends on the money, really.. |
| 11:03.38 | Armand | I've only got about £120 to spend, and I need some other stuff too |
| 11:03.42 | hali | bilarh_: perhaps you should kick off a linpack over all your nodes :) |
| 11:04.11 | Armand | motherboard = £35, RAM = £18, CPU = £44. :) |
| 11:04.59 | bilarh_ | hali: yeah i was thinking that :D |
| 11:05.01 | hali | it's quite latency sensitive though... and needs a nice scheduler |
| 11:05.42 | hali | mpp/bps |
| 11:05.47 | hali | i wonder if anyone still uses bps |
| 11:06.24 | bilarh_ | looking at that list, we come quite high up for just the uk centre :P |
| 11:06.29 | bilarh_ | http://www.top500.org/list/2007/06/100 |
| 11:06.36 | bilarh_ | assuming what they told me was correct, that is |
| 11:07.57 | hali | cpu count isn't everything |
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| 11:08.10 | bilarh_ | no not cpu count |
| 11:08.24 | bilarh_ | i heard some numbers banded about, but i don't know how accurate they are |
| 11:08.31 | bilarh_ | i'm gonna look further into it |
| 11:08.53 | bilarh_ | i bet there are lots of clusters that aren't on that list, though, held by private companies |
| 11:09.45 | hali | yeah, with "non-standard" load capabilities ... so they wouldn't get the same score with linpack even if they are twice as fast |
| 11:10.33 | hali | there's a biomedial compute appliance capabable of somthing like 50Tflop compute power but since it can't run their benchmark it's not allowed on the list |
| 11:14.14 | Ch0Hag | Is anyone unfortunate enough to know C++? |
| 11:14.41 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: i know some c if that's of any use to you? |
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| 11:15.00 | Ch0Hag | No, I know C well enough myself. |
| 11:15.11 | Ch0Hag | I'm wondering about the distrubution of code & prototypes. |
| 11:15.28 | Ch0Hag | In C only a fool would put even the simplest code (aside from macros) in a header file. |
| 11:15.39 | Ch0Hag | That seems to be common in C++ and I'm wondering if I've missed anything. |
| 11:15.42 | bilarh_ | *wosh* straight over my head :-) |
| 11:16.41 | Ch0Hag | I suspect what I've missed is that most C++ coders are fools, but it's that large a proportion that it's making me unsure. |
| 11:19.14 | hali | you could always do the right thing and switch to java |
| 11:19.19 | hali | ant files are soooo much easier to write |
| 11:19.27 | hali | if you need generated code that is |
| 11:19.41 | bilarh_ | write it in perl instead |
| 11:19.53 | Ch0Hag | I don't think it is possible in the English language to put enough derision in any reply to that. |
| 11:19.56 | Ch0Hag | (hali) |
| 11:20.35 | hali | i was hoping for that ;) |
| 11:21.11 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: i was hoping for a sarky comment from you, so that I could whack you over the head with a camel, but ooooh no! |
| 11:21.27 | Ch0Hag | No, perl rocks. |
| 11:21.33 | hali | things to tend to be very complcated and time consuming in c/c++ .. hence it's useless for quick pace, time to market projects |
| 11:21.37 | Ch0Hag | I don't think I'd like to write GL rendering code in it though. |
| 11:21.46 | hali | java 3d ;) |
| 11:21.50 | hali | great api |
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| 11:22.59 | hali | linux people often missunderstand java, usually due to horrid applet experiences in their youth |
| 11:23.08 | hali | which is understandable |
| 11:23.32 | Ch0Hag | I dislike Java because I find the language unpleasant. |
| 11:23.34 | bilarh_ | i sort of gave up on java back in 1998 or something... it seemed too slow and crashed all the time :-) |
| 11:24.01 | hali | yep, applet injury :) |
| 11:24.40 | hali | note to self, stop doing huge batch loads in sybase with only one database engine online |
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| 11:31.42 | hali | ffs this is slow |
