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| 09:37.35 | goibhniu | hmm ... xfce is nice .. except it looks like it doesn't really do vertical panels neither :( |
| 09:41.48 | antiphase | Just use KDE |
| 09:45.56 | goibhniu | that doesn't do it at all |
| 09:46.10 | goibhniu | been using it for a couple of months ... I found it ugly |
| 09:46.14 | goibhniu | gnome does it right |
| 09:49.58 | hali | looks aside i find kde much more productive, all the great keyboard shortcuts etc |
| 09:50.03 | hali | and katapult is quite nice |
| 09:50.11 | hali | ant alt-ctrl-r |
| 09:50.38 | antiphase | Just being able to have the keyboard shortcuts you want,and not what some wiener in his bedroom decided for you is nice |
| 09:52.55 | hali | kde feels more "unix" |
| 09:53.27 | goibhniu | I don't think I use "the desktop" much ... just like to have a taskbar and a clock really |
| 09:53.40 | goibhniu | maybe I should just use screenlets and be done with it |
| 09:54.01 | hali | fvwm2 perhaps |
| 09:54.06 | hali | or blackbox |
| 09:58.29 | etorix | i like blackbox |
| 09:58.38 | etorix | flux is all fancy |
| 10:00.20 | goibhniu | fluxbox doesn't play with compiz though |
| 10:00.29 | goibhniu | or any of them |
| 10:01.11 | goibhniu | I think I want compiz as my window manager ... and then a clock and a taskbar that can go vertical |
| 10:01.44 | goibhniu | maybe I need a new desktop manager ... pizbox |
| 10:02.21 | goibhniu | tagline: "pizbox ... it's the shit" |
| 10:09.24 | Cope | i played with the compiz-fusion stuff last week |
| 10:09.48 | Cope | if one uses lots of applications / windows I think it's very effective |
| 10:10.16 | jcookeman | cope: true |
| 10:10.55 | goibhniu | it also lets you cpu do what it wants to and hands over all the visual stuff to your gpu (where it belongs) |
| 10:10.56 | Cope | I generally don't - at present I have one browser (with tabs), and one full-screen terminal, running screen and emacs |
| 10:11.45 | goibhniu | I think transparency is the only really really useful feature |
| 10:11.52 | Cope | i come from a ratpoison / ion3 perspective; but realise that other people sometimes need to drive my machine, so am trying to compromise |
| 10:11.56 | goibhniu | but I do like the wobble |
| 10:12.23 | Cope | i agree bout shortcuts - I like to choose my own; for which xfce is excellent |
| 10:12.52 | Cope | i just don't get on with kde |
| 10:13.00 | Cope | I can't see why... i can't pin it down |
| 10:13.13 | Cope | I used kde round about redhat 5.x days |
| 10:15.17 | goibhniu | but horizontal panels? seriously? ... on a widescreen!? |
| 10:17.43 | Cope | i tend not to use them at all |
| 10:17.47 | Cope | see no use for them |
| 10:18.00 | Cope | but for friendliness to others, it's helpful |
| 10:18.18 | Cope | especially to see all teh apps open along a panel |
| 10:19.42 | goibhniu | I fear that's the reason they're horizontal by default alright .. because that's how win95 did it |
| 10:20.11 | goibhniu | things move sooo slowly in IT really |
| 10:20.40 | antiphase | Why change something that's not broken? |
| 10:20.49 | antiphase | Do you have _that_ much spare time? ;) |
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| 10:22.11 | goibhniu | it is broken ... especially with widescreen monitors |
| 10:22.43 | Cope | i don't see why it's broken |
| 10:22.48 | Cope | what is broken about it? |
| 10:23.53 | goibhniu | we've got super wide monitors .. if you open things fullscreen .. half of you monitor is blank |
| 10:24.10 | goibhniu | and then all the buttons and bars scrunch it more by being on the top and bottom |
| 10:24.30 | Cope | i don't follow |
| 10:24.31 | goibhniu | not to mention the rows of tabs in most apps now .. all at the top |
| 10:24.34 | Cope | I use wide monitors |
| 10:24.43 | Cope | I run things in full screen usually |
| 10:24.52 | Cope | I use the width and the real estate |
| 10:25.00 | Cope | usually with split views |
| 10:25.24 | Cope | C-x 3 |
| 10:25.51 | Cope | or have a 1024x768 browser on one side and an editor on the other |
| 10:25.59 | goibhniu | maybe that's a better solution ... to have a lot of support for tiling windows |
| 10:26.00 | antiphase | Widescreen monitors are nice for watching films, I can't see that they improve my work experience though owing to the limited height and uselessly large width |
| 10:26.13 | Cope | antiphase: I used to find that |
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| 10:26.23 | Cope | now I wouldn't use a non wide-screen monitor |
| 10:26.36 | goibhniu | my point about the panels, is that they make the situation worse |
| 10:26.37 | Cope | partly because I do a lot of pair work |
| 10:26.42 | antiphase | I imagine it could be a re-education thing :) |
| 10:27.06 | Cope | but also because I now think and work on a monitor like a two-page book |
| 10:27.10 | Cope | left / right |
