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06:11.58bilarh_morning folks
06:12.08Discordiangood morning
06:14.36bilarh_this bitlbee thingy rocks :D
06:14.57bilarh_finally decent text mode msn
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08:45.19Ch0HagFor the literary inclined:
08:45.27Ch0Haghttp://bash.org/?813975
08:56.19bilarh_ah the legend that is bash.org :D
08:56.26bilarh_i'm re-reading top 100 again
08:56.59Ch0HagYou could say it's a classic, except classics need to mature with age.
08:58.28bilarh_hmm, there's nothing mature abuot bash.org
08:58.36bilarh_i wouldn't say a classic needs to mature with age, though
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09:02.21dick_turpingoibhniu: Morning ugly :-)
09:02.38bilarh_dick_turpin & goibhniu: get a room!
09:02.44goibhniudick_turpin: life is good ... top of the morning to you too
09:02.57dick_turpinbilarh_:
09:04.08dick_turpingoibhniu: I listened to the podcast, good judges of character those Americans?
09:04.31goibhniu"jono and the boys"
09:04.52dick_turpinpictures
09:05.00bilarh_oh crap, wrong channel :-\
09:05.19dick_turpingoibhniu: I love the bit about changing the show title
09:05.23goibhniuheh
09:05.25bilarh_how do you differentiate between a query window and a normal channel window in irssi?
09:06.09dick_turpinbilarh_: Post it notes
09:07.43dick_turpingoibhniu: I downloaded all the shows will listen to them over the next couple of days
09:09.01goibhniuthe linuxactionshow is one of the best ones
09:09.12goibhniuthey actually talk about linux! nearly all the time!
09:09.43goibhniuunlike lugradio ... in which they give ill informed opinions and make funny jokes
09:10.08dick_turpingoibhniu: Not finished the latest episode, my only moan is that its typical American cheeseyness
09:10.35goibhniuyeah ... it's true
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09:12.41dick_turpinbilarh_: Put it down it dosen't like it plus that sort of thing carries the death penalty is some US states
09:12.55ArmandO_o
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09:14.05goibhniuAvnit97!
09:15.31goibhniuwell Armand .. what's the plan for the day?
09:15.58ArmandA have to look into website hosting services and transfering a web address.
09:16.03Armand^ I
09:16.35Armandlol
09:16.38ArmandAll mine! :D
09:16.57haliat least basic single box hosting
09:17.34ArmandI was looking at fasthosts.co.uk
09:18.01Armandbut, that was the only one I checked last night.
09:18.12dick_turpinhali: 49p ?? for what? a day? a month?
09:18.22haliit's just a name :)
09:19.03halithey charge about 90 quid a month for a dedicated linux box
09:19.03halihttp://www.49pence.com/
09:19.44ArmandMy mate currently pays around £30 a month for hosting, and paid about £1000 for initial setup.
09:19.46dick_turpinhali: Ah, K we charge £120.00 per annum
09:20.07Armandfasthosts is around £50~200 pa.
09:20.33hali120 GBP per year for a dedicated linux box?
09:20.39halithats a pretty good deal
09:21.31goibhniuvps surely?
09:21.37dick_turpinI use these people for my personal web stuff (site, email etc) http://ukwebsolutionsdirect.co.uk/
09:22.00halimust be vps or waay dodgy :)
09:22.27dick_turpingoibhniu: For a linux box you'd have to buy a machine from us, but the hosting price is correct
09:22.41cpufreakhetzner.de are good value too
09:23.26ArmandI like the pricing on fasthosts, but I'm still gonna have to get the address transfered.
09:25.00haliservercity is shit though ... avoid using them
09:25.09halithey charge a lot and the server is extremly poor
09:25.32ArmandNoted. :)
09:25.43halithey charge us 135pm for 1U .5amp colo (we supplied the box) ... just for one of our spare mailrelays
09:27.02ArmandO_O
09:27.13goibhniuhetzner.de looks excellent
09:27.42ArmandWell, I would prefer a UK service. :)
09:28.00goibhniuracialist!
09:28.08Armandlol
09:28.23goibhniuthey've no bandwidth cap ... I've never seen that before
09:28.26ArmandI like to know I'm gonna get english speaking support. :)
09:28.35goibhniunot that I've looked that much in fairness
09:29.16goibhniubut they're german so they probably know what they're talking about ... which is better than telling you rubbish in english
09:29.16halifasthosts look ok
09:29.41dick_turpinThey seem to get recommended by everyone
09:31.06etorixhetzner are ok, but we have german-speakers  to talk to em
09:31.33Armandyeah, I can only understand half the hetzner site.
09:32.16etorixwe have a sponsored server from them
09:33.53ArmandOh, and.. it's all priced in euros.
09:33.59Armand>_<
09:35.31dick_turpinBut you'll still find 'fair usage' buried in the T's & C's
09:35.47Armandyeah.. FUP's suck ass..
