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| 06:09.00 | mumper | Morning peeps! :) |
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| 09:14.25 | bilarh | who wears contacts? |
| 09:14.42 | bilarh | thinking of getting some, but i don't know if i can bear poking myself in the eye |
| 09:15.40 | Armand | I've used some.. hated them. |
| 09:15.54 | bilarh | did you use daily ones? |
| 09:29.22 | Armand | Think so.. |
| 09:29.29 | Armand | Was a couple of years ago. |
| 09:29.35 | bilarh | ah ok |
| 09:29.53 | Armand | Promptly went back to my glasses. |
| 09:36.46 | bilarh | hmm |
| 09:36.53 | bilarh | but glasses suck... |
| 09:36.58 | bilarh | i get marks on my nose from them |
| 09:37.15 | bilarh | i'm just too vain :) |
| 09:39.27 | Armand | same here, just as well I don't *need* them. :) |
| 09:40.12 | bilarh | i dont' need glasses normally, it just makes it easier to see what is on the screen |
| 09:41.42 | Armand | I'm short-sighted, so I would only need them for driving. |
| 09:42.01 | bilarh | ah... i'm stigmatic apparently :) |
| 09:42.04 | bilarh | whatever that means |
| 09:42.09 | bilarh | apparently my eyes are the shape of eggs |
| 09:42.14 | Armand | Ahh. |
| 09:42.27 | Armand | Makes you long-sighted. |
| 09:42.38 | bilarh | what does that mean then? |
| 09:42.41 | Armand | You can see ok at distance, just not close up? |
| 09:42.51 | bilarh | hmm |
| 09:42.57 | bilarh | no |
| 09:43.23 | bilarh | if i look into the distance at, say a telephone mast... i can see the line clearly with my glasse |
| 09:43.26 | bilarh | s |
| 09:43.31 | bilarh | but if i take them off, it becomes blurred |
| 09:43.44 | Armand | Ahh, so borked all-round then? |
| 09:43.44 | bilarh | but the same happens up close too |
| 09:43.51 | bilarh | pretty much :P |
| 09:43.58 | Armand | general fuckeries then. :( |
| 09:44.08 | bilarh | -0.75 i think my prescription was |
| 09:44.32 | Armand | Can't remember mine. |
| 09:44.34 | bilarh | my glasses are interesting actually... they stretch everything out horizontally but do very little vertically |
| 09:44.40 | Armand | O_o |
| 09:44.53 | bilarh | which makes everyone look wide and short :D |
| 09:45.01 | Armand | lol |
| 09:49.33 | keithlard_ | bilarh: i have contacts, and love 'em! :) |
| 09:50.07 | bilarh | keithlard: many people seem to like them, ye |
| 09:50.08 | bilarh | s |
| 09:50.25 | keithlard_ | i was quite doubtful for many years but thought i'd give em a try |
| 09:51.04 | keithlard_ | at first i did find it quite difficult to put them in and out, but after a couple of weeks i got the knack and now it's super easy :) |
| 09:51.14 | keithlard_ | and SO much better than glasses |
| 09:51.35 | bilarh | i need to sort out an appointment at the opticians |
| 09:51.40 | bilarh | who do you use for your lenses? |
| 09:52.19 | keithlard_ | my opticians gave me varilux lenses... they're quite good... works out about £20 a month if you buy 3 month's worth |
| 09:53.33 | keithlard_ | yes, the opticians should do your eye test and then give you a masterclass in how to put them in |
| 09:54.09 | bilarh | 'varilux' hehe :D |
| 09:54.35 | bilarh | do you have to pay for the eye test and masterclass? |
| 09:57.47 | keithlard_ | yes but it is not very much |
| 09:58.36 | keithlard_ | i think i was put off contacts for years by the thought of having to constantly look after them, cleaning solutions ekcetera |
| 09:58.58 | keithlard_ | disposable lenses seemed awfully wasteful... but they are only a little slip of plastic really |
| 09:59.15 | keithlard_ | and zero maintenance - put em in, take em out, chuck em in the bin |
| 09:59.23 | bilarh | ah, i like the sound of that :D |
| 09:59.33 | keithlard_ | in conclusion, then, contact lenses - it's the way of the future :D |
| 10:00.40 | bilarh | yes... |
| 10:00.53 | bilarh | now i just need to find 10 minutes to go to the opticians in the weekend |
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| 11:16.21 | bilarh | i went out for a run yesterday |
| 11:16.34 | bilarh | my legs are giving me a right telling off today |
| 11:16.39 | Armand | I bet.. |
| 11:16.40 | wethrin | harr |
| 11:16.45 | boudiccas | lol |
| 11:17.23 | bilarh | and it was only about 3500 yards as well |