| 11:32.13 | hali | it could be the ancient hardware i'm using to process this data or it could be that fact that i forgot to bounce sybase after tweaking the settings... or both |
| 11:32.14 | dick_turpin | What's slow? |
| 11:32.17 | hali | probably both |
| 11:32.24 | dick_turpin | Ah |
| 11:32.26 | hali | i'm converting some data using sybase |
| 11:32.29 | hali | on a sun 420r |
| 11:32.33 | Ch0Hag | You should be using perl. |
| 11:32.45 | hali | unfortunatly perl can't read sybase 11 data dumps |
| 11:33.04 | hali | nor can it read the transact-sql procedures i've already written |
| 11:33.15 | hali | nor can i (easily) connect to it from oracle |
| 11:33.29 | hali | i would use postgresql with dbi-link to do the last bit |
| 11:33.34 | hali | which would be perl :) |
| 11:33.49 | Ch0Hag | Excuses... |
| 11:34.15 | hali | i have nothing against perl, but i find the perl monger "use perl for everything" mentality quite funny |
| 11:34.54 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: You big bottom boil, what you up to? |
| 11:35.41 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: Awaiting a reply back RE perl talk |
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| 11:39.43 | Ch0Hag | [How] Can you have emacs open multiple files simultaneously without using gnuserv? |
| 11:48.13 | wethrin | Um? |
| 11:48.20 | wethrin | C-c C-f - open file |
| 11:48.33 | wethrin | it'll create a new buffer and load the file into that |
| 11:48.41 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Hi Ya |
| 11:49.03 | wethrin | hi dick_turpin |
| 11:49.44 | wethrin | :) |
| 11:52.46 | gregj | where in UK should I look for a packing paper ? |
| 11:52.59 | wethrin | an office store? |
| 11:53.07 | wethrin | (Staples / Office World / Rymans) |
| 11:53.09 | gregj | I need to wrap my guitar(s) cases, and iMac's box - so that I canpost it without anyone peeking at it |
| 11:53.18 | gregj | ok, cheers |
| 11:53.19 | wethrin | What exactly do you need? |
| 11:53.22 | wethrin | brown parcel paper? |
| 11:53.27 | gregj | yup |
| 11:54.08 | wethrin | yeah, they should be fine. Or just the Post Office |
| 12:00.06 | cpufreak | bilarh_: about? |
| 12:13.50 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: yep |
| 12:13.56 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: writing some tcl stuff |
| 12:14.44 | bilarh_ | gregj: be warned, the post office will rape you for anything stationary wise |
| 12:16.41 | gregj | I need to send 3 hudge bags to .pl via parcel force |
| 12:16.48 | gregj | they will rape me - I know |
| 12:18.58 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: alas, what i write is mainly crap |
| 12:19.30 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: i got mine as a gift set for someone, but then i decided to keep it in case i ever needed to do sales or similar |
| 12:20.20 | bilarh_ | winston, is that you? |
| 12:22.00 | bilarh_ | what's going on? the canteen has actually managed to cook something that tastes nice |
| 12:22.41 | bilarh_ | currently enjoying my pasta carbonara... the only thing that lets it down is that it's a bit over salted and that it's served in a styrofoam box with plastic cuttlery |
| 12:22.55 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Artificial flavouring |
| 12:23.59 | bilarh_ | that's ok, i'll soon be in an MSG induced highness and forget all about it |
| 12:24.11 | bilarh_ | only a couple of more spoonfulls, and then *bliss* |
| 12:26.25 | cpufreak | http://nurburgr.ing.me.uk/stuff/PA2_0529R.jpg |
| 12:26.28 | cpufreak | me in the rear |
| 12:26.36 | cpufreak | tandem drifting at a mercedes test facility on sunday |
| 12:26.54 | z00dax | driving beamers ? |
| 12:27.08 | bilarh_ | cpufreak: nice :D |
| 12:28.37 | cpufreak | z00dax: drving our own cars. |
| 12:28.47 | cpufreak | bilarh_: not guilty! |
| 12:29.09 | bilarh_ | i wasn't insinuating anything, for once ;-) |
| 12:29.13 | z00dax | cpufreak: ah right. must have been fun! |
| 12:30.25 | cpufreak | lots of fun |
