| 00:15.48 | Cope | he does |
| 00:16.21 | wethrin | excellent. Just need one more speaker, then :) |
| 00:17.17 | wethrin | How does mid-end January sound? |
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| 00:18.18 | wethrin | rhowe! Give a talk to Gllug! |
| 01:07.03 | z00dax | wethrin: yes, i shall talk next time for sure - i think Cope too owes a talk. we might even be able to get keithlard_ to give a talk on 'life in ruby land, for an ex-python' |
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| 08:49.20 | bilarh | is it just me, or does the 2.0 branch of firefox use way more cpu than the old versions? |
| 08:49.36 | bilarh | maybe it's my graphics drivers |
| 08:50.38 | etorix | way more cpu |
| 08:50.59 | etorix | lite it aint, anymore |
| 08:51.12 | bilarh | it sucks, i'd prefer surfing in explorer to this crappiness |
| 08:51.20 | bilarh | maybe i should give opera a whirl |
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| 09:08.44 | bilarh | mr goibhniu |
| 09:09.16 | goibhniu | bilarh: you've been sorely missed! |
| 09:10.38 | bilarh | a weeks holiday where i managed to burn myself (again) and then a weeks oracle training to recover |
| 09:11.36 | goibhniu | eek! .. sun burn or boiling oil? |
| 09:12.05 | bilarh | sun burn |
| 09:12.13 | goibhniu | ah nice |
| 09:12.23 | bilarh | nice! |
| 09:12.39 | bilarh | maybe you should open a salon |
| 09:12.42 | bilarh | it might catch on :-) |
| 09:13.47 | bilarh | heheh |
| 09:14.23 | bilarh | if it doesn't work, you can rebrand and sell "Terrorist Torture services" to the MI5 |
| 09:16.10 | bilarh | people in sweden are calling for a law to stop photographers taking pictures of them without their consent |
| 09:16.35 | bilarh | i've been back at work for 50 minutes, and already i'm stressed out by people's stupidity |
| 09:16.40 | goibhniu | sweden rocks! |
| 09:17.58 | bilarh | they're only thinking of the children and terrorists, i suppose... |
| 09:18.59 | bilarh | this is worth a watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84_QL1kEmH4&eurl=http://widget-86.slide.com/widgets/sf.swf |
| 09:32.18 | wethrin | z00dax: Excellent. That's a talk sorted, then! |
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| 09:43.57 | zmey_g | morning all |
| 09:44.58 | wethrin | morning |
| 09:46.56 | zmey_g | wethrin: any good news? |
| 09:50.26 | wethrin | No, I'm still waiting for my lift |
| 09:51.22 | goibhniu | mornin |
| 09:52.17 | wethrin | It is monday |
| 09:53.15 | goibhniu | can anyone refer me to some nice best practices for managing ~100 boxes, especially for security? |
| 09:53.36 | wethrin | Avoid having the internet-facing, if possible |
| 09:53.51 | goibhniu | we're having a team meeting (on irc, yay!) and I am but a lowly developer .. yet I feel there could be improvements |
| 09:54.28 | goibhniu | user management is what I'm after really |
| 09:54.47 | wethrin | Ah, not computer management? |
| 09:55.02 | wethrin | For which there's some tool that I can't for the life of me remember now |
| 09:55.29 | wethrin | Ah |
| 09:55.30 | wethrin | cfengine |
| 09:55.53 | zmey_g | goibhniu: morning. |
| 09:55.59 | goibhniu | managing lots of machines, with various authentication details |
| 09:56.20 | wethrin | centralised user/password database |
| 09:56.23 | goibhniu | and by managing I don't really mean updating or doing andything |
| 09:56.30 | goibhniu | wethrin: spicy |
| 09:56.34 | goibhniu | what's that? |
| 09:56.42 | wethrin | cfengine? |
| 09:56.46 | wethrin | Google :) |
| 09:56.50 | wethrin | ~wiki cfengine |
| 09:57.25 | wethrin | It's an arse to get going. But it can be handy for large numbers of machines |
| 09:58.08 | goibhniu | hmm .. not sure if that's what I had in mind ... looks interesting though |
| 09:58.27 | wethrin | It allows you to push changes out to multiple machines |
| 09:58.36 | wethrin | And define computers as having certain roles |
