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| 07:12.39 | Char2 | Hi |
| 07:13.32 | Leeds | Ho |
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| 07:26.42 | Armand | Morning all. :) |
| 07:29.14 | gregj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 |
| 07:29.53 | Char2 | Good Morning. |
| 07:30.54 | Armand | Hows things? |
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| 08:01.16 | addyman | Morning |
| 08:02.54 | Leeds | afternoon |
| 08:03.46 | Armand | Hiya. :) |
| 08:10.39 | addyman | opps, busy writing mail, didnt see reply |
| 08:10.46 | addyman | so anyone here in london? |
| 08:11.43 | Armand | City? |
| 08:12.26 | addyman | Well, Im in Paddington, so city good |
| 08:12.33 | Armand | ok |
| 08:12.53 | addyman | I am looking for a bit f one-on-one training...I am super mac and windows proficient |
| 08:12.54 | Armand | I'm within the M25, but not City.. |
| 08:13.03 | addyman | though severly lacking in Linux |
| 08:13.24 | Armand | Oh, and I could hardly teach you anything about Linux. :P |
| 08:13.45 | addyman | :) |
| 08:14.21 | addyman | well im looking for someone so i can rid myself of all windows boxes at teh company i work for |
| 08:14.34 | addyman | :) |
| 08:14.39 | Armand | I see. |
| 08:15.03 | Armand | Sadly, I'm just starting to learn Linux myself. |
| 08:15.27 | Armand | Gave up on it a few years ago (Redhat 9, I think) |
| 08:15.32 | addyman | aha, same here, just wanting to kow some more...will join mailiing list and ask there.... |
| 08:15.38 | Armand | :) |
| 08:16.24 | addyman | me too have book here, RHCE exam cram...gave up on it too |
| 08:16.28 | addyman | now back.. |
| 08:16.41 | addyman | well nice to chat, got to take kids to school |
| 08:16.44 | addyman | cheers |
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| 09:44.54 | Leeds | so... I've just spoken to someone about a potential mall Santa job at Christmas :-) |
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| 09:45.20 | Armand | O_o |
| 09:46.15 | Leeds | she asked how much I weigh, because of course they want big jolly guys... when I told her, in typical Chinese style, her response was "Oh, you're very fat" |
| 09:47.15 | andy | why do you want to be a mall santa? |
| 09:47.18 | Armand | Yeah, but "fat" to most chinese could be like, 12st.. :P |
| 09:47.30 | andy | I always though of such people as a bit creepy |
| 09:47.59 | Leeds | andy: cash |
| 09:48.09 | andy | ahhh |
| 09:48.12 | Armand | good point. |
| 09:48.41 | Leeds | 60-something quid, cash in hand, for a couple of hours weekend work |
| 09:48.47 | Armand | not bad. |
| 10:21.05 | andy | had a good month this month.. |
| 10:21.06 | andy | http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/mrfq340/DSC00222.jpg |
| 10:21.08 | andy | :D |
| 10:23.59 | antiphase | Plenty of drug money |
| 10:24.07 | Armand | lol |
| 10:24.50 | Armand | andy: Did you send me that crate of weed yet?? :D |
| 10:25.56 | andy | I suspect you have me confused with someone else Armand? |
| 10:26.18 | andy | seeing as I have no idea who you are.. and I'm not in the habit of either buying or sending crates of anything, especially not weed. |
| 10:26.21 | Armand | possibly, although you do have the same name. :P |
| 10:28.32 | cpufreak | really? |
| 10:28.44 | Armand | hehe |
| 10:30.50 | cpufreak | looking through logs, I see you mention weed a lot, nothing to do with me, so I suggest you're living in a paranoid delusion. |
| 10:31.00 | Armand | could be.. |
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| 10:31.29 | Armand | I do often wonder who the hell that guy is who sits on my shoulder and tells me to kill people with raw fish ?!? |
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| 11:09.46 | Ch0Hag | A toker living in a paranoid delusion? |
| 11:09.52 | Ch0Hag | Like THAT ever happens. |
| 11:10.31 | antiphase | Stupid reefer heads |
| 11:10.53 | Armand | I say now.. I resemble that comment!! |
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| 11:30.46 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Oi |