| 11:17.25 | bilarh | oh well |
| 11:17.34 | bilarh | i might start going out for a run in the mornings instead |
| 11:18.04 | bilarh | i'm confident i wont have trouble getting up at 5am to go for a run :P |
| 11:19.58 | boudiccas | is this before sleep or after sleep bilarh ??? :) |
| 11:20.05 | bilarh | after |
| 11:20.27 | bilarh | but in practice, i'm in slumber mode from when i walk through the office doors to when i leave :P |
| 11:28.25 | bilarh | i want to start running more actually |
| 11:28.31 | bilarh | i've never been any good at it at all |
| 11:28.39 | bilarh | even when i was a strapping fit lad in my early 20's |
| 11:31.43 | boudiccas | the zen of running comes through practise |
| 11:32.08 | bilarh | yeah probably |
| 11:32.25 | bilarh | i think i just never got around to it because i used to be the fatty that got picked last every time in school sports :-) |
| 11:32.38 | bilarh | and then it sort of put me off running becuase that was my worst 'discipline' |
| 11:33.40 | bilarh | i used to do a lot of cycling though, like the 200 mile cycle race we do every year in sweden wasn't a problem for a couple of years |
| 11:33.45 | bilarh | but i still could not run to save my life |
| 11:34.01 | bilarh | i'm gonna give it a proper go this time if my knees hold up |
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| 11:41.42 | zmey_g | bilarh: you will destroy your knee joints. do something else like static exercises. |
| 11:47.54 | bilarh | zmey_g: but lots of people run quite successfully, so it can't be *that* bad |
| 11:50.13 | zmey_g | bilarh: i saw your shape at the last gllug and i don't think a run will do you any good. |
| 11:50.57 | bilarh | i wasn't even at the last gllug :P |
| 11:51.11 | zmey_g | apologies |
| 11:51.17 | zmey_g | than run |
| 11:51.20 | bilarh | but it's probably true that i have a bit of excess weight, so i will take it easy :) |
| 11:51.31 | Leeds | you could be thinking of me, but I haven't been to gllug in years... |
| 11:51.37 | bilarh | my excess weight is all muscles (of course) :) |
| 11:51.49 | bilarh | to be honest, i probably should take it really easy... i'm almost 110kg |
| 11:52.43 | zmey_g | Leeds: i saw your photo at gllug faces. :) don't think i could've mix you up with anybody :) |
| 11:53.12 | Leeds | zmey_g: I believe you - that fact has an odd effect on my life |
| 11:54.43 | zmey_g | i believe that photo been taken after really successful event |
| 11:55.50 | Leeds | for some reason, I am very recognisable |
| 11:56.10 | Leeds | I get apparent strangers coming up to me in the street and reminding me that I met them once at a party a year ago |
| 11:56.31 | zmey_g | this is bad. you will never be a spy, like me. |
| 11:56.49 | Leeds | spies like us? |
| 11:57.13 | zmey_g | handshake |
| 11:58.11 | Leeds | uh? |
| 12:05.12 | highbury | hey Leeds still in HK? |
| 12:05.29 | Leeds | highbury: yup |
| 12:05.38 | Leeds | long time no see... how's life? |
| 12:06.37 | highbury | decided to quit my job here in Oxfordshire, but am probably still staying living round here. |
| 12:07.41 | highbury | I now live out in the Country, with 2hrs between buses, and 10 miles to nearest supermarket |
| 12:08.03 | Leeds | each to their own... |
| 12:08.15 | highbury | What you doing now, your not working for your cousins? |
| 12:08.22 | Leeds | I live on the 4th floor of a 26-floor building about 15 minutes walk from the centre of town |
| 12:08.29 | Leeds | got a new job 6 months ago |
| 12:09.48 | Leeds | and there are 3 supermarkets within about 5 minutes walk :-) |
| 12:10.31 | Leeds | so you'd be looking for remote, from-home work? |
| 12:12.04 | highbury | either teleworking, or something in the Newbury/Swindon/Oxford/Reading area |
| 12:13.32 | Leeds | any other new and exciting life news? |
| 12:18.46 | highbury | My son Toren is now 4, my wife Donna got her masters in Information Security from Westminster, we've just sold my old flat in Highbury. Prices out here are no different from London |
| 12:21.39 | Leeds | uh, that's renter... |
| 12:21.48 | Leeds | also, single |
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| 12:55.23 | bilarh | aha, dick turpin is back! |
