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| 00:26.26 | z00dax | humm |
| 00:26.32 | z00dax | wethrin: ping |
| 00:28.04 | wethrin | pojng |
| 00:28.46 | wethrin | what can I do for you? |
| 00:31.36 | wethrin | z00dax? |
| 00:32.20 | z00dax | i have a machine! |
| 00:32.36 | wethrin | Hurrah! |
| 00:32.55 | wethrin | Unfortunately, I won't be there on Saturday, as I have to be in Newcastle early evening |
| 00:33.09 | z00dax | ok, no worries. i can keep it warm for you if you like |
| 00:33.19 | wethrin | cool! thanks :) |
| 00:33.22 | wethrin | Does it have rails? |
| 00:33.27 | z00dax | no |
| 00:33.38 | wethrin | Bum |
| 00:33.50 | z00dax | it needs netra rails, the ones sorts that the whole box slides into |
| 00:34.02 | z00dax | s/ones// |
| 00:34.22 | wethrin | Yeah. It seems that many people have Netras, but no-one has rails |
| 00:35.17 | z00dax | considering no one buys a netra withour rails, there must be a huge pile of them somewhere |
| 00:35.26 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 00:36.14 | wethrin | I could possibly get some from the US, but shipping would be silly |
| 00:37.08 | wethrin | So maybe once I get a job, etc. |
| 00:38.12 | wethrin | ohh..... |
| 00:38.25 | wethrin | How would you feel about Gllug Christmas drinks on the 21st December? |
| 00:39.59 | z00dax | could be good |
| 00:40.19 | wethrin | (It's a Friday) |
| 00:40.39 | z00dax | even better! |
| 00:41.05 | wethrin | yay! |
| 00:41.14 | wethrin | I'll mail out to Social at some point soon, then |
| 00:41.23 | z00dax | cool |
| 00:41.52 | wethrin | sleeptime, now |
| 00:41.54 | wethrin | g'night! |
| 00:42.32 | z00dax | nite |
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| 10:53.27 | jcookeman | I need help with an ldap search query |
| 10:53.34 | jcookeman | any gurus can help |
| 10:58.18 | Ch0Hag | Can I get fvwm to override an application's insistence that a certain window stays on top? |
| 10:58.37 | Ch0Hag | You answer that and I'll look at your ldayp. |
| 10:58.40 | Ch0Hag | -y |
| 10:59.48 | goibhniu | right click on the title bar? |
| 11:00.01 | Ch0Hag | Nope. |
| 11:08.52 | jcookeman | Ch0Hag: I know someone that can answer that |
| 11:09.46 | Ch0Hag | ? |
| 11:11.20 | jcookeman | I'll have to wait till he comes around |
| 11:11.42 | jcookeman | but my question is concerning |
| 11:11.56 | jcookeman | searching all groups within a specified subgroup in the OU |
| 11:12.15 | jcookeman | like under root I want to find all groups under 'London' |
| 11:13.10 | Ch0Hag | What? |
| 11:13.27 | jcookeman | (&(objectClass=group)(|(ou:dn:=Chicago)(ou:dn:=Miami))) |
| 11:13.30 | jcookeman | for instance |
| 11:13.58 | antiphase | LDAP query syntax is truly hateful |
| 11:14.06 | Ch0Hag | Indeed. |
| 11:14.16 | Ch0Hag | Incidentally I've yet to see a '?'. |
| 11:15.21 | Ch0Hag | That is to say, what are you asking? |
| 11:15.33 | jcookeman | ok |
| 11:15.45 | jcookeman | take for instance a generic query that will return all groups under the root |
| 11:16.01 | Ch0Hag | Where groups == entries? |
| 11:16.11 | jcookeman | "(&(objectclass=group)($EXTERNAL_DIRECTORY_AUTH_UID_ATTRIBUTE$=*))" |
| 11:16.13 | Ch0Hag | (ie. '(objectClass=*)') |
| 11:16.28 | jcookeman | never mind EXTERNAL...that's just a variable |
| 11:16.44 | jcookeman | but I want to actually search for groups in a subtree if you can call it that |
| 11:16.48 | jcookeman | like OU=London |
| 11:17.34 | Ch0Hag | You can specify the root of searches when you make the API call. |
| 11:18.35 | Ch0Hag | So if you're using some front end, it should allow you to specify the base under which to seacrh. |
| 11:18.39 | Ch0Hag | If not, get a better front-end. |
| 11:18.51 | jcookeman | no this is in java code |
| 11:19.09 | jcookeman | but I dont have access to modify the code |
| 11:19.11 | jcookeman | only the search string |
| 11:19.56 | jcookeman | (&(objectClass=person)(objectCategory=CN=Person,CN=Schema,CN=Configuration,DC=subdomain,DC=domain)) |
| 11:20.06 | jcookeman | that looks close to what I want I guess |
| 11:24.20 | Ch0Hag | I'd say it might be what you're forced to have. |
| 11:24.26 | Ch0Hag | What you *want* is the source code. |
| 11:24.35 | jcookeman | yeah but that's no option |
| 11:24.39 | jcookeman | actually I have it |
| 11:24.48 | Ch0Hag | Or a LART and whoever wrote it originally (and/or whoever is stopping you from getting it) |
| 11:24.54 | jcookeman | but would totally violate many terms of service blah blah blah |
| 11:25.00 | Ch0Hag | s/getting/fixing/ |
| 11:26.31 | jcookeman | ibot configure ldap search filter |