09:36.17goibhniulast time I looked it was all xGB per month and then a massive fine for everything over that
09:37.02dick_turpinIts the classic get out of jail clause a bit like the UPTO scam
09:37.14Armand?
09:37.29ArmandOh.. BT? :P
09:37.58goibhniuI wonder how much my via c5 is costing me to run a month
09:38.22dick_turpinArmand: Everyone, including us does it, you have to or else wingers moan I'm not getting 8MB
09:39.19ArmandCable rawks. :)
09:44.55dick_turpinJeese it's only a quarter to eleven 5pm seems along way off
09:46.16bilarh_yeah me too, but i get let out on day release at 3pm at least :)
09:46.59ArmandMUHAHAHA?
09:47.36bilarh_and a saucer!
09:47.52Ch0Hagdick_turpin: Is that cable still asvailable?
09:47.57Ch0Hagavailable
09:48.20bilarh_ch0hag: stop with your tedious work rubbish ;-)
09:48.22dick_turpinCh0Hag: Um yeah
09:48.30Ch0HagSorry. I have a house to wire.
09:48.40bilarh_ch0hag: ah, as long as it's not work related it's ok
09:48.46Ch0HagAnd mum's home today so there's no skiving and watching telly instead.
09:49.09Ch0HagMeh if it was work I'd just make them buy expensive stuff.
09:49.09bilarh_ch0hag: day time tv makes you stupid anyway, so that's probably a good thing
09:49.22Ch0Hagbilarh_: By 'telly' I mean the contents of /Stuff.
09:49.42bilarh_ch0hag: ah :P
09:49.49Ch0Hagdick_turpin: Howso?
09:50.02Ch0HagI will get card details.
09:53.51dick_turpinCh0Hag: Just /pm'd you
09:54.24Ch0HagDa.
09:54.31Ch0HagLet me get the plastic.
09:55.02dick_turpinCh0Hag: You need to phone me, will not deal with this over an open channel
09:55.08Ch0HagOf course.
09:55.12dick_turpinK
09:56.31dick_turpinCh0Hag: Before you bother, you won't get delivery until Monday I'd say
09:56.39Ch0HagDo.
09:56.47Ch0HagThat's fine. I have a bit of cable left still.
09:57.14Ch0HagI don't suppose you also have a halfway decent rj45 crimper do you?
09:57.21Ch0HagSince I'm not paying...
09:57.47dick_turpinCh0Hag: I can get a price if you like?
09:58.09Ch0HagWell when google wakes up you'll be rung.
09:58.13Ch0HagIs it likely to be <£10?
09:58.25Ch0HagI have one, so it's not important enough to splash on.
09:58.29Ch0HagIt's just a crap one.
10:00.16dick_turpinCh0Hag: Probably about £50.000 cant get a price for another 15 mins or so
10:00.24dick_turpin50.00
10:00.56Ch0HagAnd did you say rj45 plugs were 70p each (in pack of whatever)?
10:01.03Ch0HagThat's rather high.
10:01.14Ch0HagWhy 15 minutes?
10:01.22Ch0HagAre you on the bus on the way in or something? :)
10:01.49dick_turpinCh0Hag: Our buyer is having a crap anymore questions?
10:01.58Ch0HagNo no.
10:02.08Ch0HagIf you're busy go do your thing.
10:02.18Ch0HagI'll call later.
10:02.23dick_turpinK
10:03.28Ch0HagI need some breakfast anyway.
10:04.35Armandw00t, fasthosts do the domain name transfers for free. :)
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10:07.24kjalilhmm, is there a way to slow down a download in linux? there are several such programs on windows, any for linux?
10:08.13goibhniuwondershaper is a script that makes you feel like you've stepped back in time
10:08.14etorixwget accepts limit-rate args
10:08.39kjalilArmand: shared connection, i want to download slowly, so other people on the connection are not inconvenienced
10:08.48Armandgood point. :)
10:09.19kjalilgoibhniu: hi!
10:09.24kjalilgoibhniu: where's morning?
10:09.31kjalils/morning/morsing
10:09.39goibhniuhe's on #fgllug
10:09.52kjalilwhat's that?
10:10.08goibhniua friendlier place
10:10.33kjalilgoibhniu: hmm, i almost thought the f stood for something else :)
10:10.43goibhniugosh no
10:11.30kjalilwondershaper eh?