| 09:58.59 | goibhniu | say developer #23 needs to login to machine 142 ... do some work for a couple of days and then get out of there |
| 09:59.22 | wethrin | Is that the current system? |
| 09:59.25 | goibhniu | not really pushing changes or doing anything that would be repeated on other boxes |
| 09:59.31 | wethrin | Right |
| 09:59.45 | goibhniu | that's something that happens regularly |
| 10:00.37 | bilarh | ok, this sucks.. i need to upgrade my computer so i can have a working firefox |
| 10:00.48 | bilarh | maybe i should run it on the cluster instead |
| 10:00.50 | wethrin | I run Firefox on a P3/450 w/ 128MB RAM |
| 10:00.58 | bilarh | screw teh other jobs, i need my news fix |
| 10:01.19 | bilarh | it's probably something else to be honest, my firefox just kills my computer if there's anything like a moving image or anything like that |
| 10:01.46 | goibhniu | I guess things like .. only allowing ssh access via keys, using sudo, always going through one box to get to others ... that's what I'm thinking, things like that ... like what highbury talked about on saturday but with a bit more detail |
| 10:02.17 | wethrin | kerberised ssh! |
| 10:02.24 | wethrin | Or even kerberised telnet :) |
| 10:02.33 | goibhniu | does that mean you get acls and things like that? |
| 10:02.33 | bilarh | wethrin: heathen! |
| 10:02.42 | wethrin | what's wrong with kerberos? |
| 10:02.52 | bilarh | no not kerberos... telnet even with kerberos |
| 10:02.59 | wethrin | telnet over ssl? |
| 10:03.09 | bilarh | i hate telnet with a passion |
| 10:03.17 | bilarh | i might symlink /usr/bin/telnet to ssh :P |
| 10:03.19 | wethrin | If you can't trust your own internal network with telnet.....you really have some personnel issues |
| 10:03.29 | wethrin | highbury! |
| 10:03.30 | wethrin | LTNS! |
| 10:03.45 | jcookeman | telnet is the best protocol ever |
| 10:04.01 | bilarh | wethrin: hmm, i don't know... most attacks are internal, i reckon |
| 10:04.08 | highbury | telnet tool is very useful, the protocol sucks |
| 10:04.27 | highbury | then again it was designed for less paranoid times |
| 10:04.31 | jcookeman | I can agree with that |
| 10:04.41 | wethrin | bilarh: Then you definitely have personnel issues |
| 10:04.48 | wethrin | And you should shout at HR |
| 10:05.14 | bilarh | wethrin: well, the problem is... how would you know if someone was malicious... there's no way of telling if someone is sniffing, say... |
| 10:05.22 | bilarh | although it shouldn't be a problem with a switched network yadda yadda |
| 10:05.27 | wethrin | Fully switched network yada |
| 10:05.29 | highbury | btw. consider puppet as an alternative to cfengine, I have heard godd things about it |
| 10:05.49 | wethrin | Consider *anything* as an alternative to cfengine |
| 10:06.22 | highbury | lol |
| 10:06.40 | wethrin | BTW - thanks for standing in at the last minute |
| 10:07.13 | highbury | the phrase I recently heard was "I use puppet because cfengine used to make my eyes bleed!" |
| 10:07.26 | wethrin | heh |
| 10:07.31 | wethrin | That doesn't surprise me |
| 10:08.33 | highbury | but good change management/configuration management doesn't necessarily need such complex beasts, though I like to try using them properly in anger just to be sure |
| 10:09.11 | goibhniu | hi highbury, thanks for the talk on Saturday, really enjoyed it |
| 10:09.21 | highbury | mostly having a good "standard build" is provides the best initial win |
| 10:10.12 | highbury | my talk was cobbled together from several internal talks I gave at my last job |
| 10:10.28 | highbury | on the train from Didcot |
| 10:10.30 | goibhniu | I was looking for some more stuff on how to manage having multiple developers with access to a large number of machines |
| 10:10.57 | highbury | I decided it was worth the £5 upgrade to first class to be able to get it done |
| 10:11.19 | goibhniu | heh, nice .. do you get a power socket for that? |
| 10:11.41 | highbury | goibhniu: limit the developers to only be able to compile on specific machines |