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| 11:57.36 | goibhniu | dick_turpin! |
| 11:57.49 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: still there? |
| 11:58.03 | goibhniu | back in smelly london :D |
| 11:58.12 | Armand | poor you.. |
| 11:59.02 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Done some of the openSUSE review plus boot times take a look http://www.cannon-linux.co.uk |
| 11:59.41 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: do I have to start humming again? |
| 12:00.29 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: More like "Close your mouth you'll catch flies" |
| 12:11.59 | goibhniu | "while on IRC the other day being harassed as to why I still had not done a review of openSUSE 10.3" :D |
| 12:13.27 | goibhniu | I don't get why you find torrents slow |
| 12:13.40 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: They're shit |
| 12:13.44 | goibhniu | are you gonna benchmark arch on the same box? |
| 12:14.03 | goibhniu | oh no they're not |
| 12:14.23 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Thats the thing, I'd love to but it means wiping and installing and I don't want to do tat |
| 12:14.36 | dick_turpin | that |
| 12:14.42 | goibhniu | rob a hd from work :D |
| 12:15.12 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I've also downloaded gutsy gibbon and would like to bench mark that too |
| 12:16.32 | goibhniu | would be nice |
| 12:17.04 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You have a point I can get HDD's 10 a penny, might have a go |
| 12:17.55 | goibhniu | would be hard to compare arch tho |
| 12:18.23 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: In what sense? |
| 12:18.54 | goibhniu | what packages do you install to compare |
| 12:19.08 | goibhniu | boot up times aren't really that interesting IMO though |
| 12:20.13 | wethrin | indeed they're not |
| 12:20.21 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Fair enough, IMO how quickly things start/open is very important but that's whats cool everyone has different priorities |
| 12:20.28 | wethrin | I don't really care if a machine takes 30 minutes to boot, if it's never going to be turned off |
| 12:21.13 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Thing is most Home users will switch their machines off |
| 12:21.31 | goibhniu | con kolivas said he couldn't really figure out a good way to benchmark desktop responsiveness |
| 12:21.39 | goibhniu | afaik |
| 12:22.37 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Standby mode! |
| 12:22.40 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: As I said, the subject is a bit emotive everyone has different needs so there is no benchmark really |
| 12:23.49 | dick_turpin | wethrin: No you're wrong, forget Linux ect for the minute and think in terms of Joe Public and home PC's |
| 12:24.10 | dick_turpin | wethrin: My misses for one makes me turn mine off |
| 12:24.30 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Even the router |
| 12:25.01 | goibhniu | hibernate would be better though |
| 12:25.21 | wethrin | Home's DSL router doesn't get turned off. It's also silent. |
| 12:25.56 | goibhniu | but sure boot time is something people do measure |
| 12:26.10 | goibhniu | and e.g. vista sucks at it and osx is good |
| 12:26.22 | goibhniu | and ubuntu have upstart which is supposed to be better |
| 12:26.24 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Most wives (especially mine)have a built in radar they can detect when you've left things on :-( |
| 12:26.26 | goibhniu | so it would be interesting |
| 12:27.13 | wethrin | mmmm |
| 12:27.32 | wethrin | I pretty much never shut down OS X, unless I'm rebooting due to upgrades |
| 12:27.39 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Have you heard LAS and the gutsy review? |
| 12:27.42 | wethrin | But I have a laptop, so shutting the lid works nicely |
| 12:28.10 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: nope |
