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06:11.58 | bilarh_ | morning folks |
06:12.08 | Discordian | good morning |
06:14.36 | bilarh_ | this bitlbee thingy rocks :D |
06:14.57 | bilarh_ | finally decent text mode msn |
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08:45.19 | Ch0Hag | For the literary inclined: |
08:45.27 | Ch0Hag | http://bash.org/?813975 |
08:56.19 | bilarh_ | ah the legend that is bash.org :D |
08:56.26 | bilarh_ | i'm re-reading top 100 again |
08:56.59 | Ch0Hag | You could say it's a classic, except classics need to mature with age. |
08:58.28 | bilarh_ | hmm, there's nothing mature abuot bash.org |
08:58.36 | bilarh_ | i wouldn't say a classic needs to mature with age, though |
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09:02.21 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Morning ugly :-) |
09:02.38 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin & goibhniu: get a room! |
09:02.44 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: life is good ... top of the morning to you too |
09:02.57 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: |
09:04.08 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I listened to the podcast, good judges of character those Americans? |
09:04.31 | goibhniu | "jono and the boys" |
09:04.52 | dick_turpin | pictures |
09:05.00 | bilarh_ | oh crap, wrong channel :-\ |
09:05.19 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I love the bit about changing the show title |
09:05.23 | goibhniu | heh |
09:05.25 | bilarh_ | how do you differentiate between a query window and a normal channel window in irssi? |
09:06.09 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Post it notes |
09:07.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I downloaded all the shows will listen to them over the next couple of days |
09:09.01 | goibhniu | the linuxactionshow is one of the best ones |
09:09.12 | goibhniu | they actually talk about linux! nearly all the time! |
09:09.43 | goibhniu | unlike lugradio ... in which they give ill informed opinions and make funny jokes |
09:10.08 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Not finished the latest episode, my only moan is that its typical American cheeseyness |
09:10.35 | goibhniu | yeah ... it's true |
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09:12.41 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Put it down it dosen't like it plus that sort of thing carries the death penalty is some US states |
09:12.55 | Armand | O_o |
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09:14.05 | goibhniu | Avnit97! |
09:15.31 | goibhniu | well Armand .. what's the plan for the day? |
09:15.58 | Armand | A have to look into website hosting services and transfering a web address. |
09:16.03 | Armand | ^ I |
09:16.35 | Armand | lol |
09:16.38 | Armand | All mine! :D |
09:16.57 | hali | at least basic single box hosting |
09:17.34 | Armand | I was looking at fasthosts.co.uk |
09:18.01 | Armand | but, that was the only one I checked last night. |
09:18.12 | dick_turpin | hali: 49p ?? for what? a day? a month? |
09:18.22 | hali | it's just a name :) |
09:19.03 | hali | they charge about 90 quid a month for a dedicated linux box |
09:19.03 | hali | http://www.49pence.com/ |
09:19.44 | Armand | My mate currently pays around £30 a month for hosting, and paid about £1000 for initial setup. |
09:19.46 | dick_turpin | hali: Ah, K we charge £120.00 per annum |
09:20.07 | Armand | fasthosts is around £50~200 pa. |
09:20.33 | hali | 120 GBP per year for a dedicated linux box? |
09:20.39 | hali | thats a pretty good deal |
09:21.31 | goibhniu | vps surely? |
09:21.37 | dick_turpin | I use these people for my personal web stuff (site, email etc) http://ukwebsolutionsdirect.co.uk/ |
09:22.00 | hali | must be vps or waay dodgy :) |
09:22.27 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: For a linux box you'd have to buy a machine from us, but the hosting price is correct |
09:22.41 | cpufreak | hetzner.de are good value too |
09:23.26 | Armand | I like the pricing on fasthosts, but I'm still gonna have to get the address transfered. |
09:25.00 | hali | servercity is shit though ... avoid using them |
09:25.09 | hali | they charge a lot and the server is extremly poor |
09:25.32 | Armand | Noted. :) |
09:25.43 | hali | they charge us 135pm for 1U .5amp colo (we supplied the box) ... just for one of our spare mailrelays |
09:27.02 | Armand | O_O |
09:27.13 | goibhniu | hetzner.de looks excellent |
09:27.42 | Armand | Well, I would prefer a UK service. :) |
09:28.00 | goibhniu | racialist! |
09:28.08 | Armand | lol |
09:28.23 | goibhniu | they've no bandwidth cap ... I've never seen that before |
09:28.26 | Armand | I like to know I'm gonna get english speaking support. :) |
09:28.35 | goibhniu | not that I've looked that much in fairness |
09:29.16 | goibhniu | but they're german so they probably know what they're talking about ... which is better than telling you rubbish in english |
09:29.16 | hali | fasthosts look ok |
09:29.41 | dick_turpin | They seem to get recommended by everyone |
09:31.06 | etorix | hetzner are ok, but we have german-speakers to talk to em |
09:31.33 | Armand | yeah, I can only understand half the hetzner site. |