10:12.08goibhniubut that just does some iptables stuff I think
10:12.49kjalilgoibhniu: let me try it. i tried google but got useless results
10:13.09goibhniuhttp://lartc.org/wondershaper/
10:13.40kjalilgoibhniu: thanks, i just apt-getted it
10:13.53dick_turpinibot: clip goibhniu round the lughole
10:14.20goibhniuit seems like it hasn't been updated in 3 years .. I used it last year though and it worked fine
10:14.47goibhniuI tried 513 other things before it and none of them worked
10:15.23goibhniudick_turpin: you dropped in and you didn't even stay for a cup of tea :(
10:16.52dick_turpingoibhniu: I know, it was the thought of four blokes sat in an empty room, seemed kinda sad
10:17.53dick_turpingoibhniu: Thank god bilarh_ wasn't there he'd have tried to goose us
10:19.35goibhniukjalil: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Packet_Shaping might be of interest ... I'm beginning to doubt that it was actually wondershaper that I used in the end :(
10:19.58goibhniuI think I could limit the bandwidth used by a particular app rather than an interface
10:29.47antiphaseYou can do it per port using tc
10:30.21antiphaseIt's not straightforward mind you, although I could dig out a script I use when l33ching from Usenet
10:30.24kjalilgoibhniu: wondershaper seems to be working. i don't want to get too complex using 'tc' i was just wondering if there was a simple way in linux. wondershaper seems to be working
10:30.36cpufreaktc isn't complete
10:30.37cpufreaker
10:30.39cpufreakcomplex
10:30.59goibhniuI think I tried trickle too ... didn't really work though
10:31.24kjalilcpufreak: maybe not, i just wanted something like wondershaper eth0 10 10 and it's done and I have other things to do :)
10:40.42Ch0HagEggs have been cooked and eaten.
10:40.54Ch0Hagdick_turpin: Let me know when you've got a few minutes and I'll give you a bell.
10:44.45dick_turpinCh0Hag: Ring me now if you like
10:48.13Ch0HagYes that really is me...
10:55.22zmey_gsaw on BBC this morning touching story like dolphin lost hist tail and pps made an artificial tail for him and he sort of adapting how to his new life.   Morning All.
10:56.20zmey_gi just curios if i had lost my tail who would think twice about it?
10:56.41goibhniueek ... re gutsy upgrade: 20% (of 34) say "got many problems that i've not been able to solve"
11:00.09goibhniuzmey_g: my favourite band are on radioinkorrekt! :D
11:00.20dick_turpinCh0Hag: Nice to speak with you, thanks for order, processing it now
11:00.38zmey_g:) i just listen to it.
11:00.43zmey_gfrench
11:01.53zmey_gunfortunately i don't understand the lyrics. i hope it'a love story between man and woman
11:02.30zmey_givre de son
11:02.38goibhniuI think it has something to do with alien worms infiltrating the sewage system of large cities
11:03.24zmey_gthanks god  i was not far away from truth.
11:03.30Armandanyone here familiar with ChanServ and setting access levels?
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11:05.01etorix/msg chanserv help levels
11:05.15Armanddidn't help. :P
11:05.37goibhniudick_turpin: there's a new compiz release?
11:06.14dick_turpingoibhniu: Is there?
11:08.05goibhniuodd .. when updating I see compiz 0.6.2!?
11:08.09dick_turpingoibhniu: That's why I was reticent
11:09.21goibhniuwft? .. it's also not mentioned on the forums
11:09.49dick_turpingoibhniu: Do you need to borrow my glasses by any chance?
11:10.17goibhniuwell, if I can install it anyway ... I'll be sure to let you know
11:10.31goibhniumaybe it's a secret release
11:11.41dick_turpingoibhniu: I wonder if it got into the tree by accident?
11:13.06dick_turpingoibhniu: Welcome to another edition of Compiz Fusion Community News. Over the past fortnight we have seen numerous fixes in preparation for the 0.6.0 release and some new features along the way.
11:13.28goibhniuyeah ... and that was posted yesterday
11:13.40dick_turpingoibhniu: Ah you read it too then?
11:14.54mikejwhey dudes
11:15.11dick_turpin:-)
11:15.35goibhniudick_turpin: it is the compiz package as opposed to compiz-fusion ... I dunno .. I'm gonna leave it to one side for now
11:16.30dick_turpingoibhniu: Aha! But thats weird while in effect they are the same they are in fact NOT
11:17.10goibhniumikejw: sorry, addressing "chaps" or "dudes" is illegal ... "guys", "entities", "persons", "people" are preferred
11:17.33dick_turpingoibhniu: If you have compiz installed then try and run an installation of compiz-fusion it falls over
11:17.35mikejwsorry entity
11:17.46goibhniumikejw: np
11:18.03dick_turpingoibhniu: Why is it illega?
11:18.12dick_turpinillegal?
11:18.20goibhniudick_turpin: but for me compiz is a dependency of compiz-fusion
11:18.49goibhniudick_turpin: it's mean
11:18.51dick_turpingoibhniu: Its you're own fault for running a pants distro :-P ;-)
11:19.34dick_turpingoibhniu: Mean? How's that then?