| 12:55.45 | bilarh | so, my foe, how are you this freezing, grey afternoon |
| 12:56.11 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Its sort of sunny here in the Midlands |
| 12:56.47 | bilarh | you dispiccable bastard |
| 12:57.23 | bilarh | it's not actually raining here, so the greyness may be down to a burning bus or something |
| 12:57.28 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I know, but aren't you upset at us having reasonable weather? |
| 12:57.47 | dick_turpin | Armand: :-) |
| 12:58.11 | Armand | ^_^ |
| 12:58.35 | bilarh | dick_turpin: not really... i've just been waiting all day to use the word 'despicable' :) |
| 12:58.49 | bilarh | and i daren't use it on anyone but your good self |
| 12:59.03 | bilarh | send them the invoice before they notice |
| 12:59.42 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Na promising install 1st thing tomorrow, kit will not arrive here until dinner time |
| 13:00.14 | bilarh | ouch, that's a crap lie... too short time span for the customer to forget / hacking their email system and planting messages |
| 13:01.30 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Na I'm the master at platitudes, I'll just blag him |
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| 13:06.21 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: http://images.centrosales.co.uk/dick_turpin/mad-horsemanmontage3.jpg |
| 13:07.18 | hali | hm, better go make good of my day off, tate brittan and wallace collection it is |
| 13:09.01 | bilarh | isn't tate a bit too communist for you? |
| 13:09.11 | bilarh | you know what those bloody artists are like... |
| 13:09.16 | bilarh | most of them are poor communists |
| 13:14.23 | hali | bilarh: tate brittan, you can't more aristocracy |
| 13:14.27 | hali | not tate modern |
| 13:14.39 | hali | can't get* |
| 13:16.29 | hali | and wallace is conveniently located so i can have a burrito for late lunch :P |
| 13:16.36 | goibhniu | you should be ok either way, they're all funded by large oil companies |
| 13:16.41 | goibhniu | dick_turpin! |
| 13:16.47 | hali | i don't mind oil companies |
| 13:16.50 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: http://images.centrosales.co.uk/dick_turpin/mad-horsemanmontage3.jpg |
| 13:16.52 | hali | oil is good |
| 13:16.56 | bilarh | goibhniu: really? |
| 13:17.01 | hali | using too much oil is bad |
| 13:17.13 | hali | but oil itself, not so much |
| 13:17.14 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: nice :D |
| 13:17.46 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I just need to fix the pink arm and tidy things up |
| 13:18.04 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Then reduce the size |
| 13:18.38 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: it looks very good .. but a little grainy in places |
| 13:18.54 | goibhniu | maybe just reducing the colours would help |
| 13:19.39 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yeah, I'm rubbish at graphics I just paste bits on (As you can see) and build up what I want that way |
| 13:19.46 | goibhniu | or you could try tracing it in inkscape and colouring it in .. to make it very flat and cartoony |
| 13:19.52 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: good job though |
| 13:20.15 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Next project/discussion |
| 13:20.47 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I broke the time trial page have a new one but that's a bit frigged too |
| 13:21.44 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: http://www.cannon-linux.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=115 |
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| 13:27.10 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: nice ... still no arch :( |
| 13:27.51 | goibhniu | I wonder how suse does that though ... letting you log in after 4 seconds .. it's pretty cool |
| 13:28.10 | goibhniu | btw I listened to the last lugradio ... really enjoyed it |
| 13:28.28 | goibhniu | I thought their distro round-up was pretty fair |
| 13:28.38 | goibhniu | and it reminded me how good mandriva really is |
| 13:29.07 | goibhniu | I still believe they have the most comprehensive set of gui tools for configuring your system |