09:32.16 | etorix | we have a sponsored server from them |
09:33.53 | Armand | Oh, and.. it's all priced in euros. |
09:33.59 | Armand | >_< |
09:35.31 | dick_turpin | But you'll still find 'fair usage' buried in the T's & C's |
09:35.47 | Armand | yeah.. FUP's suck ass.. |
09:36.17 | goibhniu | last time I looked it was all xGB per month and then a massive fine for everything over that |
09:37.02 | dick_turpin | Its the classic get out of jail clause a bit like the UPTO scam |
09:37.14 | Armand | ? |
09:37.29 | Armand | Oh.. BT? :P |
09:37.58 | goibhniu | I wonder how much my via c5 is costing me to run a month |
09:38.22 | dick_turpin | Armand: Everyone, including us does it, you have to or else wingers moan I'm not getting 8MB |
09:39.19 | Armand | Cable rawks. :) |
09:44.55 | dick_turpin | Jeese it's only a quarter to eleven 5pm seems along way off |
09:46.16 | bilarh_ | yeah me too, but i get let out on day release at 3pm at least :) |
09:46.59 | Armand | MUHAHAHA? |
09:47.36 | bilarh_ | and a saucer! |
09:47.52 | Ch0Hag | dick_turpin: Is that cable still asvailable? |
09:47.57 | Ch0Hag | available |
09:48.20 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: stop with your tedious work rubbish ;-) |
09:48.22 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Um yeah |
09:48.30 | Ch0Hag | Sorry. I have a house to wire. |
09:48.40 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: ah, as long as it's not work related it's ok |
09:48.46 | Ch0Hag | And mum's home today so there's no skiving and watching telly instead. |
09:49.09 | Ch0Hag | Meh if it was work I'd just make them buy expensive stuff. |
09:49.09 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: day time tv makes you stupid anyway, so that's probably a good thing |
09:49.22 | Ch0Hag | bilarh_: By 'telly' I mean the contents of /Stuff. |
09:49.42 | bilarh_ | ch0hag: ah :P |
09:49.49 | Ch0Hag | dick_turpin: Howso? |
09:50.02 | Ch0Hag | I will get card details. |
09:53.51 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Just /pm'd you |
09:54.24 | Ch0Hag | Da. |
09:54.31 | Ch0Hag | Let me get the plastic. |
09:55.02 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: You need to phone me, will not deal with this over an open channel |
09:55.08 | Ch0Hag | Of course. |
09:55.12 | dick_turpin | K |
09:56.31 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Before you bother, you won't get delivery until Monday I'd say |
09:56.39 | Ch0Hag | Do. |
09:56.47 | Ch0Hag | That's fine. I have a bit of cable left still. |
09:57.14 | Ch0Hag | I don't suppose you also have a halfway decent rj45 crimper do you? |
09:57.21 | Ch0Hag | Since I'm not paying... |
09:57.47 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: I can get a price if you like? |
09:58.09 | Ch0Hag | Well when google wakes up you'll be rung. |
09:58.13 | Ch0Hag | Is it likely to be <£10? |
09:58.25 | Ch0Hag | I have one, so it's not important enough to splash on. |
09:58.29 | Ch0Hag | It's just a crap one. |
10:00.16 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Probably about £50.000 cant get a price for another 15 mins or so |
10:00.24 | dick_turpin | 50.00 |
10:00.56 | Ch0Hag | And did you say rj45 plugs were 70p each (in pack of whatever)? |
10:01.03 | Ch0Hag | That's rather high. |
10:01.14 | Ch0Hag | Why 15 minutes? |
10:01.22 | Ch0Hag | Are you on the bus on the way in or something? :) |
10:01.49 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Our buyer is having a crap anymore questions? |
10:01.58 | Ch0Hag | No no. |
10:02.08 | Ch0Hag | If you're busy go do your thing. |
10:02.18 | Ch0Hag | I'll call later. |
10:02.23 | dick_turpin | K |
10:03.28 | Ch0Hag | I need some breakfast anyway. |
10:04.35 | Armand | w00t, fasthosts do the domain name transfers for free. :) |
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10:07.24 | kjalil | hmm, is there a way to slow down a download in linux? there are several such programs on windows, any for linux? |
10:08.13 | goibhniu | wondershaper is a script that makes you feel like you've stepped back in time |
10:08.14 | etorix | wget accepts limit-rate args |
10:08.39 | kjalil | Armand: shared connection, i want to download slowly, so other people on the connection are not inconvenienced |
10:08.48 | Armand | good point. :) |
10:09.19 | kjalil | goibhniu: hi! |
10:09.24 | kjalil | goibhniu: where's morning? |
10:09.31 | kjalil | s/morning/morsing |
10:09.39 | goibhniu | he's on #fgllug |
10:09.52 | kjalil | what's that? |
10:10.08 | goibhniu | a friendlier place |
10:10.33 | kjalil | goibhniu: hmm, i almost thought the f stood for something else :) |
10:10.43 | goibhniu | gosh no |
10:11.30 | kjalil | wondershaper eh? |
10:12.08 | goibhniu | but that just does some iptables stuff I think |
10:12.49 | kjalil | goibhniu: let me try it. i tried google but got useless results |
10:13.09 | goibhniu | http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ |
10:13.40 | kjalil | goibhniu: thanks, i just apt-getted it |
10:13.53 | dick_turpin | ibot: clip goibhniu round the lughole |
10:14.20 | goibhniu | it seems like it hasn't been updated in 3 years .. I used it last year though and it worked fine |
10:14.47 | goibhniu | I tried 513 other things before it and none of them worked |