| 10:12.27 | goibhniu | ideally all (the 10 developers or so) should have root access when they need it |
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| 10:12.45 | highbury | actually no power socket, but the cardiff train back had one in second class, but I was surrounded by drunk injured football fans, so I didn't use the laptop on the way home |
| 10:12.46 | goibhniu | on any of about 150 boxes |
| 10:13.04 | highbury | goibhniu: why do developers need root access ? |
| 10:13.23 | goibhniu | in case they need to install something |
| 10:13.59 | highbury | ahh the difference is between "something" and "anything" |
| 10:14.22 | goibhniu | well, anything I guess |
| 10:14.45 | highbury | then again you should have a separated "development" and "production" machines (with optional "testing" and "pre-production") |
| 10:15.45 | highbury | goibhniu: it really depends on the organisation, I might let developers have full access to their own machines, I would be hesitant to do so for any others |
| 10:16.21 | goibhniu | I'm mainly wondering about clever ways to manage the situation |
| 10:16.31 | goibhniu | maybe kerberos is worth a look |
| 10:16.41 | goibhniu | I'm a developer, so I don't know this stuff |
| 10:16.48 | goibhniu | I just get the feeling there must be a better way |
| 10:17.13 | goibhniu | heh .. fair enough |
| 10:17.20 | goibhniu | actually, I may suggest that |
| 10:17.21 | goibhniu | thanks |
| 10:17.33 | niv_one_three | I am all quite |
| 10:18.01 | niv_one_three | at what stage can the male expect the fmake to set plans? |
| 10:18.13 | niv_one_three | assuming she is a busy reporter? |
| 10:22.44 | highbury | fmake or female? |
| 10:23.01 | niv_one_three | female :-( |
| 10:25.21 | goibhniu | niv_one_three: this female is a reporter or manager? :P |
| 10:26.14 | niv_one_three | she is a busy female |
| 10:38.25 | keithlard_ | puppet++ |
| 10:41.26 | *** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ |
| 10:41.35 | wethrin | Doesn't highbury have ops on here anyway? |
| 10:41.49 | *** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG - http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk |
| 10:41.52 | *** mode/#gllug [-o wethrin] by wethrin |
| 10:42.05 | highbury | err, its so long since I've done any.... |
| 10:43.06 | wethrin | /msg chanserv op #gllug |
| 10:44.58 | goibhniu | niv_one_three: did you sort out your pcmcia issue the other day? |
| 10:45.25 | niv_one_three | no I didnt |
| 10:46.34 | goibhniu | :( |
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| 10:49.56 | bilarh | aaah ffs, i've had it.. i'm installing ubuntu |
| 10:50.43 | antiphase | Crazy foo' |
| 10:50.54 | bilarh | redhat as4.3 sucks |
| 10:52.03 | bilarh | it's not so much that it sucks usually, it's just that this setup we have here sucks |
| 10:52.07 | bilarh | old libs |
| 10:52.08 | bilarh | no way of upgrading |
| 10:52.10 | bilarh | etc etc |
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| 10:59.49 | keithlard_ | yay ubuntu |
| 11:00.35 | keithlard_ | goibhniu: we use a sudo-based setup where developers can run specific commands as root |
| 11:00.58 | keithlard_ | it's a little bit better than giving them the root account (in fact no one has the root account, and it's un-login-able) |
| 11:02.36 | goibhniu | keithlard, that sounds good, thanks ... do you know any easy way to manage who can log in where and when, and with what credentials? |
| 11:03.49 | goibhniu | something that would be spiffy is if you could login to "the system" with your own key ... and someone else could easily determine where you had access to .. on the fly |
| 11:05.46 | zmey_g | goibhniu: what about Access Control List? |
| 11:06.18 | keithlard_ | goibhniu: we have puppet set up so when it creates a machine, it adds accounts for specified users (eg all the sysadmins), each with an authorized_keys file that contains their own public key |
| 11:06.39 | keithlard_ | so they can ssh into the machine, then sudoers determines what commands they can run |