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| 11:27.06 | Ch0Hag | How about &(...)(dn=*sub=tree,o=org) |
| 11:27.09 | wethrin | rhowe!!! |
| 11:27.12 | Ch0Hag | Using more correct syntax of course. |
| 11:27.24 | jcookeman | ok |
| 11:27.54 | Ch0Hag | There seems to be a lot of web pages that tell you about ldap filters, but none that just say what the syntax is. |
| 11:27.57 | rhowe | mornin' |
| 11:28.04 | wethrin | How's life, old chap? |
| 11:28.07 | rhowe | wethrin: so so |
| 11:28.15 | wethrin | oh |
| 11:28.18 | rhowe | Anyone fancy kicking munin for me? |
| 11:28.22 | rhowe | It's being stupid |
| 11:28.34 | wethrin | How's the new flat? |
| 11:28.48 | rhowe | Runs fine when I execute it manually, but silently fails from cron |
| 11:28.55 | rhowe | wethrin: Good - I should take some more photos |
| 11:28.58 | wethrin | Permissions thing? |
| 11:29.02 | wethrin | You have photos already? |
| 11:29.11 | rhowe | wethrin: I run it manually as the same user it runs as from cron |
| 11:29.16 | rhowe | wethrin: 'munin' |
| 11:29.22 | wethrin | Path problems? |
| 11:29.30 | wethrin | Using sh, and not bash? |
| 11:29.35 | rhowe | wethrin: Don't think so |
| 11:29.40 | wethrin | hum |
| 11:29.52 | rhowe | [monitor] ~ # su munin |
| 11:29.52 | rhowe | [monitor] /root $ sh |
| 11:29.52 | rhowe | [monitor] /root $ munin-cron |
| 11:30.05 | wethrin | $ id |
| 11:30.07 | rhowe | [pause] |
| 11:30.14 | rhowe | $ id |
| 11:30.14 | rhowe | uid=107(munin) gid=108(munin) groups=108(munin) |
| 11:30.21 | wethrin | hm |
| 11:30.27 | wethrin | echo $PATH |
| 11:30.38 | wethrin | Try 'su - munin' |
| 11:30.46 | rhowe | /etc/cron.d/munin:*/15 * * * * munin if [ -x /usr/bin/munin-cron ]; then /usr/bin/munin-cron; fi |
| 11:30.47 | wethrin | That should, I think, knock up a login-type shell |
| 11:31.18 | rhowe | It's munin-update (executed from munin-cron) which is failing |
| 11:31.20 | rhowe | That much I know |
| 11:31.27 | wethrin | but why? |
| 11:31.28 | rhowe | Well, I'll have to wait for munin to finish - it takes a while |
| 11:31.31 | wethrin | hm |
| 11:32.01 | rhowe | hm, only a thousand lines in munin-update |
| 11:32.03 | rhowe | perl script |
| 11:32.12 | rhowe | I think from memory, it exits with a 0 return code |
| 11:32.24 | rhowe | so it's not explicitly failing, it just doesn't seem to do the right thing |
| 11:32.30 | rhowe | and I'm not sure what broke it - it used to work! |
| 11:33.40 | benoyst | morning |
| 11:33.54 | Ch0Hag | Odd. I'm not allowed to renew my bike tax until the 15th. |
| 11:47.24 | wethrin | rhowe: Have you found a Canon flash gun yet? |
| 12:08.42 | rhowe | wethrin: No, and I think the Nikon one has killed the builtin flash in my camera :( |
| 12:08.49 | rhowe | wethrin: It won't work now |
| 12:10.55 | rhowe | so instead of reading if {?LEDGER} <> 'All' then {SL_ACCOUNTS.CUSORT3} = {?LEDGER} else {SL_ACCOUNTS.CUSORT3} <> 'Mickey Mouse', it now reads '({?LEDGER} = 'All' or {SL_ACCOUNTS.CUSORT3} = {?LEDGER})' |
| 12:20.04 | Ch0Hag | Mmm consultants. |
| 12:20.17 | Ch0Hag | You do, of course, read the dailywtf? |
| 12:20.21 | rhowe | I do |
| 12:21.42 | Ch0Hag | It always amazes me that people can write stuff like that. |
| 12:21.53 | antiphase | and get paid for it |
| 12:22.00 | rhowe | paid shitloads, too |
| 12:22.01 | Ch0Hag | No that doesn't amaze me. |
| 12:22.10 | Ch0Hag | Managers are *supposed* to be stupid. |
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| 12:22.36 | Ch0Hag | I think every IDE except pure makefiles should be banned. |
| 12:22.42 | Ch0Hag | That'd get rid of the riff-raff. |
| 12:23.26 | Ch0Hag | Actually make that csh scripts. |
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| 12:54.18 | zmey_g | morning |
| 12:55.44 | Ch0Hag | Still? |
| 12:56.54 | niv_one_three | ~seen leeds |
| 12:57.19 | ibot | leeds <i=1000@n219073051110.netvigator.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 23h 3m 15s ago, saying: 'Ch0Hag: I've only got the one'. |
| 12:57.20 | Ch0Hag | How do you run an osx application from the command line? |
| 12:59.21 | jcmlUK | Ch0Hag: get a proper OS, open xterm, type command ... profit? |
| 13:00.55 | Ch0Hag | Like FreeBSD? |
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| 13:03.20 | jcmlUK | ;) |
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| 13:11.29 | Ch0Hag | can you turn host:1.0 into 1 without having to use two cut commands? |
| 13:12.16 | antiphase | perl -pe 's/.+?:(.).+/$1/;' |
| 13:13.00 | Ch0Hag | And without using perl. |
| 13:13.00 | Ch0Hag | That's sort of overkill. |
| 13:13.00 | Ch0Hag | And too easy. |