| 12:30.57 | bilarh_ | i need to get my arse out of gear and go on a track day soon... i feel like i'm missing out |
| 12:31.37 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Maybe cpufreak could chase you in his beamer? |
| 12:32.38 | bilarh_ | i don't like embarrassing myself unnecessarily :P |
| 12:34.21 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: If cpufreak clips-you-a-goodun I'll split the insurance with him that I took out on you ;-) |
| 12:35.12 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: oi! shut your face or i'll get my 12 year old bruv to do you one over! |
| 12:35.47 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Ha well my dad is bigger.... you know the drill? |
| 12:36.24 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: and my mum is bigger than your dad! beat that! |
| 12:37.36 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: S'bit harsh talking about your mums size on an open channel? |
| 12:44.03 | bilarh_ | *burp* Now that I've finished the "Carbonara du Paradis" I'll be bigger than all of you |
| 12:47.23 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Oi Fat Boy :-P |
| 12:47.47 | bilarh_ | shut up, or I'll jump and you'll fall over and hit your head |
| 12:48.18 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I doubt it'll do any internal damage ;-) |
| 12:48.39 | bilarh_ | true, it's probably solid bone anyway |
| 12:49.18 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Nope but there is plenty of tumble weed rolling around in there |
| 12:50.32 | bilarh_ | i prefer my vast emptyness, meself |
| 12:56.47 | boudiccas | children, children! play nicely! :) |
| 12:57.31 | dick_turpin | xteddy: hug boudiccas |
| 12:57.32 | xteddy | :) |
| 12:57.59 | bilarh_ | boudiccas: up yours, grandma! |
| 12:59.13 | bilarh_ | hmm... what's going on... i'm like a 6 year old lately :-) |
| 12:59.22 | bilarh_ | my mental age finally caught up with me |
| 12:59.26 | boudiccas | its all hormonal. |
| 12:59.34 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Wadda you mean lately? |
| 13:00.00 | boudiccas | you have a surge of testosterone every time the tide comes in at wapping |
| 13:00.51 | bilarh_ | boudiccas: ah, what does this toblerone do, precisely? |
| 13:01.39 | boudiccas | it gives you a triangular fix of choclate |
| 13:02.18 | bilarh_ | of course! which leads to a sugar rush |
| 13:02.25 | bilarh_ | which is why i feel dizzy |
| 13:02.36 | bilarh_ | thank you, boudiccas, now i understand what's going on :D |
| 13:03.01 | boudiccas | bilarh_: wish i did with irssi |
| 13:03.25 | bilarh_ | my tip is to just join one channel at first, and then to pry the / key from the keyboard |
| 13:03.32 | bilarh_ | using a plastic fork or spoon works well for the purpose |
| 13:04.51 | boudiccas | bilarh_: is that because they only 'allow' you a plstic fork or spoon but not a platic knife??? |
| 13:04.55 | boudiccas | :) |
| 13:05.08 | boudiccas | *plastic |
| 13:05.51 | bilarh_ | boudiccas: i tell you, spreading butter on a slice of toast with a fork is hell! |
| 13:08.02 | Armand|AFK | try a spoon.. |
| 13:08.49 | boudiccas | hold the bowl and spread using the handle, its easier |
| 13:09.09 | bilarh_ | boudiccas: good point |
| 13:09.20 | boudiccas | right, now to sort the bot out |
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| 13:10.18 | Armand | anyone got an ATI 2400 Pro? |
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| 13:21.45 | Ch0Hag | Use the other end of the fork. |
| 13:21.59 | Ch0Hag | Oh we did that. |
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| 13:45.57 | Leeds | http://www.euronext.com/news/companypressrelease/companypressrelease.jsp?lan=NL&docid=443573&cha=1721 |
| 13:46.12 | Leeds | guess that means I'm now an employee of Hyro |
| 13:49.36 | goibhnir | is that why the guys in your office were posting on facebook that they were about to be fired? |
| 13:49.50 | Leeds | not quite |
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| 13:54.15 | Leeds | I think that was more an end-of-project thing when it came down to it |