| 13:29.27 | goibhniu | and hence is still the best noob distro |
| 13:33.50 | highbury | hey guys, anybody remember the name of the little nano-itx box Phil Hands was showing round the pub at the weekend? |
| 13:37.30 | jcookeman | ladies and gentlemen, I had a drive fail in an HP blade this morning. the drives are mirrored, but my ext3 file system went to read only. We're using LVM. Anyone seen something like this before. It's not what we've encountered previously. |
| 13:43.42 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I hung out with Adam and Chris from LugRadio last Wednesday, I tried to buy some bleach which I intended make Aq drink |
| 13:44.07 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Due to the horrid things he said about openSUSE |
| 13:45.08 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Adam felt a little guilty over his Mandriva trial seeing as he didn't have the right one |
| 13:45.52 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Plus Jono's home network is crap so the updates IP addressing ect was awful |
| 13:48.41 | goibhniu | still, it was a fairly decent review IMO |
| 13:56.47 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Oh god yeah I said to Chris Proctor how it was weird that everyone was currently doing reviews, of course I thought of it 1st everyone is just copying me :-) |
| 13:58.14 | goibhniu | heh |
| 13:59.07 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I installed ArchLinux last night but its fecked for some reason will have another go tonight |
| 13:59.51 | goibhniu | what happened with it this time? |
| 14:00.26 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Supposedly installed fine, booted--grub--fell over |
| 14:01.00 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Unable to locate /dev/sda3 which is wrong as thats /swap |
| 14:01.43 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Mind you there is a cool feature Id not seen before |
| 14:02.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Drops you to a terminal, not sure what you are supposed to do with it |
| 14:02.12 | goibhniu | grub? |
| 14:02.21 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Normally you'd get a kernel panic |
| 14:02.28 | goibhniu | you should be able to hit e in grub .. to edit that line |
| 14:03.00 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Way ahead of you, quickly tried that /dev/sda2 ---> fell over :-( |
| 14:03.40 | goibhniu | oh .. it booted a bit .. then it freaked out and dropped you to a terminal |
| 14:03.54 | goibhniu | I've seen that before with arch after an update |
| 14:04.16 | goibhniu | did you update after installing it? |
| 14:04.20 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yeah, its so bleedin fast you cant read what its doing |
| 14:04.42 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: No 1st login |
| 14:04.49 | goibhniu | yeiks |
| 14:05.11 | goibhniu | what do the forums say? |
| 14:05.20 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I think I'll do a proper wipe of the drive then install again |
| 14:06.04 | goibhniu | that's one nice thing anyway .. a complete reinstall won't take long |
| 14:06.15 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: The terminal says something about delay=8 as a kerenel paramiter |
| 14:07.38 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Have you seen this http://phraktured.net/arch-way.html it encompasses what I've been saying about Arch |
| 14:09.16 | goibhniu | "We can't help you. Yes this is a philosophical point. Every Arch user is expected to be able to help themselves" :D |
| 14:10.47 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You get more pleasure out of taming a bitch ;-) |
| 14:11.29 | goibhniu | !? |
| 14:14.24 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: We're all getting used to easy installs, out-of-the-box working stuff, the odd failure brings you back down to earth |
| 14:15.13 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: After listening to LO (Linux Outlaws) I thinking of having a go at Slackware thats supposed to be pure evil |
