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07:17.01 | bilarh | cpufreak: am now |
07:19.16 | Discordian | Morning |
07:20.56 | bilarh | morning disco |
07:21.06 | bilarh | ibot: dictionary discordian |
07:21.06 | ibot | see dict discordian |
07:21.13 | bilarh | ibot: dict discordian |
07:21.24 | bilarh | ibot: you're so helpful! |
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07:27.18 | bilarh | ibot: dict discordianism |
07:28.04 | bilarh | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discordianism "zen for roundeyes" *rotfl* |
07:33.57 | Discordian | lol |
08:17.48 | cpufreak | bilarh: http://nurburgr.ing.me.uk/stuff/PA2_0466D.jpg |
08:19.38 | bilarh | cpufreak: nice one :D |
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09:24.19 | niv_one_three | was last night "good" to any of you guys? (I am tring to establish a astrology theory) |
09:31.12 | goibhniu | niv_one_three: for me .. it was mostly shit |
09:31.48 | bilarh | niv_one_three: what's the theory? |
09:35.46 | bilarh | hmm... if you were an admin and you saw this google search in your firewall logs, would you be a bit suspicious: "expect multiple spawn"? |
09:36.45 | niv_one_three | hah? |
09:37.00 | niv_one_three | well mercury is distancing |
09:37.39 | niv_one_three | now I dont care for astrology, its just that when I woke on Sat morning, the radio kept telling me stuff |
09:37.51 | niv_one_three | should avoid it in the future |
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09:38.44 | zmey_gorynych | niv_one_three:> so, does it mean there will be no profit? |
09:46.18 | goibhniu | my gf is into that crap ... afaik it means communication will be difficult ... bad time for signing contracts, signs will be misleading etc |
09:46.31 | goibhniu | IMO believing is seeing |
09:47.48 | bilarh | well, imo it's all bollox, but i enjoy reading the 'horoscope' in the metro in the mornings :-D |
09:47.55 | goibhniu | e.g. last night someone kicked the phone cable out of the socket, meaning we were offline for a while ... tada! must be mercury's fault! |
09:48.08 | z00dax | goibhniu: are you speaking on nov 10th ? |
09:48.31 | goibhniu | my gf used to argue that it was interesting because it was so ambiguous that you read into it whatever you felt |
09:48.40 | bilarh | goibhniu: exactly :-) |
09:48.51 | goibhniu | now she seems to believe a bit more ... which is scary |
09:48.55 | goibhniu | z00dax: ok |
09:49.24 | goibhniu | z00dax: nah I better not .. people will think gllug is boring |
09:50.20 | goibhniu | I bet bilarh could give a great talk tho |
09:50.26 | niv_one_three | do we now have any clues as to why morsing disappeared? |
09:50.38 | goibhniu | he doesn't like us |
09:50.49 | bilarh | goibhniu: maybe i could do a talk on inappropraite jokes |
09:51.04 | bilarh | or just talk random crap, like i usually do |
09:51.13 | goibhniu | bilarh: have you given a talk before? |
09:51.15 | bilarh | does ranting on about something constitute a "talk"? |
09:51.27 | bilarh | not for gllug, no |
09:51.31 | z00dax | bilarh: is that 'talk like i usually do' or 'random crap' ? |
09:51.41 | z00dax | so i know what to put down in the official announcement next to your name |
09:51.53 | bilarh | z00dax ;-) |
09:52.02 | bilarh | i used to lecture at uni, for my sins |
09:52.05 | z00dax | bilarh: no really, you should do a talk |
09:52.09 | bilarh | on what? |
09:52.17 | z00dax | what are you keen on ? |
09:52.35 | bilarh | boobs, mainly, but i don't think that is your preferred subject, eh? |
09:52.44 | niv_one_three | QOS? |
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09:52.51 | bilarh | erm, that came out wrong :P |
09:52.59 | goibhniu | holy crap! ... you were a lecturer! |
09:53.17 | bilarh | goibhniu: only for about half a year, evening lectures only (short courses |
09:53.18 | bilarh | ) |
09:53.22 | goibhniu | can't you give a talk on bash or something? |
09:53.49 | bilarh | i did do one on bash scripting once, but i don't think my students understood what i was on about... |
09:54.02 | bilarh | what level should you pitch it at? |
09:54.26 | bilarh | goibhniu: and what do you mean "holy crap!"? :-) |
09:54.33 | goibhniu | for bash? ... I guess you can assume people can edit text files? |
09:54.53 | bilarh | hmm |
09:55.27 | goibhniu | bilarh: holy crap ... as in ... why haven't you given a talk yet! |
09:55.30 | bilarh | see the problem with "bash scripting" as a subject is that the toolkit is too big |
09:55.38 | bilarh | oh, i'm not that good a lecturer... |
09:55.49 | bilarh | as i said, i just did short courses |
09:55.49 | zmey_gorynych | bilarh:> are sed an awk used nowadays? if yes, is it worth to mention it on gllug? |
09:55.57 | bilarh | zmey: yeah of course |
09:56.11 | bilarh | zmey: that's exactly what i mean... sed and awk could use two lectures each, easily |
09:56.39 | goibhniu | bilarh: is there anything linuxy that you're interested in showing off? |
09:57.11 | zmey_gorynych | i'm just trying to figure the matter out. start even read some books. |
09:57.11 | bilarh | goibhniu: i don't know... i don't feel comfortable enough to show off my 'own work', if you know what i mean |
09:57.16 | bilarh | in my experience so far, most people aren't interested in what i'm interested in, if you see what i mean |
09:57.56 | goibhniu | bilarh: humans! :( |
09:58.12 | bilarh | for example, i could probably rabbit on about the merits of different locking mechanisms in scripting (which i find quite interesting), where as most people would find it boring :-) |
09:58.28 | goibhniu | yes I remember you posting something about that |
09:58.36 | goibhniu | I didn't understand what it was about |
09:58.41 | bilarh | and i remember the overwhelming lack of response :-D |
09:58.58 | goibhniu | but I would like to see a demo of it |