| 10:27.36 | Cope | this is why ion3 is so lovely |
| 10:28.16 | Cope | anyway, I have init scripts to finish |
| 10:28.22 | Cope | more or less here |
| 10:31.40 | zmey_g | morning comrades |
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| 10:52.06 | Cope | woo murb |
| 10:54.13 | antiphase | spitroast:~ $ host 2002:4e2f:9769:0:0:0:0:25 |
| 10:54.13 | antiphase | Host 5.2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.9.6.7.9.f.2.e.4.2.0.0.2.ip6.arpa not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 10:54.16 | antiphase | You lose |
| 10:57.21 | cpufreak | hehe |
| 10:58.10 | etorix | hmm .. anyone here getting WET |
| 10:59.05 | etorix | ah .. North Sea flood tide fears recede |
| 10:59.17 | cpufreak | well holland hasn't flooded yet |
| 10:59.35 | etorix | leaves on the tide, i expect |
| 11:00.06 | cpufreak | though apparently the barriers at rotterdam were closded for the first time ever last night |
| 11:00.09 | cpufreak | the sea barrier thingys |
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| 11:03.53 | Cope | hi Leeds |
| 11:04.00 | murb | Cope: oh i only joined here by accident. |
| 11:04.17 | murb | 'cos it is an auto whatsit when i connect to freenode. |
| 11:05.24 | antiphase | Nice to see you too ;) |
| 11:05.30 | cpufreak | heh |
| 11:06.30 | etorix | heh http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071108 |
| 11:06.58 | murb | cpufreak: you still have your hetzner box(es?)? |
| 11:07.30 | cpufreak | yep |
| 11:07.38 | cpufreak | about to upgrade to a new one |
| 11:07.47 | cpufreak | as they're stonking value |
| 11:07.51 | murb | if you want more addresses ask them to put it in rz8 |
| 11:08.11 | cpufreak | they allow irc now? |
| 11:08.49 | murb | cpufreak: they only block port 6669 for DoS reasons. |
| 11:08.57 | murb | hey their founder is oftern on irc :-) |
| 11:09.00 | cpufreak | ah ok |
| 11:09.01 | cpufreak | cool |
| 11:09.10 | cpufreak | # uptime 11:09:14 up 380 days, 1:44, 19 users, load average: 0.20, 0.24, 0.20 |
| 11:09.15 | cpufreak | thats my box from them |
| 11:09.36 | cpufreak | what is new and special about rz8 ? |
| 11:09.59 | murb | http://wiki.hetzner.de/index.php/IP-Subnetze#RZ8 |
| 11:11.16 | murb | in the older RZs they configure your subnet on one of their interfaces so you say byebye to broadcast,network and another. |
| 11:12.00 | antiphase | They're just a waste of addresses anyway |
| 11:12.26 | murb | antiphase: they had it like that i think for user support reasons. |
| 11:12.28 | etorix | who is hetzner founder? |
| 11:12.35 | murb | herr hetzner :-) |
| 11:12.46 | etorix | we has a free box from them |
| 11:14.26 | etorix | sponsored |
| 11:32.22 | etorix | and a paid one, new |
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| 13:19.06 | Ch0Hag | That crash screensaver always gets me. |
| 13:19.06 | Ch0Hag | Even for an OS that isn't Linux. |
| 13:19.06 | Ch0Hag | Even though I can't see the kernel output from within X. |
| 13:19.20 | Ch0Hag | (Do you get that if you use a framebuffer?)) |
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| 14:12.26 | teejay_ | afternoon |
| 14:32.51 | Leeds | ssshhhh |
| 14:32.59 | keithlard | i know, but it's too scary |
| 14:33.04 | teejay_ | everything in one module, config, html, everything |
| 14:33.26 | teejay_ | some files committed or added, some not |
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| 14:34.37 | keithlard | we used to have that situation before using puppet |
| 14:34.50 | keithlard | at least now things don't get rolled out until you actually check them in |
| 14:35.26 | teejay_ | with release notes |
| 14:35.45 | teejay_ | and enough servers to remove one at a time from the pool and update it |
| 14:35.56 | teejay_ | as opposed to 2 servers both at 80% usage |
| 14:36.01 | teejay_ | hello |
| 14:36.14 | wethrin | hi teejay_ |
| 14:37.14 | teejay_ | I'm trying to work out a solution that doesn't involve spending 2 days merging and branching uncommitted or old code |
| 14:38.18 | teejay_ | I'm finding that only being a single developer isn't an excuse for not branching releases |
| 15:32.50 | wethrin | nice |
| 15:33.47 | teejay_ | except of course of the last 3 days of handover to me include me taking a day off, me taking a morning off and me flying to london for a day of meetings |
| 15:35.25 | wethrin | could you redefine the 3 days to be 3 working days that you are in the workplace? :) |
| 15:37.20 | teejay_ | nah - the person I'm taking over from has a fixed leaving date |
| 15:38.57 | wethrin | ah |
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| 16:21.42 | Armand | Hi all. :) |
| 16:23.53 | wethrin | hi |
| 16:23.58 | Armand | :) |
| 16:24.00 | *** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ |
| 16:24.01 | Armand | How are you? |
| 16:24.05 | wethrin | Not too bad |
| 16:24.09 | Armand | good good |