| 14:20.18 | goibhniu | I guess a lot of how you get along with slackware depends on the package manager you choose (assuming you choose one) |
| 14:20.31 | goibhniu | I like the idea of only using vanilla packages though |
| 14:21.33 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I wet my pants about the updating procedure. There ain't one! Apparently you have to subscribe to a mailer |
| 14:22.11 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: That informs you of one, go and download it, then compile everything for the one updated package |
| 14:22.20 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Now thats evil |
| 14:26.09 | wethrin | Slackware's lovely |
| 14:26.14 | jcookeman | slackware still going strong? |
| 14:26.27 | wethrin | Strong is a relative term |
| 14:26.48 | wethrin | 12.0 was released on 2007-07-02 |
| 14:27.00 | jcookeman | I thought the main guy behind that was not doing so well these days |
| 14:27.11 | jcookeman | Pat? |
| 14:27.12 | wethrin | He was seriously ill for a while, but then got better |
| 14:27.14 | wethrin | aye |
| 14:27.18 | jcookeman | good stuff |
| 14:27.23 | jcookeman | I used to like slack myself |
| 14:27.25 | jcookeman | very pure |
| 14:27.40 | wethrin | I like the BSD init stuff myself |
| 14:29.09 | antiphase | EVeryone else is ditching init in favour of some crazy new shit |
| 14:29.20 | wethrin | Yes, which is XML based! |
| 14:29.23 | wethrin | So it must be better. |
| 14:29.42 | jcookeman | :D |
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| 14:29.56 | antiphase | It would be som much easier if everyone just used Solaris 10 |
| 14:31.26 | wethrin | OMG! This is a LINUX CHANNEL! And you're talking about SOLARIS!!! |
| 14:31.30 | wethrin | OH NOES!!!! |
| 14:31.55 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: but afaik you can also use a selection of package managers that will do that for you |
| 14:32.06 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Have you run Slack for long then? |
| 14:32.09 | antiphase | At least we don't have Cosmicperl |
| 14:32.58 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Hows that work then given what LO was saying re notifications? |
| 14:33.03 | wethrin | antiphase: Cosmicperl? |
| 14:33.34 | wethrin | dick_turpin: Some of my servers currently have Debian on them. But I had run Slackware for some time |
| 14:33.43 | antiphase | A delightful chap that has been posting recently to BBLUG and london.pm mailing lists, and generally pissing everyone off whilst remaining oblivious to his impact |
| 14:34.01 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I believe it's just that it doesn't "impose" a package manager on you ... so by default that's what you do, but you can use them if you want |
| 14:34.36 | wethrin | antiphase: Oh, Lyle |
| 14:34.56 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Interesting, I had this vision of some secret repo location that only the chosen few could gain entry too |
| 14:34.59 | wethrin | Slackware is very much a do-it-yourself distro |
| 14:35.06 | wethrin | That encourages knowing what you're doing |
| 14:35.23 | dick_turpin | wethrin: That rules me out then :-P |
| 14:35.26 | antiphase | I learnt my mad skillz on Slackware back in the day |
| 14:35.27 | wethrin | heh |
| 14:35.34 | wethrin | Slackware makes one a better admin! |
| 14:35.58 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I'd be happy being a better user |
| 14:36.18 | wethrin | You seem to need better admins, though |
| 14:36.55 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Are you refering to the CNAME thing? |
| 14:37.11 | wethrin | yes |
| 14:37.29 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Got a better one for you then, Ready? |
| 14:37.39 | jcookeman | is this dailywtf? |
| 14:39.06 | dick_turpin | wethrin: How about DNS running but no DNS entry file as its been deleted so no email or websites |
| 14:39.33 | wethrin | boom! |
| 14:39.39 | wethrin | Why did they not put a zone file in? |
| 14:39.49 | wethrin | jcookeman: No, sadly |
| 14:39.56 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Hang on it gets better |
| 14:39.58 | antiphase | Too busy sweeping streets or collecting refuse, I'd surmise |
