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07:17.01bilarhcpufreak: am now
07:19.16DiscordianMorning
07:20.56bilarhmorning disco
07:21.06bilarhibot: dictionary discordian
07:21.06ibotsee dict discordian
07:21.13bilarhibot: dict discordian
07:21.24bilarhibot: you're so helpful!
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07:27.18bilarhibot: dict discordianism
07:28.04bilarhhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism    "zen for roundeyes" *rotfl*
07:33.57Discordianlol
08:17.48cpufreakbilarh: http://nurburgr.ing.me.uk/stuff/PA2_0466D.jpg
08:19.38bilarhcpufreak: nice one :D
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09:24.19niv_one_threewas last night "good" to any of you guys? (I am tring to establish a astrology theory)
09:31.12goibhniuniv_one_three: for me .. it was mostly shit
09:31.48bilarhniv_one_three: what's the theory?
09:35.46bilarhhmm... if you were an admin and you saw this google search in your firewall logs, would you be a bit suspicious:  "expect multiple spawn"?
09:36.45niv_one_threehah?
09:37.00niv_one_threewell mercury is distancing
09:37.39niv_one_threenow I dont care for astrology, its just that when I woke on Sat morning, the radio kept telling me stuff
09:37.51niv_one_threeshould avoid it in the future
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09:38.44zmey_gorynychniv_one_three:> so, does it mean there will be no profit?
09:46.18goibhniumy gf is into that crap ... afaik it means communication will be difficult ... bad time for signing contracts, signs will be misleading etc
09:46.31goibhniuIMO believing is seeing
09:47.48bilarhwell, imo it's all bollox, but i enjoy reading the 'horoscope' in the metro in the mornings :-D
09:47.55goibhniue.g. last night someone kicked the phone cable out of the socket, meaning we were offline for a while ... tada! must be mercury's fault!
09:48.08z00daxgoibhniu: are you speaking on nov 10th ?
09:48.31goibhniumy gf used to argue that it was interesting because it was so ambiguous that you read into it whatever you felt
09:48.40bilarhgoibhniu: exactly :-)
09:48.51goibhniunow she seems to believe a bit more ... which is scary
09:48.55goibhniuz00dax: ok
09:49.24goibhniuz00dax: nah I better not .. people will think gllug is boring
09:50.20goibhniuI bet bilarh could give a great talk tho
09:50.26niv_one_threedo we now have any clues as to why morsing disappeared?
09:50.38goibhniuhe doesn't like us
09:50.49bilarhgoibhniu: maybe i could do a talk on inappropraite jokes
09:51.04bilarhor just talk random crap, like i usually do
09:51.13goibhniubilarh: have you given a talk before?
09:51.15bilarhdoes ranting on about something constitute a "talk"?
09:51.27bilarhnot for gllug, no
09:51.31z00daxbilarh: is that 'talk like i usually do' or 'random crap' ?
09:51.41z00daxso i know what to put down in the official announcement next to your name
09:51.53bilarhz00dax ;-)
09:52.02bilarhi used to lecture at uni, for my sins
09:52.05z00daxbilarh: no really, you should do a talk
09:52.09bilarhon what?
09:52.17z00daxwhat are you keen on ?
09:52.35bilarhboobs, mainly, but i don't think that is your preferred subject, eh?
09:52.44niv_one_threeQOS?
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09:52.51bilarherm, that came out wrong :P
09:52.59goibhniuholy crap! ... you were a lecturer!
09:53.17bilarhgoibhniu: only for about half a year, evening lectures only (short courses
09:53.18bilarh)
09:53.22goibhniucan't you give a talk on bash or something?
09:53.49bilarhi did do one on bash scripting once, but i don't think my students understood what i was on about...
09:54.02bilarhwhat level should you pitch it at?
09:54.26bilarhgoibhniu: and what do you mean "holy crap!"? :-)
09:54.33goibhniufor bash? ... I guess you can assume people can edit text files?
09:54.53bilarhhmm
09:55.27goibhniubilarh: holy crap ... as in ... why haven't you given a talk yet!
09:55.30bilarhsee the problem with "bash scripting" as a subject is that the toolkit is too big
09:55.38bilarhoh, i'm not that good a lecturer...
09:55.49bilarhas i said, i just did short courses
09:55.49zmey_gorynychbilarh:> are sed an awk used nowadays? if yes, is it worth to mention it on gllug?
09:55.57bilarhzmey: yeah of course
09:56.11bilarhzmey: that's exactly what i mean... sed and awk could use two lectures each, easily
09:56.39goibhniubilarh: is there anything linuxy that you're interested in showing off?
09:57.11zmey_gorynychi'm just trying to figure the matter out. start even read some books.
09:57.11bilarhgoibhniu: i don't know... i don't feel comfortable enough to show off my 'own work', if you know what i mean
09:57.16bilarhin my experience so far, most people aren't interested in what i'm interested in, if you see what i mean
09:57.56goibhniubilarh: humans! :(
09:58.12bilarhfor example, i could probably rabbit on about the merits of different locking mechanisms in scripting (which i find quite interesting), where as most people would find it boring :-)
09:58.28goibhniuyes I remember you posting something about that
09:58.36goibhniuI didn't understand what it was about
09:58.41bilarhand i remember the overwhelming lack of response :-D
09:58.58goibhniubut I would like to see a demo of it
09:58.58zmey_gorynychbilarh:> that would be enormous help if somebody could talk a bit on awk, sed, bash scripting
09:59.22bilarhhmm, i don't know if i have time at the moment... i'm studying at the moment as well
09:59.30bilarhwhen was it, did you say?