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| 13:55.23 | Leeds | AFAIK none of them have been fired, and with our current rate of attrition, I doubt there'll be many firings soon - in fact, the manager who would have been doing the firing is leaving this week, for personal reasons |
| 13:57.18 | goibhnir | ... then they bring in the consultants |
| 13:57.26 | goibhnir | then they steal your stapler |
| 13:57.32 | goibhnir | I've seen it all before |
| 13:58.35 | boudiccas | how do you get irssi to give you a list of the channel members again please??? |
| 13:58.45 | goibhnir | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:58.57 | boudiccas | ah, brilliant thanks |
| 13:59.03 | goibhnir | yw |
| 13:59.25 | goibhnir | I'm getting used to it ... it's nice alright |
| 13:59.27 | Leeds | there is a reasonable chance I'll be part of the attrition |
| 13:59.38 | goibhnir | apparently bitlbee also supports file transfers |
| 14:00.01 | goibhnir | which is more than I can say for my gaim :) |
| 14:07.02 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: That'll be £3000 introduction fee then please |
| 14:11.46 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: Can you do the pound sign in irssi? mine stuck that odd character in front |
| 14:11.51 | goibhnir | £ |
| 14:12.11 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: S'funny innit? |
| 14:12.21 | goibhnir | I think only you is seein it |
| 14:13.10 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: Hm, are you saying that its irssi specific? |
| 14:14.00 | goibhnir | try /set term_charset utf-8 |
| 14:14.41 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: £ |
| 14:14.53 | goibhnir | £_£ |
| 14:14.54 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: Nope |
| 14:15.10 | boudiccas | £0.00 like that?? |
| 14:15.16 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: Aaargghh |
| 14:15.23 | goibhnir | I could tell you ... but I'd need to issue a purchase order first |
| 14:15.38 | goibhnir | all them £s look good to me |
| 14:15.47 | boudiccas | dick_turpin: how come i can make the pound sign but you cant? |
| 14:15.58 | goibhnir | haha! |
| 14:15.58 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: Na "Well carry on using it it still works" |
| 14:16.29 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Go on then |
| 14:16.52 | goibhnir | dick_turpin: could be your terminal system settings |
| 14:17.06 | boudiccas | ££££££ or $$$$$ |
| 14:17.30 | goibhnir | +or |
| 14:17.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: See you have that A with a squiggle too |
| 14:17.41 | goibhnir | have a look at `locale` maybe? |
| 14:18.16 | boudiccas | dick_turpin: so you don't read it as a pound sign then, but i do! weird! |
| 14:18.17 | goibhnir | if you have en_GB.utf8 all over the place, then that isn't a problem |
| 14:18.51 | goibhnir | 13 is this pink? |
| 14:18.53 | Armand | yes |
| 14:18.56 | goibhnir | hehe |
| 14:19.01 | boudiccas | more like a light purple |
| 14:19.06 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: Yes |
| 14:19.09 | boudiccas | but it /is/ pink |
| 14:19.39 | boudiccas | i like the simplicity theme |
| 14:20.17 | Armand | Right, I'm done with LOTR for today.. |
| 14:20.22 | goibhnir | does that give each nick a different colour? |
| 14:20.25 | boudiccas | their easy to use, just ... /set theme simplicity.theme ... or whichever you want |
| 14:20.56 | goibhnir | ah cool ... have you got a link to it handy? |
| 14:21.06 | goibhnir | I don't seem to have any themes by default |
| 14:21.13 | Armand | outta here, laters all. :) |
| 14:21.22 | boudiccas | nope, i don't like the different colours. themes come from the irssi main site |
| 14:21.32 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: yes and no. you and boudiccas are red in mine but change colours depending on what YOU are doing |
| 14:21.35 | goibhnir | ah cheers |