| 13:13.00 | antiphase | At least it's possible ;) |
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| 13:14.01 | Armand | Dafternoon. :) |
| 13:14.05 | antiphase | I don't know why people object to Perl, it's not like we're all still using Pentium Pros and 72-pin SIMMs |
| 13:14.21 | jcmlUK | awk -F "[:.]" '{ print $2 }' |
| 13:14.27 | Ch0Hag | I don't object to perl. Perl's great. |
| 13:14.36 | Ch0Hag | But if I wanted to do it with perl I wouldn't need to ask. |
| 13:16.34 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: :-P |
| 13:17.45 | goibhniu | eyup |
| 13:18.32 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Downloaded Mepis and Mandriva gonna install them and run *The Test* |
| 13:18.47 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: nice |
| 13:19.00 | goibhniu | fedora too? |
| 13:19.14 | goibhniu | centos? |
| 13:19.14 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Hm F8 |
| 13:19.27 | goibhniu | although ... is it getting carried away |
| 13:19.45 | goibhniu | basically you were impressed with suse's boot time and wanted to celebrate |
| 13:20.25 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Well I was thinking Fedora, RH, CentOS are all pretty much from the same stable |
| 13:21.15 | Armand | CentOS is just a rebadge of Fedora, right ? |
| 13:21.45 | dick_turpin | Armand: Sort of but don't let boudiccas hear you say that ;-) |
| 13:21.56 | goibhniu | isn't that the whole point of it? |
| 13:22.00 | Armand | Why not? :) |
| 13:22.20 | dick_turpin | Armand: CentOS is her poison of choice |
| 13:22.38 | Armand | I see. |
| 13:22.47 | Armand | Bad mojo. :P |
| 13:23.19 | goibhniu | I don't think they're embarrassed about it tho |
| 13:23.28 | goibhniu | is it a stigma? |
| 13:24.28 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Tell what is spooky, after I started my time trials LAS and LR have just done distro reviews |
| 13:25.10 | goibhniu | apart from gutsy? |
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| 13:25.23 | goibhniu | I guess a lot of new major releases are happening |
| 13:26.03 | antiphase | spitroast:~ $ STRING='host:22.0'; [[ "$STRING" =~ ":([[:digit:]]+)" ]] && echo ${BASH_REMATCH[1]} |
| 13:26.06 | antiphase | 22 |
| 13:26.15 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I've not got to the review on LR yet but they sure ripped into the guy from Mandriva |
| 13:27.33 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: the meanies! why? |
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| 13:28.53 | goibhniu | tbh arch is the only distro I'd like to see compared wrt speed ... because it's unfreakinbelievably fast |
| 13:29.02 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: They was going on about how it had lost its way and supposedly their users |
| 13:29.31 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'll re-do that hopefully tonight |
| 13:29.44 | goibhniu | I wonder why they said that " ... now with ubuntu being everyone's favourite distro ... " |
| 13:30.18 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I think that was the point, IMO it was sort of gloating |
| 13:30.18 | goibhniu | I dunno .. maybe mandriva is toast, I still hear good reports though |
| 13:37.33 | goibhniu | the suits diid give old Gael the boot though |
| 13:41.26 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: /me shrugs the fact is up until about two years ago Mandriva was the best distro for newcomers |
| 13:41.53 | goibhniu | up until possibly gutsy IMO |
| 13:42.05 | goibhniu | but I don't know about suse |
| 13:42.40 | goibhniu | and ark linux may be good |
| 13:43.39 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Well I don't believe in the "Mines better than yours" crap Gutsy this and Gusty that just makes me want to use it even less |
| 13:44.19 | goibhniu | or what did you mean ... for the last two years ... what's no 1 for noobs? |
| 13:46.12 | jcookeman | ch0hag: what's the easiest way to set the scope in the ldap search filter? |
| 13:46.47 | Ch0Hag | I don't think you can. |
| 13:46.48 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yes Ubuntu is ideal for newbs the problem IMO is its like an incurable disease once infected you've had it and there's a whole distro world out there |
| 13:46.57 | jcookeman | feck |
| 13:46.58 | Ch0Hag | You can set it in an ldap uri (which includes a filter) |
| 13:47.06 | jcookeman | right |
| 13:47.18 | Armand | dick_turpin: What you talking about, fool.. ? |
| 13:47.30 | Armand | I used Ubuntu 7.04. |
| 13:47.36 | jcookeman | Haiku fool! |