09:58.58 | zmey_gorynych | bilarh:> that would be enormous help if somebody could talk a bit on awk, sed, bash scripting |
09:59.22 | bilarh | hmm, i don't know if i have time at the moment... i'm studying at the moment as well |
09:59.30 | bilarh | when was it, did you say? |
09:59.55 | bilarh | and where is it? |
09:59.56 | goibhniu | bilarh: recently a guy gave a talk on a python gui toolkit he wrote ... and he was blown out of it ... "why didn't you just use ... blah (you idiot)" |
10:00.08 | goibhniu | it looked cool tho (to me) |
10:00.15 | goibhniu | Nov 10th |
10:00.20 | bilarh | goibhniu: nice... that's another reason i wouldn't want to do it, to be honest |
10:00.44 | goibhniu | yeah, people suck |
10:01.26 | bilarh | goibhniu: to be honest, i think that if that happened to me, it would end with me saying something along the lines of "if you don't like it, f00k off!" which would make me look quite stupid indeed :) |
10:02.00 | goibhniu | if a fight broke out ... I'd back you up |
10:02.05 | goibhniu | you've got good kung fu |
10:02.11 | bilarh | hehe :P |
10:02.50 | bilarh | maybe we'd end up in the news paper.... "nerds in lecture bash" |
10:04.43 | goibhniu | I want to record the next one (if the speakers agree) on video |
10:05.07 | goibhniu | a snuff talk would make excellent footage |
10:05.40 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> this is brilliant idea. guys on slug do recording as well |
10:06.03 | goibhniu | do they bring knives? |
10:06.21 | zmey_g | :) why? |
10:06.49 | goibhniu | for action footage |
10:08.14 | zmey_g | no. some of the might bring Katana swords though |
10:08.37 | goibhniu | well ... we've got a sniper! |
10:09.02 | zmey_g | yeah. i used to be a very good at it |
10:09.06 | goibhniu | are they looking for a fight? |
10:11.48 | zmey_g | there will be no fight. but slotter |
10:17.35 | goibhniu | boudiccas: morsing asked me to ping you |
10:18.11 | zmey_g | a friend installed mac os x on pc with minor problems |
10:18.50 | goibhniu | etorix: has is on an amd64 afaik |
10:18.56 | goibhniu | it's perverted IMO |
10:19.24 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> i just didn't know this is possible |
10:21.06 | zmey_g | without harakiri technique. |
10:21.48 | goibhniu | many things are possible ... some day we'll have cow-chickens |
10:22.14 | zmey_g | i hope they wont fly |
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10:36.38 | goibhniu | xteddy: yo |
10:36.38 | xteddy | :) |
10:53.34 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> http://stream.xtcradio.com:8069/listen.pls |
10:54.36 | goibhniu | zmey_g: thanks ... I can't listen now tho |
10:56.31 | Ch0Hag | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071018 |
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11:06.22 | Armand | Hi all. :) |
11:07.48 | zmey_g | hi Armand |
11:08.44 | Armand | :) |
11:09.32 | Armand | Hows things? |
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11:10.13 | zmey_g | thins are no good. i burned me toast just now. |
11:10.25 | bilarh | someone give me 3k for a new gearbox, please? |
11:10.37 | Armand | hehe |
11:10.44 | Armand | to both. :P |
11:12.48 | zmey_g | bilarh:> 3k for a new gearbox? |
11:13.04 | Armand | erm, ouch? |
11:13.19 | bilarh | zmey: it's an ever so slightly stronger than standard gearbox |
11:14.48 | zmey_g | ok. so it's new and non standard. 3k ? still a bit pricey |
11:16.42 | Armand | depends.. I dread to think how much Audi's DSG 'boxes cost! |
11:16.48 | bilarh | zmey: it should handle drag starts fine with about 450bhp, though :) |
11:17.15 | Armand | Noice! |
11:17.27 | zmey_g | 450!!! |
11:17.48 | bilarh | i'm not anywhere near 450 yet, mind |
11:18.00 | bilarh | but if it can handle that, then it shouldn't break during my normal antics |
11:18.06 | zmey_g | bilarh:> you sure it'a a car? |
11:18.22 | bilarh | it has a body shell and four wheels :-) |
11:18.30 | bilarh | and it used to have an MOT up to today :-) |
11:18.52 | zmey_g | ogo |
11:19.11 | zmey_g | s/ogo/wow/ |
11:19.32 | bilarh | unfortunately bits are starting to break at the current level |
11:19.39 | bilarh | http://www.bilar.co.uk/subaru/graphs |
11:19.51 | bilarh | so i'm replacing them as they break |
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11:22.01 | zmey_g | if i accelerated with 2.9 sec i would swallow my tong perhaps. |
11:23.37 | zmey_g | bilarh:> i hope this accelerating rate doesn't contradict to the Einstein theory |
11:24.13 | bilarh | zmey_g: it's 60-80mph in 2.9 seconds, mind |
11:24.27 | zmey_g | i read it |
11:24.31 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: happy g-day |
11:25.09 | bilarh | zmey: the interesting bit is almost red-lining it in second, shifting to third and then the car still pulls exactly the same :D |
11:25.24 | bilarh | zmey: it doesn't make full boost in 1st or 2nd at the moment unfortunately |
11:27.22 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Listening to LugRadio on me ipod |
11:27.34 | goibhniu | hehe |
11:27.56 | goibhniu | have you heard the war between them and the linuxactionshow? |
11:28.25 | zmey_g | bilarh:> so is it subaru or bmw, as i saw on your pictures |
11:28.31 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Ooh this sound fun. Are you gonna make me google for it? |
11:28.41 | dick_turpin | sounds |
11:29.22 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: http://www.linuxactionshow.com |
11:29.54 | goibhniu | there has been a bit of slagging going on for a while ... it seems to be heating up tho |
11:30.35 | goibhniu | I think you'll like it :) |
11:30.46 | bilarh | goibhniu: reminds me of what an old wise man said to me once; "people suck" :) |
