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| 04:41.34 | Leeds | why do I attract them? |
| 04:41.37 | Leeds | (12:38:53 PM) Irene: i am quite sexy, will you fall in love with me? |
| 04:41.37 | Leeds | (12:39:10 PM) Irene: hahaha.... just kidding |
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| 09:39.10 | Cope | moin |
| 09:39.55 | Leeds | shalom |
| 09:40.26 | Cope | :) |
| 09:40.32 | Cope | oooh |
| 09:40.42 | Cope | I had something to show you / ask you. |
| 09:41.09 | Leeds | you did ping me a while back, but I guess I replied too late |
| 09:42.09 | Cope | yeah and i popped out :) |
| 09:42.13 | Cope | are you well? |
| 09:42.24 | Cope | i really should make more pof an effort in this channel :) |
| 09:42.57 | Leeds | I am quite well... not amazingly happy at work, but otherwise life is going well enough... you? |
| 09:43.34 | Cope | very well indeed - work/business is going well, and all well at home |
| 09:43.52 | Leeds | cool |
| 09:45.37 | Cope | so... i was chatting to chap at work who is excite about erlang |
| 09:45.45 | Cope | and showed me a quicksort algorithm using list comprehensions that looked like a cross between haskell and python |
| 09:45.51 | Leeds | ah... erlang... |
| 09:46.38 | Leeds | don't know much about it, other than being the esoteric-language-of-the-month |
| 09:46.51 | Cope | i said i would throw something together in just python |
| 09:46.53 | Cope | that would be elegant, maitainable, and interesting |
| 09:46.55 | Cope | i've missed something though |
| 09:46.55 | Cope | i think the pivot is wrong |
| 09:46.55 | Cope | anyay |
| 09:46.57 | Leeds | hmm... don't suppose you know if the lvm mirror support is a RHEL extension? |
| 09:47.57 | Leeds | maybe just newer than the commonly-shipped version |
| 09:48.54 | Leeds | to be honest, I'm feeling my algorithm-playing days are falling behind me |
| 09:53.48 | Cope | sorry on train, so cut out |
| 09:54.13 | Cope | what do you want to do? mirror with lvm? install to lvm mirror? |
| 09:54.42 | Leeds | I'm being asked how to setup a mirror for a server we're running on a customer site |
| 09:54.50 | Leeds | I happen to like lvm for disk-fiddling... |
| 09:56.58 | Cope | you can certainly do lvm mirroring with lvm2 on the latest centos 4 and 5 releases |
| 09:58.01 | Leeds | it's also related to my slightly odd preference for using software whose author I've met - and I give Mr. Kergon some credit for LVM :-) |
| 09:59.26 | Leeds | hmm... I think the young lady I'm chatting with may have missed my reference to juggling, and is now rather worried that I've invited her to play with my balls in public |
| 10:01.34 | Cope | :) |
| 10:01.41 | Leeds | yeah... she missed the reference |
| 10:02.43 | Leeds | and I'm not sure if *I* should be worried that it didn't seem to faze her |
| 10:09.42 | antiphase | She'd have to find them first |
| 10:11.07 | cpufreak | chocolate salty balls |
| 10:13.59 | Cope | gah, connectivity not so good today |
| 10:14.38 | Cope | leeds: lvcreate -L 50G -m1 -n gfslv vg0 |
| 10:14.47 | Cope | for example |
| 10:15.08 | Cope | ah he's gone |
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| 11:59.52 | Ch0Hag_ | In the IT section, Employer: WORKERS BEER COMPANY |
| 12:00.02 | Ch0Hag_ | ... recruiting volunteer servers and managers to work in WBC bars |
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| 13:32.16 | Ch0Hag_ | How do you say, in some polite way, HTML is a piece of piss and anyone who doesn't know it really doesn't deserve to call himself a geek? |
| 13:34.50 | antiphase | Just say it, they won't believe you either way |
| 13:34.51 | wethrin | HTML may be a piece of piss, but *design* isn't |
| 13:35.34 | Ch0Hag_ | It only stops being a piece of piss when IE tries to render it. |
| 13:36.05 | Leeds | then it becomes a piece of shit? |
| 13:36.41 | Ch0Hag_ | Hey don't denigrate my bodily excretions that way! |
| 13:38.59 | Ch0Hag_ | Does anyone know [la]tex? |
| 13:39.04 | boudiccas | yes |
| 13:39.29 | Ch0Hag_ | How can I say "don't put the line of text immediately above or below this paragraph break on its own"? |
| 13:39.37 | Ch0Hag_ | (ie. around a page break) |
| 13:39.51 | Ch0Hag_ | I have a title on one page with the body on the next. |