| 16:24.24 | *** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG - Next Meeting, 10th November, that's TOMORROW!, Westminster University |
| 16:24.24 | Armand | I downloaded Fedora 8 DVD this morning. :) |
| 16:24.28 | wethrin | Hurrah! |
| 16:24.38 | *** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG - Next Meeting, 10th November, that's TOMORROW!, Westminster University - http://www.gllug.org.uk for details and directions |
| 16:24.42 | *** mode/#gllug [-o wethrin] by wethrin |
| 16:25.02 | Armand | Was done in about 3 hours~ish.. |
| 16:26.11 | wethrin | That's not too bad |
| 16:26.11 | Armand | "upto" 8Mb/s Sly *shudders* |
| 16:26.11 | Armand | Sky.. :P |
| 16:32.01 | Armand | Need to get my PC setup so I can burn it.. |
| 16:32.40 | wethrin | Burn the PC? |
| 16:32.47 | Armand | Yeah... ¬_¬ |
| 16:32.49 | Armand | :P |
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| 16:43.26 | Armand | It LIVES!! |
| 16:57.59 | z00dax | wethrin: ping |
| 17:01.33 | wethrin | z00dax: pong |
| 17:01.45 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.53 | z00dax | just sent an email to gllug-admin as well |
| 17:01.58 | wethrin | goibhni1: ping? |
| 17:02.13 | wethrin | Right. I don't think we can call in a speaker earlier |
| 17:02.18 | wethrin | Err |
| 17:02.23 | wethrin | At such short notice |
| 17:02.24 | goibhni1 | z00dax: sorry to hear that |
| 17:02.31 | goibhni1 | hmm |
| 17:02.37 | goibhni1 | I could speak about stuff |
| 17:02.39 | wethrin | Encourage more people to give lightning talks :) |
| 17:02.46 | wethrin | If you'd like to speak about stuff, that'd rock |
| 17:02.52 | z00dax | really sorry guys |
| 17:02.59 | wethrin | goibhni1++ # throwing himself into the Gllug organiser spirit :) |
| 17:03.04 | wethrin | z00dax: S'ok |
| 17:03.11 | goibhni1 | np z00dax I hope it's nothing serious |
| 17:03.33 | goibhni1 | nah ... I'm all talked out |
| 17:03.36 | wethrin | Is it worth still sending out an announcement? |
| 17:03.49 | goibhni1 | go for it |
| 17:03.53 | z00dax | no, nothing serious - just that i am required to be somewhere tomorrow - and my parents would really like me to be there . |
| 17:03.54 | goibhni1 | maybe someone will step up |
| 17:04.08 | z00dax | which is in the opposite direction from London - and I just came to know about it this morning. |
| 17:04.15 | wethrin | Okay. |
| 17:04.23 | wethrin | I'll say that you had to pull out due to a family emergency |
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| 17:04.49 | goibhni1 | z00dax: ahh .. that's good |
| 17:04.58 | wethrin | And say that if anyone would like to speak, they should just turn up at W'min around 1.15, and fill in your timeslot? |
| 17:05.12 | z00dax | works for me. |
| 17:05.16 | goibhni1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:05.25 | wethrin | Okay |
| 17:05.44 | wethrin | goibhni1: Have you contacted armijn and Rich to make sure they're there earlier? |
| 17:05.49 | goibhni1 | dang |
| 17:06.00 | goibhni1 | I was in touch with armijn earlier in the week |
| 17:06.06 | wethrin | Do you have his number? |
| 17:06.10 | goibhni1 | he's good to go .. I have his pdf |
| 17:06.47 | goibhni1 | I do |
| 17:06.47 | wethrin | Right :) |
| 17:06.47 | goibhni1 | and he has my mobile # |
| 17:06.47 | goibhni1 | Rich, I haven't contacted |
| 17:06.47 | wethrin | Good good. I'll remind him at some point tonight or tomorrow morning, then |
| 17:06.47 | goibhni1 | armijn? |
| 17:06.51 | wethrin | Yeah |
| 17:07.41 | goibhni1 | etorix: sidux demo? |
| 17:07.41 | goibhni1 | surely that fedora guy would jump in for a tour of F8? |
| 17:07.50 | goibhni1 | well .. he's more into virtualisation stuff |
| 17:09.11 | goibhni1 | dang .. spin the bottle for half an hour? |
| 17:09.52 | antiphase | http://lolinator.com/lol/www.gllug.org.uk |
| 17:10.31 | goibhni1 | genious! |
| 17:12.02 | wethrin | lovely :) |
| 17:12.45 | wethrin | z00dax: Can you speak at next Gllug meeting instead? |
| 17:13.04 | z00dax | do we have a date in mind ? |
| 17:13.21 | z00dax | i will definitely do this talk, i did spend about 4 hrs setting everything up on my laptop |
| 17:15.07 | wethrin | Not yet |
| 17:15.07 | wethrin | I reckon on mid-late January |
| 17:15.07 | z00dax | I wont be in the country last week of Jan + first week of Feb, but as long as its not in that timezone, yes would definitely do the talk |
| 17:15.08 | z00dax | i suppose we will also all be in .be 3rd weekend of Feb |
| 17:17.14 | wethrin | Yes, so it'd be silly to have a meeting then |
| 17:17.38 | wethrin | Okay, does the following sound okay: |
| 17:17.45 | wethrin | Unfortunately, one of our speakers has had to pull out at the last minute, due |
| 17:17.45 | wethrin | to a family matter. This does mean that we have a slot free. If anyone fancies |
| 17:17.45 | wethrin | giving a last-minute talk, then please come along to the University around 1.15 |
