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00:24.22 | Discordian | I'm going to apologise to anyone I ever upset here inadvertantly |
00:24.49 | Armand | Just give my watch back, and we're ok. :) |
00:25.07 | Discordian | I offer no apologies to the ones were deliberate |
00:25.16 | Armand | damn. >_< |
00:25.31 | Armand | I still want my watch back! |
00:25.45 | Discordian | No doubt I'll return one day |
00:25.54 | Armand | okies. :) |
00:26.08 | Armand | just make sure you change the battery first. ^_^ |
00:28.20 | Discordian | i won't have net access after this weekend |
00:28.36 | Armand | sucks.. |
00:28.44 | Armand | why not? |
00:29.30 | Discordian | BT pull the plug |
00:29.40 | Discordian | Bye bye ADSL |
00:30.06 | Armand | Not paid your bill ?? |
00:30.21 | Discordian | Can't either |
00:30.31 | Armand | No job? |
00:30.53 | Discordian | nope |
00:31.02 | Discordian | Few in the offing |
00:31.09 | Armand | Now that really sucks.. I know. |
00:31.35 | Armand | I've been officially un-employed for 4 years. |
00:31.51 | Discordian | since feb 2007 |
00:33.18 | Armand | un-employment is complete shit.. |
00:33.33 | Armand | I've tried getting by on my call-outs, but it's not enough. |
00:51.32 | z00dax | Armand: you need more call outs |
00:51.38 | z00dax | or you need to increase rates |
00:51.58 | Armand | I need a driving license and a car.. :( |
00:52.51 | z00dax | that is only likely to cost more! |
00:53.06 | Armand | I know, but I would be able to take on more jobs. |
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01:26.26 | Armand | damnit.. I hate slow .torrents. >_< |
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09:53.05 | hali | Hello |
09:53.20 | goibhniu | hi there! |
09:53.44 | jcookeman | morning |
09:56.05 | antiphase | What's it for? |
09:57.26 | hali | i quite like kubuntu on my laptop |
09:57.34 | hali | it stays out of the way and is quite productive |
09:57.43 | goibhniu | video editing |
09:58.23 | goibhniu | I'll probably need to install and maintain quite a few apps from source |
09:58.24 | antiphase | Gentoo! So much faster! |
09:58.44 | hali | ha ha yes |
09:58.48 | goibhniu | well, it's 64bit too .. and I know gentoo will work |
09:58.52 | hali | --omg-optimize --scroll-more-text |
09:59.09 | antiphase | Ubuntu or CentOS would work as well, and save you a load of time |
09:59.16 | goibhniu | I'm tempted by arch too though ... and I think ubuntu would be the other option |
09:59.21 | jcookeman | linux is linux |
09:59.23 | jcookeman | doesnt matter |
09:59.30 | goibhniu | it's just it's such a pain to install source packages on ubuntu |
09:59.53 | jcookeman | if you wanna feel like a macho man and waste as many cpu cycles as possible, make sure and run gentoo |
10:00.16 | goibhniu | I am leaning toward gentoo, just because it's easy to maintain |
10:00.33 | goibhniu | but it's nice to be able to install things quickly |
10:00.46 | jcookeman | why is it a pain to install from source on ubuntu? |
10:00.49 | goibhniu | hmm ... if only arch didn't have such a bad reputation |
10:01.00 | goibhniu | you have to do lots of stuff manually |
10:02.13 | goibhniu | hmm ... if only ubuntu had a nice build system |
10:02.17 | hali | isn't a classic ./configure && make && make install the same on all distros? |
10:02.29 | goibhniu | checkinstall is ok, but it's not all that hot |
10:02.42 | goibhniu | hali: except for source distros |
10:02.56 | hali | whats a source distro? |
10:03.05 | goibhniu | arch and gentoo have nice ways to resolve dependencies, set certain flags etc |
10:03.07 | hali | if it's a 3rd party app not included in the distro you still need to do that right? |
10:04.00 | goibhniu | e.g. on gentoo `emerge cinelerra-cvs` grabs cinelerra a stable branch from cvs, resolves dependencies, installs, keeps up to date etc |
10:04.26 | antiphase | IT's also completely unrepeatable |
10:04.40 | hali | doesn't apt-get/yum/foo do that too? but avoid the whole --omg-optimize and the waste of cpu cycles |