11:19.58goibhniudick_turpin: it's like saying "hello men"
11:20.25goibhniunot everyone in the world is a man btw
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11:22.47dick_turpingoibhniu: What about "Hi Girls"?
11:24.36goibhniudick_turpin: now look what you've done
11:24.54dick_turpinWho killed xteddy, bastards
11:26.06Armandsorry, I let my dogs loose.
11:26.45goibhniumaybe she'll never be back :(
11:26.46zmey_g"hi comrades", would suit me.  
11:26.53Armand"I know a song that will get on your nerves" ??
11:27.01Armand^_^
11:27.41dick_turpinGood morning starshine, the earth says hello, you twinkle above us, we twinkle below
11:28.16dick_turpingoibhniu: I dare you to sing the corus
11:29.28dick_turpinhttp://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Hair/Good-Morning-Starshine.html
11:30.28goibhniuGliddy glub gloopy Nibby nabby noopy La la la lo lo Sabba sibby sabba Nooby abba nabba Le le lo lo Tooby ooby walla Nooby abba naba Early morning singing song
11:30.54ArmandX_x
11:30.59dick_turpingoibhniu: Bastard, you just did cut-n-paste didn't you
11:31.13goibhniuI can't claim to know the melody
11:31.27goibhniuyeah ... I ran it through vim first tho
11:31.41dick_turpingoibhniu: From your photo you could've been in it! ;-)
11:32.09goibhniucool!
11:33.25goibhniuand you obviously like it too
11:33.42goibhniuI believe it involves a lot of nudity
11:33.51ArmandOMG.. guy who lives directly above me just phoned me.
11:34.06dick_turpingoibhniu: My father saw it, mum was not impressed when she read the program regarding all the nudity
11:34.11Armandlazy bastard..
11:34.44dick_turpinArmand: Ha I can top that my daughters text each other while in their bedrooms
11:34.57Armandeasy.. slaps. :)
11:35.22goibhniuwhen I was a child and we had bunk beds we wrote messages on toilet paper and scrolled it up and down
11:35.36Armandlol
11:35.59ArmandI shared a room with my 2 brothers when we were kids.. we just talked.
11:36.03goibhniuit was the giggling that always got us caught
11:36.09dick_turpingoibhniu: ROTFLMAO, now thats pure genius humour
11:36.10Armandno-one told us not to. :P
11:36.28goibhniudick_turpin: 4 srs
11:36.51dick_turpinI proclaim goibhniu King for today
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11:37.39dick_turpingoibhniu: Man that was funny I'm still chuckling now
11:38.04Ch0HagOthers are not allowed good days.
11:38.15dick_turpingoibhniu: I must find an animated gif and post it as a blog
11:38.55goibhniuheh
11:39.20dick_turpingoibhniu: You complete and utter bastard I cant stop laughing
11:40.21goibhniuok .. enough laughing now ... it wasn't a joke
11:42.37goibhniuirc over tp?
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11:56.47Armandlaters all. :)
12:01.10dick_turpinCh0Hag: Urgent. I may not be able to supply you with your goods! Price of cable has not practically tripled
12:01.37dick_turpinCh0Hag: Awaiting one last supplier, not taken any money from your card yet
12:01.50dick_turpinCh0Hag: So everything is on hold
12:02.05dick_turpinnow
12:06.05Ch0HagOh.
12:06.40Ch0HagLet me know when you hear from them and I'll see what I can do.p
12:10.04dick_turpinCh0Hag: Just as an example you're looking at 110.00 for a box of sheilded, as I say I'm waiting for one more price
12:10.33Ch0HagThat's about what I found everywhere else :(
12:10.39Ch0HagWhy are the prices so insane?
12:11.02Ch0HagExpensive I can cope with, but £100+ for a bit of wire is something else.
12:11.14dick_turpinCh0Hag: As discussed yesterday, price of copper is through the roof
12:12.09dick_turpinCh0Hag: If you have some wire lying around doing nothing take it to the local metal merchants you'll make a mint
12:14.03Ch0Hagheh
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12:19.58Ch0HagThe interesting (and annoying) thing is, most of the insave prices are about 50% for the shielding.
12:20.07Ch0Haginsane
12:25.12zmey_ganybody is selling cheap box London area?
12:28.12goibhniua cheap PC?
12:28.32goibhniuebuyer have preinstalled linux boxes for ~ £150 I think
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12:38.52zmey_ggoibhniu:> oh yes nice.
12:40.08zmey_gnice system: HP ProLiant ML110 G4 Xeon 3040 1860-2MB/1066 Dual Core / £230
12:47.48halizmey_g: damn, good price
12:49.14haliprobably shit graphics though
12:52.52halipikey!
12:53.16boudiccasalready there
12:54.14zmey_ghttp://www.ebuyer.com/product/128282
12:58.33zmey_ghali:> +£100 for 2gig RAM, 160gig sata. nice £330- for the thingy
13:20.47mikejwon a serious note...