| 17:17.45 | wethrin | - there will be people setting up the projector around that time: give one of |
| 17:17.45 | wethrin | them a shout. |
| 17:18.03 | z00dax | sounds ok to me |
| 17:18.06 | wethrin | Okay |
| 17:19.00 | zmey_g | dejavu |
| 17:19.28 | goibhni1 | is it Sean who normally sets up the signs etc? |
| 17:20.40 | wethrin | Frank, normally |
| 17:20.40 | zmey_g | goibhni1: i mlght come earlier. |
| 17:20.40 | zmey_g | hi all |
| 17:20.40 | goibhni1 | hi zmey_g .. oh I thought you weren't going to make it? |
| 17:21.00 | zmey_g | i choose london over guildford |
| 17:21.15 | goibhni1 | nice one :D |
| 17:21.37 | goibhni1 | wanna give a talk? |
| 17:22.24 | zmey_g | btw i had RAID issue which i laboriously resolved and now free to go where i want |
| 17:22.45 | zmey_g | goibhni1: :) me, talk? |
| 17:28.04 | zmey_g | i would love to talk, but currently i don't have particular topic to uncover. may be later as i find my niche. |
| 17:28.22 | goibhni1 | it's a tough crowd |
| 17:29.15 | zmey_g | goibhni1: i love jinzora. |
| 17:32.57 | goibhni1 | cool .. I'm gonna have a look at that in a minute |
| 17:35.11 | zmey_g | goibhni1: on my lan it's perfect solution for the small hdd |
| 17:35.28 | zmey_g | no latency - perfect! |
| 17:38.01 | goibhni1 | ~wiki jinzora |
| 17:38.50 | zmey_g | ibot: )http://www.jinzora.org/ |
| 17:44.53 | goibhni1 | wethrin: do you know if there's any particular reason why Rich is scheduled for the last talk? I know Armijn needs to be on first, but maybe he can go after that? |
| 17:44.59 | goibhni1 | I've just written to him anyway |
| 17:46.16 | wethrin | goibhni1: That's fine |
| 17:46.24 | wethrin | There's no reason for the schedule to be that way |
| 17:47.33 | goibhni1 | cool .. I'm sure both those talks will be great anyway |
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| 17:52.54 | zmey_g | good news about M$ | Nigeria deal - Mandriva deal!!! All went wrong for M$, oops. |
| 17:53.16 | goibhni1 | oh yeah? |
| 17:53.37 | zmey_g | http://www.computerworlduk.com/management/government-law/public-sector/news/index.cfm?newsid=6124 |
| 17:53.49 | zmey_g | oh yeah |
| 17:54.20 | goibhni1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:54.35 | goibhni1 | ffs ... it really is like dealing with the mafia |
| 17:54.52 | zmey_g | nice pirouette! |
| 17:55.30 | wethrin | hometime! |
| 17:58.08 | zmey_g | i like this bit "Mba-Uzoukwu wrote that Microsoft is still negotiating an agreement that would give TSC US$400,000 (£190,323) for marketing activities around the Classmate PCs when those computers are converted to Windows." |
| 17:58.36 | zmey_g | noo noo. it's not a bribe! |
| 18:06.34 | Armand | HAHAHA |
| 18:06.50 | Armand | Someone just got a 30d chan ban for posting a goatse link. :P |
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| 18:32.02 | goibhni1 | zmey_g: I'm trying to play a tune from your jinzora .. it's a bit jumpy though |
| 18:32.06 | goibhni1 | looks nice |
| 18:32.18 | goibhni1 | would be great for a free station I suppose |
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| 18:32.58 | zmey_g | goibhni1: ah, i see you. |
| 18:33.10 | zmey_g | what do you play? |
| 18:33.39 | goibhni1 | no quarter :D |
| 18:34.34 | zmey_g | listen to armenian duduk. |
| 18:35.30 | zmey_g | it's a bit unusual though. |
| 18:36.12 | zmey_g | goibhni1: increase cache |
| 18:37.36 | goibhni1 | ahh .. I was using realplayer ... doh! |
| 18:37.44 | goibhni1 | it's lovely in audacious |
| 18:37.46 | zmey_g | i think you can see me as well under Who is where |
| 18:37.49 | goibhni1 | this sounds good |
| 18:38.15 | goibhni1 | dang .. if I can get this onto mpd .. it'll be much nicer |
| 18:38.43 | zmey_g | most of the stuff is rock n roll or crazy trance |
| 18:40.01 | zmey_g | i start populate the server yesterday so the list is short |
| 18:40.02 | goibhni1 | nice |
| 18:40.57 | zmey_g | you should be able to build it |
| 18:41.19 | zmey_g | but the product is very buggy. |
| 18:41.32 | goibhni1 | yeah? |
| 18:41.56 | zmey_g | if you try some interfaces you will see it |
| 18:42.01 | goibhni1 | I wonder should I suggest it to the good folks at #radioinkorrekt.org |
| 18:42.11 | goibhni1 | what is it php? |
| 18:42.16 | zmey_g | of cause |
| 18:42.30 | zmey_g | i mean yes |
| 18:42.56 | zmey_g | oh btw. do you know eyeos? |
| 18:43.08 | goibhni1 | yeah, I've heard of it |
| 18:43.13 | zmey_g | :) |
| 18:43.53 | zmey_g | i have on my mac Rumpus ftp, with http front end |
| 18:44.24 | zmey_g | would be nice to have something like this under Open source |
| 18:45.37 | goibhni1 | rumpus? |
| 18:45.40 | goibhni1 | what is it? |
| 18:45.47 | zmey_g | ftp |
| 18:45.55 | zmey_g | ftp server |
| 18:45.58 | goibhni1 | with a front end :) |
| 18:46.09 | zmey_g | :) |
| 18:46.13 | zmey_g | ok |
| 18:46.16 | goibhni1 | what's it do ... user management stuff? |
| 18:46.49 | zmey_g | in jinzora? |