10:04.41 | goibhniu | no faffing around with ./configure ... oh oops I meant CC="gcc -fPIC" |
10:04.45 | antiphase | Gentoo is wank unless you really want to have to babysit it instead of getting on with some work |
10:05.27 | goibhniu | that depends entirely on whether you're running stable apps or not |
10:05.53 | goibhniu | and for media stuff, there tends to be new and important things still being worked on |
10:06.00 | goibhniu | it's worth having the latest version |
10:06.14 | hali | are there any good video editing tools for linux yet?> |
10:06.21 | jcookeman | It's quite easy to prove that the cpu cycles lost with gentoo will never be recovered in your optimizations anyway |
10:06.42 | goibhniu | hello? |
10:06.50 | goibhniu | who's talking about cpu cycles? |
10:07.21 | jcookeman | that's the whole point of compiling everything from source and optimizing your binaries |
10:07.22 | goibhniu | hali: cinelerra, blender and kdenlive |
10:07.38 | goibhniu | jcookeman what are you on about? |
10:07.58 | highbury | openSUSE 10.3 seems to be working very slickly for me, Fedora 8 has still annoying selinux bugs/misconfigurations |
10:08.21 | jcookeman | goibhniu: unless you are after the most optimizations you possibly can want which you've alluded to by setting compiler flags, etc |
10:08.29 | jcookeman | why would you even consider compiling from source? |
10:08.36 | antiphase | Time wasted compiling shit will always exceed shorter run times over the lifetime of the install |
10:08.53 | goibhniu | why are you talking about optimisations? |
10:09.07 | antiphase | The one day you'll do an `emerge -NDuav world` and it won't boot any more |
10:09.07 | goibhniu | e.g. to get cinelerra with opengl support on ubuntu |
10:09.09 | jcookeman | what's the point of running gentoo then |
10:09.16 | goibhniu | you *have* to compile from svn |
10:09.31 | goibhniu | because the only packages which exist for ubuntu don't have opengl support |
10:10.05 | antiphase | Do you make a lot of 3D videos? |
10:10.19 | goibhniu | no, you can use blender for 2d |
10:10.37 | goibhniu | and 3d support in cin .. speeds up the previews of effects |
10:10.54 | antiphase | There's nothing to stop you repackaging the SVN source for Ubuntu, if you can be arsed to spend 5 minutes working out how |
10:11.14 | antiphase | Then you could provide it for other people having the same decision |
10:11.44 | antiphase | You don't have to do everything manually, because someone already automated it for you |
10:11.50 | goibhniu | it's easy to do that with checkinstall |
10:12.04 | antiphase | Use Slackware then ;) |
10:12.51 | goibhniu | with the right package manager that might be a nice option |
10:13.04 | goibhniu | does that handle binary packages too? |
10:13.12 | goibhniu | that's why arch is nice |
10:13.22 | goibhniu | it seems to do both, elegantly |
10:13.46 | antiphase | I haven't used Slackware this millennium ;) |
10:13.53 | antiphase | Actually, I lie because I used it in 2005 |
10:13.57 | antiphase | But you get the picture |
10:14.11 | goibhniu | I never tried it |
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11:29.48 | bilarh_ | oh man |
11:29.50 | bilarh_ | i hate ibm's |
11:30.00 | bilarh_ | i just got my new flashy lenovo t61p |
11:30.12 | jcookeman | that's no longer an ibm |
11:30.15 | bilarh_ | and it doesn't work too well with ubuntu, by the looks of it |
11:30.16 | bilarh_ | i know i know |
11:30.22 | bilarh_ | it's still branded as an ibm thinkpad |
11:30.31 | bilarh_ | or atleast as a thinkpad :) |
11:30.46 | jcookeman | Ubuntu works well on T60p |
11:30.59 | bilarh_ | and JC, what were microsoft thinking with the vista UI |
11:31.13 | jcookeman | Vista is awful |
11:31.17 | jcookeman | shockingly awful |
11:31.42 | bilarh_ | yeah it's terrible from my initial play-around |
11:31.53 | bilarh_ | i might blow it all away and run xp in a vmware session in linux, i think |
11:32.05 | bilarh_ | if ubuntu decides to boot, that is :-) |
11:32.14 | jcookeman | That's my preference actually |
11:32.22 | jcookeman | I had upgraded my T60 to vista |