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11:32.53 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'll need to stick that in me iTunes |
11:33.23 | Armand | ffs, religious "discussion" in ##linux.. so fking retarded. :P |
11:33.29 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: stop it with the iWords .. ok! I know you're looking for attention! |
11:34.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: What is this not an MS / Windows lovers channel? |
11:34.12 | Armand | lol |
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11:35.15 | dick_turpin | antiphase: You horrid man, I need to thank you |
11:35.36 | antiphase | What for? |
11:35.43 | wethrin | antiphase: That wasn't back to the real world for very long |
11:35.46 | wethrin | Was it a particularly scary place? |
11:36.23 | antiphase | Somewhat. AS an aside, if you ever want to try and do auto-away with a plug-in in irssi, DON'T. |
11:36.30 | antiphase | It completely fucks everything |
11:36.35 | wethrin | I don't like auto-away |
11:36.38 | antiphase | Hence my brief and total departure |
11:36.44 | wethrin | I often don't type for 10 minutes or more |
11:37.16 | antiphase | That's what I found, but after i removed it I was unable to un-away from some servers, and nothing I typed appeared in channel |
11:37.27 | wethrin | that's broken |
11:37.38 | dick_turpin | antiphase: You converted me to irssi |
11:37.48 | antiphase | Bad Perl programmers are almost worse than PHP programmers |
11:39.11 | bilarh | the key word being 'almost' |
11:39.23 | bilarh | i'll correct the whole sentence for you |
11:39.33 | bilarh | Bad Perl programmers are almost worse than good PHP programmers |
11:39.35 | bilarh | there :P |
11:39.48 | antiphase | Heh |
11:40.52 | bilarh | goibhniu: what's wrong with it? |
11:41.17 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Why? |
11:41.21 | goibhniu | the lag makes it suck massively |
11:41.43 | antiphase | Use a smaller terminal :) |
11:41.52 | wethrin | no lag here |
11:42.01 | wethrin | well, no significant lag |
11:42.07 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Whats this lag everyone moans about? I never seem to have it |
11:44.34 | bilarh | but the lag surely has nothing to do with irssi? |
11:45.24 | Armand | I tried irssi last night.. O_o didn't like. |
11:46.25 | dick_turpin | Armand: I didn't at 1st but now I like it and I'm working on loving it |
11:47.03 | Armand | each to thier own.. |
11:47.15 | antiphase | It's best when you combine it with screen and a co-lo box |
11:47.24 | antiphase | Always-on IRC, from anywhere |
11:47.47 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I'm not good enough to use screen yet. Whats co-lo box? |
11:48.29 | antiphase | A server belonging to you, co-located in some else's data centre |
11:49.11 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Hm, I was reading about bitlbee and the ability to use one on someone elses server |
11:49.29 | antiphase | I also use bitlbee. It rules. |
11:50.11 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I installed it here but not too sure how to invoke it and irssi together |
11:50.46 | antiphase | You just use irssi to connect to the bitlbee "irc" server |
11:51.11 | antiphase | so '/connect localhost' if it's on the same machine as your IRC client |
11:52.35 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Hm "connection refused" is that because httpd is not running? |
11:53.27 | antiphase | bitlbee is either a standalone server or invoked through [x]inetd, depending how you set it up |
11:53.34 | antiphase | You may need to start the daemon |
11:53.53 | antiphase | It's bitlbeed of course ;) |
11:54.07 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I did that yesterday and it said "Running as root why?" |
11:54.24 | antiphase | Doesn't it have a proper startup script? |
11:54.50 | antiphase | IT doesn't need to run as root to bind to port 6667, so you should add a dedicated user or run it as nobody |
11:55.05 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Hang on just re-read what you said, bitlbeed |
11:55.36 | antiphase | I'd probably expect to find /etc/init.d/bitlbeed |
11:56.53 | bilarh | is bitlbee any good for msn nowadays? |
11:57.25 | antiphase | WFM, as long as you just want to talk to people |
11:57.33 | dick_turpin | antiphase: That didn't work just looking at the man page |
11:59.00 | bilarh | i might have to give it a go actually |
12:00.16 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Should've gone to specsavers |
12:04.18 | dick_turpin | antiphase: This may take a while, its a permissions issue. I only need it for some google.talk stuff |
12:05.00 | zmey_g | anybody run Jinzora? |
12:06.05 | antiphase | dick_turpin: You should probably start it manually or in debug mode to determine what's wrong |
12:07.58 | dick_turpin | antiphase: If I run it as 'sales' the error is "could not write to /var/lib (Blah blah) |
12:08.17 | dick_turpin | antiphase: If I run it as root the error is "Why" |
12:08.24 | antiphase | It will refuse to run as root iirc |
12:08.43 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Yeah thats cool and understandable |
12:08.52 | antiphase | So you need to create /var/lib/bitlbee or whatever it expects, then change the ownership to the user you run it as. Innit. |
12:09.20 | dick_turpin | antiphase: K |
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12:16.31 | bilarh | oh bugger, does bitlbee maintain blocked lists? |
12:16.41 | bilarh | i've been hiding for four years from this person on msn |
12:19.19 | bilarh | hmm, it does seem pretty cool though :D |
12:20.08 | wethrin | bilarh: I think so |
12:20.21 | wethrin | it gets the buddy lists off the MSN server, anyway |
12:21.03 | bilarh | ok |
12:21.29 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Too late I've given them your home address :-P |