| 13:47.58 | jcookeman | what's the point in using 100000 distros? |
| 13:48.07 | goibhniu | I really don't think ubuntu was any good for noobs in the last two years |
| 13:48.07 | jcookeman | GNU/Linux is GNU/Linux |
| 13:49.33 | dick_turpin | I use 3 distro's :-P |
| 13:49.46 | Armand | just the one for me. :) |
| 13:49.57 | Armand | although I'm tempted to run Sabayon on my main rig. |
| 13:50.53 | dick_turpin | They are giving Sabayon away on Linux User (I think) A UK Linux Magazine |
| 13:51.14 | Armand | I don't buy Linux mags anymore. |
| 13:52.13 | Armand | stopped being worthwhile once I got broadband. |
| 13:52.16 | dick_turpin | Neither do I at 6.99 a pop but if I didn't fancy downloading a disc I'd part with the money |
| 13:52.38 | Armand | I only buy 2 mags, White Dwarf & Evo. :) |
| 13:56.19 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Is Haiku installable now? I looked at it a couple of years ago and it was pants which is a pity as it looked really cool |
| 14:00.18 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: I run it in a vm |
| 14:00.20 | jcookeman | they do nightly builds |
| 14:00.22 | jcookeman | it's getting there |
| 14:01.02 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Ooh so do you have a VM appliance of it then? |
| 14:01.18 | jcookeman | if you go to their website you can get the vmware player image and config file |
| 14:01.27 | jcookeman | download those two and you're running |
| 14:02.04 | jcookeman | it is a slick os |
| 14:02.46 | goibhniu | it's a damn shame they stopped doing blender builds for haiku |
| 14:03.32 | jcookeman | ch0hag: so I think I understand this. Obviously the ldap search string is embedded in the code which I cannot touch |
| 14:03.41 | jcookeman | I only can config the search filter |
| 14:03.45 | goibhniu | I assume there aren't nvidia drivers? |
| 14:04.00 | jcookeman | since obviously it is not scope=subtree I am SoL |
| 14:04.18 | jcookeman | goibniu: ROFL |
| 14:04.29 | goibhniu | :( |
| 14:04.47 | jcookeman | anyone know what the hell is going on with nexentaos |
| 14:05.04 | jcookeman | NexentaOS for you proper |
| 14:05.04 | goibhniu | is there any app that makes it worth running? |
| 14:05.27 | jcookeman | Haiku? |
| 14:05.42 | goibhniu | yep |
| 14:06.10 | jcookeman | It's an elegantly simple and fast OS |
| 14:06.23 | goibhniu | for running an ssh client? |
| 14:06.31 | jcookeman | yeap :D |
| 14:06.36 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Do you suggest I get the .bz2 nightly build? |
| 14:06.38 | goibhniu | I mean it's supposed to be great for multimedia |
| 14:06.48 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: it's what I do |
| 14:06.49 | goibhniu | but there don't seem to be any multimedia apps for it |
| 14:07.06 | jcookeman | BeOS apps |
| 14:07.13 | jcookeman | you can run firefox on it too |
| 14:07.14 | jcookeman | : |
| 14:07.16 | jcookeman | :P |
| 14:07.18 | goibhniu | aren't they all ancient and wrinkly? |
| 14:07.35 | goibhniu | I didn't know firefox ran on it .. that's good |
| 14:07.39 | jcookeman | it's still in the toddler stages right now |
| 14:08.05 | jcookeman | right now their development philosophies are quite good |
| 14:08.10 | Ch0Hag | jcookeman: Sounds like you need a dose of change the code without telling anyone. |
| 14:08.12 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: 26.7MB ?? that's small? |
| 14:08.31 | jcookeman | of course as their user base grows that will eventually be corrupted :D |
| 14:08.35 | jcookeman | dick_turpin: yes |
| 14:08.44 | jcookeman | it's just the minimal system image |
| 14:08.47 | jcookeman | spin it up! |
| 14:08.55 | Ch0Hag | But honestly, people who's basic premise is "Our code sucks but don't improve it" deserve whatever they get. |
| 14:09.27 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: I hope there is a GUI or goibhniu and I will be at it again |
| 14:09.36 | jcookeman | there is a GUI |
| 14:09.54 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I bet it boots faster than suse :D |
| 14:09.59 | Ch0Hag | VGA is a GUI. |
| 14:10.10 | jcookeman | Ch0Hag: if all else fails I will have them change the code. Also, I needed a better understanding of it |
| 14:10.35 | jcookeman | I was looking for understanding/workaround if possible |
| 14:10.39 | jcookeman | but looks like Im stuck |
| 14:11.04 | Ch0Hag | If it could take a URI that would make more sense. |
| 14:11.34 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: We cant test it as its a VM and thats not fair |
| 14:11.52 | goibhniu | I bet it will still be faster |
