IRC log for #gllug on 20071115

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00:24.22DiscordianI'm going to apologise to anyone I ever upset here inadvertantly
00:24.49ArmandJust give my watch back, and we're ok. :)
00:25.07DiscordianI offer no apologies to the ones were deliberate
00:25.16Armanddamn. >_<
00:25.31ArmandI still want my watch back!
00:25.45DiscordianNo doubt I'll return one day
00:25.54Armandokies. :)
00:26.08Armandjust make sure you change the battery first. ^_^
00:28.20Discordiani won't have net access after this weekend
00:28.36Armandsucks..
00:28.44Armandwhy not?
00:29.30DiscordianBT pull the plug
00:29.40DiscordianBye bye ADSL
00:30.06ArmandNot paid your bill ??
00:30.21DiscordianCan't either
00:30.31ArmandNo job?
00:30.53Discordiannope
00:31.02DiscordianFew in the offing
00:31.09ArmandNow that really sucks.. I know.
00:31.35ArmandI've been officially un-employed for 4 years.
00:31.51Discordiansince feb 2007
00:33.18Armandun-employment is complete shit..
00:33.33ArmandI've tried getting by on my call-outs, but it's not enough.
00:51.32z00daxArmand: you need more call outs
00:51.38z00daxor you need to increase rates
00:51.58ArmandI need a driving license and a car.. :(
00:52.51z00daxthat is only likely to cost more!
00:53.06ArmandI know, but I would be able to take on more jobs.
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09:53.05haliHello
09:53.20goibhniuhi there!
09:53.44jcookemanmorning
09:56.05antiphaseWhat's it for?
09:57.26halii quite like kubuntu on my laptop
09:57.34haliit stays out of the way and is quite productive
09:57.43goibhniuvideo editing
09:58.23goibhniuI'll probably need to install and maintain quite a few apps from source
09:58.24antiphaseGentoo! So much faster!
09:58.44haliha ha yes
09:58.48goibhniuwell, it's 64bit too .. and I know gentoo will work
09:58.52hali--omg-optimize --scroll-more-text
09:59.09antiphaseUbuntu or CentOS would work as well, and save you a load of time
09:59.16goibhniuI'm tempted by arch too though ... and I think ubuntu would be the other option
09:59.21jcookemanlinux is linux
09:59.23jcookemandoesnt matter
09:59.30goibhniuit's just it's such a pain to install source packages on ubuntu
09:59.53jcookemanif you wanna feel like a macho man and waste as many cpu cycles as possible, make sure and run gentoo
10:00.16goibhniuI am leaning toward gentoo, just because it's easy to maintain
10:00.33goibhniubut it's nice to be able to install things quickly
10:00.46jcookemanwhy is it a pain to install from source on ubuntu?
10:00.49goibhniuhmm ... if only arch didn't have such a bad reputation
10:01.00goibhniuyou have to do lots of stuff manually
10:02.13goibhniuhmm ... if only ubuntu had a nice build system
10:02.17haliisn't a classic ./configure && make && make install the same on all distros?
10:02.29goibhniucheckinstall is ok, but it's not all that hot
10:02.42goibhniuhali: except for source distros
10:02.56haliwhats a source distro?
10:03.05goibhniuarch and gentoo have nice ways to resolve dependencies, set certain flags etc
10:03.07haliif it's a 3rd party app not included in the distro you still need to do that right?
10:04.00goibhniue.g. on gentoo `emerge cinelerra-cvs` grabs cinelerra a stable branch from cvs, resolves dependencies, installs, keeps up to date etc
10:04.26antiphaseIT's also completely unrepeatable
10:04.40halidoesn't apt-get/yum/foo do that too? but avoid the whole --omg-optimize and the waste of cpu cycles
10:04.41goibhniuno faffing around with ./configure ... oh oops I meant CC="gcc -fPIC"
10:04.45antiphaseGentoo is wank unless you really want to have to babysit it instead of getting on with some work
10:05.27goibhniuthat depends entirely on whether you're running stable apps or not
10:05.53goibhniuand for media stuff, there tends to be new and important things still being worked on
10:06.00goibhniuit's worth having the latest version
10:06.14haliare there any good video editing tools for linux yet?>
10:06.21jcookemanIt's quite easy to prove that the cpu cycles lost with gentoo will never be recovered in your optimizations anyway
10:06.42goibhniuhello?