12:23.01 | wethrin | bitlbee Just Worked(TM) for me |
12:23.24 | bilarh | wethrin: yeah it works, alright :) |
12:23.25 | benoyst | morning |
12:23.26 | dick_turpin | wethrin: That's coz you're a jammy git |
12:23.28 | niv_one_three | wethrin: are you also a bitlbee user? |
12:24.23 | wethrin | dick_turpin: That's because I use a sensible OS :-) |
12:24.33 | wethrin | it automatically set correct permissions |
12:24.34 | wethrin | niv_one_three: Aye |
12:24.58 | niv_one_three | wethrin: irssi too? |
12:25.07 | wethrin | yup |
12:25.38 | niv_one_three | so, you do know why some lines appear at yellow, while I am not getting private messeges |
12:25.50 | wethrin | yeah, they'd contain your name |
12:25.55 | wethrin | Or at least any highlights you've set up |
12:26.00 | niv_one_three | and also how to have my nickname password auto registr |
12:26.27 | wethrin | Haven't done that, so I don't know |
12:26.42 | niv_one_three | where can I set highlights? (I sware I didnt do it) |
12:27.10 | wethrin | /help hilight |
12:27.22 | dick_turpin | wethrin: /set recode off |
12:28.10 | wethrin | recode? |
12:28.55 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Never mind, my fault idiot on the phone while I'm reading #irssi and try to sort crap out |
12:29.04 | dick_turpin | trying |
12:31.17 | dick_turpin | niv_one_three: You need a script for passwd register its on the site www.irssi.org/scripts |
12:31.46 | niv_one_three | thnaks dick |
12:32.43 | niv_one_three | but its all in perl... |
12:33.05 | boudiccas | dick_turpin: /the/ irssi expert :) seriously it is good to help someone else out with software that you've only just learned :) well done :) |
12:34.04 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: My other nick is Billy-No-Mates I'm trying to ingratiate myself ;-) |
12:35.41 | boudiccas | lol |
12:36.41 | Armand | the butler did it.. and, under the floorboards. |
12:37.01 | boudiccas | the butler was provoked |
12:37.12 | niv_one_three | I sware i didnt |
12:37.15 | boudiccas | and it was done with the lead piping behind the left ear |
12:37.22 | Armand | lies.. he was knobbing the maid and morsing caught them.. |
12:37.24 | niv_one_three | I was having a bath |
12:37.34 | dick_turpin | So which one of you hard faced sods upset him then? |
12:38.14 | boudiccas | not i said the pig |
12:38.49 | dick_turpin | We'll I'm always nice to him |
12:39.18 | boudiccas | we'' drink a drink to llily the pink the pink the savouir of the human race |
12:42.14 | goibhniu | boudiccas: morsing was wondering if you're getting his messages |
12:42.22 | goibhniu | I thought it might be irssi related |
12:43.08 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Is he alive then? |
12:43.31 | goibhniu | undead probably |
12:43.42 | goibhniu | he had chicken and chocolate for lunch |
12:44.28 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: With that combination he should be dead |
12:45.04 | boudiccas | goibhniu: yes, everyhting in irssi is working well except for the spell checker :( |
12:45.44 | goibhniu | hmm .. aspeller worked fine for me ... but only in english |
12:45.47 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: My spellchecker is working, hence the improvement in my spelling (antiphase) |
12:46.15 | boudiccas | my spell chucker doesn't seem to be working. is it an addon script? |
12:47.00 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Rotflmao Yes! |
12:47.58 | boudiccas | dick_turpin: so whats it called instead of just laughing at me!??? |
12:48.32 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Show me the money! show me the money! |
12:52.09 | boudiccas | seems like there isnt a spell checker script for irssi, not that firefox could find on the scripts page |
12:52.10 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: http://www.nathancoad.com/aspeller.tar.gz |
12:52.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Download that unpack it and do the README |
12:53.47 | dick_turpin | xteddy: Wheres me cuddle? (I know its a bot) |
12:53.47 | xteddy | :) |
12:55.38 | boudiccas | there is no README in it, its just the perl script so i've put it in ./irssi/scripts/autorun/ so that next time i restart i can utilise it okay |
12:56.23 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Please that's how I got divorced last time |
12:57.02 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: do /run aspeller |
12:57.42 | boudiccas | how do i check if its working after running it??? |
13:00.55 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Type something, should show up as a red block in the status bar |
13:02.11 | boudiccas | something is wrong in what i ma rtyping |
13:02.34 | boudiccas | i didnt see anyting |
13:02.53 | boudiccas | no i see no correction or red block in the status bar |
13:03.08 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Hm, do /load perl then /run aspeller |
13:04.57 | boudiccas | is tis riht |
13:04.57 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Ah hang on it wont correct just highlight misspelt words |
13:05.06 | boudiccas | no change, still doesn't work for me. maybe it shouldnt be in autorun. maybe it doesnt work with the simplicity.theme |
13:05.23 | boudiccas | no it doesnt even highlight anything |
13:05.38 | z00dax | so, how do I add a keyboard shortcut in gnome ? |
13:05.56 | boudiccas | i make a deliberate mistake and it doesnt show up at all :( |
13:06.32 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: stick a copy in .irssi/scripts |
13:08.01 | boudiccas | dos this work? well i ran aspell after i'd put it in but i see no change, so not to worry, snafu |
13:08.17 | z00dax | dick_turpin: you have terrible suppliers |
13:09.09 | goibhniu | boudiccas: maybe you need to install aspell? |