10:15.23 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: you dropped in and you didn't even stay for a cup of tea :( |
10:16.52 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I know, it was the thought of four blokes sat in an empty room, seemed kinda sad |
10:17.53 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Thank god bilarh_ wasn't there he'd have tried to goose us |
10:19.35 | goibhniu | kjalil: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Packet_Shaping might be of interest ... I'm beginning to doubt that it was actually wondershaper that I used in the end :( |
10:19.58 | goibhniu | I think I could limit the bandwidth used by a particular app rather than an interface |
10:29.47 | antiphase | You can do it per port using tc |
10:30.21 | antiphase | It's not straightforward mind you, although I could dig out a script I use when l33ching from Usenet |
10:30.24 | kjalil | goibhniu: wondershaper seems to be working. i don't want to get too complex using 'tc' i was just wondering if there was a simple way in linux. wondershaper seems to be working |
10:30.36 | cpufreak | tc isn't complete |
10:30.37 | cpufreak | er |
10:30.39 | cpufreak | complex |
10:30.59 | goibhniu | I think I tried trickle too ... didn't really work though |
10:31.24 | kjalil | cpufreak: maybe not, i just wanted something like wondershaper eth0 10 10 and it's done and I have other things to do :) |
10:40.42 | Ch0Hag | Eggs have been cooked and eaten. |
10:40.54 | Ch0Hag | dick_turpin: Let me know when you've got a few minutes and I'll give you a bell. |
10:44.45 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Ring me now if you like |
10:48.13 | Ch0Hag | Yes that really is me... |
10:55.22 | zmey_g | saw on BBC this morning touching story like dolphin lost hist tail and pps made an artificial tail for him and he sort of adapting how to his new life. Morning All. |
10:56.20 | zmey_g | i just curios if i had lost my tail who would think twice about it? |
10:56.41 | goibhniu | eek ... re gutsy upgrade: 20% (of 34) say "got many problems that i've not been able to solve" |
11:00.09 | goibhniu | zmey_g: my favourite band are on radioinkorrekt! :D |
11:00.20 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Nice to speak with you, thanks for order, processing it now |
11:00.38 | zmey_g | :) i just listen to it. |
11:00.43 | zmey_g | french |
11:01.53 | zmey_g | unfortunately i don't understand the lyrics. i hope it'a love story between man and woman |
11:02.30 | zmey_g | ivre de son |
11:02.38 | goibhniu | I think it has something to do with alien worms infiltrating the sewage system of large cities |
11:03.24 | zmey_g | thanks god i was not far away from truth. |
11:03.30 | Armand | anyone here familiar with ChanServ and setting access levels? |
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11:05.01 | etorix | /msg chanserv help levels |
11:05.15 | Armand | didn't help. :P |
11:05.37 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: there's a new compiz release? |
11:06.14 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Is there? |
11:08.05 | goibhniu | odd .. when updating I see compiz 0.6.2!? |
11:08.09 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: That's why I was reticent |
11:09.21 | goibhniu | wft? .. it's also not mentioned on the forums |
11:09.49 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Do you need to borrow my glasses by any chance? |
11:10.17 | goibhniu | well, if I can install it anyway ... I'll be sure to let you know |
11:10.31 | goibhniu | maybe it's a secret release |
11:11.41 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I wonder if it got into the tree by accident? |
11:13.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Welcome to another edition of Compiz Fusion Community News. Over the past fortnight we have seen numerous fixes in preparation for the 0.6.0 release and some new features along the way. |
11:13.28 | goibhniu | yeah ... and that was posted yesterday |
11:13.40 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Ah you read it too then? |
11:14.54 | mikejw | hey dudes |
11:15.11 | dick_turpin | :-) |
11:15.35 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: it is the compiz package as opposed to compiz-fusion ... I dunno .. I'm gonna leave it to one side for now |
11:16.30 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Aha! But thats weird while in effect they are the same they are in fact NOT |
11:17.10 | goibhniu | mikejw: sorry, addressing "chaps" or "dudes" is illegal ... "guys", "entities", "persons", "people" are preferred |
11:17.33 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: If you have compiz installed then try and run an installation of compiz-fusion it falls over |
11:17.35 | mikejw | sorry entity |
11:17.46 | goibhniu | mikejw: np |
11:18.03 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Why is it illega? |
11:18.12 | dick_turpin | illegal? |
11:18.20 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: but for me compiz is a dependency of compiz-fusion |
11:18.49 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: it's mean |
11:18.51 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Its you're own fault for running a pants distro :-P ;-) |