| 11:07.31 | keithlard_ | it doesn't determine things on the fly, but you can add a user to the 'production machines' class and have their account rolled out automagically by puppet |
| 11:08.00 | antiphase | Old skool. You should be using LDAP these days if you're hardcore |
| 11:08.03 | keithlard_ | join #puppet as there are lots of people there fanatically intrested in this type of thing :D |
| 11:08.19 | antiphase | Copying files around using SSH is so 1990s |
| 11:09.26 | goibhniu | smashing ... puppet and LDAP sound like solid recommendations |
| 11:09.31 | goibhniu | thanks |
| 11:11.19 | keithlard_ | there is a good wiki for puppet with lots of canned solutions for things like that |
| 11:23.27 | Cope | morning keithlard_ |
| 11:24.11 | keithlard_ | yo blood |
| 11:25.06 | keithlard_ | no one needs to see that |
| 11:25.21 | Cope | I've just realised ruby has an expect class |
| 11:27.12 | keithlard_ | full on |
| 12:03.02 | hali | jcookeman: you all set? :) |
| 12:07.46 | niv_one_three | well, you can't really trust any one in a firm you work at |
| 12:07.53 | niv_one_three | word is out that I bailing |
| 12:07.55 | niv_one_three | damn |
| 12:08.22 | Cope | as I was saying, niv_one_three is a complete cunt |
| 12:08.25 | Cope | oh... ooops |
| 12:09.09 | niv_one_three | sure is usefull I didnt take too many days off, so I may soon go |
| 12:09.23 | niv_one_three | err , office gosip |
| 12:10.49 | niv_one_three | problem here is that Intel bought DSPC so, when I apply for a intel job - I am not sure tho which intel it is :-( |
| 12:11.09 | niv_one_three | DSPC - cellular and wimax intel -chips |
| 12:11.57 | niv_one_three | by the way guys, will evolution eat up my cpu? |
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| 12:13.51 | keithlard_ | yes |
| 12:14.32 | keithlard_ | but what else are you going to use it for? |
| 12:15.48 | niv_one_three | I seek a PIM to tallk to my palm and google calender |
| 12:16.01 | niv_one_three | I did avoid evolution untill now |
| 12:32.33 | keithlard_ | i like evolution, i've switched to using gcal through the web interface though |
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| 12:39.18 | dick_turpin | bilarh: |
| 12:40.22 | niv_one_three | keithlard_: so evolution is the tool that talks to gcal . any other/ |
| 12:40.26 | niv_one_three | ? |
| 12:40.47 | niv_one_three | for the record female are complicated |
| 12:45.41 | bilarh | dick_turpin! |
| 12:48.22 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Me old mucker where you been? |
| 12:55.11 | bilarh | dick_turpin: done two weeks of porridge |
| 12:56.03 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Rotflmao, did you share a cell with 'Big Bubba'? |
| 12:56.19 | bilarh | dick_turpin: nah i went to a womens only prison |
| 12:56.33 | bilarh | Big Momma is quite scary too :-S |
| 12:57.23 | bilarh | nah i went to gran canaria for a week and then an oracle course for a week |
| 12:57.39 | bilarh | gran canaria is like going to sweden except it's warmer |
| 12:57.41 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Womens prison ay? still you got a face like a cu.. :-) |
| 12:57.48 | bilarh | bastard! |
| 12:57.57 | bilarh | five minutes I've been back and you're already insulting me |
| 12:58.14 | bilarh | i went to visit yo mum! |
| 12:58.46 | bilarh | but, and this gets on my goat, why is it all the women have their baps out on holiday |
| 12:58.50 | jcookeman | ewwwwwwwwww |
| 12:58.52 | bilarh | it was like boob overload |
| 12:58.59 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Couldn't help myself I have IRC tourettes |
| 12:59.01 | bilarh | i didn't know which pair to look at |
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| 12:59.37 | bilarh | luckily, i roped my wife into scouting for good pairs, so it made the 'beach surveillance task' a bit easier |
| 13:00.28 | jcookeman | hali: one hour yes? |