09:59.55bilarhand where is it?
09:59.56goibhniubilarh: recently a guy gave a talk on a python gui toolkit he wrote ... and he was blown out of it ... "why didn't you just use ... blah (you idiot)"
10:00.08goibhniuit looked cool tho (to me)
10:00.15goibhniuNov 10th
10:00.20bilarhgoibhniu: nice... that's another reason i wouldn't want to do it, to be honest
10:00.44goibhniuyeah, people suck
10:01.26bilarhgoibhniu: to be honest, i think that if that happened to me, it would end with me saying something along the lines of "if you don't like it, f00k off!" which would make me look quite stupid indeed :)
10:02.00goibhniuif a fight broke out ... I'd back you up
10:02.05goibhniuyou've got good kung fu
10:02.11bilarhhehe :P
10:02.50bilarhmaybe we'd end up in the news paper.... "nerds in lecture bash"
10:04.43goibhniuI want to record the next one (if the speakers agree) on video
10:05.07goibhniua snuff talk would make excellent footage
10:05.40zmey_ggoibhniu:> this is brilliant idea. guys on slug do recording as well
10:06.03goibhniudo they bring knives?
10:06.21zmey_g:) why?
10:06.49goibhniufor action footage
10:08.14zmey_gno. some of the might bring Katana swords though
10:08.37goibhniuwell ... we've got a sniper!
10:09.02zmey_gyeah. i used to be a very good at it
10:09.06goibhniuare they looking for a fight?
10:11.48zmey_gthere will be no fight. but slotter
10:17.35goibhniuboudiccas: morsing asked me to ping you
10:18.11zmey_ga friend installed mac os x on pc with minor problems
10:18.50goibhniuetorix: has is on an amd64 afaik
10:18.56goibhniuit's perverted IMO
10:19.24zmey_ggoibhniu:> i just didn't know this is possible
10:21.06zmey_gwithout harakiri technique.
10:21.48goibhniumany things are possible ... some day we'll have cow-chickens
10:22.14zmey_gi hope they wont fly
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10:36.38goibhniuxteddy: yo
10:36.38xteddy:)
10:53.34zmey_ggoibhniu:> http://stream.xtcradio.com:8069/listen.pls
10:54.36goibhniuzmey_g: thanks ... I can't listen now tho
10:56.31Ch0Haghttp://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071018
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11:06.22ArmandHi all. :)
11:07.48zmey_ghi Armand
11:08.44Armand:)
11:09.32ArmandHows things?
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11:10.13zmey_gthins are no good. i burned me toast just now.
11:10.25bilarhsomeone give me 3k for a new gearbox, please?
11:10.37Armandhehe
11:10.44Armandto both. :P
11:12.48zmey_gbilarh:> 3k for a new gearbox?
11:13.04Armanderm, ouch?
11:13.19bilarhzmey: it's an ever so slightly stronger than standard gearbox
11:14.48zmey_gok. so it's new and non standard. 3k ? still a bit pricey
11:16.42Armanddepends.. I dread to think how much Audi's DSG 'boxes cost!
11:16.48bilarhzmey: it should handle drag starts fine with about 450bhp, though :)
11:17.15ArmandNoice!
11:17.27zmey_g450!!!
11:17.48bilarhi'm not anywhere near 450 yet, mind
11:18.00bilarhbut if it can handle that, then it shouldn't break during my normal antics
11:18.06zmey_gbilarh:> you sure it'a a car?
11:18.22bilarhit has a body shell and four wheels :-)
11:18.30bilarhand it used to have an MOT up to today :-)
11:18.52zmey_gogo
11:19.11zmey_gs/ogo/wow/
11:19.32bilarhunfortunately bits are starting to break at the current level
11:19.39bilarhhttp://www.bilar.co.uk/subaru/graphs
11:19.51bilarhso i'm replacing them as they break
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11:22.01zmey_gif i accelerated with 2.9 sec i would swallow my tong perhaps.
11:23.37zmey_gbilarh:> i hope this accelerating rate doesn't contradict to the Einstein theory
11:24.13bilarhzmey_g: it's 60-80mph in 2.9 seconds, mind
11:24.27zmey_gi read it
11:24.31goibhniudick_turpin: happy g-day
11:25.09bilarhzmey: the interesting bit is almost red-lining it in second, shifting to third and then the car still pulls exactly the same :D
11:25.24bilarhzmey: it doesn't make full boost in 1st or 2nd at the moment unfortunately
11:27.22dick_turpingoibhniu: Listening to LugRadio on me ipod
11:27.34goibhniuhehe
11:27.56goibhniuhave you heard the war between them and the linuxactionshow?
11:28.25zmey_gbilarh:> so is it subaru or bmw, as i saw on your pictures
11:28.31dick_turpingoibhniu: Ooh this sound fun. Are you gonna make me google for it?