11:32.31 | jcookeman | the next day it was back to the helpdesk for xp imaging :D |
11:32.32 | bilarh_ | "upgraded" ;-) |
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11:49.25 | hali | hm, where to go for katsu curry |
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12:02.32 | niv_one_1hree | hi all |
12:02.54 | niv_one_1hree | say wethrin - what is the quickest way to wipe a hard disk? |
12:04.31 | hali | shred(1) |
12:04.59 | niv_one_1hree | well I want to set the windows box to kill it self |
12:05.18 | niv_one_1hree | wonder if format /u would work from a batch file |
12:05.36 | niv_one_1hree | otherwise - I must boot of a gentoo livecd and dd... |
12:07.26 | bilarh_ | niv_one_three: there's a boot cd that can do that i think |
12:07.45 | bilarh_ | and it actually writes rubbish over the sectors a couple of times as well to stop someone just reading data of it |
12:08.08 | niv_one_1hree | where? |
12:08.15 | bilarh_ | try google |
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12:13.23 | jcookeman | http://killdisk.com/ |
12:36.22 | highbury | the slow way is "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda" |
12:36.43 | antiphase | It's faster if you add "bs=8192" |
12:36.48 | highbury | Ubuntu works fine on my Thinkpad T40p |
12:37.07 | highbury | antiphase, yep that helps |
12:43.51 | bilarh_ | i can't even get the graphical installer to start using the i386 7.10 release *or* the 64 bit |
12:45.38 | goibhniu | bilarh_: you tried the noacpi stuff? |
12:46.38 | bilarh_ | nope, not yet |
12:46.41 | goibhniu | what gpu is it? |
12:46.53 | bilarh_ | nvidia something or other |
12:46.55 | goibhniu | I had a weird thing with ubuntu before and in intel chip |
12:46.58 | goibhniu | ah ok |
12:48.05 | goibhniu | when you say it doesn't start .. doesn't boot, or doesn't start installing when you click on it? |
12:48.28 | bilarh_ | it boots |
12:48.36 | bilarh_ | but then when it goes to start the graphical environment it just hangs |
12:49.18 | bilarh_ | i'm gonna try with noacpi |
12:49.20 | goibhniu | ah .. hmm ... have you tried waiting several minutes? |
12:49.25 | bilarh_ | yeah |
12:49.28 | bilarh_ | for like half an hour |
12:49.31 | goibhniu | ah k |
12:49.39 | goibhniu | bulletproof X takes some time to kick in |
12:51.29 | goibhniu | there's some other noacpi like thing too, I don't know which is current .. acpi=false or something? |
12:52.04 | bilarh_ | isn't it pci=noacpi? |
12:52.25 | goibhniu | ah .. that could be it .. .and acpi=off ? |
12:52.32 | bilarh_ | do i need that too? :-) |
12:52.47 | bilarh_ | -no-acpi apparently as well |
12:53.09 | goibhniu | heh ... well plenty of things to try then :) |
12:53.19 | goibhniu | it's an intel chip I assume? |
12:53.32 | goibhniu | if it's amd .. you're in for fun times |
12:53.33 | bilarh_ | yeah centrino pro |
12:53.41 | goibhniu | okie |
12:59.02 | bilarh_ | interesting... just got a baked potato "with the filling" from the canteen |
12:59.10 | bilarh_ | turns out the filling is chick peas and |
12:59.13 | bilarh_ | boiled potatoes |
12:59.26 | bilarh_ | why would anyone put potatoes in a filling for baked potatoes ffs... some people |
12:59.32 | antiphase | ENOTENOUGHMEAT |
12:59.41 | bilarh_ | antiphase: :D |
13:09.55 | keithlard | bilarh_: what happens if you boot without 'quiet splash' |
13:10.02 | keithlard | do you get dumped into ash? |
13:10.18 | bilarh_ | i get dumped into busybox it looks like |
13:10.23 | bilarh_ | if i change anything on the boot line |
13:13.14 | bilarh_ | hmm |
13:13.20 | bilarh_ | ok, it booted up in safe mode now |
13:13.22 | bilarh_ | but didn't start x |
13:13.31 | bilarh_ | so i changed vt's to the first one where there's a root prompt |
13:13.34 | bilarh_ | and then i ran startx |
13:13.49 | bilarh_ | now it's started x and i think it's starting a wm as well |
13:13.54 | bilarh_ | wohey, i have a gnome desktop |
13:13.56 | bilarh_ | :D |
13:14.12 | goibhniu | mentalist! |
13:15.18 | keithlard | cool |
13:15.20 | bilarh_ | wow, it even runs x in 1920x1600 :D |