| 12:28.33 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Don't get me wrong I actually agree with you they should never be turned off but we must live in the real world and think in terms of others not just us. |
| 12:28.57 | wethrin | other people are wrong! |
| 12:29.02 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Supposedly gutsy fries your HDD after a while |
| 12:29.15 | dick_turpin | wethrin: lol |
| 12:30.18 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: nice ... I heard that somewhere else too |
| 12:30.36 | goibhniu | I thought it wasn't gutsy though, but an older ubuntu |
| 12:30.47 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: But more importantly they raised a really important issue with regards Vista and what the hell is Linux doing |
| 12:30.59 | goibhniu | I lost a hd when running edgy |
| 12:31.40 | dick_turpin | There's a huge void at the moment which Linux should be attacking |
| 12:32.04 | dick_turpin | Vista is not taking off people are refusing to install it |
| 12:32.16 | dick_turpin | They feel XP is a bit old now |
| 12:32.26 | dick_turpin | So what should they install? |
| 12:32.31 | goibhniu | but linux is attacking it ... thanks to dell etc |
| 12:32.47 | dick_turpin | Yep Linux should be snapping these people up |
| 12:33.57 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Thats not really working, its for the likes of RH, SUSE and even canocial to activley go after businesses |
| 12:34.13 | goibhniu | but aren't they? |
| 12:34.17 | dick_turpin | (Cant be arsed to spell check this is too important) |
| 12:34.53 | dick_turpin | I'd love to know most of us here are in IT right? |
| 12:35.50 | dick_turpin | So has anyone had a call from say RH "Hello what do you run, so you don't want Vista, how about RHEL?" |
| 12:35.50 | wethrin | I'm not |
| 12:36.13 | goibhniu | you mean ... we need telemarketing!? |
| 12:36.32 | dick_turpin | yes, I know thats a dirty word but.. |
| 12:36.42 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: maybe we need to do it as volunteers |
| 12:37.09 | goibhniu | "hello ...did you know linux supports lots of really cool filesystems?" |
| 12:37.35 | wethrin | "Does it support NTFS?" |
| 12:37.53 | goibhniu | "well ... I'm sorry ... am .. I have to stick to the script" |
| 12:38.12 | dick_turpin | Maybe, I've been seeing the "Promote Linux" for 4 years now and yet we've barely scratched the surface |
| 12:38.38 | wethrin | The problem is that a lot of people promoting Linux are the very people who *shouldn't* be |
| 12:39.04 | goibhniu | IMO linux is there if people want it ... let the suckers buy macs |
| 12:39.23 | Armand | lol |
| 12:40.15 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You're not one of the 'Closed Shop Linux Users' are you? |
| 12:40.43 | goibhniu | ? |
| 12:41.04 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Only a select few should be using it |
| 12:41.10 | goibhniu | oh no |
| 12:41.26 | goibhniu | I just think that products that require marketing to sell aren't worth selling |
| 12:41.46 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: K, Are you scared that it might, just might, go down the non-free road? |
| 12:42.20 | goibhniu | I know there are 5,000,000 different brands of water ... but I hope it's only extreme fools who differentiate |
| 12:42.45 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I'm not really worried about linux at all |
| 12:42.58 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Mac user :-P |
| 12:43.17 | goibhniu | it's only going to get better ... until haiku takes off :D |
| 12:43.40 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Ooh I tried that about 2 years ago |
| 12:43.46 | Armand | ? |
| 12:45.08 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I just don't feel the need to turn linux into another shit branded product ... because it assumes humans are idiots |
| 12:45.40 | Armand | Well, thats a good assumption |