| 14:12.21 | goibhniu | I've heard of 3 second boots with it |
| 14:12.30 | jcookeman | that's nuts |
| 14:12.39 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Trying to extract the fecking thing now |
| 14:12.45 | goibhniu | is that bull? |
| 14:13.00 | jcookeman | yes |
| 14:13.05 | jcookeman | or hard to believe |
| 14:13.06 | Leeds | regardless of what it means, "Symbian dismisses Google Android" is a great headline... we live in a science-fiction world :-) |
| 14:13.09 | Ch0Hag | 'NatWest' are asking me to fill out a form so my online banking service I don't use is not interrupted. |
| 14:13.23 | jcookeman | Ch0Hag: sounds like phishing |
| 14:13.25 | Ch0Hag | I am being asked to follow the 'secured' hyperlink which appears to begin 'http://'. |
| 14:13.44 | Ch0Hag | I wonder if by 'secured' they mean 'the real url is securely hidden'. |
| 14:13.59 | jcookeman | Google Android will be interesting...even though I love symbian (except battery life is shat!" |
| 14:14.21 | rhowe | hm, openbsd 4.2 is easy to upgrade to |
| 14:14.28 | rhowe | barely had to do anything |
| 14:14.54 | zmey_g | Ch0Hag: yeah, it hidden out of reach somewhere in african jungle> |
| 14:15.13 | Leeds | jcookeman: my point was that it's a great headline, like something out of a pulp science fiction novel |
| 14:15.44 | jcookeman | eh.... |
| 14:16.29 | Leeds | I reserve any judgement on Android until the 12th |
| 14:16.42 | Leeds | and for the record, I was offered a job at Symbian in 2000 :-) |
| 14:16.44 | rhowe | hmm |
| 14:16.56 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Hm VM Server don't like it? will get vm player |
| 14:17.06 | jcookeman | did you get the config file as well? |
| 14:17.26 | jcookeman | I was liking NexentaOS too. There's a vmware player image for it too |
| 14:17.37 | jcookeman | unfortunately it seems to be losing steam. what a pity |
| 14:17.42 | rhowe | x86-64 version of the Java plugin |
| 14:18.05 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; did you get your archie distro reinstalled or were you able to fix the black screen problem??? |
| 14:19.24 | jcookeman | what 64bit version? |
| 14:19.37 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: No goibhniu and I failed miserably, we are currently at the Job Centre P45 in hand hoping to get on an MSCE course :-) |
| 14:20.10 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; rhce or lpi would be better for you |
| 14:20.57 | rhowe | dick_turpin: You could always get a job in the Navy - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/01/navy_recruiting_ad_it_crowd_nuclear_missile_submarine/ |
| 14:22.28 | Leeds | so I went to a web professional networking-type thing this evening... there were 5 of us there with Eee PCs |
| 14:22.43 | boudiccas | dick_turpin hasnt got the navy hairstyle and therefore wouldnt be allowed to join |
| 14:22.48 | dick_turpin | rhowe: Yeah I know that advert has me in fits every time I see it |
| 14:22.56 | Leeds | one guy looked at mine and asked if I had any trouble using Linux on it... I don't think so |
| 14:23.32 | rhowe | Eee PCs? |
| 14:25.02 | dick_turpin | Who remembers the old PC World adverts "Press Ctrl+Alt-Delete" that had me in hysterics too |
| 14:25.17 | Leeds | rhowe: not heard of it? |
| 14:25.26 | rhowe | Leeds: I'm pretty out of the loop lately |
| 14:25.36 | rhowe | Leeds: Too much Windows Server 2003 & group policy |
| 14:26.00 | rhowe | Ah right, umpc jobbie |
| 14:26.05 | jcookeman | I'm starting to hate vmware |
| 14:26.09 | jcookeman | even though we use loads at work |
| 14:26.18 | jcookeman | I use it at home for playing with different os for instance |
| 14:26.35 | Leeds | rhowe: read my blog! |
| 14:26.37 | jcookeman | so when I downloaded the latest vmware player and registered to download an appliance |
| 14:26.53 | jcookeman | I got 4 emails from them inviting me to conferences, white papers, and other events |
| 14:26.57 | jcookeman | what a bunch of slags |
| 14:27.02 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: I love it but your Haiku is giving me greif |
| 14:27.10 | jcookeman | dude |
| 14:27.22 | jcookeman | dick_turpin you need to download the daily build |
| 14:27.28 | jcookeman | then the config file from the home page |
| 14:27.33 | jcookeman | and you are set |
| 14:27.34 | rhowe | Leeds: heh, barely get chance to read my facebook page |
| 14:27.45 | Leeds | jcookeman: right... they don't have the right to attempt to sell you stuff when you get their software for free |
| 14:28.07 | Leeds | rhowe: I meant now :-) My blog is syndicated onto my Facebook profile, anyway |