| 14:40.32 | dick_turpin | wethrin: There's a backup server and the same file was deleted from there too |
| 14:40.43 | wethrin | ow |
| 14:41.19 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Monday morning the phones are burning hot!! |
| 14:41.51 | wethrin | mm |
| 14:42.37 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Of course its all this scripts fault, its supposed to write new entry files every 6 hours |
| 14:42.49 | wethrin | But it broke? |
| 14:42.52 | dick_turpin | wethrin: But deletes the old one 1st??? |
| 14:42.53 | wethrin | And they didn't bother checking? |
| 14:43.17 | wethrin | Create new one, then overwrite old one. Then reload named |
| 14:43.19 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Come on have a heart these are professionals |
| 14:43.42 | wethrin | Yeah. I have more professionalism in my arse |
| 14:43.45 | antiphase | They should have parts of their anatomy removed for non-atomic file replacement crimes like that |
| 14:44.06 | wethrin | And why does you DNS need to update every 6 hours? |
| 14:44.06 | antiphase | Then thrown down a mine shaft filled with crocodiles |
| 14:44.12 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Ooh you horrid man (Snigger) |
| 14:44.27 | wethrin | :) |
| 14:45.49 | dick_turpin | wethrin: If you keep on being horrid I won't give you anymore company cock-up secrets to laugh at ;-) |
| 14:46.04 | wethrin | awwwww |
| 14:46.05 | wethrin | Please? |
| 14:46.57 | dick_turpin | wethrin: How about a 20 minute fault call about a locked up windows machine? theres a funny twist at the end |
| 14:47.07 | wethrin | The machine wasn't really locked up? |
| 14:47.21 | dick_turpin | wethrin: No, its to do with power |
| 14:47.44 | wethrin | There was no power? |
| 14:48.01 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Customer kept insisting the green light was on on the keyboard |
| 14:48.18 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Even after unplugging from the wall |
| 14:48.35 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Engineer dispatched with power supply |
| 14:48.47 | dick_turpin | wethrin: What was it? |
| 14:48.57 | dick_turpin | wethrin: An effing Laptop!!! |
| 14:48.58 | Armand | blow fuse.. ? |
| 14:49.03 | Armand | lol |
| 14:49.37 | Armand | "Yeah, here ya go.. Tagan 580WattWHAAAT!!" |
| 14:50.12 | dick_turpin | We provde Professional IT service :-) |
| 14:54.05 | antiphase | What's that in English? |
| 14:54.27 | antiphase | IT services to professionals, or "professionals" providing IT service? |
| 14:54.58 | dick_turpin | antiphase: Apparently neither :-) |
| 14:57.09 | bilarh | dick_turpin: lol, great story |
| 14:57.32 | bilarh | is it really true? |
| 14:57.42 | dick_turpin | bilarh: The shame is they are true |
| 14:58.19 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I have no need to tell porky pies, you get found out in the end anyway |
| 15:00.02 | bilarh | but i haven't told any |
| 15:00.05 | bilarh | lately |
| 15:00.38 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I meant me you muppet |
| 15:00.50 | bilarh | you haven't told any lately either? |
| 15:00.58 | bilarh | you're a sales persobn |
| 15:01.04 | bilarh | you're hard wired to lie |
| 15:01.16 | bilarh | feck me it's cold in the office |
| 15:01.22 | bilarh | i have to sit here tapping my feet to stop them freezing |
| 15:01.47 | bilarh | i might have to make some business in the server room so i can stand in front of the hot rack |
| 15:02.15 | bilarh | *snigger snigger* |
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| 15:16.16 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Salesmen don't lie they just embellish the truth a little |
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| 15:19.30 | wethrin | Boh! |
| 15:22.13 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I see your Boh and raise you a Pah! |
| 15:22.38 | dick_turpin | Tea anyone? |
| 15:23.13 | antiphase | r |
| 15:23.52 | dick_turpin | Kettles on |
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| 15:25.24 | wethrin | Tea please |
| 15:26.14 | dick_turpin | Sugar? |
| 15:26.19 | wethrin | no thanks |
| 15:26.34 | wethrin | The correct order is: "Milk? One lump or two? Sugar?" |