| 12:45.44 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I like the tirade, what does it mean? |
| 12:45.55 | Armand | as most humans are complete fucking 'tards, |
| 12:46.48 | goibhniu | so let them run macs ... I don't care |
| 12:46.57 | goibhniu | I want more developers |
| 12:47.06 | goibhniu | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.22 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: K, to waht end? |
| 12:47.25 | dick_turpin | what |
| 12:49.42 | goibhniu | brb |
| 12:50.03 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I love you ;-) |
| 12:50.36 | Armand | get a room.... :P |
| 12:51.28 | dick_turpin | Armand: You're just jealous :-P |
| 12:52.03 | Armand | Yeah, right.. ¬_¬ |
| 12:52.59 | dick_turpin | Cor theres a real hum dinger argument on #irssi |
| 12:55.29 | dick_turpin | Armand: You missed it, they was warned to stop or else |
| 12:55.44 | Armand | boring.. >_< |
| 13:15.02 | Ch0Hag | Are the standard C libraries not supposed to have STDIN/OUT/ERR macros for fd's 0/1/2? |
| 13:46.37 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: you were saying? |
| 13:47.45 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: oh yeah ... I would prefer everyone to be using free software, so the dilemma is .. do we need to use marketing |
| 13:47.48 | boudiccas | morning |
| 13:47.59 | goibhniu | good morning boudiccas |
| 13:48.17 | boudiccas | can we just settle for morning please, its less hassle |
| 13:48.36 | boudiccas | evening class tonight, which should be interesting |
| 13:48.48 | goibhniu | why can't we just grunt? |
| 13:49.04 | goibhniu | people will start complaining that it's not technically morning anymore |
| 13:49.05 | boudiccas | yes, thats another option open to us |
| 13:49.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You're back then? |
| 13:50.11 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: :-) |
| 13:50.21 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; and front too |
| 13:50.27 | boudiccas | :) |
| 13:50.44 | boudiccas | sorry, i'm slow on the any take today |
| 13:51.01 | boudiccas | uptake/downtake who cares??? |
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| 15:27.33 | Ch0Hag | On spam: http://forums.worsethanfailure.com/forums/thread/28034.aspx |
| 16:08.51 | jcmlUK | accept it then delete them the next day |
| 16:08.57 | jcmlUK | they'll never know ... |
| 16:09.41 | Leeds | do you not get told when someone deletes you? |
| 16:10.13 | Ch0Hag | Leeds: Say "Sorry. I have too many real friends." |
| 16:10.40 | Ch0Hag | s/too many// if that would be a bare-faced lie. |
| 16:10.52 | Leeds | no, actually, I do have too many real friends |
| 16:11.10 | Ch0Hag | Well there you go then. |
| 16:11.12 | Ch0Hag | Problem solved. |
| 16:11.38 | Leeds | not that simple, unfortunately |
| 16:12.53 | Leeds | the other question of the night is... should I persue the mall Santa possibility? |
| 16:13.04 | Ch0Hag | Sounds like a laough. |
| 16:13.12 | Ch0Hag | Also a laugh. |
| 16:13.20 | Leeds | Jewish Santa? |
| 16:13.55 | Leeds | one friend's response - yes, on facebook - was "a mall Santa? i would like to have a christmas gift from you :-)" |
| 16:14.17 | Ch0Hag | Well I wouldn't exactly call Santa Christian. |
| 16:14.34 | Ch0Hag | (Mind you, I wouldn't call most Christians Christian either) |
| 16:16.39 | Leeds | but there's a big difference between not Christian and not-Christian |
| 16:17.08 | Ch0Hag | Arguably Santa is both. |
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| 16:19.01 | Leeds | true, but I am actively not-Christian |
| 16:19.26 | Leeds | also, I am tired and it's past sleeptime |
| 16:19.34 | Ch0Hag | not or anti? |
| 16:20.06 | Leeds | not |
| 16:20.35 | jcmlUK | Leeds: the deleted person doesn't get told |
| 16:20.39 | Leeds | although, of course, HK is significantly less 'Christian' than the UK |
| 16:20.50 | Ch0Hag | The UK is Christian? |
| 16:20.58 | Leeds | jcmlUK: interesting... didn't know that - wonder if I've been deleted :-) |