| 13:01.50 | bilarh | 30 kilos |
| 13:01.56 | bilarh | estimated |
| 13:03.16 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Are Stingrays on the endangered list? |
| 13:03.27 | bilarh | dick_turpin: not this particular type |
| 13:04.17 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Pity you could have joined my new club 'Eaten any endangered species lately' club |
| 13:05.04 | bilarh | eaten? we just clubbed it to death and left it to rot :P |
| 13:05.30 | bilarh | actually, we let it go again |
| 13:07.54 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Wimp! you should have dragged it up the beach and dumped it at your woman's feet proving your hunter skills |
| 13:08.40 | bilarh | hehe |
| 13:08.50 | bilarh | i'll see if i can get my mum to send me her pics |
| 13:08.57 | bilarh | of the stingray |
| 13:12.14 | highbury | gack! Gmail has locked my Firefox session in Windows yet again! Anybody know how I can force the Talkback add-in to try and feed back anything? As I have to kill off Firefox and only the Windows crash feedback detects things. |
| 13:13.47 | goibhniu | highbury: if you have it on .. try turning off the google chat thing |
| 13:14.31 | highbury | yeah, google chat/gmail/pigeon plugin don't play nice mostly |
| 13:15.06 | highbury | but it mostly seems to have happened since google tweaked gmail, but then again I do run a lot of firefox plugins |
| 13:16.13 | highbury | where do the mozilla chat rooms live now? |
| 13:16.36 | dick_turpin | bilarh: See if your kill had of been suitable the matriarc would have let you mate with some of the lower ranked females :-) |
| 13:17.25 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Oi |
| 13:17.57 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i like your thinking |
| 13:41.26 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: sup dawg |
| 13:42.56 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Aha! Are you any good at manipulating images? e.g. jpg's |
| 13:46.40 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: fair to middling |
| 13:47.24 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: is it slanderous? |
| 13:50.25 | bilarh | dick_turpin: do you want a 'face twirl' added on some images? ;-) |
| 13:54.08 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: bilarh Playing with an images that I'd like to use but it needs sorting out one sec and I'll up load them |
| 13:58.29 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: |
| 13:59.05 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: http://images.centrosales.co.uk/dick_turpin/mad-horsemanmontage.jpg |
| 14:01.53 | goibhniu | brb |
| 14:04.36 | boudiccas | morning |
| 14:05.12 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: hehe ... looks like fun |
| 14:05.15 | goibhniu | morning boudiccas |
| 14:05.31 | boudiccas | morning dick_turpin |
| 14:05.44 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: |
| 14:06.03 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; |
| 14:06.07 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: can you do anything with it though? |
| 14:06.25 | boudiccas | i'm no good with jpgs so dont aks me |
| 14:06.28 | boudiccas | *ask |
| 14:06.37 | boudiccas | snuff |
| 14:06.43 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: sure .. not now tho |
| 14:06.57 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: maybe this evening .. but not very likely |
| 14:08.25 | boudiccas | its cold today :( |
| 14:08.46 | boudiccas | ooh, the temperature has just reached 6'c!!!! |
| 14:11.34 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: As you can see I want a Mad dick_turpin |
| 14:12.14 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: The horse is fine, sort of, its the rider thats pants, still looks like a cowboy |
| 14:13.25 | boudiccas | needs a flowing balck cloak and a mask |
| 14:13.30 | boudiccas | *black |
| 14:13.47 | boudiccas | by the sound of it |
| 14:14.06 | goibhniu | how about a gimp workshop? |