11:19.34 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Mean? How's that then? |
11:19.58 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: it's like saying "hello men" |
11:20.25 | goibhniu | not everyone in the world is a man btw |
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11:22.47 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: What about "Hi Girls"? |
11:24.36 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: now look what you've done |
11:24.54 | dick_turpin | Who killed xteddy, bastards |
11:26.06 | Armand | sorry, I let my dogs loose. |
11:26.45 | goibhniu | maybe she'll never be back :( |
11:26.46 | zmey_g | "hi comrades", would suit me. |
11:26.53 | Armand | "I know a song that will get on your nerves" ?? |
11:27.01 | Armand | ^_^ |
11:27.41 | dick_turpin | Good morning starshine, the earth says hello, you twinkle above us, we twinkle below |
11:28.16 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I dare you to sing the corus |
11:29.28 | dick_turpin | http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Hair/Good-Morning-Starshine.html |
11:30.28 | goibhniu | Gliddy glub gloopy Nibby nabby noopy La la la lo lo Sabba sibby sabba Nooby abba nabba Le le lo lo Tooby ooby walla Nooby abba naba Early morning singing song |
11:30.54 | Armand | X_x |
11:30.59 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Bastard, you just did cut-n-paste didn't you |
11:31.13 | goibhniu | I can't claim to know the melody |
11:31.27 | goibhniu | yeah ... I ran it through vim first tho |
11:31.41 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: From your photo you could've been in it! ;-) |
11:32.09 | goibhniu | cool! |
11:33.25 | goibhniu | and you obviously like it too |
11:33.42 | goibhniu | I believe it involves a lot of nudity |
11:33.51 | Armand | OMG.. guy who lives directly above me just phoned me. |
11:34.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: My father saw it, mum was not impressed when she read the program regarding all the nudity |
11:34.11 | Armand | lazy bastard.. |
11:34.44 | dick_turpin | Armand: Ha I can top that my daughters text each other while in their bedrooms |
11:34.57 | Armand | easy.. slaps. :) |
11:35.22 | goibhniu | when I was a child and we had bunk beds we wrote messages on toilet paper and scrolled it up and down |
11:35.36 | Armand | lol |
11:35.59 | Armand | I shared a room with my 2 brothers when we were kids.. we just talked. |
11:36.03 | goibhniu | it was the giggling that always got us caught |
11:36.09 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: ROTFLMAO, now thats pure genius humour |
11:36.10 | Armand | no-one told us not to. :P |
11:36.28 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: 4 srs |
11:36.51 | dick_turpin | I proclaim goibhniu King for today |
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11:37.39 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Man that was funny I'm still chuckling now |
11:38.04 | Ch0Hag | Others are not allowed good days. |
11:38.15 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I must find an animated gif and post it as a blog |
11:38.55 | goibhniu | heh |
11:39.20 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You complete and utter bastard I cant stop laughing |
11:40.21 | goibhniu | ok .. enough laughing now ... it wasn't a joke |
11:42.37 | goibhniu | irc over tp? |
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11:56.47 | Armand | laters all. :) |
12:01.10 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Urgent. I may not be able to supply you with your goods! Price of cable has not practically tripled |
12:01.37 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Awaiting one last supplier, not taken any money from your card yet |
12:01.50 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: So everything is on hold |
12:02.05 | dick_turpin | now |
12:06.05 | Ch0Hag | Oh. |
12:06.40 | Ch0Hag | Let me know when you hear from them and I'll see what I can do.p |
12:10.04 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: Just as an example you're looking at 110.00 for a box of sheilded, as I say I'm waiting for one more price |
12:10.33 | Ch0Hag | That's about what I found everywhere else :( |
12:10.39 | Ch0Hag | Why are the prices so insane? |
12:11.02 | Ch0Hag | Expensive I can cope with, but £100+ for a bit of wire is something else. |
12:11.14 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: As discussed yesterday, price of copper is through the roof |
12:12.09 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: If you have some wire lying around doing nothing take it to the local metal merchants you'll make a mint |
12:14.03 | Ch0Hag | heh |
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12:19.58 | Ch0Hag | The interesting (and annoying) thing is, most of the insave prices are about 50% for the shielding. |
12:20.07 | Ch0Hag | insane |
12:25.12 | zmey_g | anybody is selling cheap box London area? |
12:28.12 | goibhniu | a cheap PC? |
12:28.32 | goibhniu | ebuyer have preinstalled linux boxes for ~ £150 I think |
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12:38.52 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> oh yes nice. |