11:28.41dick_turpinsounds
11:29.22goibhniudick_turpin: http://www.linuxactionshow.com
11:29.54goibhniuthere has been a bit of slagging going on for a while ... it seems to be heating up tho
11:30.35goibhniuI think you'll like it :)
11:30.46bilarhgoibhniu: reminds me of what an old wise man said to me once;  "people suck" :)
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11:32.53dick_turpingoibhniu: I'll need to stick that in me iTunes
11:33.23Armandffs, religious "discussion" in ##linux.. so fking retarded. :P
11:33.29goibhniudick_turpin: stop it with the iWords .. ok! I know you're looking for attention!
11:34.06dick_turpingoibhniu: What is this not an MS / Windows lovers channel?
11:34.12Armandlol
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11:35.15dick_turpinantiphase: You horrid man, I need to thank you
11:35.36antiphaseWhat for?
11:35.43wethrinantiphase: That wasn't back to the real world for very long
11:35.46wethrinWas it a particularly scary place?
11:36.23antiphaseSomewhat. AS an aside, if you ever want to try and do auto-away with a plug-in in irssi, DON'T.
11:36.30antiphaseIt completely fucks everything
11:36.35wethrinI don't like auto-away
11:36.38antiphaseHence my brief and total departure
11:36.44wethrinI often don't type for 10 minutes or more
11:37.16antiphaseThat's what I found, but after i removed it I was unable to un-away from some servers, and nothing I typed appeared in channel
11:37.27wethrinthat's broken
11:37.38dick_turpinantiphase: You converted me to irssi
11:37.48antiphaseBad Perl programmers are almost worse than PHP programmers
11:39.11bilarhthe key word being 'almost'
11:39.23bilarhi'll correct the whole sentence for you
11:39.33bilarhBad Perl programmers are almost worse than good PHP programmers
11:39.35bilarhthere :P
11:39.48antiphaseHeh
11:40.52bilarhgoibhniu: what's wrong with it?
11:41.17dick_turpingoibhniu: Why?
11:41.21goibhniuthe lag makes it suck massively
11:41.43antiphaseUse a smaller terminal :)
11:41.52wethrinno lag here
11:42.01wethrinwell, no significant lag
11:42.07dick_turpingoibhniu: Whats this lag everyone moans about? I never seem to have it
11:44.34bilarhbut the lag surely has nothing to do with irssi?
11:45.24ArmandI tried irssi last night.. O_o didn't like.
11:46.25dick_turpinArmand: I didn't at 1st but now I like it and I'm working on loving it
11:47.03Armandeach to thier own..
11:47.15antiphaseIt's best when you combine it with screen and a co-lo box
11:47.24antiphaseAlways-on IRC, from anywhere
11:47.47dick_turpinantiphase: I'm not good enough to use screen yet. Whats co-lo box?
11:48.29antiphaseA server belonging to you, co-located in some else's data centre
11:49.11dick_turpinantiphase: Hm, I was reading about bitlbee and the ability to use one on someone elses server
11:49.29antiphaseI also use bitlbee. It rules.
11:50.11dick_turpinantiphase: I installed it here but not too sure how to invoke it and irssi together
11:50.46antiphaseYou just use irssi to connect to the bitlbee "irc" server
11:51.11antiphaseso '/connect localhost' if it's on the same machine as your IRC client
11:52.35dick_turpinantiphase: Hm "connection refused" is that because httpd is not running?
11:53.27antiphasebitlbee is either a standalone server or invoked through [x]inetd, depending how you set it up
11:53.34antiphaseYou may need to start the daemon
11:53.53antiphaseIt's bitlbeed of course ;)
11:54.07dick_turpinantiphase: I did that yesterday and it said "Running as root why?"
11:54.24antiphaseDoesn't it have a proper startup script?
11:54.50antiphaseIT doesn't need to run as root to bind to port 6667, so you should add a dedicated user or run it as nobody
11:55.05dick_turpinantiphase: Hang on just re-read what you said, bitlbeed
11:55.36antiphaseI'd probably expect to find /etc/init.d/bitlbeed
11:56.53bilarhis bitlbee any good for msn nowadays?
11:57.25antiphaseWFM, as long as you just want to talk to people
11:57.33dick_turpinantiphase: That didn't work just looking at the man page
11:59.00bilarhi might have to give it a go actually
12:00.16dick_turpingoibhniu: Should've gone to specsavers
12:04.18dick_turpinantiphase: This may take a while, its a permissions issue. I only need it for some google.talk stuff
12:05.00zmey_ganybody run Jinzora?
12:06.05antiphasedick_turpin: You should probably start it manually or in debug mode to determine what's wrong
12:07.58dick_turpinantiphase: If I run it as 'sales' the error is "could not write to /var/lib (Blah blah)
12:08.17dick_turpinantiphase: If I run it as root the error is "Why"
12:08.24antiphaseIt will refuse to run as root iirc
12:08.43dick_turpinantiphase: Yeah thats cool and understandable
12:08.52antiphaseSo you need to create /var/lib/bitlbee or whatever it expects, then change the ownership to the user you run it as. Innit.
12:09.20dick_turpinantiphase: K
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12:16.31bilarhoh bugger, does bitlbee maintain blocked lists?