| 14:28.21 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Hm so why wont it run under VM Server? |
| 14:28.23 | jcookeman | yes, but a home user? invite home users to their conferences where they will try to sell 500k in software and services ROFL |
| 14:28.46 | jcookeman | I'm sure it will even though I havent tried |
| 14:29.03 | Leeds | better that they charge you for the software in the first place? a lot of home users are professionals in disguise, I'd think |
| 14:29.22 | jcookeman | like me |
| 14:29.29 | rhowe | Leeds: The spec seems pretty poor really. Not enough RAM or storage, no gigE, battery life looks a bit short, no 3D to speak of (GMA 900's hardly great, is it?) |
| 14:29.32 | jcookeman | but I distinctly separate the two |
| 14:29.40 | antiphase | jcookeman: It's a very good costume ;) |
| 14:29.43 | rhowe | Leeds: Bluetooth? |
| 14:29.49 | Leeds | rhowe: it was £185 |
| 14:30.13 | rhowe | Leeds: Still not sure it's worth it |
| 14:30.24 | rhowe | Leeds: I guess the SSD is quite pricey |
| 14:30.28 | Leeds | apparently it does compiz decently |
| 14:30.39 | Leeds | or whatever the 3d desktop thing is |
| 14:30.49 | Leeds | the screen is the most expensive part, I think |
| 14:31.09 | rhowe | well yes, but that's the case for most laptops, I think |
| 14:31.10 | Leeds | was discussing it with an Intel engineer this evening, who offered to lend me a classmate PC, their OLPC competitor |
| 14:31.29 | Leeds | no built-in bluetooth - I've got a dongle |
| 14:31.41 | Leeds | the RAM is plenty, and can be cheaply upped |
| 14:31.53 | rhowe | I guess there might be mini PCIe Bluetooth cards too, if you want it internal |
| 14:31.53 | Leeds | really no point having gigE on it |
| 14:32.02 | rhowe | No point not having gigE on it |
| 14:32.02 | jcookeman | dick turpin: I untarred the image file and put the vmx file in the same dir |
| 14:32.06 | Leeds | I intend to persue that option, yes |
| 14:32.08 | rhowe | It's so cheap these days |
| 14:32.22 | Leeds | power and cost, I guess - 10/100 will still be cheaper |
| 14:32.47 | rhowe | USB2 ports? |
| 14:32.53 | Leeds | 3 of them |
| 14:32.56 | antiphase | I can't say I've seen many applications that need more than 100Mb per server |
| 14:32.58 | rhowe | eSATA? :) |
| 14:33.04 | Leeds | no |
| 14:33.09 | goibhniu | gma 900 is rather good ... no opengl 2 support but 1.5 |
| 14:33.32 | antiphase | Equally, I haven't seen a new server without 10/100/1000 ethernet in the last few years :) |
| 14:33.33 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Where the hell do I get that config file you are on about? |
| 14:33.43 | rhowe | Leeds: If it were half the weight and thickness, we'd be talking :) |
| 14:33.53 | jcookeman | http://haikuhost.com/haiku.vmx |
| 14:34.00 | dick_turpin | http://haikuhost.com/haiku.vmx |
| 14:34.08 | jcookeman | from http://haiku-os.org/downloads |
| 14:34.38 | Leeds | rhowe: it's really tiny |
| 14:36.20 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Booting as we speak |
| 14:36.54 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Aarrgghh that was fast! |
| 14:38.54 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Any idea if the VM Appliance will run in Virtual Box? |
| 14:39.11 | jcookeman | no I dont |
| 14:39.43 | dick_turpin | jcookeman: Its very nice |
| 14:39.53 | jcookeman | yeah looks good |
| 14:40.05 | jcookeman | if you look on their build factory page it mentions virtual box |
| 14:40.37 | goibhniu | there a really good google talk on it |
| 14:40.45 | goibhniu | their fs sounds brillig |
| 14:41.26 | dick_turpin | I'd like to run it on my openSUSE box but I only have Virtual Box on that machine |
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| 16:39.32 | keithlard | doing what |
| 16:39.52 | Armand | pref. build, repair, upgrade PCs. |
| 16:40.20 | jcmlUK | "Where in the world" would you find a job like that? |
| 16:40.33 | Armand | Don't you dare!! |
| 16:40.54 | Armand | ^_^ |
| 16:41.09 | Armand | There is one, not far from me.. one bus. |
| 16:43.48 | antiphase | You could try not hanging about on IRC all day, it tends to get in the way of job hunting ;) |
| 16:45.15 | Armand | It does, yes.. but it means I have access to my e-mail. :) |
| 16:45.29 | Discordian | Funnily enough in the past I've got jobs from contacts from IRC |
| 16:46.20 | Armand | I wish that would work for me.. |
| 16:46.34 | antiphase | I suppose you can't smell via IRC |
| 16:47.23 | Armand | O_o |
| 16:47.39 | Armand | I wouldn't think so.. |