12:40.08 | zmey_g | nice system: HP ProLiant ML110 G4 Xeon 3040 1860-2MB/1066 Dual Core / £230 |
12:47.48 | hali | zmey_g: damn, good price |
12:49.14 | hali | probably shit graphics though |
12:52.52 | hali | pikey! |
12:53.16 | boudiccas | already there |
12:54.14 | zmey_g | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/128282 |
12:58.33 | zmey_g | hali:> +£100 for 2gig RAM, 160gig sata. nice £330- for the thingy |
13:20.47 | mikejw | on a serious note... |
13:21.07 | mikejw | does anyone know of an actually quite ethically sound method of disposing of old hardware? |
13:21.55 | dick_turpin | mikejw: Is it broken? |
13:22.06 | boudiccas | donate it to charity as a working system |
13:22.50 | mikejw | *some* of it is actually quite broken yes.. and I've kind of given up trying to work what |
13:23.35 | mikejw | there's a nice ATI card that I guess I could flog.. assuming it works |
13:24.40 | dick_turpin | mikejw: I was thinking in terms of some of the refurb guys I buy from, they might have been interested in buy 'quantity' off you |
13:24.52 | dick_turpin | buying |
13:25.06 | mikejw | I'm really not talking about much |
13:25.25 | mikejw | just enough to fill the bottom of my wardrobe |
13:25.37 | dick_turpin | mikejw: Bury it :-) |
13:25.40 | mikejw | lol |
13:27.58 | dick_turpin | mikejw: Here's another idea, fuse it all together, give the lump a cool name, enter it for the Turner prize |
13:28.20 | zmey_g | dick_turpin:> lol |
13:29.21 | mikejw | yes I think I'll call it 'Kinetic Sex' |
13:30.10 | dick_turpin | mikejw: bilarh_ will give you fiftey quid for tat |
13:30.14 | dick_turpin | that |
13:30.25 | dick_turpin | fifty |
13:30.30 | mikejw | for waht? |
13:30.37 | mikejw | what |
13:30.44 | dick_turpin | Kinetic Sex |
13:30.59 | mikejw | how do you know he will? |
13:31.09 | dick_turpin | In fact any kind of sex ;-) |
13:31.51 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: You big bottom boil what you doing |
13:35.39 | boudiccas | sausages and snuff |
13:36.13 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: scarily enough, i'm working at the moment |
13:36.21 | bilarh_ | bloody users broke the scheduler again |
13:36.43 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Rotflmao its the way you tell em |
13:37.42 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: You don't know the meaning of the word work |
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13:41.46 | popey | noo |
13:41.48 | popey | er |
13:41.50 | popey | moo |
13:42.17 | dick_turpin | Ch0Hag: You won't be getting your order for definite, unless you want to pay the higher price |
13:43.34 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: i read it in a dictionary once, but i forgot what it means |
13:43.57 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Wanna play the support game then? |
13:45.37 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: how does it work? |
13:45.52 | dick_turpin | I cant send emails |
13:46.28 | dick_turpin | I can receive |
13:46.44 | dick_turpin | when I send the login box pops up |
13:47.05 | dick_turpin | but it has a different user name and password |
13:48.44 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: is this on windows? |
13:49.13 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Yeah, had this one about 30 mins ago, you're gonna love it |
13:49.39 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: ah ok... i think you'll have to speak to the windows boys... would you like me to connect you? |
13:50.02 | bilarh_ | well deflected! |
13:50.14 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Hm rubbish music |
13:50.43 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Back to the story |
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13:51.47 | dick_turpin | It'll send, but its the wrong user name and password |
13:54.25 | bilarh_ | aha? |
14:12.00 | starshine | 21 |
14:12.15 | starshine | (woops wrong window) |
14:12.21 | wethrin | SEVENTY FOUR! |
14:12.35 | starshine | 42. hike |
14:12.43 | Armand | Hey guys.. looks like I've got that website gig. :D |
14:12.50 | starshine | ooh congrats |
14:13.25 | Armand | in two weeks time, but still.. will give me something to brag about. :) |
14:13.43 | wethrin | you be a web monkey! *points* |
14:13.48 | Armand | hehe |
14:14.11 | Armand | Means I have to brush up on my lame-ass HTML skills. :P |
14:14.18 | wethrin | And CSS |
14:14.21 | wethrin | It's all about CSS now |
14:14.28 | Armand | don't think I need to, tbh. |
14:14.36 | wethrin | Armand: Do frames make a website look professional? |
14:14.42 | starshine | <3 css |
14:14.43 | Armand | I think so.. |
14:15.08 | starshine | wethrin: as in other sorts of fashion, only if you make them so the seams don't show. |
14:15.43 | Armand | I like frames, but a few profession web guys I talk to don't. |
14:16.09 | starshine | the advantgae of fames is that something that refreshes or changes often can be seperated from things that don't change much. |
14:16.16 | starshine | so caching habits can be controlled. |
14:16.24 | Armand | *professional* |
14:16.34 | Armand | bit stoned, can't read. :P |
14:16.45 | starshine | the disadvantage of frames is that they're rectangular and make a page look like a pamphlet |