12:16.41bilarhi've been hiding for four years from this person on msn
12:19.19bilarhhmm, it does seem pretty cool though :D
12:20.08wethrinbilarh: I think so
12:20.21wethrinit gets the buddy lists off the MSN server, anyway
12:21.03bilarhok
12:21.29dick_turpinbilarh: Too late I've given them your home address :-P
12:23.01wethrinbitlbee Just Worked(TM) for me
12:23.24bilarhwethrin: yeah it works, alright :)
12:23.25benoystmorning
12:23.26dick_turpinwethrin: That's coz you're a jammy git
12:23.28niv_one_threewethrin: are you also a bitlbee user?
12:24.23wethrindick_turpin: That's because I use a sensible OS :-)
12:24.33wethrinit automatically set correct permissions
12:24.34wethrinniv_one_three: Aye
12:24.58niv_one_threewethrin: irssi too?
12:25.07wethrinyup
12:25.38niv_one_threeso, you do know why some lines appear at yellow, while I am not getting private messeges
12:25.50wethrinyeah, they'd contain your name
12:25.55wethrinOr at least any highlights you've set up
12:26.00niv_one_threeand also how to have my nickname password auto registr
12:26.27wethrinHaven't done that, so I don't know
12:26.42niv_one_threewhere can I set highlights? (I sware I didnt do it)
12:27.10wethrin/help hilight
12:27.22dick_turpinwethrin: /set recode off
12:28.10wethrinrecode?
12:28.55dick_turpinwethrin: Never mind, my fault idiot on the phone while I'm reading #irssi and try to sort crap out
12:29.04dick_turpintrying
12:31.17dick_turpinniv_one_three: You need a script for passwd register its on the site www.irssi.org/scripts
12:31.46niv_one_threethnaks dick
12:32.43niv_one_threebut its all in perl...
12:33.05boudiccasdick_turpin: /the/ irssi expert :) seriously it is good to help someone else out with software that you've only just learned :) well done :)
12:34.04dick_turpinboudiccas: My other nick is Billy-No-Mates I'm trying to ingratiate myself ;-)
12:35.41boudiccaslol
12:36.41Armandthe butler did it.. and, under the floorboards.
12:37.01boudiccasthe butler was provoked
12:37.12niv_one_threeI sware i didnt
12:37.15boudiccasand it was done with the lead piping behind the left ear
12:37.22Armandlies.. he was knobbing the maid and morsing caught them..
12:37.24niv_one_threeI was having a bath
12:37.34dick_turpinSo which one of you hard faced sods upset him then?
12:38.14boudiccasnot i said the pig
12:38.49dick_turpinWe'll I'm always nice to him
12:39.18boudiccaswe'' drink a drink to llily the pink the pink the savouir of the human race
12:42.14goibhniuboudiccas: morsing was wondering if you're getting his messages
12:42.22goibhniuI thought it might be irssi related
12:43.08dick_turpingoibhniu: Is he alive then?
12:43.31goibhniuundead probably
12:43.42goibhniuhe had chicken and chocolate for lunch
12:44.28dick_turpingoibhniu: With that combination he should be dead
12:45.04boudiccasgoibhniu: yes, everyhting in irssi is working well except for the spell checker :(
12:45.44goibhniuhmm .. aspeller worked fine for me ... but only in english
12:45.47dick_turpinboudiccas: My spellchecker is working, hence the improvement in my spelling (antiphase)
12:46.15boudiccasmy spell chucker doesn't seem to be working. is it an addon script?
12:47.00dick_turpinboudiccas: Rotflmao Yes!
12:47.58boudiccasdick_turpin: so whats it called instead of just laughing at me!???
12:48.32dick_turpinboudiccas: Show me the money! show me the money!
12:52.09boudiccasseems like there isnt a spell checker script for irssi, not that firefox could find on the scripts page
12:52.10dick_turpinboudiccas: http://www.nathancoad.com/aspeller.tar.gz
12:52.40dick_turpinboudiccas: Download that unpack it and do the README
12:53.47dick_turpinxteddy: Wheres me cuddle? (I know its a bot)
12:53.47xteddy:)
12:55.38boudiccasthere is no README in it, its just the perl script so i've put it in ./irssi/scripts/autorun/ so that next time i restart i can utilise it okay
12:56.23dick_turpinboudiccas: Please that's how I got divorced last time
12:57.02dick_turpinboudiccas: do /run aspeller
12:57.42boudiccashow do i check if its working after running it???
13:00.55dick_turpinboudiccas: Type something, should show up as a red block in the status bar
13:02.11boudiccassomething is wrong in what i ma rtyping
13:02.34boudiccasi didnt see anyting
13:02.53boudiccasno i see no correction or red block in the status bar
13:03.08dick_turpinboudiccas: Hm, do /load perl then /run aspeller
13:04.57boudiccasis tis riht
13:04.57dick_turpinboudiccas: Ah hang on it wont correct just highlight misspelt words
13:05.06boudiccasno change, still doesn't work for me. maybe it shouldnt be in autorun. maybe it doesnt work with the simplicity.theme
13:05.23boudiccasno it doesnt even highlight anything
13:05.38z00daxso, how do I add a keyboard shortcut in gnome ?
13:05.56boudiccasi make a deliberate mistake and it doesnt show up at all :(
13:06.32dick_turpinboudiccas: stick a copy in .irssi/scripts
13:08.01boudiccasdos this work? well i ran aspell after i'd put it in but i see no change, so not to worry, snafu
13:08.17z00daxdick_turpin: you have terrible suppliers
13:09.09goibhniuboudiccas: maybe you need to install aspell?