| 14:14.16 | goibhniu | here ... at a certain time in the future? |
| 14:14.26 | boudiccas | sounds cool |
| 14:17.23 | bilarh | boudiccas! |
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| 14:18.12 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i don't understand what you're trying to achieve |
| 14:18.30 | boudiccas | bilarh! |
| 14:18.31 | bilarh | dick_turpin: and it looks like someone's photoshopped your image... |
| 14:18.52 | bilarh | dick_turpin: e.g look at the rider's hat and boots... don't look right imo |
| 14:19.11 | boudiccas | thats a point, i'd forgotten i can use photoshop under wine |
| 14:19.17 | goibhniu | boudiccas, dick_turpin (and anyone else): if you want to get the latest gimp installed, and then we'll figure out a time |
| 14:20.06 | boudiccas | goibhniu; i'll stick with what is shipped with Centos 5 thanks all the same. i dont like going above the specs if its avoidable |
| 14:20.41 | goibhniu | okie, cool |
| 14:25.52 | dick_turpin | Its a cut-n-paste of about 5 images, I'm currently working on it in Corel Paint shop |
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| 14:32.17 | bilarh | ok, now i'm seriously effing bored here |
| 14:32.27 | bilarh | only been back at work for 6 hours, what's going on? |
| 14:36.37 | boudiccas | not a lot bilarh |
| 14:37.06 | bilarh | same as here then |
| 14:39.46 | dick_turpin | I'm not bored :-) |
| 14:39.57 | bilarh | you're boring today! |
| 14:40.01 | bilarh | way off your usual form! |
| 14:40.10 | bilarh | where's the abuse i've been waiting *two* weeks for, eh!>??! |
| 14:40.22 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'll come and bore you in a sec !!! |
| 14:40.38 | dick_turpin | bore=drill |
| 14:40.43 | bilarh | anyone wanna abuse me a bit? |
| 14:40.56 | bilarh | ahem, not that kind of drilling |
| 14:41.08 | boudiccas | bilarh; sounds like an option not to be missed! |
| 14:41.22 | boudiccas | someone actually asking to be abused!!! |
| 14:41.32 | bilarh | lots of people do that in the weekends :P |
| 14:43.33 | dick_turpin | bilarh: you're a BBF |
| 14:43.51 | bilarh | bbf? |
| 14:43.52 | dick_turpin | Oops I mean BFF |
| 14:44.08 | dick_turpin | Bald Fat Fu.. |
| 14:44.36 | bilarh | hehe bastard |
| 14:45.16 | bilarh | should I install oracle |
| 14:45.23 | bilarh | or should I just go make a cup of coffee instead? |
| 14:45.41 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I'll have a coffe with you baaaldy |
| 14:45.52 | bilarh | slight problem, you're in scotland |
| 14:46.48 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Even you're geography is pants! Try the West Midlands you muppet |
| 14:46.56 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: http://images.centrosales.co.uk/dick_turpin/mad-horsemanmontage2.jpg |
| 14:46.56 | bilarh | that's close to scotland |
| 14:47.07 | boudiccas | so is france! |
| 14:47.51 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Yeah, right, France is closer than Scotland you nugget |
| 14:48.04 | bilarh | dick_turpin: that's the wrong way, though, bruv |
| 14:48.10 | bilarh | sorry, tho, |
| 14:48.11 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Great minds think alike |
| 14:48.16 | wethrin | dick_turpin: No it's not |
| 14:48.34 | dick_turpin | wethrin: baby I've got a present for you |
| 14:48.34 | wethrin | Scotland's only about an hour away by car |
| 14:48.41 | wethrin | yay? |
| 14:48.49 | dick_turpin | wethrin: 1 sec |
| 14:49.33 | dick_turpin | wethrin: www.GoToWebinar.co.uk |
| 14:49.46 | dick_turpin | wethrin: :-P |
| 14:49.55 | wethrin | Feck orff :-P |
| 14:50.10 | dick_turpin | wethrin: S'bit harsh :-( |
| 14:50.27 | wethrin | s'not. You're using the word 'webinar' |
| 14:50.54 | dick_turpin | wethrin: But I know you love them soooo much ;-) |
| 14:51.22 | wethrin | oi |
| 14:51.41 | dick_turpin | wethrin: And when I saw it I thought of you, I've been saving it for days |