| 13:39.55 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:40.51 | dick_turpin | It'd be a lot easier if you created it in Front Page :-P |
| 13:41.02 | Ch0Hag_ | Define 'easier'. |
| 13:41.12 | boudiccas | easier maybe but it doesnt look as good |
| 13:41.12 | dick_turpin | Frames |
| 13:41.22 | boudiccas | frames are for newbies |
| 13:41.46 | boudiccas | latex is the answer to most typographical layouts |
| 13:43.55 | wethrin | \newpage would forcfe a new page |
| 13:44.10 | wethrin | But it should be more intelligent about \section{} positioning on a page |
| 13:46.33 | dick_turpin | I was deliberately throwing in a antagonistic hand grenade |
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| 14:01.47 | goibhniu | zmey_g: have you noticed radioinkorrekt is back in action? |
| 14:02.08 | zmey_g | goibhniu: no |
| 14:02.28 | zmey_g | :) nice |
| 14:03.26 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Have you seen my Gutsy Gibbon results on my website? |
| 14:03.40 | goibhniu | nope |
| 14:03.52 | goibhniu | executive summary? |
| 14:03.54 | zmey_g | goibhniu: i've been trying to figure out my dns-records, so a bit distracted from real world |
| 14:04.05 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Well go and look you lazy sod |
| 14:05.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: 94.718 seconds over all boot time |
| 14:06.14 | goibhniu | ouch ... same rig? |
| 14:07.05 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yep, I may have made a 10 second mistake on the power to grub but I'm pretty sure its correct |
| 14:08.16 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: That's a full update install of gutsy by the way with all the drivers ect |
| 14:09.10 | dick_turpin | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.11 | dick_turpin | .> |
| 14:09.11 | dick_turpin | Grub |
| 14:09.11 | dick_turpin | |
| 14:09.11 | dick_turpin | 39.985 |
| 14:09.13 | dick_turpin | Grub |
| 14:09.15 | dick_turpin | .> |
| 14:09.18 | dick_turpin | Login Screen |
| 14:09.20 | dick_turpin | |
| 14:09.23 | dick_turpin | 25.339 |
| 14:09.25 | dick_turpin | Login Screen |
| 14:09.28 | dick_turpin | .> |
| 14:09.30 | dick_turpin | Desktop |
| 14:09.33 | dick_turpin | |
| 14:09.36 | dick_turpin | 29.494 |
| 14:09.45 | dick_turpin | Hm sorry about that, what a mess? |
| 14:10.48 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; why not use a pastebin??? |
| 14:11.13 | goibhniu | 40 seconds for grub to load a kernel? |
| 14:11.19 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Don't know how |
| 14:11.22 | zmey_g | goibhniu: if you use firefox there is a nice add-on theme for it, Metall Lion. Highly recommend it. |
| 14:11.54 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Everything was fair and above board |
| 14:12.17 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: using irssi |
| 14:12.56 | goibhniu | zmey_g: cheers, sounds nice but I use vimperator so I don't really see any browser chrome |
| 14:15.34 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: but is that what those figures mean ... 40 seconds before the kernel starts to load? |
| 14:16.10 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: how long does vista take on that box? |
| 14:16.31 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: 40 seconds from pressing power button to grub comming up |
| 14:17.09 | dick_turpin | 2goi26 seconds from grub to the login screen |
| 14:17.37 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: 26 seconds |
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| 14:18.22 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: and 30 seconds from login to usable desktop |
| 14:18.30 | goibhniu | 40 seconds before you even have the option of choosing which kernel to boot? that sounds mental |
| 14:18.30 | Armand | Afternoon. :) |
| 14:20.18 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: That might be the cool interrogation stuff they have |
| 14:20.46 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I did it ... I looked at your site! :) |
| 14:21.20 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Is no longer a lazy sod |