| 18:48.17 | goibhni1 | rumpus |
| 18:48.40 | goibhni1 | surely there are plenty of open source ftp servers with web frontends? |
| 18:48.46 | goibhni1 | are there not? |
| 18:49.01 | zmey_g | i think so, but never come across |
| 18:49.23 | zmey_g | sure it's not very difficult to build |
| 18:50.36 | zmey_g | i will build one 1 day |
| 18:55.41 | goibhni1 | zmey_g: I haven't found anything :( |
| 18:56.09 | goibhni1 | I use vsftpd .. and it lists the files |
| 18:56.19 | goibhni1 | I assume rumpes does something more |
| 18:56.42 | zmey_g | do you want to see rumpus on my mac? |
| 18:57.37 | goibhni1 | ok, cool |
| 18:57.55 | zmey_g | 1 sec, login will be the same |
| 18:59.11 | *** part/#gllug JohnDoe666 (n=JohnDoe6@87.194.165.104) |
| 19:06.58 | zmey_g | goibhni1: can you see me in private? |
| 19:09.59 | goibhni1 | I can |
| 19:10.06 | goibhni1 | but! you can't see me |
| 19:10.23 | zmey_g | http://chameleon.entadsl.com/ |
| 19:11.22 | zmey_g | login works, might be some privileges not that generous but you can work around anyway |
| 19:11.45 | goibhni1 | hmm .. same user:pass as before? |
| 19:11.50 | goibhni1 | doesn't seem to do it for me |
| 19:12.03 | zmey_g | 1 sec |
| 19:12.51 | zmey_g | can you send pm to me? |
| 19:16.05 | goibhniu | cool ... that worked |
| 19:16.48 | zmey_g | most of the stuff are trash |
| 19:16.49 | goibhniu | ok I get the idea |
| 19:17.03 | goibhniu | I'll log out now and you can delete the account (for security) |
| 19:17.30 | goibhniu | yeah I can see how it's handy |
| 19:17.56 | goibhniu | ok .. I'm gonna try to find something like that too, I could use it |
| 19:18.00 | zmey_g | ok |
| 19:18.17 | zmey_g | see you tomorrow. have to work |
| 19:18.48 | goibhniu | see ya |
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| 20:17.35 | StormiWest | hey |
| 20:18.28 | Discordian | lo |
| 20:19.32 | StormiWest | i have a completely irrelevant question |
| 20:19.41 | StormiWest | i'm from the states and i want to know if i went to ireland how much would food cost |
| 20:19.57 | StormiWest | which might completely piss everyone off since it's a london chat, but the irish don't chat apparently |
| 20:19.59 | Discordian | i'm not able to help |
| 20:20.07 | StormiWest | how much is london food |
| 20:20.13 | Discordian | never been to ireland |
| 20:20.25 | Discordian | london is expensive |
| 20:20.35 | StormiWest | like if i wanted a slice of pizza? |
| 20:20.52 | Discordian | 2-3 quid |
| 20:21.56 | Discordian | i guess it depends if you mean dublin or elsewhere |
| 20:22.33 | StormiWest | not sure yet |
| 20:23.03 | Discordian | dublin is likely to be expensive |
| 20:23.22 | goibhniu | it's expensive |
| 20:23.27 | goibhniu | the food is quite bad |
| 20:23.30 | Discordian | but london is one of the top 5 most expensive cities in the world |
| 20:23.38 | goibhniu | dublin is well up there |
| 20:23.46 | StormiWest | i was thinking maybe galway or cork |
| 20:23.51 | StormiWest | since they're pretty and have castles |
| 20:23.52 | goibhniu | good thinking |
| 20:24.00 | goibhniu | much nicer places IMO |
| 20:24.09 | StormiWest | i just need to get an idea of how much money to budget for food for a week |
| 20:24.10 | goibhniu | I lived in galway for 3 years |
| 20:24.21 | goibhniu | depends on your tastes |
| 20:24.30 | goibhniu | and how convenient you want it |
| 20:24.32 | StormiWest | just cheap stuff, pizza, sandwhiches... |
| 20:24.39 | StormiWest | i'll probably stay in a hostel |
| 20:24.44 | goibhniu | you can get cheap food in aldi |
| 20:25.02 | goibhniu | I don't know if you can cook in hostels in ireland in general |
| 20:25.09 | StormiWest | i doubt it |
| 20:25.09 | goibhniu | maybe but I wouldn't count on it |
| 20:25.23 | goibhniu | you'll probably eat a lot or garlic and cheese chips :D |
| 20:25.31 | Discordian | there's always McD |
| 20:25.35 | goibhniu | uggh |
| 20:25.37 | StormiWest | eww |
| 20:25.43 | StormiWest | that's emergency food |
| 20:25.48 | goibhniu | no .. you won't be short of good chipperies in ireland |
| 20:25.54 | Discordian | I like garlic |
| 20:25.55 | goibhniu | I can recommend some in galway |
| 20:26.05 | goibhniu | indian is a bit fancy |
| 20:26.13 | goibhniu | chinese is a bit cheaper |
| 20:26.26 | StormiWest | cheap is good |
| 20:26.29 | wethrin | I LIKE PIE |
| 20:26.37 | goibhniu | pizzas probably aren't so cheap |
| 20:26.38 | StormiWest | i don't actually have the money for the trip, i'm in college... i just really want to go |
| 20:26.46 | StormiWest | pizza is cheap in the states |
| 20:26.47 | goibhniu | can you busk? |
| 20:27.00 | StormiWest | i can play bodhran |
| 20:27.02 | goibhniu | I think you're gonna eat a *lot* of chips |
| 20:27.14 | goibhniu | ah |
| 20:27.20 | goibhniu | that will come in handy |
| 20:27.21 | Discordian | A nice prawn curry is always good |