13:09.47z00daxgoibhniu: you are the gnome person!
13:09.55z00daxhow do i add a keyboard shortcut to launch a $app
13:09.57goibhniuz00dax: I'm on kde now :(
13:10.10z00daxgoibhniu: how very inconsiderate of you
13:10.10goibhniuand compiz does it's own thang
13:10.17z00daxI use metacity
13:10.19boudiccasdick_turpin: you muppet! getting me to run aspell when its called aspeller! now its working after running aspeller :))) problem solved
13:10.36goibhniuz00dax: there is a way though ... in settings->somewhere
13:10.51z00daxyou mean system -> preferences ?
13:11.14goibhniuI dunno
13:12.00z00daxah well, shall investigate later
13:12.17goibhniusorry ... I might try gnome again next week
13:12.37boudiccasboy! that coffee is hot! and it tastes even hotter going down
13:12.54dick_turpinboudiccas: Listen I'm busy placating morsing on a /p,m dealing with fault calls, shouting at my Director, trying to keep up with you lot sheesh!
13:14.15boudiccask, its not a problem dick_turpin , not at this end anyway, its working now, ty
13:14.40dick_turpinSo is it OK if I go for a wee and make a drink then?
13:15.12boudiccasonly if done in that order, fluid out before fluids in
13:15.42dick_turpinbrb
13:17.13boudiccasreminds me of the commode run just before lights out when i was on nights
13:22.12boudiccashow do you dcc chat with someone in irssi please?
13:22.32wethrin/help dcc
13:22.33wethrin:)
13:22.38wethrinI think just a /accept should work
13:23.12wethrin/dcc chat
13:24.07boudiccasty
13:30.41dick_turpinboudiccas: You getting /pmsg ?
13:31.21boudiccasdick_turpin: from whom? i've got one from morsing, but not you
13:31.40dick_turpinboudiccas: You've answered my question
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13:32.20boudiccasthats nice, as i haven't a clue what were talking about
13:32.28boudiccasevening Leeds
13:32.37Leedsevening boudiccas
13:34.01dick_turpinboudiccas: Its OK if you are now talking to morsing
13:34.10dick_turpingoibhniu:
13:34.37boudiccaswell, i answer his questions dick_turpin but its just like an ongoing conversation
13:35.09dick_turpinboudiccas: I don't think its fair for me to say anymore in an open channel
13:36.02boudiccasi now have a window in irssi open to q=11 x@channels.undernet.org that i cant access and cant close. any clues please??
13:36.14boudiccasdick_turpin: fair enough
13:36.24wethrinboudiccas: /win close
13:36.39dick_turpinnumber?
13:36.50boudiccasq=11
13:36.59wethrinerr
13:37.01boudiccaswc q=11
13:37.37boudiccasah, done it using /wc 11
13:38.25boudiccasthe more i play with irssi the more i realise how good it is
13:38.40dick_turpinboudiccas: can you /pm me I cant seem to /pm you
13:39.35goibhniudick_turpin:?
13:39.38boudiccasthis might be the problem dick_turpin ...Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
13:39.52dick_turpinboudiccas: K
13:39.58goibhniuboudiccas: morsing says to tell you he misses you
13:40.07dick_turpingoibhniu: Oi
13:40.20boudiccasi havent worked out how to register my nick using irssi yet
13:40.28goibhniudick_turpin: lo
13:40.43dick_turpingoibhniu: Can you /pm me please
13:41.45boudiccaspocky??? whats that Leeds ??? it sounds vaguely indecent
13:41.54Armandslag term for pr0n?? :P
13:45.02mikejwslag term?
13:45.15Armandslang.. oops. :P
13:45.24mikejw:P
13:46.51LeedsI forget that you're not all Japanophiles like rhowe...
13:49.59Leedsthey are a well-known Japanese snack  - thin biscuit sticks, covered with a thin-ish layer of chocolate, except for one end so you can hold it
13:50.01boudiccasbut you still havent told us Leeds what pocky is???
13:50.02mikejwmy friend is japanese and she is in an awesome band
13:50.17bilarhleeds: i remember them! (i think)
13:50.23bilarhleeds: in a greenish packet?
13:50.55Leedsthe normal pack is red
13:51.18bilarhhmm
13:51.22bilarhoh well, never mind :-)
13:51.29Leedsbut I think the "men's pocky" is in green - coffee flavoured
13:51.36bilarhi could have sworn i had something called that, but then it's *gasp* four years already since i went
13:51.51bilarhdamn, time flies
13:52.07Leedsalso, they have them in a bunch of other special flavours, including green tea
13:52.53boudiccasahhh snuff
13:53.33boudiccasgot the bugger!
13:53.49boudiccasan irritating little fly was really pissing me off!
13:54.58dick_turpinboudiccas: Thats no way to talk about bilarh
13:56.03boudiccasi tiny mideg like creature that flies about erratically and alwasy just at the perihpherary of my vision and just serving to irritate me
13:56.12boudiccas*midge
13:56.45dick_turpinbilarh: I wouldn't stand for that mate
13:59.14bilarhdick_turpin: she was talking about your cock
13:59.43bilarhman i hate users
13:59.54bilarhwhy don't they just all roll over and stop pissing me off :P
14:01.41dick_turpinbilarh: I've switched my machine on and its not the same
14:01.50dick_turpinbilarh: It was OK last night
14:01.58dick_turpinbilarh: But now its different
14:02.09bilarhdick_turpin: f00k off! ;-)
14:02.50dick_turpinbilarh: Can I speak to your supervisor? you're customer support skills are terrible
14:03.36boudiccasdick_turpin: are you getting a pm request from me please?