| 14:21.43 | goibhniu | suse takes 10 seconds to boot to gdm ... those numbers are boggling |
| 14:21.57 | goibhniu | sorry ... 4 seconds! |
| 14:22.19 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: If I can get ArchLinux installed tonight I'll do a test for that |
| 14:22.42 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I don't have Vista so cant compare that one |
| 14:23.10 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: that's amazing ... I'm curious about arch now! |
| 14:23.24 | goibhniu | and suse wasn't suspended or anything? |
| 14:23.27 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: The only differences are the HDDS |
| 14:24.13 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: No All are cold booted, Full installs, full updates, all drivers ect. |
| 14:26.03 | goibhniu | suse was a minimal install that you built up to a desktop system, right? or did you do another one? |
| 14:26.13 | goibhniu | that's fascinating |
| 14:26.45 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yes, min but its fully fledged now I even have the kernel sources |
| 14:26.46 | goibhniu | there could be a lot of waiting around for dhcp on boot I guess |
| 14:27.35 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Hm, I generally don't see the output I can look at that if you like? |
| 14:28.28 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Actually thats not relevant, gutsy was re-booted several times before I ran the time trial |
| 14:29.48 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: So the router would have been ready for th erequest anyway as it was not switched off |
| 14:29.58 | dick_turpin | the request |
| 14:30.24 | goibhniu | I'm most amazed by suse's 4 second boot to X though |
| 14:30.55 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: All the times are correct on my kids lives |
| 14:31.40 | goibhniu | yeah ... but how does it do that? |
| 14:32.57 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I timed each stage seprately e.g. timed it from power to grub then started over and timed from grub to login ect |
| 14:33.58 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: So that each time was taken from three boots |
| 14:34.23 | goibhniu | but you can hit your power button on suse and be on #gllug in ~50 seconds? |
| 14:35.36 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'd say 70 ish seconds |
| 14:36.13 | goibhniu | it would be good to take the full time in one go too I guess |
| 14:36.34 | goibhniu | a lot of stuff would be happening while you log in |
| 14:36.51 | goibhniu | but still an interesting comparison |
| 14:37.07 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: If I enabled autologin and set grub to delay=0 then it'd be quicker I suppose |
| 14:38.41 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: But thats why I did three seperate times so it was fair, especially when gutsy boots straight to login |
| 14:39.41 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Gutsy got about five reboots as I kept missing the power to grub time |
| 14:40.18 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: It shoots past grub straight to login |
| 14:40.44 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Delay must be set to 1 second I suppose |
| 14:41.37 | goibhniu | when you say grub ... you mean a menu that lets you select the OS you want to boot right? |
| 14:41.46 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yes |
| 14:42.17 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Perhaps I should use the term bootloader? |
| 14:42.41 | goibhniu | oh no, you're right ... just checking |
| 14:46.20 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I was thinking of mailing Linux Outlaws but then I'd be just like that other self promoter |
| 14:48.00 | goibhniu | it might be good to contact distrowatch about it ... they probably have benchmarking guidelines too |
| 14:48.49 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Its just a bit of personal fun |
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| 14:56.02 | cpufreak | anyone got any recommendations for some 10-12kVA UPSes? |
| 14:56.10 | cpufreak | ideally some which are pretty compact would be good |