14:17.00 | starshine | which to *some* people, is exactly what was expected of a professional |
14:17.03 | starshine | does that help? |
14:17.07 | wethrin | iframes! :) |
14:18.28 | starshine | evil adframes :/ |
14:18.43 | Armand | I can do a frames site, and I think I might for this one. |
14:19.08 | Armand | Last one I did was fubar, as the free webhost put banners on every page :( |
14:20.38 | starshine | see now that's where css comes in, because you slip a div around the required freehost crud, and then place it wherever you want |
14:20.58 | Armand | cool |
14:21.38 | starshine | tizag.com for quick up to speed on css, and csszengarden for good ideas how to inflict cool looks on boring pages. have fun |
14:22.02 | Armand | :) |
14:22.06 | starshine | must head to work now. early meeting |
14:22.34 | Armand | have fun. :) |
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16:14.12 | mikejw | XMLHttpRequest ftw imho |
16:15.14 | boudiccas | has sabine had her baby yet? she should have been induced yesterday if she hadnt had it by then |
16:20.41 | Leeds | there has been a flat sold in HK for about $14million this week |
16:20.52 | Armand | O_O |
16:20.58 | Armand | how flat was it?> |
16:21.29 | Leeds | that's not HK$ |
16:21.34 | Leeds | that's US$ |
16:21.41 | Leeds | that's 7 million quid |
16:22.14 | Armand | Was it a specially designed earthquake proof origami flat(pack) ? |
16:22.52 | Leeds | no |
16:23.16 | Leeds | 3200 square foot flat |
16:23.20 | Armand | O_O |
16:23.34 | Armand | I could use that as a factory. :P |
16:24.15 | Leeds | average monthly income in HK is something like $13000 |
16:24.19 | Leeds | HK$ |
16:24.27 | wethrin | What's that in real money? |
16:24.50 | Leeds | HK$-UK£ is about 15.5-1 |
16:25.28 | wethrin | So about £800-850/month |
16:26.21 | Leeds | on which, if you have anything over basic allowance (e.g. married, kids, grandparents living with you) you are unlikely to pay any income tax |
16:29.02 | wethrin | nod |
16:52.05 | goibhniu | Armand: congrats! |
16:52.15 | Armand | huh? |
16:52.44 | Armand | Ahh.. that! |
16:52.52 | Armand | :) |
16:53.16 | Armand | His current website is so shit. |
16:53.27 | goibhniu | what are we talking here ... html? ... ruby? .. beans? |
16:53.41 | Armand | probably quite basic, so HTML. |
16:53.41 | goibhniu | is it a freelance gig? |
16:53.45 | Armand | yup. :) |
16:53.49 | goibhniu | ah cool |
16:54.01 | goibhniu | is your client gonna maintain it? |
16:54.13 | Armand | I've done loads of work for this guy, mostly upgrading & repairing his home PC. |
16:54.23 | Armand | know him about 3 years. |
16:54.55 | goibhniu | good stuff |
16:55.33 | Armand | Well, it's kudos, innit. :) |
16:56.28 | goibhniu | ah ... and that's who you were sorting out the hosting for? |
16:56.34 | Armand | yup. :) |
16:56.43 | Armand | it's for his shop, he makes dentures. |
16:56.54 | goibhniu | you'll hardly need a dedicated server then :) |
16:57.06 | goibhniu | server side includes would be handy |
16:57.21 | Armand | nah, just a basic webhost.. with some half-decent software features. |
16:57.53 | Armand | Will probably get the £3.99 a month package from fasthosts. |
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16:58.13 | goibhniu | that sounds fine |
16:58.22 | Armand | linux, ofc. :) |
16:58.48 | goibhniu | sick brov |
16:58.57 | Armand | bruv.. but, lol. :) |
16:59.45 | goibhniu | I heard of a python based client side cms that sounded half decent ... I dunno if that would be of interest to you |
16:59.56 | goibhniu | you don't need anything on the server |
17:00.46 | goibhniu | by client side ... I mean .. that you do your "site management" on your own machine ... and publish it to the site |
17:00.50 | Armand | Well, I know that python has something to do with some kind of coding.. so, Huh?? |
17:01.15 | goibhniu | sorry .. you're not asking for advice ... but if you want some .. just ask |
17:01.33 | Armand | :) |
17:03.28 | goibhniu | zmey_g: yer missus might be interested in: http://cutandpaste.com/events/ |
17:05.20 | zmey_g | nice |
17:05.55 | Armand | goibhniu: http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/hosting/linux-home/full-details/ |
17:07.22 | goibhniu | you get a shell account and everything! ... schweet! |
17:07.58 | Armand | Thats for remote access, right? |
17:08.06 | Armand | command line & such? |
17:09.03 | goibhniu | yep .. it seems to be the cheapest thing they have ... I would think that bare ftp would be sufficient, but for £4 pm why not get all that too :) |
17:09.33 | Armand | :) |
17:13.53 | Armand | So, in 2 weeks time.. I'll be sorting that out. :D |
17:15.58 | Armand | have to go now though.. |
17:16.02 | Armand | laters all. :) |
17:22.25 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> playing with mikmod. very nice cli music player! |
17:23.21 | goibhniu | interesting |
17:24.02 | goibhniu | can it handle mp3 playlists? |
17:25.13 | zmey_g | it plays .mod files |
17:25.27 | zmey_g | http://members.tripod.com/~sman728/mods.html |
17:25.44 | goibhniu | ah :D |
17:26.28 | zmey_g | brings me back to the commodore era |
17:26.46 | zmey_g | very romantic :D |
17:26.57 | goibhniu | I think you'll enjoy http://podcasts.resonancefm.com/archives/632 |