13:21.07mikejwdoes anyone know of an actually quite ethically sound method of disposing of old hardware?
13:21.55dick_turpinmikejw: Is it broken?
13:22.06boudiccasdonate it to charity as a working system
13:22.50mikejw*some* of it is actually quite broken yes.. and I've kind of given up trying to work what
13:23.35mikejwthere's a nice ATI card that I guess I could flog.. assuming it works
13:24.40dick_turpinmikejw: I was thinking in terms of some of the refurb guys I buy from, they might have been interested in buy 'quantity' off you
13:24.52dick_turpinbuying
13:25.06mikejwI'm really not talking about much
13:25.25mikejwjust enough to fill the bottom of my wardrobe
13:25.37dick_turpinmikejw: Bury it :-)
13:25.40mikejwlol
13:27.58dick_turpinmikejw: Here's another idea, fuse it all together, give the lump a cool name, enter it for the Turner prize
13:28.20zmey_gdick_turpin:> lol
13:29.21mikejwyes I think I'll call it 'Kinetic Sex'
13:30.10dick_turpinmikejw: bilarh_ will give you fiftey quid for tat
13:30.14dick_turpinthat
13:30.25dick_turpinfifty
13:30.30mikejwfor waht?
13:30.37mikejwwhat
13:30.44dick_turpinKinetic Sex
13:30.59mikejwhow do you know he will?
13:31.09dick_turpinIn fact any kind of sex ;-)
13:31.51dick_turpinbilarh_: You big bottom boil what you doing
13:35.39boudiccassausages and snuff
13:36.13bilarh_dick_turpin: scarily enough, i'm working at the moment
13:36.21bilarh_bloody users broke the scheduler again
13:36.43dick_turpinbilarh_: Rotflmao its the way you tell em
13:37.42dick_turpinbilarh_: You don't know the meaning of the word work
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13:42.17dick_turpinCh0Hag: You won't be getting your order for definite, unless you want to pay the higher price
13:43.34bilarh_dick_turpin: i read it in a dictionary once, but i forgot what it means
13:43.57dick_turpinbilarh_: Wanna play the support game then?
13:45.37bilarh_dick_turpin: how does it work?
13:45.52dick_turpinI cant send emails
13:46.28dick_turpinI can receive
13:46.44dick_turpinwhen I send the login box pops up
13:47.05dick_turpinbut it has a different user name and password
13:48.44bilarh_dick_turpin: is this on windows?
13:49.13dick_turpinbilarh_: Yeah, had this one about 30 mins ago, you're gonna love it
13:49.39bilarh_dick_turpin: ah ok... i think you'll have to speak to the windows boys... would you like me to connect you?
13:50.02bilarh_well deflected!
13:50.14dick_turpinbilarh_: Hm rubbish music
13:50.43dick_turpinbilarh_: Back to the story
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13:51.47dick_turpinIt'll send, but its the wrong user name and password
13:54.25bilarh_aha?
14:12.00starshine21
14:12.15starshine(woops wrong window)
14:12.21wethrinSEVENTY FOUR!
14:12.35starshine42. hike
14:12.43ArmandHey guys.. looks like I've got that website gig. :D
14:12.50starshineooh congrats
14:13.25Armandin two weeks time, but still.. will give me something to brag about. :)
14:13.43wethrinyou be a web monkey! *points*
14:13.48Armandhehe
14:14.11ArmandMeans I have to brush up on my lame-ass HTML skills. :P
14:14.18wethrinAnd CSS
14:14.21wethrinIt's all about CSS now
14:14.28Armanddon't think I need to, tbh.
14:14.36wethrinArmand: Do frames make a website look professional?
14:14.42starshine<3 css
14:14.43ArmandI think so..
14:15.08starshinewethrin: as in other sorts of fashion, only if you make them so the seams don't show.
14:15.43ArmandI like frames, but a few profession web guys I talk to don't.
14:16.09starshinethe advantgae of fames is that something that refreshes or changes often can be seperated from things that don't change much.
14:16.16starshineso caching habits can be controlled.
14:16.24Armand*professional*
14:16.34Armandbit stoned, can't read. :P
14:16.45starshinethe disadvantage of frames is that they're rectangular and make a page look like a pamphlet
14:17.00starshinewhich to *some* people, is exactly what was expected of a professional
14:17.03starshinedoes that help?
14:17.07wethriniframes! :)
14:18.28starshineevil adframes :/
14:18.43ArmandI can do a frames site, and I think I might for this one.