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| 15:02.45 | jcookeman | privet vcem! |
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| 15:11.05 | etorix | APC look ok |
| 15:11.24 | etorix | i keep meaning to get one |
| 15:11.48 | cpufreak | I was hoping someone had some real experience |
| 15:13.04 | Clive | Like IBM, you won't get fired for using APC |
| 15:13.11 | etorix | everyone ive asked says get apc |
| 15:13.18 | Clive | That's all I have experience with |
| 15:13.40 | etorix | http://www.microdirect.co.uk/productlister.aspx?n=2,10&n=77 |
| 15:17.03 | dick_turpin | cpufreak: APC have a pretty good configuration wizard/software thingy on their site which will tell you the one that's right for you |
| 15:17.25 | cpufreak | I want an alternative to APC though |
| 15:17.32 | cpufreak | as I need to tender the process out to 3 vendors. |
| 15:17.44 | dick_turpin | cpufreak: Hang on I'll have a look |
| 15:17.44 | cpufreak | so just telling me what I know alreadyd oesn't help |
| 15:19.36 | dick_turpin | cpufreak: http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/factfinder/search.asp?query=ups&sortProductName=desc |
| 15:25.38 | cpufreak | but you've not used them |
| 15:26.56 | dick_turpin | cpufreak: At the risk of another terse response, we use APC, I would recommend APC |
| 15:36.52 | dick_turpin | Wow! Is this true ? http://blog.mandriva.com/2007/10/31/an-open-letter-to-steve-ballmer/ |
| 15:42.15 | wethrin | Um. It's business. |
| 15:42.29 | wethrin | At least they're still paying for Mandriva, as promised. |
| 15:44.59 | Ch0Hag_ | "If there’s anybody in the world that deserves the crapware that Microsoft sells it’s the Nigerians. |
| 15:45.16 | Ch0Hag_ | Perhaps they heard that if they buy the systems with Microsoft now, as soon as the check clears the international banking system they would be able to get a refund of 96 bazillion dollars from Microsoft for helping them move the money out of the country." |
| 15:46.02 | Armand | hahaha |
| 15:46.20 | dick_turpin | wethrin: That's the strange bit, we have a customer in Nigeria which is basically a church |
| 15:46.33 | wethrin | aye... |
| 15:46.41 | dick_turpin | They had a donation of £25.00 in a postal order |
| 15:46.57 | dick_turpin | When they took it to the local post office type place |
| 15:47.09 | dick_turpin | They was asked to come back in a couple of weeks |
| 15:47.22 | wethrin | yay! |
| 15:47.28 | dick_turpin | As they did not have enough money to change it |
| 15:47.34 | Armand | lol |
| 15:47.58 | wethrin | Oh glods those comments are brainless |
| 15:48.01 | Clive | Gah my google-fu keeps failing on me on this: LWN say there are Fedora 7 packages for pcc |
| 15:48.10 | Clive | i can't find em# |
| 15:48.15 | wethrin | ppc? |
| 15:48.20 | Clive | No |
| 15:48.22 | Clive | pcc |
| 15:48.46 | Clive | The original System V C compiler |
| 15:48.56 | Clive | which is now mainline in OpenBSD |
| 15:49.18 | antiphase | Can't you use `gcc --be-old-and-shit` |
| 15:49.57 | Clive | I don't see how that differs from the normal gcc behaviour |
| 15:50.33 | Clive | gcc generates stunningly sub-optimal code |
| 15:50.49 | antiphase | Heh |
| 15:52.15 | wethrin | Mm.....it's in the source tree, but not used as the main compiler |
| 15:52.47 | Clive | It's probably gonna be the upcoming main compiler |
| 15:52.58 | wethrin | Not for a bit, I'd reckon |
| 15:53.10 | wethrin | NetBSD may jump first to it |
| 15:53.23 | Clive | I tend to avoid OpenBSD anyway |
| 15:53.33 | Clive | Due to the T* problem |
| 15:53.39 | wethrin | Theo's a nice guy IRL |
| 15:53.47 | wethrin | He just doesn't stand for people being stupid |
| 15:54.04 | Clive | He doesn't come across that way on the net |
| 15:54.31 | wethrin | No, because he doesn't stand for people being idiots. Which is normally what he flames them about |
| 15:55.08 | Clive | the fact that he pissed off Darren Reed says a lot |
| 15:55.42 | wethrin | Darren seems to have a similar attitude, though. As does Dan Bernstein |
| 15:56.00 | Clive | Indeed |
| 15:56.20 | Clive | Though I'm no fan of djb |
| 15:56.45 | antiphase | Megalomaniacs to a man. Fuck them all :) |
| 15:58.17 | wethrin | But pf is a far superior replacement to ipf |