13:09.47 | z00dax | goibhniu: you are the gnome person! |
13:09.55 | z00dax | how do i add a keyboard shortcut to launch a $app |
13:09.57 | goibhniu | z00dax: I'm on kde now :( |
13:10.10 | z00dax | goibhniu: how very inconsiderate of you |
13:10.10 | goibhniu | and compiz does it's own thang |
13:10.17 | z00dax | I use metacity |
13:10.19 | boudiccas | dick_turpin: you muppet! getting me to run aspell when its called aspeller! now its working after running aspeller :))) problem solved |
13:10.36 | goibhniu | z00dax: there is a way though ... in settings->somewhere |
13:10.51 | z00dax | you mean system -> preferences ? |
13:11.14 | goibhniu | I dunno |
13:12.00 | z00dax | ah well, shall investigate later |
13:12.17 | goibhniu | sorry ... I might try gnome again next week |
13:12.37 | boudiccas | boy! that coffee is hot! and it tastes even hotter going down |
13:12.54 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Listen I'm busy placating morsing on a /p,m dealing with fault calls, shouting at my Director, trying to keep up with you lot sheesh! |
13:14.15 | boudiccas | k, its not a problem dick_turpin , not at this end anyway, its working now, ty |
13:14.40 | dick_turpin | So is it OK if I go for a wee and make a drink then? |
13:15.12 | boudiccas | only if done in that order, fluid out before fluids in |
13:15.42 | dick_turpin | brb |
13:17.13 | boudiccas | reminds me of the commode run just before lights out when i was on nights |
13:22.12 | boudiccas | how do you dcc chat with someone in irssi please? |
13:22.32 | wethrin | /help dcc |
13:22.33 | wethrin | :) |
13:22.38 | wethrin | I think just a /accept should work |
13:23.12 | wethrin | /dcc chat |
13:24.07 | boudiccas | ty |
13:30.41 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You getting /pmsg ? |
13:31.21 | boudiccas | dick_turpin: from whom? i've got one from morsing, but not you |
13:31.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You've answered my question |
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13:32.20 | boudiccas | thats nice, as i haven't a clue what were talking about |
13:32.28 | boudiccas | evening Leeds |
13:32.37 | Leeds | evening boudiccas |
13:34.01 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Its OK if you are now talking to morsing |
13:34.10 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: |
13:34.37 | boudiccas | well, i answer his questions dick_turpin but its just like an ongoing conversation |
13:35.09 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I don't think its fair for me to say anymore in an open channel |
13:36.02 | boudiccas | i now have a window in irssi open to q=11 x@channels.undernet.org that i cant access and cant close. any clues please?? |
13:36.14 | boudiccas | dick_turpin: fair enough |
13:36.24 | wethrin | boudiccas: /win close |
13:36.39 | dick_turpin | number? |
13:36.50 | boudiccas | q=11 |
13:36.59 | wethrin | err |
13:37.01 | boudiccas | wc q=11 |
13:37.37 | boudiccas | ah, done it using /wc 11 |
13:38.25 | boudiccas | the more i play with irssi the more i realise how good it is |
13:38.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: can you /pm me I cant seem to /pm you |
13:39.35 | goibhniu | dick_turpin:? |
13:39.38 | boudiccas | this might be the problem dick_turpin ...Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
13:39.52 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: K |
13:39.58 | goibhniu | boudiccas: morsing says to tell you he misses you |
13:40.07 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Oi |
13:40.20 | boudiccas | i havent worked out how to register my nick using irssi yet |
13:40.28 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: lo |
13:40.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Can you /pm me please |
13:41.45 | boudiccas | pocky??? whats that Leeds ??? it sounds vaguely indecent |
13:41.54 | Armand | slag term for pr0n?? :P |
13:45.02 | mikejw | slag term? |
13:45.15 | Armand | slang.. oops. :P |
13:45.24 | mikejw | :P |
13:46.51 | Leeds | I forget that you're not all Japanophiles like rhowe... |
13:49.59 | Leeds | they are a well-known Japanese snack - thin biscuit sticks, covered with a thin-ish layer of chocolate, except for one end so you can hold it |
13:50.01 | boudiccas | but you still havent told us Leeds what pocky is??? |
13:50.02 | mikejw | my friend is japanese and she is in an awesome band |
13:50.17 | bilarh | leeds: i remember them! (i think) |
13:50.23 | bilarh | leeds: in a greenish packet? |
13:50.55 | Leeds | the normal pack is red |
13:51.18 | bilarh | hmm |
13:51.22 | bilarh | oh well, never mind :-) |
13:51.29 | Leeds | but I think the "men's pocky" is in green - coffee flavoured |
13:51.36 | bilarh | i could have sworn i had something called that, but then it's *gasp* four years already since i went |
13:51.51 | bilarh | damn, time flies |
13:52.07 | Leeds | also, they have them in a bunch of other special flavours, including green tea |
13:52.53 | boudiccas | ahhh snuff |
13:53.33 | boudiccas | got the bugger! |
13:53.49 | boudiccas | an irritating little fly was really pissing me off! |
13:54.58 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Thats no way to talk about bilarh |
13:56.03 | boudiccas | i tiny mideg like creature that flies about erratically and alwasy just at the perihpherary of my vision and just serving to irritate me |
13:56.12 | boudiccas | *midge |
13:56.45 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I wouldn't stand for that mate |
13:59.14 | bilarh | dick_turpin: she was talking about your cock |
13:59.43 | bilarh | man i hate users |
13:59.54 | bilarh | why don't they just all roll over and stop pissing me off :P |
14:01.41 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I've switched my machine on and its not the same |