| 14:21.52 | goibhnir | yeah .. I prefer each nick having their very own random colour |
| 14:22.02 | goibhnir | I guess that requires perl |
| 14:22.09 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I'm using evolution.theme |
| 14:22.25 | dick_turpin | goibhnir: Yes |
| 14:34.07 | dick_turpin | can some explain why this is funny? http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2007/10/16/the-truth-about-the-internet/ |
| 14:34.14 | boudiccas | dick_turpin: i prefer the simplistic theme |
| 14:35.14 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Cool, I like colourful text so I'm happy with mine |
| 14:36.35 | boudiccas | i prefer the black text on a white background, nice and simple, like me :)) |
| 14:39.37 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I've been rubbing shoulders with the Big Boys on #irssi |
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| 15:07.13 | wethrin | black text on white background is horrid, if it's a transmissive background |
| 15:21.52 | goibhnir | oh no it's not |
| 15:22.48 | dick_turpin | Oh yes it is |
| 15:24.50 | goibhnir | red text on a green background on a tv ... how about that? |
| 15:45.20 | zmey_gorynych | goibhni1:> red text looks very sabayonish. :) hello |
| 15:52.02 | goibhnir | zmey_gorynych: ah cool ... that's all red+black is it? (like the website) |
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| 15:54.12 | zmey_gorynych | goibhnir:> channel become too much into irssi. even i played a bit. i like kurja-round theme. |
| 15:56.31 | goibhnir | do you like it? |
| 15:59.10 | zmey_gorynych | it's strange. i discovered it couple of days before the major discussion start on the channel and i had no gui on debian testing. than i installed gnome and stoped playing with it. yes. i like it |
| 16:00.55 | zmey_gorynych | i prefer to run it on top of the screen. looks nicer. and i have a bit of space for terminal as well. |
| 16:04.34 | zmey_gorynych | goibhnir:> that what i mean sabayonish. look at the colour palette http://www.sabayonlinux.org/ |
| 16:08.00 | goibhnir | I guess that'd be a cool theme |
| 16:08.49 | zmey_gorynych | i love it |
| 16:13.17 | zmey_gorynych | what i like about gentoo and sabayon, i told you, is their grate frame buffer themes on tty1. |
| 16:14.21 | goibhnir | what's the default wallpaper like? ... I stumbled on http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/3726/untitled1nn8.jpg |
| 16:15.05 | goibhnir | it's certainly a nice change from the mac like backgrounds a lot of distros seem to have |
| 16:15.09 | zmey_gorynych | beaut |
| 16:15.50 | zmey_gorynych | i will show you mine in a sec |
| 16:20.58 | zmey_gorynych | http://87.127.26.43/~ARTIMAG/Hemiptera%20Cicadidae%201280x96.jpg |
| 16:21.15 | zmey_gorynych | i used to use this 1 a lot. |
| 16:22.17 | zmey_gorynych | now i have top green bottom dark blue solid colour with vertical gradient. nothing fancy. |
| 16:25.02 | goibhnir | ah ... nice |
| 16:26.42 | zmey_gorynych | it doesnt look awfully grate in the browser window. much better as a background |
| 16:35.57 | goibhnir | it's nice ... it takes quite a bit of effort to get a consistent theme though |
| 16:36.32 | goibhnir | and despite the five million backgrounds and gtk themes etc ... I find it hard to get anything decent |
| 16:40.25 | zmey_gorynych | goibhnir:> i can't agree more here. that's why i stop using pictures for desktop. |
| 16:41.27 | zmey_gorynych | goibhni1:> you remember i told you my wife won Adobe contents, i want to show off :) to display winning pictures |
| 16:41.50 | zmey_gorynych | s/contents/contest/ |
| 16:42.14 | goibhnir | ah yeah |
| 16:42.23 | zmey_gorynych | opps well done ibot |
| 16:42.44 | zmey_gorynych | http://public.fotki.com/VooDooEyeZ/contest-entries/adobe-contest-/ |
| 16:44.47 | goibhnir | very cool |
| 16:45.42 | zmey_gorynych | thx. i feel better now :) |
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| 17:03.05 | Armand | WOOF! |