13:23.03 | highbury | bilarh_, the "quiet splash" just means it desn't display all the service startup messages |
13:23.28 | highbury | so try and login as yourself and then do a startx |
13:23.47 | highbury | and if that works try rebooting again |
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14:11.21 | wethrin | Mexican wave? |
14:16.35 | dick_turpin | wethrin: :-) |
14:17.39 | boudiccas | a mexican wave of just one! now that /is/ a novelty |
14:18.41 | dick_turpin | Cope: You need to start us off again |
14:20.20 | bilarh_ | can I join in? |
14:20.26 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: No |
14:21.03 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; ah go on dick_turpin it more fun with mor people doing it |
14:21.15 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: bitch! |
14:21.25 | boudiccas | and even better if i spell correctly and dont do so many typoes |
14:22.17 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Go on then if you must |
14:22.24 | bilarh_ | :D |
14:22.28 | bilarh_ | i don't want to now |
14:22.55 | boudiccas | bilarh_; spoilsport! :( |
14:23.11 | boudiccas | bilarh_; do a quick one :) |
14:23.50 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Typical make loads of promises of doing unusual stuff then change your mind when it comes to the nitty gritty |
14:24.11 | bilarh_ | or is that not how it works? |
14:24.25 | bilarh_ | do i have to wear a mexican hat first? |
14:25.07 | wethrin | PIE! |
14:25.17 | wethrin | OOK |
14:25.39 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I was born in Essex :-P |
14:26.15 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: that explains why you're such a slapper then ;-) |
14:26.32 | dick_turpin | wethrin: wanna help me with my pie joke? |
14:26.56 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: It gets better, ask me where I was born |
14:27.44 | wethrin | Pie? |
14:27.45 | wethrin | PIE! |
14:27.49 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: where was you bought? |
14:27.59 | wethrin | Fuckit. I'm bored. I'm going to do some work. |
14:28.05 | bilarh_ | that would be kings cross, i meant where was you born? |
14:28.11 | bilarh_ | freudian slip :) |
14:28.16 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Barking |
14:28.28 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: really? |
14:29.46 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; are you? |
14:30.33 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; i live quite near to the old Barming Mental Institute from which we get the word /barmy/ meaning we all know what! |
14:31.01 | boudiccas | lager |
14:31.09 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: that might not necessarily be a problem, though ;-) |
14:31.11 | boudiccas | some larger than what dick_turpin |
14:31.41 | bilarh_ | boudiccas: bless, he's from london, they all add arse into words when they talk |
14:32.20 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Whats a piecost? (I dunno whats a piecost)about 58p |
14:32.29 | wethrin | groan |
14:32.42 | boudiccas | i can get a cornish pasty for 60p |
14:32.52 | bilarh_ | boudiccas: where from? |
14:32.52 | boudiccas | and its bloody hot too |
14:32.59 | boudiccas | rooks the butchers |
14:33.28 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I dunno work my fingers to the bone entertaining you and what thanks do I get... |
14:33.32 | bilarh_ | speaking of pasties... |
14:33.36 | wethrin | A groan |
14:33.49 | bilarh_ | what's the deal with these minge pies around xmas... |
14:33.50 | bilarh_ | ? |
14:34.00 | wethrin | minge pies? |
14:34.02 | boudiccas | bilarh_; mince pies? |
14:34.19 | bilarh_ | there's always loads of women in the office trying to force me to have some every xmas |
14:34.28 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I read that as something else, I'm still laughing now |
14:34.31 | bilarh_ | i thought it was minge pie |
14:34.35 | boudiccas | there nice, and i'll eat them if you wont |