17:27.44 | goibhniu | 8bit music is all hip now innit? |
17:28.24 | goibhniu | the 80s are so much better when you can look back at them and laugh |
17:28.25 | zmey_g | yeah |
17:29.05 | goibhniu | although I'd say the 80s were quite different for you! |
17:29.51 | zmey_g | let me think :) |
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17:30.33 | zmey_g | life behind steel curtains. mmm.... it was something :) |
17:32.57 | zmey_g | each peace of culture was handled with real care :) |
17:33.07 | goibhniu | my folks asked one of their tour guides in Moscow for her opinion about the whole thing |
17:33.16 | goibhniu | she said she'd like the tzars back!? |
17:34.36 | zmey_g | hhm.. don't think so |
17:34.53 | goibhniu | she admitted it wasn't a very common opinion :) |
17:35.13 | goibhniu | some people really get off on that royalty shenanigans |
17:35.23 | goibhniu | off with their heads I say |
17:35.42 | zmey_g | may be her grands where important and she thinks she might be as well |
17:36.11 | zmey_g | common sense of guild |
17:36.49 | zmey_g | there is no need to kill somebody and admire him later on. |
17:38.03 | zmey_g | tzar's times gone. i dont think anybody would regret too much about it. |
17:38.19 | goibhniu | I think she was impressed by the wealth and the power etc |
17:38.28 | goibhniu | the symbolism of it all |
17:38.35 | zmey_g | it was ages ago. no one remember |
17:38.44 | goibhniu | there are plenty of royal families still around |
17:39.32 | goibhniu | I guess she spends her days showing tourists around palaces ... it must do strange things to your mind |
17:40.08 | zmey_g | if you ask me about past times, i wouldnt think about royalties but about USSR times rather. |
17:40.31 | zmey_g | it's somewhat i still remember |
17:40.54 | goibhniu | of course ... it was a fairly oddball remark ... they were expecting her to compare the USSR with now |
17:41.18 | zmey_g | exactly! |
17:41.29 | goibhniu | the parents were extremely impressed with the public transport in Moscow |
17:41.40 | zmey_g | tell me more |
17:41.52 | goibhniu | the commies were great at infrastructure ... sometimes |
17:42.12 | goibhniu | they also said they were blown away with all the flashy shops |
17:42.28 | zmey_g | i was once in Moscow. what struck me was Undeground!!! |
17:42.28 | goibhniu | they couldn't find "normal" shops or super markets |
17:43.05 | goibhniu | just all designer branded high class shops |
17:43.14 | zmey_g | i was impressed by GUM |
17:43.52 | zmey_g | GUM is a shop. i think you need at least 2 days to look around there |
17:44.04 | goibhniu | wow! |
17:44.14 | zmey_g | massive hwooo... |
17:44.27 | goibhniu | budapest seems to have some massive malls too |
17:44.39 | goibhniu | krakow didn't though |
17:44.57 | goibhniu | I guess I wouldn't conclude it was a natural post communist thing |
17:45.08 | zmey_g | sure all Soviet block tried to mimic Russia. |
17:45.25 | goibhniu | malls are good in cold weather anyway |
17:45.57 | zmey_g | i wasn't impressed by Red square. really tiny |
17:46.07 | goibhniu | we were considering moving to warsaw last night |
17:46.17 | goibhniu | poland is great |
17:46.32 | zmey_g | are your misses polish? |
17:46.50 | goibhniu | oh .. they did have some story about stalin's grave (or was it lenin?) |
17:47.01 | goibhniu | nah ... she's dutch |
17:47.08 | goibhniu | there's a good film school in warsaw tho |
17:47.27 | zmey_g | don't worry. could be worth. <joke> |
17:48.05 | goibhniu | :) |
17:48.17 | Discordian | The intellectual version of that joke is called by name or value |
17:48.28 | zmey_g | Stalin was mummified and put to the mausoleum |
17:48.57 | Discordian | Lenin was |
17:49.01 | Discordian | and still is |
17:49.04 | zmey_g | but than taken away and berried |
17:49.13 | Discordian | and yes |
17:49.17 | goibhniu | ah .. must have been lenin then |
17:49.25 | Discordian | I'm wrong |
17:49.32 | Discordian | lenin isn't mumified |
17:50.00 | goibhniu | anyway .. there was a crowd of old commies protesting around the mummy |
17:50.03 | Discordian | A whole branch of Russian science exists to keep his body in the state it is |
17:50.16 | goibhniu | and the parents were very impressed with how the police managed them |
17:50.34 | zmey_g | when the hole humanity will annihilate itself, Lenin will be the only sorce of DNA. <another joke> |
17:51.12 | zmey_g | Discordian:> true |
17:52.02 | zmey_g | Lenin was balsamed by prof Vorobiev if i remember right. might be wrong |
17:52.33 | Discordian | Dunno |
17:52.49 | Discordian | Very strange think to do |
17:52.53 | Discordian | thing |
17:53.28 | zmey_g | and the original recipe of the balsam stuff was created by another prof Pirogov i think, who balsamed himself nicely :) |
17:55.18 | zmey_g | Discordian:> very odd stuff. |
17:55.56 | zmey_g | goibhniu:> did your parents try shashlik :) |
17:56.07 | goibhniu | I don't think so |
17:56.13 | goibhniu | I haven't spoken to them since |
17:56.14 | Discordian | what's shashlik? |
17:56.24 | goibhniu | cow on a stick :D |
17:56.32 | zmey_g | dead cow |
17:56.42 | Discordian | beef kebabs? |
17:56.50 | zmey_g | sort of |
17:57.04 | zmey_g | but marinated first |
17:57.15 | Discordian | I don't eat cow |