| 14:52.39 | wethrin | dick_turpin: http://www.isitchristmas.com |
| 14:54.34 | dick_turpin | wethrin: It must be broken, the link fails in good old IE7 |
| 14:54.44 | wethrin | Is appears to work for goibhniu |
| 14:55.45 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I'm getting it now |
| 14:56.07 | wethrin | Your IE was broken |
| 14:56.08 | wethrin | PFI |
| 14:56.55 | goibhniu | ~wtf pfi |
| 14:57.03 | wethrin | Please Fix It |
| 14:57.17 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I just know every god dam day its gonna say NO then on Christmas day it'll say bloody YES |
| 14:57.24 | goibhniu | yeah dick_turpin .. fix it! ... the rest of the internet is broken in IE7 too btw |
| 14:57.55 | dick_turpin | smiles |
| 14:58.17 | bilarh | i need a good project |
| 14:58.20 | bilarh | that involves oracle |
| 14:59.13 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Collate how many endangered species there's left for us to eat |
| 14:59.42 | bilarh | dick_turpin: great idea... maybe an 'endangered species' site combined with lesbian porn... |
| 15:00.19 | dick_turpin | ibot: hit bilarh with a stick for being sick |
| 15:00.19 | ibot | ACTION hits bilarh with a stick for being sick |
| 15:00.38 | bilarh | actually, i probably best not go any further with this idea in case i offend somethign |
| 15:00.51 | bilarh | i mean someone |
| 15:01.04 | wethrin | people are too quick to be offended |
| 15:01.05 | wethrin | fuck'em |
| 15:01.17 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I'm offended |
| 15:01.25 | wethrin | Bite me :-P |
| 15:01.34 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Roar |
| 15:01.38 | wethrin | hah |
| 15:03.14 | dick_turpin | wethrin: euw you're arse is tough, must be coz you're sat on your bum all day |
| 15:03.31 | bilarh | why the hell does the mozilla foundation chief executive earn half a million dollars a year |
| 15:03.33 | wethrin | heh |
| 15:03.41 | wethrin | because he's worth it! |
| 15:03.43 | bilarh | isnt' it supposed to be a community project, for gaawds sake |
| 15:03.58 | bilarh | wethrin: all he's ever done for me is bloat my favourite browser |
| 15:04.15 | wethrin | But all web browsers suck! |
| 15:04.18 | bilarh | 70 million in assets, and they gave out grants of less than 300000 last year |
| 15:05.11 | antiphase | Decent software isn't free. Just look at Openoffice ;) |
| 15:06.54 | wethrin | Yeah. Hardly decent :) |
| 15:09.44 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Time Trials. Seem The Mepis one? F8 installed may do trial tonight |
| 15:10.15 | boudiccas | antiphase; but i like OOo |
| 15:15.43 | antiphase | That doesn't mean it's good. I like Firefox, and I don't care that someone gets paid lots of money to ensure I have a working 'web browser |
| 15:16.41 | antiphase | The "everything totally free" philosophy seems to have an overdependence on clever people giving themselves up for nothing, which seems to happen less frequently than one might hope |
| 15:16.43 | boudiccas | true |
| 15:17.10 | boudiccas | is it time to go home yet? |
| 15:17.13 | antiphase | One has to eat, after all. That said, you can buy a shit load of bread and cheese for half a million quid a year |
| 15:17.17 | boudiccas | i want to hibernate |
| 15:18.03 | bilarh | it was a half a million dollars, but still |
| 15:19.02 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Nearly as much as I earn then :-) |
| 15:21.51 | Leeds | arse |
| 15:24.29 | bilarh | that's about the same i've earnt over my whole professional career, i think |
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| 15:46.40 | antiphase | Schinker appears to have re-surfaced after a pleasing hiatus |
| 15:49.16 | wethrin | Yes |
| 15:52.38 | wethrin | But it's fun to batter some clue into him at times |
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| 16:01.02 | bilarh | i'm actually so bored i've resorted to facebooking :( |
| 16:03.00 | keithlard_ | no! |