| 20:27.31 | goibhniu | there's money to be made on the streets of galway and cork |
| 20:27.44 | goibhniu | I don't think you need a licence |
| 20:27.55 | goibhniu | just do something interesting |
| 20:28.05 | StormiWest | it's something to consider, i've had to beg food before |
| 20:28.18 | goibhniu | I saw a guy stand on his head in a bucket all day .. I think it worked for him |
| 20:28.57 | goibhniu | you'll have stiff competition with the bodhran though |
| 20:29.01 | StormiWest | yah |
| 20:29.05 | goibhniu | but it's good for networking |
| 20:29.12 | StormiWest | my plan was to bluff a lot |
| 20:29.13 | StormiWest | like |
| 20:29.17 | StormiWest | i'm american so i shouldnt be able to play |
| 20:29.21 | StormiWest | but then magically i can play a litt |
| 20:29.22 | StormiWest | little* |
| 20:29.27 | StormiWest | so they give me food... |
| 20:29.37 | goibhniu | StormiWest: you're gonna be rich! |
| 20:29.46 | goibhniu | you've got it sussed |
| 20:29.52 | StormiWest | :) |
| 20:30.07 | StormiWest | so when is the rainy season off? |
| 20:30.13 | goibhniu | learn a few phrases in irish too |
| 20:30.20 | StormiWest | i know "craic" |
| 20:30.21 | goibhniu | that'll get you drunk too |
| 20:30.25 | wethrin | StormiWest: Between the 2nd and 3rd of August. |
| 20:30.28 | wethrin | On alternate years |
| 20:30.32 | StormiWest | rofl |
| 20:30.53 | goibhniu | don't wear a rain coat .. everyone will know you're a foreigner |
| 20:31.05 | StormiWest | i was only gonna have a backpack of stuff anyway |
| 20:31.15 | StormiWest | that doesn't leave much room for raincoats |
| 20:31.31 | goibhniu | no .. and you won't be able to complain about the weather so much |
| 20:31.44 | StormiWest | that's fine |
| 20:32.02 | wethrin | YOu don't need space for it. YOu're going to be wearing it |
| 20:32.11 | goibhniu | no no .. you'll get mugged |
| 20:32.25 | Discordian | It always rains in these parts |
| 20:32.37 | wethrin | Even in Cork? |
| 20:32.54 | goibhniu | if you want to learn some irish .. pop into #gaeilge on quakenet |
| 20:33.18 | StormiWest | i tried the whole learning irish thing a few years ago........ didn't work out so well |
| 20:33.25 | StormiWest | i think it's up there in difficulty with chinese |
| 20:33.36 | Discordian | I tried to learn Welsh |
| 20:33.41 | StormiWest | you poor soul |
| 20:33.42 | wethrin | There's a reason no-one speaks Gaelic |
| 20:33.51 | goibhniu | there are actually a couple of merkins on that channel who speak it |
| 20:34.04 | StormiWest | welsh doesn't have vowels.... |
| 20:34.23 | Discordian | of course it does |
| 20:34.24 | goibhniu | wethrin: yes .. queen elizabeth |
| 20:34.39 | wethrin | hint of bitterness there? |
| 20:35.02 | wethrin | Welsh vowels appear approximately twice in any given chapter of a Welsh book |
| 20:35.13 | goibhniu | wethrin: 800 years |
| 20:35.21 | wethrin | :) |
| 20:35.36 | goibhniu | are .. sure we're all europeans now :D |
| 20:37.14 | StormiWest | so is there really not a good summer month? |
| 20:37.18 | StormiWest | maybe july? |
| 20:37.54 | wethrin | You takes your chances any time of the year |
| 20:37.58 | goibhniu | no chance StormiWest |
| 20:38.06 | wethrin | This year (at least in England) it was a particularly shite summer |
| 20:38.12 | wethrin | The last few years it was *hot* |
| 20:38.21 | wethrin | Although if you come in April, it might be better :) |
| 20:38.32 | Discordian | Weather is these isles is unpredictable |
| 20:38.33 | goibhniu | people say august .. but it depends on the direction the swans are flying etc |
| 20:38.45 | Discordian | s/is/in/ |
| 20:39.03 | StormiWest | i guess i'll have to take my chances in august |
| 20:39.17 | StormiWest | how cold would it get? |
| 20:39.38 | StormiWest | rainy usually means chilly here..... |
| 20:39.39 | Discordian | -10 C I guess at worst |
| 20:39.50 | StormiWest | like in august on a rainy day |
| 20:40.25 | Discordian | You can never tell |
| 20:40.58 | Discordian | There's been years when London in December was 17C |
| 20:41.05 | goibhniu | I've never witnessed < -4 .. in the winteriest or winters |
| 20:41.10 | Discordian | T-shirt weather |
| 20:41.23 | goibhniu | ireland is mild ... mostly 10-18C any time of year |
| 20:41.33 | wethrin | Gulf Stream++ |
| 20:41.45 | goibhniu | can get above 22C ... everyone goes crazy |
| 20:42.47 | Discordian | -1 C is predicted for London this week |
| 20:44.28 | StormiWest | i really don't mind weather by this point |
| 20:44.40 | StormiWest | my first year of college i lived in this place that rained and was windy the whole year |
| 20:44.48 | StormiWest | wind i almost couldn't walk against |
| 20:45.08 | StormiWest | and then my second year there was 2 feet of snow at all times and it got to like -10C or something |
| 20:45.13 | StormiWest | for about two weeks |
| 20:45.38 | goibhniu | I would think that heading to galway or cork just after people go back to uni would be good timing |