14:03.46Leedsmmm... open faced club sand wedge
14:03.57dick_turpinboudiccas: No
14:04.33boudiccasah, so how do i pm someone with irssi then. is it just like /msg dick_turpin then???
14:04.40antiphaseOr /query
14:05.00dick_turpinantiphase: Aha I'll try that then
14:05.11antiphasemsg sends a message immediately, query opens a window but doesn't send anything immediately
14:05.33antiphaseSame as all IRC clients afaik
14:06.46antiphaseWhile you're down there...
14:07.29goibhniuboudiccas: have you already registered with freenode? /msg nickserv identify <passwd>
14:07.32dick_turpinantiphase: You've not paid me for last time and you didn't keep your promise "I won't..."
14:07.41antiphaseHeh
14:07.43mikejwguys...
14:08.18boudiccasmikejw: that counts me out then :(
14:08.29mikejwis creating a permanent ssh tuunnel from one (dmz) subnet into another subnet a good idea?
14:08.48mikejws/tuunel/tunnel
14:08.51antiphaseSounds like you should be using a real router
14:09.14mikejwyeah
14:09.23mikejwalthough...
14:09.46mikejwI think the real issue is that we shouldn't bother with a DMZ at all if one of the routers is a BT home hub
14:10.03ArmandO_O
14:10.04zmey_gguys serious question. a friend wants to install mac os x on his LG  ls55. it looks like mac os x on install can't see laptop's keyboard. so will it recognise the keyboard after install or after updates at least?
14:10.41Armandmikejw: I've heard those BT home hub's are weaker than wet toilet paper..
14:11.09mikejwhow can I prove that to my much esteemed co-workers?
14:11.20Armandshow them the BT badge?
14:11.21wethrinzmey_g: An LG ls55 doesn't sound like a Mac
14:11.34mikejwlol
14:12.10zmey_gwethrin:> he sad he installed mac os on PC in the past
14:12.18wethrinMac OS, or Darwin?
14:12.20Armandmy cousin has a linux util which "bombs" them, and forces them to reset.
14:12.35zmey_gwethrin:>  mac os X 10.4.6
14:12.53mikejwArmand: I can believe it :/
14:13.16ArmandHe's a fking genius.. I hardly understand half the stuff he has. :P
14:14.32wethrinzmey_g: Unsupported configuration, then
14:15.36bilarhmikejw: run ppp on top of ssh, that's what I say :)
14:15.44ArmandI think he said, he can disable the WPA keys on them.. and force them to broadcast SSID?
14:15.48zmey_gwethrin:> i try to ask him whether he installed mac on pc straight or through emulation
14:16.24goibhniuzmey_g: etorix knows these things
14:16.24mikejw:)
14:16.48ArmandI'll see if he's back from Uni.. at some point today. :P
14:17.28mikejwcool ask him to read my email for me :P
14:17.33Armandhehe
14:17.58Armandyou got a Yahoo account?? ^_^
14:18.08dick_turpinz00dax: Did you get my quote? have you recovered yet?
14:18.28zmey_ggoibhniu:> i will ask him
14:21.03zmey_gguy sad it works nice under emulation. and start installing it on  laptop, but keyboard not supported, and he stop
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14:22.22goibhniuzmey_g: it's illegal anyway isn't it
14:23.50z00daxdick_turpin: yes, and no
14:24.02dick_turpinz00dax: k
14:24.20zmey_ggoibhniu:> ahhh sort of. but i wouldnt go that deep.
14:24.38z00daxi am quite sure the itx machines can go into rails though. otherwise its not worth it - putting them on shelves doubles the hosting cost
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14:25.30Armandhey z00dax. :)
14:25.31mikejwbilarh: do mean between the two subnets or outside coming in?
14:25.41boudiccasgot him at last!
14:25.43z00daxArmand: hi
14:25.52ArmandHow are you?
14:26.27bilarhmikejw: you could do it between two subnets, yes
14:26.33bilarhor a single host to a network etc
14:26.55mikejwto provide an extra authentication 'layer'?
14:27.43zmey_ggoibhniu:> guy lives in poor ...krainia and cant afford buying shiny mac, so i wouldn't blame him.
14:28.09goibhniuzmey_g: I would ... off to jail with him!
14:28.36goibhniubtw ... I think it's against freenode policy to discuss warez etc
14:29.37bilarhmikejw: i probably misunderstood what you wanted to do
14:30.42mikejwok so it's not my idea...
14:30.45Armandright, I'm off to shower. Laters!
14:31.00zmey_ggoibhniu:> ah ok. i use linux and i hope it's legal
14:31.48mikejwbut the plan is to have (internet)--[adsl router]--[web/ftp server]
14:33.03mikejwanother machine coming off the adsl router providing a ssh tunnel beyond a secondary hardware firewall which is the main ssh/svn server
14:33.20mikejw*which is where the ssh/svn server resides
14:37.48antiphaseWhy do you need a tunnel instead of just a firewall rule?
14:40.19mikejwI don't know
14:41.04mikejwwhat would the firewall rule look like?