14:19.08ArmandLast one I did was fubar, as the free webhost put banners on every page :(
14:20.38starshinesee now that's where css comes in, because you slip a div around the required freehost crud, and then place it wherever you want
14:20.58Armandcool
14:21.38starshinetizag.com for quick up to speed on css, and csszengarden for good ideas how to inflict cool looks on boring pages. have fun
14:22.02Armand:)
14:22.06starshinemust head to work now. early meeting
14:22.34Armandhave fun. :)
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16:14.12mikejwXMLHttpRequest ftw imho
16:15.14boudiccashas sabine had her baby yet? she should have been induced yesterday if she hadnt had it by then
16:20.41Leedsthere has been a flat sold in HK for about $14million this week
16:20.52ArmandO_O
16:20.58Armandhow flat was it?>
16:21.29Leedsthat's not HK$
16:21.34Leedsthat's US$
16:21.41Leedsthat's 7 million quid
16:22.14ArmandWas it a specially designed earthquake proof origami flat(pack) ?
16:22.52Leedsno
16:23.16Leeds3200 square foot flat
16:23.20ArmandO_O
16:23.34ArmandI could use that as a factory. :P
16:24.15Leedsaverage monthly income in HK is something like $13000
16:24.19LeedsHK$
16:24.27wethrinWhat's that in real money?
16:24.50LeedsHK$-UK£ is about 15.5-1
16:25.28wethrinSo about £800-850/month
16:26.21Leedson which, if you have anything over basic allowance (e.g. married, kids, grandparents living with you) you are unlikely to pay any income tax
16:29.02wethrinnod
16:52.05goibhniuArmand: congrats!
16:52.15Armandhuh?
16:52.44ArmandAhh.. that!
16:52.52Armand:)
16:53.16ArmandHis current website is so shit.
16:53.27goibhniuwhat are we talking here ... html? ... ruby? .. beans?
16:53.41Armandprobably quite basic, so HTML.
16:53.41goibhniuis it a freelance gig?
16:53.45Armandyup. :)
16:53.49goibhniuah cool
16:54.01goibhniuis your client gonna maintain it?
16:54.13ArmandI've done loads of work for this guy, mostly upgrading & repairing his home PC.
16:54.23Armandknow him about 3 years.
16:54.55goibhniugood stuff
16:55.33ArmandWell, it's kudos, innit. :)
16:56.28goibhniuah ... and that's who you were sorting out the hosting for?
16:56.34Armandyup. :)
16:56.43Armandit's for his shop, he makes dentures.
16:56.54goibhniuyou'll hardly need a dedicated server then :)
16:57.06goibhniuserver side includes would be handy
16:57.21Armandnah, just a basic webhost.. with some half-decent software features.
16:57.53ArmandWill probably get the £3.99 a month package from fasthosts.
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16:58.13goibhniuthat sounds fine
16:58.22Armandlinux, ofc. :)
16:58.48goibhniusick brov
16:58.57Armandbruv.. but, lol. :)
16:59.45goibhniuI heard of a python based client side cms that sounded half decent ... I dunno if that would be of interest to you
16:59.56goibhniuyou don't need anything on the server
17:00.46goibhniuby client side ... I mean .. that you do your "site management" on your own machine ... and publish it to the site
17:00.50ArmandWell, I know that python has something to do with some kind of coding.. so, Huh??
17:01.15goibhniusorry .. you're not asking for advice ... but if you want some .. just ask
17:01.33Armand:)
17:03.28goibhniuzmey_g: yer missus might be interested in: http://cutandpaste.com/events/
17:05.20zmey_gnice
17:05.55Armandgoibhniu: http://www.fasthosts.co.uk/hosting/linux-home/full-details/
17:07.22goibhniuyou get a shell account and everything! ... schweet!
17:07.58ArmandThats for remote access, right?
17:08.06Armandcommand line & such?
17:09.03goibhniuyep .. it seems to be the cheapest thing they have ... I would think that bare ftp would be sufficient, but for £4 pm why not get all that too :)
17:09.33Armand:)
17:13.53ArmandSo, in 2 weeks time.. I'll be sorting that out. :D
17:15.58Armandhave to go now though..
17:16.02Armandlaters all. :)
17:22.25zmey_ggoibhniu:> playing with mikmod. very nice cli music player!
17:23.21goibhniuinteresting
17:24.02goibhniucan it handle mp3 playlists?
17:25.13zmey_git plays .mod files
17:25.27zmey_ghttp://members.tripod.com/~sman728/mods.html
17:25.44goibhniuah :D
17:26.28zmey_gbrings me back to the commodore era
17:26.46zmey_gvery romantic :D
17:26.57goibhniuI think you'll enjoy http://podcasts.resonancefm.com/archives/632
17:27.44goibhniu8bit music is all hip now innit?
17:28.24goibhniuthe 80s are so much better when you can look back at them and laugh
17:28.25zmey_gyeah
17:29.05goibhniualthough I'd say the 80s were quite different for you!