| 16:50.53 | Ch0Hag | The wikipedia entry on Mordor says "In ... Middle-earth, Mordor, which one does not simply walk into, is the dwelling place of Sauron" |
| 16:51.36 | Armand | Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame. |
| 16:51.45 | Ch0Hag | Indeed. |
| 16:53.42 | goibhniu | ~mordor |
| 16:54.10 | boudiccas | bring me the head of alfredo de mordor |
| 16:55.22 | jcmlUK | your move |
| 16:55.41 | Discordian | yay I have an interview! |
| 16:56.19 | Armand | YAY! |
| 16:56.22 | Armand | well done. :) |
| 16:56.33 | Armand | is it with a vampire? |
| 16:56.39 | Discordian | Nah# |
| 16:56.46 | Discordian | It's in Fleet |
| 16:57.01 | Ch0Hag | Discordian: Bastard. |
| 16:57.04 | Armand | The Navy ? |
| 16:57.08 | Armand | ^_^ |
| 16:57.56 | Discordian | Nah |
| 16:58.10 | Discordian | Also a possible contract in London |
| 16:58.20 | Armand | Good stuff, doing what? |
| 16:58.29 | Ch0Hag | Discordian: How did you get this? |
| 16:58.33 | Discordian | Linux /solaris sysad |
| 16:58.39 | Armand | cool. :D |
| 16:58.39 | Discordian | Jobsite |
| 16:58.40 | Ch0Hag | My methods provide as much fruit as a potato plant. |
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| 21:46.25 | Cope | :) |
| 21:46.53 | Discordian | Lo |
| 21:47.15 | Cope | hi there |
| 21:47.26 | Discordian | Hi |
| 21:48.09 | Cope | all well? |
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| 21:49.04 | Discordian | Not entirely, I need a job rather desperately |
| 21:49.10 | CopeTrain | oh dear |
| 21:49.21 | CopeTrain | running out of dosh? |
| 21:49.29 | Discordian | Though I'm working on that |
| 21:49.38 | Discordian | Yes almost out of dosh |
| 21:51.09 | Discordian | I got asked about that in a phone interview today |
| 21:51.41 | CopeTrain | interesting; latency via atalanta-systems is significant; connection from laptop is fine. |
| 21:51.42 | CopeTrain | ah |
| 21:51.43 | CopeTrain | we're interested in olap cubes |
| 21:52.20 | Discordian | If I get a second interview I'll mug up on them |
| 21:54.58 | CopeTrain | what was the job / company? |
| 21:55.21 | Discordian | MysQL DBA, glasses direct |
| 21:55.33 | Discordian | well DBA/syadmin |
| 21:56.18 | CopeTrain | you understand the difference between analytical and transactional queries? |
| 21:56.31 | Discordian | Yeah |
| 21:56.42 | Discordian | But I'm a sysad |
| 21:57.15 | Discordian | I've done Orrible and mysql DBA |
| 21:57.28 | CopeTrain | fairy nuff |
| 21:57.40 | Discordian | I've criticised the schemas that developers come up |
| 21:58.15 | CopeTrain | that sort of criticism? |
| 21:58.22 | CopeTrain | or more constructive? :) |
| 21:58.37 | Discordian | Errr no as in *you can't do that* |
| 21:58.50 | Discordian | and offering reasons |
| 21:58.57 | CopeTrain | you looking for a contract? or full-time? |
| 21:59.07 | Discordian | Either/o |
| 21:59.11 | Discordian | r |
| 21:59.28 | CopeTrain | are you using agencies? |
| 21:59.51 | Discordian | Yeah via Jobsite and the usual suspects |
| 22:00.02 | Discordian | but would happily go direct |
| 22:00.06 | CopeTrain | i'd recommend not saying either/or to agents |
| 22:01.23 | Discordian | I'd prefer contract at this point |
| 22:02.45 | Discordian | I've had a couple of DBA jobs I've been put forward for |
| 22:02.58 | CopeTrain | right |
| 22:03.16 | CopeTrain | but din't get them? |
| 22:03.27 | Discordian | Too early to say |
| 22:03.31 | CopeTrain | i see |
| 22:04.09 | Discordian | Phone interview today for one |
| 22:04.09 | Discordian | Other still waiting |
| 22:05.43 | CopeTrain | I may be looking to employ someone for a few hours a month in the next few months; nothing big, and probably suit someone looking to supplement another contract, or a junior sysadmin looking for some extra experience. |
| 22:06.14 | Discordian | I'm not a junior sysadmin |
| 22:06.18 | CopeTrain | yes |
| 22:06.24 | CopeTrain | that's why I mentioned it. |
| 22:06.40 | Discordian | I've been doing this since 1995 or thereabouts |
| 22:06.42 | CopeTrain | or rather why I clarified. |
| 22:06.49 | Discordian | Thank you |
| 22:09.04 | Discordian | whilst i'd consider anything, a few hours a month is probably no use to me |
| 22:09.05 | CopeTrain | however, if I've not found someone suitable, and things are tight for you, let me know. |
| 22:09.06 | CopeTrain | i do presently have someone in mind, but it may not suit him; anyway - just saying - watch this space - a little work is better than none. |
| 22:09.19 | Discordian | Okay granted |
| 22:11.12 | Discordian | Well you'd get my professional skills since that's all I do |
| 22:11.54 | CopeTrain | you live in london? |