14:42.45mikejwI think some third party guy is coming to check it out anyway
14:44.52Leedsthree parties??? and I thought I was busy
14:45.25wethrinhe's just a party animal
14:45.33boudiccasthree parties and someone coming to check you out! mikejw you must be /hot/!!!
14:46.25mikejwI'm partied out
14:47.19Leedshmm... I wish Google didn't think "Ping Chau" was a match for "Peng Chau" - they are two very different islands!
14:50.19Leedsone is to the west of HK island, one is to the far north-east of HK waters
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14:55.47LeedsAnneC_!
14:59.07boudiccasi wonder if sabine has had her baby yet?
14:59.30niv_one_threeI am also cuirios
14:59.46niv_one_threeneed to install aspell soon - I guess
15:18.48Leeds"Dr. James Watson, co-founder of the DNA double helix" is a very odd way to describe him
15:38.54mikejwhow do I enable gdm with fedora?
15:50.01mikejwplease ignore me
15:55.08boudiccasmikejw: consider yourself ignored then :)
15:55.34mikejwok :]
16:03.44zmey_ganybody has a box that's looking for a new home?
16:05.00mikejwLinux teal 2.6.22-gentoo-r8 #7 SMP Tue Oct 16 12:27:55 BST 2007 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU            5140  @ 2.33GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
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16:26.41haliffs, gentoo on a dual-core xeon box ... what a waste
16:29.09boudiccaslol
16:30.05antiphaseLinux coriolis 2.6.17-gentoo-r8CORIOLIS #2 SMP Thu Oct 19 21:49:10 BST 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
16:30.19antiphaseI admit I wouldn't do it again though
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16:35.59goibhniuhali: you're an ubuntuist ... innit? excited about gusty? couldn't care less?
16:39.05mikejwisn't there a party tonight?
16:39.10goibhniuis there?
16:39.17antiphaseIt's in Hackney, so take your stab vest
16:39.22goibhniufree b00z?
16:40.22goibhniuhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=579219
16:43.25goibhniuit's in my hood ... anyone going?
16:45.58antiphaseGot any spare biscuits?
16:47.16haligoibhniu: i'm a corporate redhat whore
16:47.51niv_one_three"ffs, gentoo on a dual-core xeon box ... what a waste" why?
16:48.08niv_one_threeI wish I had quad to do my upgrades
16:48.08haliniv_one_three: gentoo on anything but a small hobbyist box is kind of strange
16:48.16halidon't get me wrong, i like gentoo
16:48.25haliit's great for learning about stuff i guess
16:48.27niv_one_threedepends on the demend for cutting edge
16:48.31antiphaseIT just takes a long time to get stable, and you can never replicate what you've done
16:48.42antiphaseGentoo = toy
16:48.48niv_one_threehmm...
16:49.02z00daxrawhide always worked well for people who wanted totally bleeding edge
16:49.09niv_one_threeI kind of agree
16:49.33haliexactly, try to submit a bug to a vendor and they are supposed to replicate it .... what version of X Y Z blabla
16:50.14haliclassic question in #oracle, "why doesn't oracle support debian unstable branch foo/gentoo"
16:51.07halisimple answer, it would cost too much
16:52.43goibhniuas a desktop gentoo rocks IMO, you can pick and choose which bits you want to be stable and easily install and switch between versions
16:53.07goibhniuwaiting 6 months/3 years to upgrade your browser just doesn't do it for me
16:53.21antiphaseI use Firefox 1.5 and it shows me web pages.
16:53.42mikejw:D
16:54.25antiphaseI admit there are odd problems with banking webshites, but it saves me 2 hours every time I don't have to compile the latest version
16:55.08z00daxgentoo isnt bad as a desktop
16:55.15goibhniuI was impressed with the upgrade to feisty though ... it fixed a lot of broken things and didn't break anything
16:55.16z00daxbut only for people who are really involved with systems
16:55.23z00daxnot for people who just want to use a desktop
16:55.28goibhniuI find gentoo the least hassle to look after
16:55.30z00daxand have most things work from most vendors
16:55.41z00daxgoibhniu: but it needs looking after :)
16:55.48goibhniuthe docs are great, and if you want to do something odd you can
16:56.01goibhniuz00dax: not really
16:56.09z00daxhow much backports does gentoo get ?
16:56.21antiphaseIt needs sooooo much looking after, especially when a `emerge -NDuav world` makes your system blow up and not boot again
16:56.38antiphaseand you're using RAID and LVM in an initramfs
16:56.46goibhniuhonestly I've had more trouble with ubuntu
16:57.00goibhniuI just update once a week and get newer releases of stuff
16:57.25z00daxbecause i like to just use stuff, i update every 12 - 18 months, and i am quite happy with most stuff
16:57.30goibhniuz00dax: backports aren't relevant
16:57.36z00daxgoibhniu: sure they are
16:57.44z00daxits the one thing that defines the idea of stable
16:57.55goibhniuyou compile everything to match what you have on your system
16:58.01z00daxi dont want to rewrite all my apps in $language becuase noone in my distro is going to backport that major security issue
16:58.22z00daxand the only version that fix's it does not have $feature or $feature is broken that my app depends on
16:59.02z00daxif your distro isnt going to gurantee $api / $abi compliance for atleast some period of time, the idea of stable goes right out of the window
16:59.20goibhniuwell ...e.g. I run firefox 1.5 alongside 2.0 ... both get updated with security fixes etc
16:59.51goibhniuyou pick whatever version you want to stick with
17:00.06goibhniuyou can easily freeze it to a major version number, downgrade etc
17:00.38z00daxsure, and the next time you hit a kernel security issues...