14:34.56 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Stop it rotflmao |
14:34.59 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; it did cross my mind too but i decided to ignore it :) |
14:35.02 | bilarh_ | they're too sweet... leaves a funny taste in my mouth :-\ |
14:35.14 | dick_turpin | ROTFLMAO |
14:35.28 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: ;-) |
14:35.42 | wethrin | http://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/ef4c6ee758.jpg |
14:36.27 | dick_turpin | wethrin: omg you are bored |
14:36.38 | wethrin | someone else linked to it! |
14:41.37 | boudiccas | oh fsck, i've just lost a web page i needed to keep |
14:42.44 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Hah thats nothing I ordered flowers this morning on my credit card, didn't bookmark the page now don't know who to phone if they don't arrive today |
14:43.53 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; use control H to get the histroy page showing where you've been online today |
14:44.16 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Hm will that work in IE7 ? |
14:44.56 | boudiccas | maybe not the same keypresses but getting to the history page will work and shwo you where you've been today |
14:47.21 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I hope not :-S dick_turpin must clean his history quick |
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14:57.58 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Phew wifes phoned, she got the flowers but she has forgotten our Anniversary. Thats 50 team points to me I think |
15:00.07 | boudiccas | lol |
15:01.37 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Best 48.00 I've spent I reckon |
15:11.30 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; sorry i didnt reply sooner, i was eating a packet of crisps, and everything stops for food |
15:11.58 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; so, how many years are you celebrating now of marital harmony, etc |
15:13.57 | niv_one_1hree | bye |
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15:17.43 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: 16 |
15:18.21 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; well done! thats quite an achievement in this day and age |
15:19.03 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Um it is my second time around |
15:19.27 | boudiccas | plus well done for rememebring the anniversary even if her indoors has forgotten it |
15:19.42 | boudiccas | a nice romantic gesture to lash out on flowers and surprise her :) |
15:20.04 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; i did know, but it still aplies, well done |
15:20.13 | boudiccas | *applies |
15:21.30 | dick_turpin | Wow look at all this for 249.00 + 50.00 delivery http://view.ed4.net/v/RA7DXP/RUO1V/O2NA56/42ERR7/MAILACTION=1&FORMAT=H |
15:23.45 | boudiccas | hmmm |
15:28.35 | bilarh_ | damn, pc's are so cheap |
15:28.39 | bilarh_ | with vista business as well |
15:29.14 | antiphase | Makes you wonder why people torture themselves with Linux |
15:29.38 | antiphase | or conversely, makes you realise why thy don't |
15:29.52 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: You complete and utter.. you're killing the likes of us |
15:30.11 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: ebuyer ftw |
15:30.28 | goibhniu | overclockers was nice too though ... some good b-grade stuff |
15:30.51 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Hah I've just done a flier off the back of ebuyer |
15:31.26 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; i didnt know that you were into poetry!!! flier and ebuyer both rhyme nicely |
15:32.12 | dick_turpin | antiphase: It gets worse we've just purchased an Samsung CLP-300n a two year old could configure it on a network |
15:32.33 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: I can give you the specs if you like and you can sell them for £700 |
15:32.45 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I'm a poet and I don't even know it |