| 22:12.01 | Discordian | SE London |
| 22:12.08 | CopeTrain | woolwich? |
| 22:12.25 | Discordian | Actually Crayford (zone 6) |
| 22:12.56 | CopeTrain | I used to live in Abbey Wood |
| 22:13.15 | Discordian | It's the line 2 over |
| 22:13.20 | CopeTrain | ye |
| 22:13.29 | Discordian | 26 mins at peak to CX |
| 22:13.38 | Discordian | 45 off peak |
| 22:13.52 | CopeTrain | it's a good line |
| 22:14.23 | CopeTrain | you have family? or just you? |
| 22:14.30 | Discordian | Just me |
| 22:16.13 | CopeTrain | I'm sure this channel used to be busier |
| 22:16.20 | Discordian | It did |
| 22:16.32 | Discordian | Most IRC seems quiet tonight |
| 22:16.51 | CopeTrain | once upon a time i was in the top 3 talkers in this channel |
| 22:17.29 | Discordian | There must be something about Wednesdays |
| 22:18.27 | CopeTrain | golly i'm tired |
| 22:18.48 | Discordian | You'll sleep well then |
| 22:18.54 | Discordian | Hi z00dax |
| 22:18.58 | z00dax | hey Discordian |
| 22:19.01 | CopeTrain | i won't be home for nearly another hour |
| 22:19.02 | CopeTrain | been a monster day full of meetigs |
| 22:19.20 | z00dax | so, what needs to be done to get more talen and more linux friendly sorts of people involved with gllug ? |
| 22:20.08 | Discordian | Hmmm |
| 22:20.26 | Discordian | There's been a sea change over the years |
| 22:20.58 | z00dax | yes |
| 22:21.05 | z00dax | in the last 2 as well |
| 22:21.06 | Discordian | I used to go to gglug meetings when they were in Docklands |
| 22:21.42 | Discordian | One of the things is linux has taken off commercially |
| 22:21.43 | CopeTrain | talen as in fit young ladies? |
| 22:21.48 | CopeTrain | or as in clever, skilled geeks? |
| 22:21.48 | CopeTrain | hi kb; did you sort out the apache config on the api box? |
| 22:22.13 | z00dax | CopeTrain: yes, garnet rolled out |
| 22:22.22 | CopeTrain | z00dax: ace |
| 22:22.22 | z00dax | humm |
| 22:22.46 | z00dax | CopeTrain: a bit of both - fit young ladies + skilled, clever geeks |
| 22:22.46 | Discordian | I shall refrain from my usual comment about women involved in linux |
| 22:24.27 | CopeTrain | i've not been to a gllug thing for ages |
| 22:24.27 | CopeTrain | :( |
| 22:24.46 | Discordian | In years in my case |
| 22:25.22 | Discordian | I think Spudulike, leeds, and some others will remember me |
| 22:27.28 | Discordian | What time is the meeting this Sat finishing? |
| 22:29.06 | Discordian | I'll have to leave around 5 to go to the Lord Mayor's show |
| 22:29.13 | Discordian | fireworks |
| 22:29.29 | zmey_g | Discordian: 5.30pm |
| 22:29.45 | CopeTrain | maybe me too; |
| 22:29.46 | CopeTrain | me, leeds, spud, tarragon, dankolb, john hearns etc been around a while |
| 22:29.46 | CopeTrain | highbury, zachary etc :) the old guard |
| 22:30.31 | Discordian | Where you on #gb, on efnet, Cope? |
| 22:33.42 | CopeTrain | efnet from 1999-2002 I think |
| 22:34.24 | CopeTrain | #redhat, #slackware, #gb, #linux |
| 22:34.33 | CopeTrain | sepak tomorrow z00dax |
| 22:34.54 | Discordian | I was there, till we left for #dl-bar on ircnet |
| 22:35.13 | Discordian | Knew I recognised the nick |
| 22:36.23 | CopeTrain | i moved to OPN in 2002 |
| 22:36.33 | CopeTrain | ---> freenode |
| 22:36.51 | Discordian | Aye I recall when it was freenode |
| 22:37.08 | Discordian | or rather opn |
| 22:37.33 | CopeTrain | oh fuck off vodafone |
| 22:37.39 | CopeTrain | censorship-- |
| 22:38.26 | CopeTrain | aha next train here :) |
| 22:38.48 | Discordian | hwh |
| 22:38.52 | Discordian | heh |
| 22:39.55 | CopeTrain | this is quite my favourite train |
| 22:40.39 | CopeTrain | very comfy seats |
| 22:40.39 | CopeTrain | shurely shome mistake |
| 22:41.45 | Armand | gnite all. :) |
| 22:42.04 | CopeTrain | nn |
| 22:42.18 | Discordian | Good night |
| 22:42.20 | Armand | :) |
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| 22:55.12 | hali | apu |
| 23:30.52 | Leeds | Discordian: that was back when I lived in the western world... |
| 23:31.05 | Discordian | Yuss I realise |
| 23:31.30 | Leeds | ooh... |
| 23:31.56 | Discordian | I'm aware you live in HK now |
| 23:32.00 | Leeds | bought a new £185 laptop this weekend, now I've got my invite to buy a Chumby... don't really need it, but... |
| 23:32.03 | Leeds | gadgets! |
| 23:33.28 | Leeds | oh, easy answer: "At this time we can't ship to international addresses due to legal restrictions." |
| 23:33.51 | Discordian | heh |
| 23:34.38 | Leeds | could probably find someone in the US who could ship it on to me, but I don't really need to buy one anyway... |
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