| 15:28.28 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I used to work in the tea trade, I worked for Pearse Lakeman 1 church entry Blackfriars opposite St Pauls |
| 15:28.47 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Then Gow White in petticoat Lane |
| 15:28.53 | wethrin | I don't know them |
| 15:29.01 | wethrin | Ahh....so you'd be providing good tea, then? |
| 15:31.55 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Long time ago, but I still remember the auctions at Lower Thames St |
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| 16:19.56 | jcookeman | what's the max sustained throughput you guys normally see through gig-e? |
| 16:20.47 | antiphase | As much as your disks can do |
| 16:21.17 | antiphase | It's not fundamentally limited by anything else if you have a decent NIC |
| 16:21.28 | jcookeman | I check our netapp and see 120 mbits/sec seems to be the cap |
| 16:22.13 | antiphase | I'd check the CPU usage and disk utilisation of it, assuming that you are actually requesting more data than that |
| 16:22.28 | jcookeman | well that's a bulk transfer |
| 16:23.13 | antiphase | Are you feeding /dev/null or doing something else with the data? |
| 16:23.25 | jcookeman | Oracle dump and an rsync |
| 16:23.41 | jcookeman | two different servers with gig-e and etherchannel to the netapp |
| 16:23.50 | jcookeman | it should be wide open |
| 16:24.28 | cpufreak | jcookeman: 124.9MB/s here. |
| 16:24.37 | jcookeman | ok |
| 16:24.37 | cpufreak | over DDR infiniband, 990MB/s |
| 16:24.43 | antiphase | Heh |
| 16:24.47 | cpufreak | *_* |
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| 16:24.52 | Cope | hi LeedsHK |
| 16:25.38 | jcookeman | that's what I figured |
| 16:25.41 | jcookeman | I've read similar reports |
| 16:27.33 | antiphase | If you just threw some servers and software together there's no guarantee you'll get best performance out of it, of course ;) |
| 16:27.45 | jcookeman | well it's not just thrown together |
| 16:27.56 | jcookeman | we're using the recommended NFS settings from Netall |
| 16:27.58 | jcookeman | Netapp |
| 16:28.09 | jcookeman | however, we haven't done any TCP tuning yet |
| 16:28.11 | antiphase | Ha, you didn't mention that it's NFS |
| 16:28.16 | antiphase | No wonder it's slow |
| 16:28.23 | jcookeman | okie dokie |
| 16:28.28 | jcookeman | What else would it be? |
| 16:28.50 | antiphase | Not sure, I associated Netapp with DA for some reason |
| 16:29.18 | cpufreak | which netapp are you running? |
| 16:29.23 | jcookeman | 3020 |
| 16:29.26 | cpufreak | ick |
| 16:29.31 | cpufreak | they run out of cpu really quickly |
| 16:29.36 | cpufreak | can you run a sysstat -x 2 |
| 16:29.42 | cpufreak | whilst the copy is running |
| 16:29.45 | cpufreak | and paste it to me |
| 16:29.46 | cpufreak | or something |
| 16:29.48 | antiphase | There's not much TCP tuning you can do for low b/w delay product links afaik |
| 16:29.55 | cpufreak | indeed ant |
| 16:30.17 | cpufreak | how many shelves do you have on the netapp? |
| 16:30.23 | jcookeman | a lot |
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| 16:30.55 | cpufreak | Ok |
| 16:30.55 | LeedsHK | Cope: for some reason, people have a real problem with this: |
| 16:31.00 | LeedsHK | "let me know more of their requirements, what apps, where do they want the bandwidth to be reliable for? " |
| 16:31.01 | cpufreak | so the netapp is basically idle |
| 16:31.11 | jcookeman | yes |
| 16:31.34 | cpufreak | is sending out a 38MB/s |
| 16:31.42 | cpufreak | which is 330Mbit/sec or so |
| 16:31.46 | jcookeman | I think the Oracle dump is finished now |
| 16:31.48 | LeedsHK | nobody can give a simple answer to a simple question |
| 16:32.06 | cpufreak | er 300Mbit/sec |
| 16:32.24 | cpufreak | the cache age is a few minutes |
| 16:32.25 | cpufreak | which is good |
| 16:32.27 | jcookeman | 240 isnt it? |
| 16:32.34 | cpufreak | 38*8 = 304 |
| 16:32.42 | jcookeman | oh yeah |
| 16:32.44 | jcookeman | sorry :D |
| 16:32.52 | antiphase | Not too shabby |
| 16:33.00 | jcookeman | yes that looks much better |
| 16:33.01 | cpufreak | what are you copying too? |
| 16:33.11 | jcookeman | that is rsync over ssh |
| 16:33.18 | cpufreak | so use ssh -c blowfish |