| 20:45.40 | StormiWest | wait, i converted wrong, more like -23 C |
| 20:45.48 | goibhniu | or the jazz festival in cork |
| 20:46.00 | Discordian | -23! |
| 20:46.01 | StormiWest | when are these times? |
| 20:46.19 | goibhniu | dunno |
| 20:46.24 | goibhniu | you'd want to look it up |
| 20:46.35 | StormiWest | discordian - they told us not go to outside more than 15 min or our skin would freeze off |
| 20:46.39 | goibhniu | the jazz festival is in october I think |
| 20:46.52 | Discordian | that'd scare me |
| 20:47.09 | StormiWest | it was ok for a year |
| 20:47.15 | StormiWest | wouldn't want to stick around though |
| 20:47.39 | StormiWest | but yah if i go to ireland it has to be over summer |
| 20:47.43 | wethrin | Sounds quite Canadian :) |
| 20:47.53 | StormiWest | it was actually right off the canadian border |
| 20:49.50 | goibhniu | StormiWest: galway arts festival! |
| 20:49.53 | goibhniu | it's a winner |
| 20:49.58 | StormiWest | what month? |
| 20:50.10 | goibhniu | ~wiki galway arts festival |
| 20:50.32 | StormiWest | that's neat |
| 20:50.40 | wethrin | Jazz, eh? |
| 20:51.01 | goibhniu | the cork jazz festival is great |
| 20:51.23 | goibhniu | it's the only jazz festival I've been to ... but people were unbelievably friendly |
| 20:51.38 | goibhniu | it was like everyone was on mdma |
| 20:53.14 | StormiWest | i saw that i could get a flight to ireland with a 13 hr layover in amsterdam |
| 20:53.20 | goibhniu | StormiWest: boards.ie might be a good place for further info too |
| 20:53.24 | wethrin | I was on Islay during the Islay jazz festival, but failed to see any of the jazz acts |
| 20:55.00 | StormiWest | i just want to look at the pretty green things and castles |
| 20:55.43 | goibhniu | you better like grey stone walls .. and bogs ... and sheep |
| 20:55.50 | StormiWest | they're all nice |
| 20:56.00 | goibhniu | yeah .. the landscape is quite nice |
| 20:56.05 | StormiWest | if i didn't like them i wouldn't want to visit |
| 20:56.20 | goibhniu | donegal may be the nicest ... but all the west coast is great IMO |
| 20:56.44 | goibhniu | transport is a pain ... but you can hitch |
| 20:56.57 | StormiWest | is that safe there? |
| 20:57.11 | goibhniu | as long as it's not a priest driving |
| 20:57.22 | wethrin | I'm reckoning that Ireland is likely to be safer than most other places :) |
| 20:57.30 | Discordian | Mostly |
| 20:57.35 | wethrin | goibhniu: Surely that depends whether you're male or female :) |
| 20:58.07 | StormiWest | <--- female |
| 20:58.16 | goibhniu | ireland isn't all that safe |
| 20:58.42 | Discordian | Well the priests in Ireland target females |
| 20:58.46 | goibhniu | you've got to have some sense |
| 20:59.06 | Discordian | whereas the Uk ones seem to go for boys |
| 20:59.10 | kjalil | z00dax: ? |
| 20:59.15 | goibhniu | they go for boys in ireland too |
| 20:59.34 | wethrin | kjalil! You exist! |
| 21:00.07 | StormiWest | so... what should i be most careful of, honestly |
| 21:00.31 | Discordian | your purse probably |
| 21:00.34 | goibhniu | just the usual stuff |
| 21:00.34 | wethrin | I'd beware of goibhniu :) |
| 21:00.45 | goibhniu | it's ok .. I don't live there any more |
| 21:00.50 | StormiWest | i can fight a little but i don't trust my skills against the irish |
| 21:01.01 | wethrin | Drink more first |
| 21:01.17 | Discordian | i rather doubt it's that bad |
| 21:01.18 | goibhniu | take the usual precautions when travelling ... and more when you're on your own |
| 21:01.36 | Discordian | even london isn't that |
| 21:01.47 | wethrin | I feel quite safe in Central London at night |
| 21:01.55 | StormiWest | i'm not sure if i'm going alone yet or not |
| 21:01.59 | Discordian | same |
| 21:02.05 | goibhniu | london isn't so bad |
| 21:02.16 | wethrin | Outside Central it can be dodgy |
| 21:02.32 | Discordian | barca is well dodgy |
| 21:02.32 | kjalil | wethrin: hi, yeah i just scrolled up and am sorry to read that z00dax won't make it, i wanted to meet him |
| 21:02.36 | goibhniu | wethrin: are you gonna see armijn tonight or did I get that wrong? |
| 21:02.47 | wethrin | goibhniu: No - I was planning on sending him a tex |
| 21:02.50 | wethrin | *Text |
| 21:03.07 | goibhniu | ok .. I'll send him one too |
| 21:03.17 | goibhniu | dunno if it costs him lots to recieve it |
| 21:03.40 | wethrin | Shouldn't do |
| 21:03.44 | wethrin | Normally it's free to receive |
| 21:04.00 | goibhniu | StormiWest: you just need to be sensible |
| 21:04.06 | StormiWest | i think i'll be fine |
| 21:04.14 | goibhniu | wethrin: cool |
| 21:04.50 | StormiWest | so how much would cheap food cost? |
| 21:04.50 | goibhniu | galway is a particularly nice student type place .. and during the arts festival it will be packed with foreigners |
| 21:05.20 | goibhniu | chips? ~ 2 euros now maybe |
| 21:05.32 | StormiWest | ok |