14:01.50 | dick_turpin | bilarh: It was OK last night |
14:01.58 | dick_turpin | bilarh: But now its different |
14:02.09 | bilarh | dick_turpin: f00k off! ;-) |
14:02.50 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Can I speak to your supervisor? you're customer support skills are terrible |
14:03.36 | boudiccas | dick_turpin: are you getting a pm request from me please? |
14:03.46 | Leeds | mmm... open faced club sand wedge |
14:03.57 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: No |
14:04.33 | boudiccas | ah, so how do i pm someone with irssi then. is it just like /msg dick_turpin then??? |
14:04.40 | antiphase | Or /query |
14:05.00 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Aha I'll try that then |
14:05.11 | antiphase | msg sends a message immediately, query opens a window but doesn't send anything immediately |
14:05.33 | antiphase | Same as all IRC clients afaik |
14:06.46 | antiphase | While you're down there... |
14:07.29 | goibhniu | boudiccas: have you already registered with freenode? /msg nickserv identify <passwd> |
14:07.32 | dick_turpin | antiphase: You've not paid me for last time and you didn't keep your promise "I won't..." |
14:07.41 | antiphase | Heh |
14:07.43 | mikejw | guys... |
14:08.18 | boudiccas | mikejw: that counts me out then :( |
14:08.29 | mikejw | is creating a permanent ssh tuunnel from one (dmz) subnet into another subnet a good idea? |
14:08.48 | mikejw | s/tuunel/tunnel |
14:08.51 | antiphase | Sounds like you should be using a real router |
14:09.14 | mikejw | yeah |
14:09.23 | mikejw | although... |
14:09.46 | mikejw | I think the real issue is that we shouldn't bother with a DMZ at all if one of the routers is a BT home hub |
14:10.03 | Armand | O_O |
14:10.04 | zmey_g | guys serious question. a friend wants to install mac os x on his LG ls55. it looks like mac os x on install can't see laptop's keyboard. so will it recognise the keyboard after install or after updates at least? |
14:10.41 | Armand | mikejw: I've heard those BT home hub's are weaker than wet toilet paper.. |
14:11.09 | mikejw | how can I prove that to my much esteemed co-workers? |
14:11.20 | Armand | show them the BT badge? |
14:11.21 | wethrin | zmey_g: An LG ls55 doesn't sound like a Mac |
14:11.34 | mikejw | lol |
14:12.10 | zmey_g | wethrin:> he sad he installed mac os on PC in the past |
14:12.18 | wethrin | Mac OS, or Darwin? |
14:12.20 | Armand | my cousin has a linux util which "bombs" them, and forces them to reset. |
14:12.35 | zmey_g | wethrin:> mac os X 10.4.6 |
14:12.53 | mikejw | Armand: I can believe it :/ |
14:13.16 | Armand | He's a fking genius.. I hardly understand half the stuff he has. :P |
14:14.32 | wethrin | zmey_g: Unsupported configuration, then |
14:15.36 | bilarh | mikejw: run ppp on top of ssh, that's what I say :) |
14:15.44 | Armand | I think he said, he can disable the WPA keys on them.. and force them to broadcast SSID? |
14:15.48 | zmey_g | wethrin:> i try to ask him whether he installed mac on pc straight or through emulation |
14:16.24 | goibhniu | zmey_g: etorix knows these things |
14:16.24 | mikejw | :) |
14:16.48 | Armand | I'll see if he's back from Uni.. at some point today. :P |
14:17.28 | mikejw | cool ask him to read my email for me :P |
14:17.33 | Armand | hehe |
14:17.58 | Armand | you got a Yahoo account?? ^_^ |
14:18.08 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Did you get my quote? have you recovered yet? |
14:18.28 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> i will ask him |
14:21.03 | zmey_g | guy sad it works nice under emulation. and start installing it on laptop, but keyboard not supported, and he stop |
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14:22.22 | goibhniu | zmey_g: it's illegal anyway isn't it |
14:23.50 | z00dax | dick_turpin: yes, and no |
14:24.02 | dick_turpin | z00dax: k |
14:24.20 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> ahhh sort of. but i wouldnt go that deep. |
14:24.38 | z00dax | i am quite sure the itx machines can go into rails though. otherwise its not worth it - putting them on shelves doubles the hosting cost |
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14:25.30 | Armand | hey z00dax. :) |
14:25.31 | mikejw | bilarh: do mean between the two subnets or outside coming in? |
14:25.41 | boudiccas | got him at last! |
14:25.43 | z00dax | Armand: hi |
14:25.52 | Armand | How are you? |
14:26.27 | bilarh | mikejw: you could do it between two subnets, yes |
14:26.33 | bilarh | or a single host to a network etc |
14:26.55 | mikejw | to provide an extra authentication 'layer'? |
14:27.43 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> guy lives in poor ...krainia and cant afford buying shiny mac, so i wouldn't blame him. |
14:28.09 | goibhniu | zmey_g: I would ... off to jail with him! |
14:28.36 | goibhniu | btw ... I think it's against freenode policy to discuss warez etc |
14:29.37 | bilarh | mikejw: i probably misunderstood what you wanted to do |
14:30.42 | mikejw | ok so it's not my idea... |
14:30.45 | Armand | right, I'm off to shower. Laters! |
14:31.00 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> ah ok. i use linux and i hope it's legal |
14:31.48 | mikejw | but the plan is to have (internet)--[adsl router]--[web/ftp server] |
14:33.03 | mikejw | another machine coming off the adsl router providing a ssh tunnel beyond a secondary hardware firewall which is the main ssh/svn server |
14:33.20 | mikejw | *which is where the ssh/svn server resides |
14:37.48 | antiphase | Why do you need a tunnel instead of just a firewall rule? |
14:40.19 | mikejw | I don't know |
14:41.04 | mikejw | what would the firewall rule look like? |
14:42.45 | mikejw | I think some third party guy is coming to check it out anyway |