| 16:05.34 | hali | bilarh: did you reply to bacon on fb? |
| 16:09.04 | wethrin | mmm....facebok |
| 16:11.33 | keithlard_ | leechblock. fight the power! |
| 16:12.51 | wethrin | EBORED |
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| 16:43.40 | bilarh | reply to what? |
| 16:44.01 | bilarh | aha, jo, alldeles nyss |
| 16:49.01 | hali | bilarh: any plans to come up to central? |
| 16:49.22 | bilarh | hmm, stupidly busy this week |
| 16:49.45 | bilarh | got a uni assignment due on thursday, two training sessions before thursday as well and then a seminar for the whole weekend |
| 16:50.00 | bilarh | sometime next week should be possible :) |
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| 18:27.38 | highbury | ahh that feels better now I'm using xchat on openSUSE rather than pidge(0)n on Windows XP |
| 18:28.28 | highbury | and now these new-fangled distro's support properly ntfs, lets see how long I can stay in Linux :-) |
| 18:30.56 | cpufreak | anyone on a windows box with fast (>10mbit/sec) upload? |
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| 19:11.30 | z00dax | cpufreak: 0^o uploads ? |
| 19:27.01 | cpufreak | z00dax: r. need someone to test the changes I've made to winscp :) |
| 19:27.46 | z00dax | tell you what - a windoze machine with 10meg uplink == juice target for the spammers |
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| 19:30.16 | cpufreak | heh |
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| 21:04.51 | rhowe | whee |
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| 22:00.04 | wethrin | rhowe_! |
| 22:00.10 | wethrin | Have you got internet yet? |
| 22:03.19 | z00dax | (internet)++ |
| 22:05.33 | wethrin | The internets! |
| 22:05.37 | wethrin | Ahh, a z00dax! |
| 22:06.04 | wethrin | Any chance I could get some method of modifying the Gllug website? |
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| 22:09.02 | z00dax | i dont know |
| 22:09.08 | z00dax | i dont have that level of access, i dont think |
| 22:09.15 | wethrin | Ah |
| 22:09.33 | wethrin | agk sent me a PGP-encrypted one. Unfortunately, I don't have that key any more |
| 22:09.50 | wethrin | morsing asked if you could remove him from the IRC-faces page |
| 22:11.38 | etorix | he got the hump |
| 22:11.47 | rhowe_ | wethrin: Sorta |
| 22:11.53 | rhowe_ | wethrin: It's held together with pieces of string |
| 22:11.58 | etorix | when it was pointed out that he wasnt running linux |
| 22:13.00 | wethrin | I'm not running Linux ATM |
| 22:13.19 | wethrin | rhowe_: Is it Jason-supplied string? |
| 22:13.29 | Cope | evening |
| 22:14.02 | Discordian | Morsing's attitude that AIX is better and not googling stuff first is what upsets me |
| 22:14.10 | Discordian | Oh and that bloody bot |
| 22:15.53 | rhowe_ | wethrin: Yep |
| 22:15.57 | wethrin | AIX is better, for some things |
| 22:15.59 | rhowe_ | wethrin: And Theo-supplied |
| 22:16.14 | wethrin | Yay for Theo! |
| 22:16.30 | wethrin | He can dry a wet string |
| 22:18.56 | rhowe_ | With vitriol? |
| 22:19.57 | wethrin | Any sort of oil ;) |
| 22:20.53 | wethrin | in fact, oil of vitriol is a very good drying agent |
| 22:21.14 | Discordian | Conc SO4? |
| 22:21.48 | Discordian | errr H2SO4 |
| 22:22.45 | wethrin | aye |
| 22:23.03 | Discordian | It's a tad corrosive too |
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| 22:28.17 | wethrin | a little bit |
| 22:29.29 | Discordian | Foaming H2S04 will attack most stuff |
| 22:31.37 | wethrin | Piranha mix is stronger |
| 22:32.48 | Discordian | Foaming sulphuric and nitric? |
| 22:33.07 | wethrin | Nah. H2SO4 and H2O2 |
| 22:33.13 | Discordian | ahhh |
| 22:33.22 | Discordian | That woujldn |
| 22:33.36 | Discordian | That wouldn't touch gold |
| 22:33.54 | wethrin | No, it's HCl/HNO3 that dissolves gold |
| 22:34.11 | wethrin | Aqua Regia |
| 22:36.07 | wethrin | It's what garden sheds are for! |
| 22:36.22 | Discordian | It was in the garden shed |
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