| 21:05.44 | wethrin | You'd best travel before the USD slips even further down |
| 21:05.51 | StormiWest | yah... |
| 21:05.58 | goibhniu | a meal in a restaurant ~ 12 euros? |
| 21:06.48 | goibhniu | sorry, it's been a while I'm not really sure |
| 21:06.48 | StormiWest | that definitely helps me think about things though |
| 21:06.57 | wethrin | £8? That sounds reasonably pub-food-like |
| 21:07.45 | StormiWest | oh, and concerning america..... |
| 21:07.46 | goibhniu | yeah ... it's not far off prices here really |
| 21:07.49 | StormiWest | should i pretend to be canadian? |
| 21:07.56 | wethrin | So. Do I want a wee dram? |
| 21:08.17 | goibhniu | StormiWest: you may be surprised by the amount of politcal talk in ireland |
| 21:08.36 | goibhniu | but people tend to judge you as an individual |
| 21:08.41 | goibhniu | being canadian would help |
| 21:08.47 | goibhniu | sorry .. only messing |
| 21:09.00 | StormiWest | hey if i ever go to france i'm saying i'm canadian..... |
| 21:09.05 | goibhniu | hehe |
| 21:09.14 | StormiWest | i know everyone hates us, it's just a matter of how much |
| 21:09.22 | StormiWest | but it's ok, we hate ourselves |
| 21:09.24 | wethrin | IF you go to france, then just say you're invading them |
| 21:09.33 | goibhniu | just complain about the english a lot ... they love that stuff |
| 21:09.40 | wethrin | People don't mind the USians that travel outside the US |
| 21:10.08 | goibhniu | it's true .. people like the USians with passports |
| 21:10.14 | StormiWest | that's cool |
| 21:10.31 | wethrin | goibhniu: Yeah - it shows they're aware of a world outside the US |
| 21:10.44 | StormiWest | haha |
| 21:11.02 | StormiWest | hey i learned basic french, i'm cultured and worldly now |
| 21:11.12 | StormiWest | and i went to canada once |
| 21:11.20 | wethrin | I've been more than once. I WIN! |
| 21:11.31 | StormiWest | it's not really a different country very much :( |
| 21:11.31 | goibhniu | StormiWest: seriously ... you're gonna have a great time ... but you may never eat chips again |
| 21:11.39 | StormiWest | i'm sure the food can't be that bad |
| 21:11.41 | Discordian | Je m'appelle Clive |
| 21:12.02 | wethrin | Depends where you go |
| 21:12.06 | goibhniu | soda bread is nice |
| 21:12.13 | wethrin | However - very often, you get what you pay for |
| 21:12.17 | StormiWest | i've made soda bread |
| 21:13.00 | StormiWest | at least ireland eats "normal" food |
| 21:13.02 | goibhniu | the tricky thing is that you'll probably need to spend a lot of time in the pub if you want to meet people etc ... that can be expensive |
| 21:13.18 | goibhniu | if you really want to be clever ... get to know some irish people on irc first |
| 21:13.19 | wethrin | 'normal'? |
| 21:13.28 | goibhniu | they'll definitely let you stay over |
| 21:13.30 | wethrin | pubs++ |
| 21:13.32 | goibhniu | and feed you beer |
| 21:13.40 | wethrin | Beer, or Guinness? |
| 21:13.52 | StormiWest | i had two irish friends a few years ago and they disappeared |
| 21:13.59 | goibhniu | it's very common for students to share houses together and do a lot of partying in their houses |
| 21:14.02 | StormiWest | the one definitely would have let me stay |
| 21:14.17 | StormiWest | but he was like right by northern ireland |
| 21:15.11 | goibhniu | and yes .. the beer in ireland is disappointing too |
| 21:15.35 | Discordian | disappointing? |
| 21:15.46 | goibhniu | but it feels much more like europe than england .. because they don't insist on wrapping everything in plastic bags |
| 21:15.46 | wethrin | Guinness, mostly |
| 21:16.00 | goibhniu | no ales or bitters or anything interesting |
| 21:16.03 | wethrin | Fish & chips should be wrapped in week-old newspaper |
| 21:16.06 | goibhniu | just factory beers and bottles |
| 21:16.09 | wethrin | There's a few brewpubs, admittedly |
| 21:16.15 | Discordian | i don't like guiness |
| 21:16.29 | goibhniu | micro breweries are very rare in ireland |
| 21:16.48 | wethrin | there's about 4 of them, aren't they? |
| 21:16.55 | goibhniu | that could be true |
| 21:16.58 | Discordian | nowhere here does fish and chps in newspapers |
| 21:17.04 | wethrin | Then they're WRONG! |
| 21:17.14 | Discordian | it's not allowed |
| 21:17.16 | wethrin | But I don't like fish anyway, so mneh |
| 21:17.55 | Discordian | i like cod,salmon, huss |
| 21:19.24 | StormiWest | maybe i'll just look cute and some drunk will buy me food |
| 21:19.39 | wethrin | could work :) |
| 21:20.06 | StormiWest | all these strategies are gone if my bf comes along for the trip |
| 21:21.27 | wethrin | Bah. ICBA to get up from the sofa to get a drink. Ne'er mind |
| 21:23.44 | StormiWest | hey thanks for the advice but i'm gonna head out for a while |
| 21:23.48 | StormiWest | i might be back another time |
| 21:24.23 | wethrin | okay! |
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