| 16:20.59 | Ch0Hag | Perhaps in the same way a whale is a fish. |
| 16:21.08 | Leeds | yes, but HK is a lobster |
| 16:21.34 | Ch0Hag | Then surely it's been refried and eaten by now? |
| 16:21.47 | Leeds | sure... it was just over 10 years ago |
| 16:23.21 | Discordian | Mmmm lobster thermidor |
| 16:23.30 | Discordian | Not had that in ages |
| 17:28.09 | Ch0Hag | Can you write code along the lines of: { if (x) { ... } if (y) { ... } } else { ... } where the else clause is executed if both x and y fail? |
| 17:29.16 | antiphase | els[e]if? |
| 17:30.34 | Ch0Hag | both x and y must be tested, regardless of the failure of the other. |
| 17:30.51 | Ch0Hag | if (x) ... |
| 17:30.53 | Ch0Hag | if (y) ... |
| 17:30.58 | Ch0Hag | if (!x && !y) ... |
| 17:31.31 | antiphase | if (x){ ... } |
| 17:31.43 | antiphase | else if (y){ ... } |
| 17:31.55 | antiphase | else { printf "OMFG\n"; } |
| 17:32.01 | Ch0Hag | Nope. Read it again. |
| 17:32.26 | antiphase | Fix it your fucking self then ;) |
| 17:32.49 | Ch0Hag | Well I considered a separate variable |
| 17:32.50 | jcmlUK | Ch0Hag: you just wrote it: |
| 17:32.52 | jcmlUK | 17:30 < Ch0Hag> if (x) ... |
| 17:32.53 | jcmlUK | 17:30 < Ch0Hag> if (y) ... |
| 17:32.53 | jcmlUK | 17:30 < Ch0Hag> if (!x && !y) ... |
| 17:33.01 | Ch0Hag | Yeah but that repeats the tests. |
| 17:33.07 | Ch0Hag | What if the tests have side-effects? |
| 17:33.15 | jcmlUK | store the return in a variable? |
| 17:33.23 | jcmlUK | I hear all the cool kids have them nowadays ... |
| 17:33.25 | antiphase | Do they have side effects? |
| 17:33.44 | antiphase | If not, just do it the easy way, if they do, do it a different way. Are you looking for a generic way of solving this problem? |
| 17:33.53 | Ch0Hag | dumbvar = 0; if ((dumbvar = (x_test))) ...; if ((dumbvar = (y_test))) ...; if (!dumbvar) ...; |
| 17:34.04 | Ch0Hag | I'm just idly curious. |
| 17:34.05 | antiphase | Which language is it to be written in? |
| 17:34.29 | antiphase | That is most relevant, as the constructs available are not fixed |
| 17:34.45 | Ch0Hag | C's always a popular choice. |
| 17:34.52 | antiphase | Is this your homework? |
| 17:34.59 | Ch0Hag | No. |
| 17:35.07 | Ch0Hag | I don't have homework. That's for students. |
| 17:35.13 | Ch0Hag | *spit* |
| 17:36.56 | antiphase | switch ( x << 1 | y & 1 ){ |
| 17:37.05 | antiphase | case 0: foo; break; |
| 17:37.11 | antiphase | case 1: bar; break; |
| 17:37.13 | antiphase | etc. |
| 17:37.47 | antiphase | There are countless stupid ways of doing it, the most readable of which is the boring long way that doesn't involve any logical arithmetic |
| 17:38.06 | Ch0Hag | Ooh that looks like an interesting one. |
| 17:38.24 | Ch0Hag | I couldn't think of a good method with switch. |
| 17:38.58 | antiphase | I had a spurious "& 1" in there, and it depends on 1 for truth and 0 for false |
| 17:39.25 | antiphase | My C is poor and underused |
| 17:39.27 | Ch0Hag | Well yeah but I could see where you were going. |
| 17:41.33 | jcmlUK | btw, don't get married. It sucks. |
| 17:43.31 | Ch0Hag | I hope so.^W^W^WOh. |
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| 22:15.08 | hali | is there a good KDE photo editing tool? |
| 22:16.12 | boudiccas | gimp? |
| 22:18.53 | etorix | krita |
| 22:23.35 | hali | hm, figured imagemagick will do the job :) |
| 22:24.13 | hali | hm, krita requires koffice... can't be bothered apting now |
| 22:24.46 | z00dax | hali: ImageMagick to edit photo's - I hope thats via pyMagick scripts :) |
| 22:25.39 | hali | nah, command line |
| 22:25.48 | hali | just doing a some resizing and cropping |
| 22:25.58 | z00dax | ah, not _that_ hardcore then |
| 22:26.14 | hali | a lot of guessing involvd |
| 22:26.44 | hali | just need to send a photo of myself in response to this weird thing i got draged in to |
| 22:27.02 | hali | right now i look like a random dork, slight pissed and with a bad hair day |
| 22:27.11 | hali | nothing out of the ordinary though |
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