17:00.57goibhniuI don't understand
17:01.01z00daxyou need to consider the whole desktop experience for someone - dont look at isolated pockets of human -> machine interface
17:01.55z00daxwhat happens on gentoo when there is a kernel security issue ?
17:02.08goibhniuyou upgrade the kernel
17:02.12z00daxdoes everyone just update to whatever is the latest ? ( and where the fix mightbe ? )
17:02.26z00daxright, and if this now breaks suspend for your laptop ?
17:02.34goibhniuyou pick whatever one you want ... e.g. I run the one with suspend patches
17:02.45z00daxwhich might have gaping security holes
17:02.58goibhniuit's a pretty popular one
17:03.12z00daxas is windows
17:03.24z00daxquite popular
17:03.58goibhniuwhy do you think it's any less secure than centos?
17:04.12goibhniuthe testing redhat does on it?
17:04.13z00daxs/secure/usable/
17:04.38goibhniuwell, we were taking security as an example no?
17:04.49z00daxeg. i know right now that the latest centos-5-kernel has no known exploit
17:04.54goibhniuI mean, the kernel I use gets updates ... I install them
17:05.14z00daxwhile i also know that suspend on my ferrari 4005 which worked in Nov last year, also works just fine today
17:05.41goibhniuyeah ... you're saying this is more likely to break in gentoo?
17:05.44z00daxthats not what you said - you said you update the kernel, which is different from 'the kenel gets updates, i install them '
17:06.04goibhniuI mean there are new versions of it
17:06.18z00daxwell, ati chipsets were broken through most of 2007 on upstreak kernels....
17:06.27z00daxthe 4005 is an ati mobo
17:06.51z00daxand no suspend didnt work on it pretty much through 2.6.22 to 24rc
17:06.51goibhniuand?
17:07.09mikejwsounds like it needs fixing
17:07.34goibhniuI don't see your point ... with gentoo or any other distro you can choose from a number of kernels
17:08.12z00daxmikejw: someone did fix it recently, should be ok again in .24
17:08.19mikejwok
17:09.07z00daxgoibhniu: do all those kernels get all the security updates and fix's ?
17:09.07zmey_gReview: <Ubuntu's New 'Gutsy Gibbon' Brings Linux Out of the Jungle>i didn't know i'm still deep in jungle.
17:09.20z00daxbtw, thats just one issue - easiest highlighted by kernel, but it stretches across pretty much everywhere
17:09.56z00daxand no, i am not saying one is better than the other - its just that gentoo does not really lend itself well to a general purpose average human being desktop
17:10.00wethrinCURRY?
17:10.06z00daxand yes, that is opnion
17:10.10z00daxopinion even
17:10.18z00daxwethrin: ! come to warren street by 7pm
17:10.37wethrinbah. I can't :(
17:12.41goibhniuz00dax: I'm just saying that I've run gentoo and ubuntu for quite a while and I find gentoo less hassle
17:13.24goibhniuI don't really see the point about kernel updates, I think gentoo offers more flexibility there too
17:14.20goibhniui.e. if you want a specific kernel on ubuntu ... it's a lot more hassle to keep it up to date
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19:40.40niv_one_threesimple question
19:40.58niv_one_threehow to get an email once a host responds to ping?
19:41.21antiphaseSilly question
19:41.53niv_one_threewhile ( ping <host> ) ; do mutt -s online me@email.net ; done
19:41.56niv_one_threeright?
19:42.13niv_one_threeguess the test stetment is wrong
19:42.15antiphaseDo you like spam?
19:42.24wethrinyou want an email every second?
19:42.39niv_one_threejust hate to wait for my perents to power on the fax server..
19:42.52niv_one_threeno only email me once
19:42.53niv_one_threeok
19:42.55niv_one_threeI see
19:43.03antiphaseJust ping, wait for replies to come back, then do stuff
19:43.10antiphaseOveroptimisation is A Bad Thing
19:43.15niv_one_threeone liner?
19:43.27antiphaseMy solution ivolved a terminal, a monitor and your eyes
19:43.29antiphase;)
19:43.45niv_one_threeping <host> && mutt -s on me@email
19:43.58niv_one_threeI belive in email
19:44.02niv_one_threehmm
19:44.11niv_one_threeI also need to learn bash
19:44.18niv_one_threeand you guys help a lot :-)
19:46.16niv_one_threewhile ( ! `ping -c1 <host> |grep TTL' ) ; do mutt -s on me@email ; done ; ??
19:46.41niv_one_threena I need two loops :-|
19:46.44niv_one_threedam it
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19:47.32niv_one_threemay I use break?
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19:50.20wethrinthat's entirely wrong
19:50.34wethrinone, your quotes are mismatched
19:50.41wethrintwo, you shouldn't use backticks
19:50.49boudiccashow do i load the aspeller script into irssi please?
19:50.54wethrinthree, why use grep when you can use ping's exit code
19:50.58wethrinboudiccas: /load ?
19:51.12boudiccastried that and it didn't work :(
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