17:29.51zmey_glet me think :)
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17:30.33zmey_glife behind steel curtains.  mmm.... it was something :)
17:32.57zmey_geach peace of culture was handled with real care :)
17:33.07goibhniumy folks asked one of their tour guides in Moscow for her opinion about the whole thing
17:33.16goibhniushe said she'd like the tzars back!?
17:34.36zmey_ghhm.. don't think so
17:34.53goibhniushe admitted it wasn't a very common opinion :)
17:35.13goibhniusome people really get off on that royalty shenanigans
17:35.23goibhniuoff with their heads I say
17:35.42zmey_gmay be her grands where important and she thinks she might be as well
17:36.11zmey_gcommon sense of guild
17:36.49zmey_gthere is no need to kill somebody and admire him later on.
17:38.03zmey_gtzar's times gone. i dont think anybody would regret too much about it.
17:38.19goibhniuI think she was impressed by the wealth and the power etc
17:38.28goibhniuthe symbolism of it all
17:38.35zmey_git was ages ago. no one remember
17:38.44goibhniuthere are plenty of royal families still around
17:39.32goibhniuI guess she spends her days showing tourists around palaces ... it must do strange things to your mind
17:40.08zmey_gif you ask me about past times, i wouldnt think about royalties but about USSR times rather.
17:40.31zmey_git's somewhat i still remember
17:40.54goibhniuof course ... it was a fairly oddball remark ... they were expecting her to compare the USSR with now
17:41.18zmey_gexactly!
17:41.29goibhniuthe parents were extremely impressed with the public transport in Moscow
17:41.40zmey_gtell me more
17:41.52goibhniuthe commies were great at infrastructure ... sometimes
17:42.12goibhniuthey also said they were blown away with all the flashy shops
17:42.28zmey_gi was once in Moscow. what struck me was Undeground!!!
17:42.28goibhniuthey couldn't find "normal" shops or super markets
17:43.05goibhniujust all designer branded high class shops
17:43.14zmey_gi was impressed by GUM
17:43.52zmey_gGUM is a shop. i think you need at least 2 days to look around there
17:44.04goibhniuwow!
17:44.14zmey_gmassive hwooo...
17:44.27goibhniubudapest seems to have some massive malls too
17:44.39goibhniukrakow didn't though
17:44.57goibhniuI guess I wouldn't conclude it was a natural post communist thing
17:45.08zmey_gsure all Soviet block tried to mimic Russia.
17:45.25goibhniumalls are good in cold weather anyway
17:45.57zmey_gi wasn't impressed by Red square. really tiny  
17:46.07goibhniuwe were considering moving to warsaw last night
17:46.17goibhniupoland is great
17:46.32zmey_gare your misses polish?
17:46.50goibhniuoh .. they did have some story about stalin's grave (or was it lenin?)
17:47.01goibhniunah ... she's dutch
17:47.08goibhniuthere's a good film school in warsaw tho
17:47.27zmey_gdon't worry. could be worth. <joke>
17:48.05goibhniu:)
17:48.17DiscordianThe intellectual version of that joke is called by name or value
17:48.28zmey_gStalin was mummified and put to the mausoleum
17:48.57DiscordianLenin was
17:49.01Discordianand still is
17:49.04zmey_gbut than taken away and berried
17:49.13Discordianand yes
17:49.17goibhniuah .. must have been lenin then
17:49.25DiscordianI'm wrong
17:49.32Discordianlenin isn't mumified
17:50.00goibhniuanyway .. there was a crowd of old commies protesting around the mummy
17:50.03DiscordianA whole branch of Russian science exists to keep his body in the state it is
17:50.16goibhniuand the parents were very impressed with how the police managed them
17:50.34zmey_gwhen the hole humanity will annihilate itself, Lenin will be the only sorce of DNA. <another joke>
17:51.12zmey_gDiscordian:> true
17:52.02zmey_gLenin was balsamed by prof Vorobiev if i remember right. might be wrong
17:52.33DiscordianDunno
17:52.49DiscordianVery strange think to do
17:52.53Discordianthing
17:53.28zmey_gand the original recipe of the balsam stuff was created by another prof Pirogov i think, who balsamed himself nicely :)
17:55.18zmey_gDiscordian:> very odd stuff.
17:55.56zmey_ggoibhniu:> did your parents try shashlik :)
17:56.07goibhniuI don't think so
17:56.13goibhniuI haven't spoken to them since
17:56.14Discordianwhat's shashlik?
17:56.24goibhniucow on a stick :D
17:56.32zmey_gdead cow
17:56.42Discordianbeef kebabs?
17:56.50zmey_gsort of
17:57.04zmey_gbut marinated first
17:57.15DiscordianI don't eat cow
17:57.20DiscordianI like kebabs though
17:57.56zmey_gand smoked
17:58.22DiscordianI'd probably like the lamb version
17:59.03zmey_glambs here in the UK tastes differently
17:59.12zmey_gi dont know why
17:59.28zmey_gbetter taste
17:59.31Discordianreally?