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| 17:59.19 | zmey_gorynych | Mac Os X 10.5 has arrived. |
| 18:01.10 | wethrin | no ti hasn't |
| 18:01.22 | zmey_gorynych | i mean nearly |
| 18:01.36 | wethrin | 9 days 22 hours 58 minutes... |
| 18:01.41 | wethrin | (and change) |
| 18:02.03 | wethrin | hometime! |
| 18:03.18 | zmey_gorynych | but why do they do this? single user version, family of 5 version.? :) what if i have bigger family? or family of 6 is not into apple standards? WTF |
| 18:03.52 | Armand | oh.. dear.. |
| 18:04.29 | zmey_gorynych | Armand:> how big is your family? is your family apple-friendly one? |
| 18:05.17 | Armand | oh geez.. deffo not Apple spec. |
| 18:05.35 | Armand | I'm the 3rd of 5 brothers, for 1. |
| 18:06.13 | zmey_gorynych | sure apple mac not for you than. |
| 18:06.24 | Armand | of course not.. |
| 18:06.28 | zmey_gorynych | :) |
| 18:06.44 | Armand | home build PCs for teh winz! :D |
| 18:10.12 | zmey_gorynych | they sent me a spam asking to shell £128 on large family pack of 5 noobs |
| 18:11.49 | Armand | thats not bad, for all the fun you can have. |
| 18:19.01 | goibhnir | probably the most creative thing you can do with a mac ... http://www.instructables.com/id/Modified-desk-lamp-iMac-style/ |
| 18:20.46 | zmey_gorynych | impressive |
| 18:21.47 | zmey_gorynych | i nailed my mac on the wall. looks nice. |
| 18:22.24 | Armand | nail gun, ftw! |
| 18:23.00 | zmey_gorynych | i mean ibook screen. |
| 18:23.02 | goibhnir | they'd make nice toilet seats I guess |
| 18:23.37 | zmey_gorynych | goibhnir:> nice match to the loo seat. |
| 18:23.54 | goibhnir | finally ... the iCrap |
| 18:24.04 | zmey_gorynych | :)) |
| 18:24.25 | Armand | I thought that was the first model? |
| 18:25.14 | goibhnir | I hear the new osx is incredible though |
| 18:25.28 | goibhnir | they've got this cool application for the iCamera |
| 18:25.41 | goibhnir | it displays what the iCamera sees on the screen! |
| 18:25.41 | zmey_gorynych | Armand:> if you about crucified model that was my last mac. |
| 18:25.54 | Armand | shibby! |
| 18:26.21 | Armand | where's my hammer? |
| 18:26.26 | zmey_gorynych | goibhnir:> really? i can't believe it. |
| 18:27.46 | goibhnir | "photo booth" oddly named ... the good thing about it is that you can make yourself look really fat |
| 18:28.04 | zmey_gorynych | goibhnir:> is it sort of screen capture? |
| 18:28.51 | goibhnir | there's no other word for it "photo booth" .... there has never been anything like it before |
| 18:29.47 | zmey_gorynych | it has special effect where i made myself look with only one nostril :) |
| 18:30.28 | zmey_gorynych | cyclops look like :) |
| 18:30.33 | goibhnir | I don't think so ... I think it has 4 effects ... best not to confuse people |
| 18:31.20 | zmey_gorynych | you right here. some of the workmates start look strange at me now. |
| 18:32.01 | goibhnir | hehe |
| 18:32.11 | Armand | brb, reboot |
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| 18:34.01 | zmey_gorynych | goibhnir:> i'm going to guildford for a slug /bring a box/ meeting on 20/ |
| 18:34.45 | goibhnir | interesting |
| 18:35.39 | zmey_gorynych | they have it in university IT department |
| 18:36.25 | goibhnir | it that slug as in nslu2 boxes? |
| 18:36.25 | zmey_gorynych | this is the merit living in between |
| 18:36.42 | goibhnir | or is it a lug? |
| 18:37.01 | zmey_gorynych | surrey lug |
| 18:37.50 | goibhnir | ahh .. cool |
| 18:38.28 | zmey_gorynych | their irs sucks, open on wednesdays evening. whnt to meet some of their ppls |
| 18:39.25 | zmey_gorynych | ok. need to run/ |
| 18:39.51 | goibhnir | bai |
| 18:40.09 | zmey_gorynych | bai |
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| 20:48.56 | goibhnir | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=869&num=1 "ASUS Motherboard Ships With Embedded Linux" |
| 20:49.57 | Armand | Is this the shitty "gotta have Windows to update it" version? |
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