15:32.49 | boudiccas | lol |
15:34.42 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: No thanks it'd mean I'd have to work and I'm feeling lazy |
15:36.16 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; you're entitled to be lazy today, after all you're saving your strength for tonight aren't you ??? :)))) |
15:37.22 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Why? is Kylie Minogue coming round? |
15:37.39 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; you know why you sly dog you :))))) |
15:38.20 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: bilarh_ is coming round? |
15:38.47 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; you can pretned all you like, but you know what i'm referring too :))) |
15:38.57 | boudiccas | *pretend |
15:40.07 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Married men can look round their home and determine good nights by the furniture ect ;-) |
15:40.44 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; rofl |
15:41.29 | dick_turpin | Hm Fridge freezer, that was a good night. Leather Sofa, That was a really good night! |
15:42.27 | boudiccas | my mother has a leather sofa, and its the most uncomfortable piece of furniture that i've /ever/ sat on. I just hope that she doesn't leave it to me because i'd get rid of it like a shot |
15:42.47 | boudiccas | its all hard and angular, not at all comfortable |
15:43.53 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: ? mines really nice Italian champagne leather |
15:43.55 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; that photo of you and archie sitting in your armchair looks very comfortable and relaxing, the exact opposite of mothers |
15:44.12 | boudiccas | hers is more like an instrument of torture |
15:44.25 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Ah I forgot you've seen some photo's |
15:44.57 | boudiccas | yes, i haven't forgotten. i'm not that old and decripit |
15:45.09 | boudiccas | decrepit |
15:45.32 | boudiccas | snuff!!!! |
15:46.18 | antiphase | Just smoke some coffin nails and be done with it |
15:46.51 | dick_turpin | Yeah help us clear some NHS beds |
15:47.57 | boudiccas | antiphase; but i'm giving up smoking, i've only ahd one fag this month and 8 last month so i'm on target |
15:48.10 | boudiccas | *had |
15:48.55 | antiphase | Just stop doing it all, it's shit for a week but much better and cheaper after |
15:49.04 | dick_turpin | I've still had none, I forget how long I've been fag free for now, 4 Months? |
15:52.45 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; well done. i'm soon going to be able to say the same |
15:58.44 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Put that down and go and wash your hands |
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16:09.59 | goibhniu | live streemz from piksel 07 http://www.piksel.no/piksel07/streams.htm# |
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18:06.51 | keithlard | how'd you base64-decode something in red hat then |
18:08.04 | wethrin | Use perl? |
18:09.03 | wethrin | perl -MMIME::Base64 -0777 -ne 'print decode_base64($_)' < file |
18:09.14 | wethrin | perl -MMIME::Base64 -ne 'print decode_base64($_)' < file |
18:09.19 | wethrin | (shamelessly nicked from the man page) |
18:11.41 | keithlard | i thought there was a command line thingy for it |
18:14.59 | wethrin | I'd just go for the Perl one-liner :) |
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18:18.57 | wethrin | klurrrrrrr! |
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18:49.02 | cpufreak | hmmmmm |
18:50.30 | wethrin | hello |
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20:34.38 | hali | hm, azul systems links to my blog about azul, linked as "Media coverage" ... hmm... they must be out of ideas |
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22:58.51 | hali | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-5euGx0gh0 |
22:59.00 | hali | beats the cadbury gorilla :P |
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