17:59.54DiscordianHmmm
17:59.55zmey_gyes. there is no specific smell
18:00.18Discordianlamb here = young sheep I think
18:00.28zmey_gmay be the diet different
18:00.45DiscordianHmmm
18:01.03DiscordianActually lamb is to sheep as beef/steak are to cow
18:01.23zmey_gi didn't try lamb here for some time because of the fear of smell.
18:01.36zmey_gbut when i tried it i like it
18:01.43Discordianfrench derived words for the meat
18:01.55Discordianand english derived word for the animal
18:02.18Discordianlamb doesn't smell
18:02.32zmey_ggood neighbours
18:02.54Discordianexcept if you have lots of garlic and chilli sauce
18:03.18zmey_ggarlic is good for you
18:03.28DiscordianI love garlic
18:03.39zmey_gi like it when i'm off
18:03.41DiscordianI eat it raw sometimes
18:03.51zmey_gyeah
18:04.43DiscordianThough I've run out at the moment
18:05.09zmey_gi still have 1 or 2
18:05.21zmey_g:)
18:05.50DiscordianMight buy some at the greengrocer tomorrow
18:07.38zmey_gbritish food is nice and simple and reminds me our cooking
18:08.07zmey_gi dont feel like i have to adept
18:08.11DiscordianI hate what passes for British cuisine
18:08.33zmey_gi didbt mean British cuisine
18:09.05DiscordianI mean what I was fed as a child
18:09.16zmey_gi meant stuff that you can buy in ASDA for example and make your own meal
18:09.24DiscordianSteak and beef and pies etc
18:09.35zmey_gno no no no
18:09.46DiscordianI brought garlic home once as a kid
18:10.05Discordianand got told if I didn't it again my parents would throw me out
18:10.09zmey_gwhat is this
18:10.16Discordians/didn't/did/
18:11.14DiscordianYou never saw currys etc here when I was growing up
18:11.37zmey_gwhen i was a child i remember strikes in the UK on TV. and poor kids
18:11.59zmey_gi think miner's kids
18:12.07Discordianminer's yes
18:12.32zmey_gundernurished
18:12.42zmey_gwith poor health
18:14.24DiscordianI remember my dad striking
18:14.42DiscordianThat did get a bit hungry
18:14.43zmey_gi think we even collected something to send to the starving UK kids. might be wrong. we used to send all over the globe all sort of things
18:14.59DiscordianBut then we only ever had meat weekends anyway
18:15.17Discordianand chicken was a luxury for xmas
18:15.33zmey_gbad
18:16.28zmey_gsomething happend to my XChat. spelling crashed.
18:16.58zmey_g:) so i'm stripped now.
18:17.25Discordian?
18:17.42zmey_gaspell died
18:18.08zmey_gcan't correct speling in XChat.
18:19.59zmey_gok it was update today that caused it
18:20.16DiscordianI don't use a spell checker
18:21.14zmey_gi have to, otherwise might ashame myself
18:22.18zmey_gso micro$oft about to by open source companies ? interesting
18:23.08zmey_ggood for them.
18:23.14DiscordianThey'll just fork the code
18:23.51zmey_gyeah to make it legal
18:25.39zmey_gok. back to work. bye.
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22:12.27Armandsorry. :(
22:12.42wethrinIt's okay. Just don't try and break into my sshd
22:13.03Armandwouldn't know where to start.. @_@
22:13.37wethrinI've been pissed off with people trying various password and username attacks
22:13.46ArmandAhhh..
22:13.52Armandfuckers.
22:13.54wethrinSo now I'm firewalling them if they try
22:14.16wethrinFor a week
22:14.23wethrinWell, up to a week
22:14.24ArmandCan't you setup a second PC and redirect the port??
22:14.30wethrinUntil the log files roll over
22:14.34wethrinwhat would be the point?
22:14.41wethrina) it's not a PC, and more importantly, b) it's in colo
22:14.45ArmandAhh
22:14.55Armandsnafu. :(
22:15.22jcmlUKbit of iptables -m match magic might do it automatically
22:15.55ArmandI know my mate was talking about screwing around with his ports to send un-auth'd access to a seperate PC so ppl would think they are in, but get nothing.
22:16.13jcmlUKmore than n connections without a login and drop their traffic
22:16.20Armandclearly knows more about such things than me. :P
22:19.25jcmlUKor did I mean 'limit' rather than match? probably ...
22:19.45ArmandI don't know..
22:20.08ArmandI know just about enough to know which ports I want to allow on my firewall. :P
22:20.43wethrinjcmlUK: Won't work for me
22:21.10jcmlUKoh well :-)
22:21.51wethrinbut I've got appropriate scripts that work now
22:25.22wethrinevery 5 minutes it parses the authlog
23:20.24ArmandGNITES!

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