14:44.52 | Leeds | three parties??? and I thought I was busy |
14:45.25 | wethrin | he's just a party animal |
14:45.33 | boudiccas | three parties and someone coming to check you out! mikejw you must be /hot/!!! |
14:46.25 | mikejw | I'm partied out |
14:47.19 | Leeds | hmm... I wish Google didn't think "Ping Chau" was a match for "Peng Chau" - they are two very different islands! |
14:50.19 | Leeds | one is to the west of HK island, one is to the far north-east of HK waters |
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14:55.47 | Leeds | AnneC_! |
14:59.07 | boudiccas | i wonder if sabine has had her baby yet? |
14:59.30 | niv_one_three | I am also cuirios |
14:59.46 | niv_one_three | need to install aspell soon - I guess |
15:18.48 | Leeds | "Dr. James Watson, co-founder of the DNA double helix" is a very odd way to describe him |
15:38.54 | mikejw | how do I enable gdm with fedora? |
15:50.01 | mikejw | please ignore me |
15:55.08 | boudiccas | mikejw: consider yourself ignored then :) |
15:55.34 | mikejw | ok :] |
16:03.44 | zmey_g | anybody has a box that's looking for a new home? |
16:05.00 | mikejw | Linux teal 2.6.22-gentoo-r8 #7 SMP Tue Oct 16 12:27:55 BST 2007 x86_64 Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU 5140 @ 2.33GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux |
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16:26.41 | hali | ffs, gentoo on a dual-core xeon box ... what a waste |
16:29.09 | boudiccas | lol |
16:30.05 | antiphase | Linux coriolis 2.6.17-gentoo-r8CORIOLIS #2 SMP Thu Oct 19 21:49:10 BST 2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
16:30.19 | antiphase | I admit I wouldn't do it again though |
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16:35.59 | goibhniu | hali: you're an ubuntuist ... innit? excited about gusty? couldn't care less? |
16:39.05 | mikejw | isn't there a party tonight? |
16:39.10 | goibhniu | is there? |
16:39.17 | antiphase | It's in Hackney, so take your stab vest |
16:39.22 | goibhniu | free b00z? |
16:40.22 | goibhniu | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=579219 |
16:43.25 | goibhniu | it's in my hood ... anyone going? |
16:45.58 | antiphase | Got any spare biscuits? |
16:47.16 | hali | goibhniu: i'm a corporate redhat whore |
16:47.51 | niv_one_three | "ffs, gentoo on a dual-core xeon box ... what a waste" why? |
16:48.08 | niv_one_three | I wish I had quad to do my upgrades |
16:48.08 | hali | niv_one_three: gentoo on anything but a small hobbyist box is kind of strange |
16:48.16 | hali | don't get me wrong, i like gentoo |
16:48.25 | hali | it's great for learning about stuff i guess |
16:48.27 | niv_one_three | depends on the demend for cutting edge |
16:48.31 | antiphase | IT just takes a long time to get stable, and you can never replicate what you've done |
16:48.42 | antiphase | Gentoo = toy |
16:48.48 | niv_one_three | hmm... |
16:49.02 | z00dax | rawhide always worked well for people who wanted totally bleeding edge |
16:49.09 | niv_one_three | I kind of agree |
16:49.33 | hali | exactly, try to submit a bug to a vendor and they are supposed to replicate it .... what version of X Y Z blabla |
16:50.14 | hali | classic question in #oracle, "why doesn't oracle support debian unstable branch foo/gentoo" |
16:51.07 | hali | simple answer, it would cost too much |
16:52.43 | goibhniu | as a desktop gentoo rocks IMO, you can pick and choose which bits you want to be stable and easily install and switch between versions |
16:53.07 | goibhniu | waiting 6 months/3 years to upgrade your browser just doesn't do it for me |
16:53.21 | antiphase | I use Firefox 1.5 and it shows me web pages. |
16:53.42 | mikejw | :D |
16:54.25 | antiphase | I admit there are odd problems with banking webshites, but it saves me 2 hours every time I don't have to compile the latest version |
16:55.08 | z00dax | gentoo isnt bad as a desktop |
16:55.15 | goibhniu | I was impressed with the upgrade to feisty though ... it fixed a lot of broken things and didn't break anything |
16:55.16 | z00dax | but only for people who are really involved with systems |
16:55.23 | z00dax | not for people who just want to use a desktop |
16:55.28 | goibhniu | I find gentoo the least hassle to look after |
16:55.30 | z00dax | and have most things work from most vendors |
16:55.41 | z00dax | goibhniu: but it needs looking after :) |
16:55.48 | goibhniu | the docs are great, and if you want to do something odd you can |
16:56.01 | goibhniu | z00dax: not really |
16:56.09 | z00dax | how much backports does gentoo get ? |
16:56.21 | antiphase | It needs sooooo much looking after, especially when a `emerge -NDuav world` makes your system blow up and not boot again |
16:56.38 | antiphase | and you're using RAID and LVM in an initramfs |
16:56.46 | goibhniu | honestly I've had more trouble with ubuntu |
16:57.00 | goibhniu | I just update once a week and get newer releases of stuff |
16:57.25 | z00dax | because i like to just use stuff, i update every 12 - 18 months, and i am quite happy with most stuff |
16:57.30 | goibhniu | z00dax: backports aren't relevant |
16:57.36 | z00dax | goibhniu: sure they are |
16:57.44 | z00dax | its the one thing that defines the idea of stable |
16:57.55 | goibhniu | you compile everything to match what you have on your system |
16:58.01 | z00dax | i dont want to rewrite all my apps in $language becuase noone in my distro is going to backport that major security issue |
16:58.22 | z00dax | and the only version that fix's it does not have $feature or $feature is broken that my app depends on |
16:59.02 | z00dax | if your distro isnt going to gurantee $api / $abi compliance for atleast some period of time, the idea of stable goes right out of the window |