| 15:58.19 | Clive | FreeBSD 7 looks vaguely interesting |
| 15:59.23 | Clive | The latest ipf doesn't compile here, I thought it was supposed to work on 2.6 now |
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| 17:03.16 | Ch0Hag_ | Is facebook anything other than a weird pyramid scheme? |
| 17:03.35 | Ch0Hag_ | 'You must join so that I can add you to my list so that you can see my pictures" |
| 17:03.50 | jcookeman | Whatever it is, it's sucking the users in |
| 17:04.08 | jcookeman | you can hardly go out now without someone near you talking about facebook |
| 17:04.09 | Ch0Hag_ | s/'/"/ |
| 17:04.10 | Ch0Hag_ | I think you missed an 'l' there. |
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| 17:05.08 | Ch0Hag_ | Well I'm looking at their 'about' site, and it just looks like webspace. |
| 17:05.12 | Ch0Hag_ | page |
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| 17:33.29 | wethrin | It's not webspace |
| 17:33.35 | wethrin | You want that, go to Myspace |
| 17:33.56 | wethrin | It's social networking, yada, yada, done nicely |
| 17:35.20 | antiphase | Myspace is populated by retarded chavs afaics, whereas facebook is populated by bigoted Daily Mail readers |
| 17:36.59 | wethrin | speak for yourself :) |
| 17:39.43 | goibhniu | myspace seem to have done well in getting people to use it to promote their "art" |
| 17:39.53 | wethrin | Yes, pity they can't design web pages |
| 17:40.10 | goibhniu | I don't think facebook is after that end of things at all |
| 17:40.19 | wethrin | No, they're not |
| 17:40.31 | wethrin | you can't change the look of your FB page |
| 17:41.38 | goibhniu | it's amazing people manage to change their myspace pages ... I set a page up with it before ... it's really poorly thought out |
| 17:41.54 | antiphase | You clearly have too many brain cells |
| 17:42.02 | jcookeman | myspace is shit |
| 17:42.25 | Armand | naff layouts, shit content.. and not a single thing worth looking at. |
| 17:42.26 | jcookeman | facebook is smeared shit painted over |
| 17:42.33 | goibhniu | lots of stuff like <div id="red-line-on-the-left"> |
| 17:42.41 | jcmlUK | jcookeman: ... but myspace is worse |
| 17:42.45 | wethrin | jcookeman: rubbish |
| 17:44.08 | jcookeman | rubbish? |
| 17:44.15 | jcookeman | why yes, yes they are! |
| 17:45.15 | antiphase | http://www.myspace.com/anotherday_wasted |
| 17:47.47 | jcookeman | f00k!! I need eye bleach now! |
| 17:48.14 | Armand | Only thing of interest on mine was a pic of a large calibre rifle. :P |
| 17:50.55 | z00dax | so how many people coming to todays curry ? |
| 17:50.59 | z00dax | and Flag + Bell ? |
| 17:51.38 | wethrin | CURRY? |
| 17:51.42 | wethrin | I want curry :( |
| 17:51.49 | Armand | Damnit.. |
| 17:51.50 | Clive | I'm not in London |
| 17:51.57 | Clive | else I would |
| 17:52.02 | Armand | >_M |
| 17:52.04 | Armand | lol |
| 17:52.05 | Armand | >_< |
| 17:52.14 | Armand | Ok, who keeps moving my keys?? |
| 17:52.47 | Armand | ^_^ |
| 17:52.50 | antiphase | Curry 4tw, I'm going to the theatre to get some kulcha though |
| 17:52.57 | wethrin | my keys never ,pbr |
| 17:53.00 | wethrin | bugger |
| 17:53.08 | wethrin | antiphase: Seeing anything interesting? |
| 17:53.28 | antiphase | Les Misérables. Some chick thing I gather |
| 17:53.36 | wethrin | Oh, it's supposed to be rather good |
| 17:53.42 | wethrin | Not quite a chick thing |
| 17:53.57 | Clive | victor hugo innit |
| 17:54.35 | wethrin | 'tis 'tis |
| 17:54.46 | wethrin | Well, near enough |
| 17:55.04 | wethrin | And it's the Schoenberg that could write music, rather than the one who wrote noise |
| 17:55.16 | Clive | Well victor Hugo meets the west end |
| 17:55.34 | wethrin | quite :) |
| 17:55.35 | Clive | I prefer the avant garde one |
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| 22:05.05 | hali | bork bork |
| 22:05.14 | Armand | Quack! |
| 22:06.01 | wethrin | børk? |
| 22:06.54 | Armand | Cow goes "quack, quack", duck goes "Mooooo!" |
| 22:08.19 | wethrin | Have you been crossing the wires again? |
| 22:09.12 | Armand | Think so.. I just can't align the nonsense factors with the discombobulator... |
| 22:26.26 | hali | for the love of god, don't cross the streams!!11one |