17:57.20 | Discordian | I like kebabs though |
17:57.56 | zmey_g | and smoked |
17:58.22 | Discordian | I'd probably like the lamb version |
17:59.03 | zmey_g | lambs here in the UK tastes differently |
17:59.12 | zmey_g | i dont know why |
17:59.28 | zmey_g | better taste |
17:59.31 | Discordian | really? |
17:59.54 | Discordian | Hmmm |
17:59.55 | zmey_g | yes. there is no specific smell |
18:00.18 | Discordian | lamb here = young sheep I think |
18:00.28 | zmey_g | may be the diet different |
18:00.45 | Discordian | Hmmm |
18:01.03 | Discordian | Actually lamb is to sheep as beef/steak are to cow |
18:01.23 | zmey_g | i didn't try lamb here for some time because of the fear of smell. |
18:01.36 | zmey_g | but when i tried it i like it |
18:01.43 | Discordian | french derived words for the meat |
18:01.55 | Discordian | and english derived word for the animal |
18:02.18 | Discordian | lamb doesn't smell |
18:02.32 | zmey_g | good neighbours |
18:02.54 | Discordian | except if you have lots of garlic and chilli sauce |
18:03.18 | zmey_g | garlic is good for you |
18:03.28 | Discordian | I love garlic |
18:03.39 | zmey_g | i like it when i'm off |
18:03.41 | Discordian | I eat it raw sometimes |
18:03.51 | zmey_g | yeah |
18:04.43 | Discordian | Though I've run out at the moment |
18:05.09 | zmey_g | i still have 1 or 2 |
18:05.21 | zmey_g | :) |
18:05.50 | Discordian | Might buy some at the greengrocer tomorrow |
18:07.38 | zmey_g | british food is nice and simple and reminds me our cooking |
18:08.07 | zmey_g | i dont feel like i have to adept |
18:08.11 | Discordian | I hate what passes for British cuisine |
18:08.33 | zmey_g | i didbt mean British cuisine |
18:09.05 | Discordian | I mean what I was fed as a child |
18:09.16 | zmey_g | i meant stuff that you can buy in ASDA for example and make your own meal |
18:09.24 | Discordian | Steak and beef and pies etc |
18:09.35 | zmey_g | no no no no |
18:09.46 | Discordian | I brought garlic home once as a kid |
18:10.05 | Discordian | and got told if I didn't it again my parents would throw me out |
18:10.09 | zmey_g | what is this |
18:10.16 | Discordian | s/didn't/did/ |
18:11.14 | Discordian | You never saw currys etc here when I was growing up |
18:11.37 | zmey_g | when i was a child i remember strikes in the UK on TV. and poor kids |
18:11.59 | zmey_g | i think miner's kids |
18:12.07 | Discordian | miner's yes |
18:12.32 | zmey_g | undernurished |
18:12.42 | zmey_g | with poor health |
18:14.24 | Discordian | I remember my dad striking |
18:14.42 | Discordian | That did get a bit hungry |
18:14.43 | zmey_g | i think we even collected something to send to the starving UK kids. might be wrong. we used to send all over the globe all sort of things |
18:14.59 | Discordian | But then we only ever had meat weekends anyway |
18:15.17 | Discordian | and chicken was a luxury for xmas |
18:15.33 | zmey_g | bad |
18:16.28 | zmey_g | something happend to my XChat. spelling crashed. |
18:16.58 | zmey_g | :) so i'm stripped now. |
18:17.25 | Discordian | ? |
18:17.42 | zmey_g | aspell died |
18:18.08 | zmey_g | can't correct speling in XChat. |
18:19.59 | zmey_g | ok it was update today that caused it |
18:20.16 | Discordian | I don't use a spell checker |
18:21.14 | zmey_g | i have to, otherwise might ashame myself |
18:22.18 | zmey_g | so micro$oft about to by open source companies ? interesting |
18:23.08 | zmey_g | good for them. |
18:23.14 | Discordian | They'll just fork the code |
18:23.51 | zmey_g | yeah to make it legal |
18:25.39 | zmey_g | ok. back to work. bye. |
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22:12.27 | Armand | sorry. :( |
22:12.42 | wethrin | It's okay. Just don't try and break into my sshd |
22:13.03 | Armand | wouldn't know where to start.. @_@ |
22:13.37 | wethrin | I've been pissed off with people trying various password and username attacks |
22:13.46 | Armand | Ahhh.. |
22:13.52 | Armand | fuckers. |
22:13.54 | wethrin | So now I'm firewalling them if they try |
22:14.16 | wethrin | For a week |
22:14.23 | wethrin | Well, up to a week |
22:14.24 | Armand | Can't you setup a second PC and redirect the port?? |
22:14.30 | wethrin | Until the log files roll over |
22:14.34 | wethrin | what would be the point? |
22:14.41 | wethrin | a) it's not a PC, and more importantly, b) it's in colo |
22:14.45 | Armand | Ahh |
22:14.55 | Armand | snafu. :( |
22:15.22 | jcmlUK | bit of iptables -m match magic might do it automatically |
22:15.55 | Armand | I know my mate was talking about screwing around with his ports to send un-auth'd access to a seperate PC so ppl would think they are in, but get nothing. |
22:16.13 | jcmlUK | more than n connections without a login and drop their traffic |
22:16.20 | Armand | clearly knows more about such things than me. :P |
22:19.25 | jcmlUK | or did I mean 'limit' rather than match? probably ... |
22:19.45 | Armand | I don't know.. |
22:20.08 | Armand | I know just about enough to know which ports I want to allow on my firewall. :P |
22:20.43 | wethrin | jcmlUK: Won't work for me |
22:21.10 | jcmlUK | oh well :-) |
22:21.51 | wethrin | but I've got appropriate scripts that work now |
22:25.22 | wethrin | every 5 minutes it parses the authlog |
23:20.24 | Armand | GNITES! |