16:59.20 | goibhniu | well ...e.g. I run firefox 1.5 alongside 2.0 ... both get updated with security fixes etc |
16:59.51 | goibhniu | you pick whatever version you want to stick with |
17:00.06 | goibhniu | you can easily freeze it to a major version number, downgrade etc |
17:00.38 | z00dax | sure, and the next time you hit a kernel security issues... |
17:00.57 | goibhniu | I don't understand |
17:01.01 | z00dax | you need to consider the whole desktop experience for someone - dont look at isolated pockets of human -> machine interface |
17:01.55 | z00dax | what happens on gentoo when there is a kernel security issue ? |
17:02.08 | goibhniu | you upgrade the kernel |
17:02.12 | z00dax | does everyone just update to whatever is the latest ? ( and where the fix mightbe ? ) |
17:02.26 | z00dax | right, and if this now breaks suspend for your laptop ? |
17:02.34 | goibhniu | you pick whatever one you want ... e.g. I run the one with suspend patches |
17:02.45 | z00dax | which might have gaping security holes |
17:02.58 | goibhniu | it's a pretty popular one |
17:03.12 | z00dax | as is windows |
17:03.24 | z00dax | quite popular |
17:03.58 | goibhniu | why do you think it's any less secure than centos? |
17:04.12 | goibhniu | the testing redhat does on it? |
17:04.13 | z00dax | s/secure/usable/ |
17:04.38 | goibhniu | well, we were taking security as an example no? |
17:04.49 | z00dax | eg. i know right now that the latest centos-5-kernel has no known exploit |
17:04.54 | goibhniu | I mean, the kernel I use gets updates ... I install them |
17:05.14 | z00dax | while i also know that suspend on my ferrari 4005 which worked in Nov last year, also works just fine today |
17:05.41 | goibhniu | yeah ... you're saying this is more likely to break in gentoo? |
17:05.44 | z00dax | thats not what you said - you said you update the kernel, which is different from 'the kenel gets updates, i install them ' |
17:06.04 | goibhniu | I mean there are new versions of it |
17:06.18 | z00dax | well, ati chipsets were broken through most of 2007 on upstreak kernels.... |
17:06.27 | z00dax | the 4005 is an ati mobo |
17:06.51 | z00dax | and no suspend didnt work on it pretty much through 2.6.22 to 24rc |
17:06.51 | goibhniu | and? |
17:07.09 | mikejw | sounds like it needs fixing |
17:07.34 | goibhniu | I don't see your point ... with gentoo or any other distro you can choose from a number of kernels |
17:08.12 | z00dax | mikejw: someone did fix it recently, should be ok again in .24 |
17:08.19 | mikejw | ok |
17:09.07 | z00dax | goibhniu: do all those kernels get all the security updates and fix's ? |
17:09.07 | zmey_g | Review: <Ubuntu's New 'Gutsy Gibbon' Brings Linux Out of the Jungle>i didn't know i'm still deep in jungle. |
17:09.20 | z00dax | btw, thats just one issue - easiest highlighted by kernel, but it stretches across pretty much everywhere |
17:09.56 | z00dax | and no, i am not saying one is better than the other - its just that gentoo does not really lend itself well to a general purpose average human being desktop |
17:10.00 | wethrin | CURRY? |
17:10.06 | z00dax | and yes, that is opnion |
17:10.10 | z00dax | opinion even |
17:10.18 | z00dax | wethrin: ! come to warren street by 7pm |
17:10.37 | wethrin | bah. I can't :( |
17:12.41 | goibhniu | z00dax: I'm just saying that I've run gentoo and ubuntu for quite a while and I find gentoo less hassle |
17:13.24 | goibhniu | I don't really see the point about kernel updates, I think gentoo offers more flexibility there too |
17:14.20 | goibhniu | i.e. if you want a specific kernel on ubuntu ... it's a lot more hassle to keep it up to date |
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19:40.40 | niv_one_three | simple question |
19:40.58 | niv_one_three | how to get an email once a host responds to ping? |
19:41.21 | antiphase | Silly question |
19:41.53 | niv_one_three | while ( ping <host> ) ; do mutt -s online me@email.net ; done |
19:41.56 | niv_one_three | right? |
19:42.13 | niv_one_three | guess the test stetment is wrong |
19:42.15 | antiphase | Do you like spam? |
19:42.24 | wethrin | you want an email every second? |
19:42.39 | niv_one_three | just hate to wait for my perents to power on the fax server.. |
19:42.52 | niv_one_three | no only email me once |
19:42.53 | niv_one_three | ok |
19:42.55 | niv_one_three | I see |
19:43.03 | antiphase | Just ping, wait for replies to come back, then do stuff |
19:43.10 | antiphase | Overoptimisation is A Bad Thing |
19:43.15 | niv_one_three | one liner? |
19:43.27 | antiphase | My solution ivolved a terminal, a monitor and your eyes |
19:43.29 | antiphase | ;) |
19:43.45 | niv_one_three | ping <host> && mutt -s on me@email |
19:43.58 | niv_one_three | I belive in email |
19:44.02 | niv_one_three | hmm |
19:44.11 | niv_one_three | I also need to learn bash |
19:44.18 | niv_one_three | and you guys help a lot :-) |
19:46.16 | niv_one_three | while ( ! `ping -c1 <host> |grep TTL' ) ; do mutt -s on me@email ; done ; ?? |
19:46.41 | niv_one_three | na I need two loops :-| |
19:46.44 | niv_one_three | dam it |
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19:47.32 | niv_one_three | may I use break? |
19:47.39 | niv_one_three | while ( ! `ping -c1 <host> |grep TTL' ) ; do mutt -s on me@email ; break ;done ; ?? |
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19:50.20 | wethrin | that's entirely wrong |
19:50.34 | wethrin | one, your quotes are mismatched |
19:50.41 | wethrin | two, you shouldn't use backticks |
19:50.49 | boudiccas | how do i load the aspeller script into irssi please? |
19:50.54 | wethrin | three, why use grep when you can use ping's exit code |
19:50.58 | wethrin | boudiccas: /load ? |
19:51.12 | boudiccas | tried that and it didn't work :( |
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