| 16:33.24 | jcookeman | and some big files being gzipped |
| 16:33.36 | cpufreak | what are you copying the data onto? |
| 16:33.36 | jcookeman | ok |
| 16:33.36 | jcookeman | I'll try that |
| 16:33.36 | cpufreak | another netapp? |
| 16:33.43 | cpufreak | or some box with local disk? |
| 16:33.48 | jcookeman | well some is going to local disk |
| 16:33.53 | jcookeman | some is going back to the netapp |
| 16:34.14 | jcookeman | I'll def try the blowfish option thougjh |
| 16:36.09 | cpufreak | btw |
| 16:36.15 | cpufreak | why are you doing an oracle dump? |
| 16:36.26 | cpufreak | you miss the point of having a netapp |
| 16:36.43 | cpufreak | just put the DB into Managed recovery, and do a snapshot |
| 16:36.49 | Cope | LeedsHK: i had this yesterdy |
| 16:36.57 | cpufreak | and then put it back into action |
| 16:37.10 | cpufreak | and then rsync offf from teh snapshots |
| 16:37.10 | Cope | "Tell me what feature you want me to implement next - in terms of what the user can do" |
| 16:37.44 | jcookeman | yes I know |
| 16:37.56 | jcookeman | but the reason we are doing the dump is because we're going from 64-bit to 32-bit instance |
| 16:38.10 | jcookeman | basically need to finish off all the Oracle upgrades :) |
| 16:38.25 | antiphase | Stop whinig about it being slightly slower than you want then |
| 16:38.30 | jcookeman | cpufreak: explain managed recovery. are you talking about 'alter database begin backup' |
| 16:38.30 | antiphase | if it's a one-off |
| 16:38.41 | jcookeman | not whining. just asking |
| 16:38.50 | cpufreak | yeh |
| 16:39.18 | cpufreak | jcookeman: but why the need for a dump? |
| 16:39.20 | jcookeman | we do that |
| 16:39.25 | cpufreak | whats wrong with just snapshotting the db |
| 16:39.29 | jcookeman | but the problem we have with online backup |
| 16:39.34 | jcookeman | is you still need the future redo logs |
| 16:39.36 | jcookeman | no?? |
| 16:39.46 | jcookeman | that's why we put them in another share |
| 16:40.10 | cpufreak | yeh sure you can replay the redos |
| 16:40.59 | jcookeman | right. but it wont give you coalesced db files |
| 16:42.24 | rhowe_ | woo |
| 16:42.45 | wethrin | aye? |
| 16:43.32 | rhowe | I included the out of hours contact number |
| 16:43.39 | rhowe | with a note that every time someone calls it, god kills a kitten |
| 16:44.01 | cpufreak | jcookeman: well what we did |
| 16:44.06 | cpufreak | is upgrade the hot standbys first |
| 16:44.08 | wethrin | yay |
| 16:44.12 | cpufreak | fail over onto them |
| 16:44.17 | cpufreak | and then upgrade the real db servers |
| 16:44.39 | jcookeman | sure |
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| 18:51.07 | armijn | morning |
| 18:51.20 | armijn | in my talk saturday I mentioned the call for papers for the next NLUUG conference |
| 18:51.34 | armijn | it has been translated to Engrish now: http://www.nluug.nl/events/vj08/CfP-EN.html |
| 19:15.15 | highbury | I have a hopefully simple problem with printing, I have an HP OfficeJet G95 and am printing with cups recommended drivers on A4 paper, but the page comes out with the print expanded by a factor of 4, and hence gets truncated. |
| 19:15.26 | highbury | this is on openSUSE 10.3 |
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| 20:33.02 | hali | cool, wal-marts linux pc offering sells out. wonder if we'll see that in asda |
| 20:33.43 | hali | must say their marketing is pretty cool, "Green PC", doesn't run windows so it doesn't need a large cpu etc... hence uses less power (VIA cpu) |
| 20:34.01 | hali | all the tree huggers are loving it |
| 20:37.11 | hali | hmm.. "The gPC is built using tiny components, but put inside a full-size case because research indicates that Wal-Mart shoppers are so unsophisticated they equate physical size with capability." |
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| 21:52.39 | Cope | which is more useful? to know per server (for many) which patches are needed? or to know per patch, which servers need the patch? |
| 21:53.20 | hali | depends on if you plan to deploy "all" patches or the selected few you find critical enough to apply |
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| 23:22.45 | wethrin | Rarr |
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