10:06.50goibhniuwho's talking about cpu cycles?
10:07.21jcookemanthat's the whole point of compiling everything from source and optimizing your binaries
10:07.22goibhniuhali: cinelerra, blender and kdenlive
10:07.38goibhniujcookeman what are you on about?
10:07.58highburyopenSUSE 10.3 seems to be working very slickly for me, Fedora 8 has still annoying selinux bugs/misconfigurations
10:08.21jcookemangoibhniu: unless you are after the most optimizations you possibly can want which you've alluded to by setting compiler flags, etc
10:08.29jcookemanwhy would you even consider compiling from source?
10:08.36antiphaseTime wasted compiling shit will always exceed shorter run times over the lifetime of the install
10:08.53goibhniuwhy are you talking about optimisations?
10:09.07antiphaseThe one day you'll do an `emerge -NDuav world` and it won't boot any more
10:09.07goibhniue.g. to get cinelerra with opengl support on ubuntu
10:09.09jcookemanwhat's the point of running gentoo then
10:09.16goibhniuyou *have* to compile from svn
10:09.31goibhniubecause the only packages which exist for ubuntu don't have opengl support
10:10.05antiphaseDo you make a lot of 3D videos?
10:10.19goibhniuno, you can use blender for 2d
10:10.37goibhniuand 3d support in cin .. speeds up the previews of effects
10:10.54antiphaseThere's nothing to stop you repackaging the SVN source for Ubuntu, if you can be arsed to spend 5 minutes working out how
10:11.14antiphaseThen you could provide it for other people having the same decision
10:11.44antiphaseYou don't have to do everything manually, because someone already automated it for you
10:11.50goibhniuit's easy to do that with checkinstall
10:12.04antiphaseUse Slackware then ;)
10:12.51goibhniuwith the right package manager that might be a nice option
10:13.04goibhniudoes that handle binary packages too?
10:13.12goibhniuthat's why arch is nice
10:13.22goibhniuit seems to do both, elegantly
10:13.46antiphaseI haven't used Slackware this millennium ;)
10:13.53antiphaseActually, I lie because I used it in 2005
10:13.57antiphaseBut you get the picture
10:14.11goibhniuI never tried it
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11:29.48bilarh_oh man
11:29.50bilarh_i hate ibm's
11:30.00bilarh_i just got my new flashy lenovo t61p
11:30.12jcookemanthat's no longer an ibm
11:30.15bilarh_and it doesn't work too well with ubuntu, by the looks of it
11:30.16bilarh_i know i know
11:30.22bilarh_it's still branded as an ibm thinkpad
11:30.31bilarh_or atleast as a thinkpad :)
11:30.46jcookemanUbuntu works well on T60p
11:30.59bilarh_and JC, what were microsoft thinking with the vista UI
11:31.13jcookemanVista is awful
11:31.17jcookemanshockingly awful
11:31.42bilarh_yeah it's terrible from my initial play-around
11:31.53bilarh_i might blow it all away and run xp in a vmware session in linux, i think
11:32.05bilarh_if ubuntu decides to boot, that is :-)
11:32.14jcookemanThat's my preference actually
11:32.22jcookemanI had upgraded my T60 to vista
11:32.31jcookemanthe next day it was back to the helpdesk for xp imaging :D
11:32.32bilarh_"upgraded" ;-)
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11:49.25halihm, where to go for katsu curry
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12:02.32niv_one_1hreehi all
12:02.54niv_one_1hreesay wethrin - what is the quickest way to wipe a hard disk?
12:04.31halishred(1)
12:04.59niv_one_1hreewell I want to set the windows box to kill it self
12:05.18niv_one_1hreewonder if format /u would work from a batch file
12:05.36niv_one_1hreeotherwise - I must boot of a gentoo livecd and dd...
12:07.26bilarh_niv_one_three: there's a boot cd that can do that i think
12:07.45bilarh_and it actually writes rubbish over the sectors a couple of times as well to stop someone just reading data of it
12:08.08niv_one_1hreewhere?
12:08.15bilarh_try google
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12:13.23jcookemanhttp://killdisk.com/
12:36.22highburythe slow way is "dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda"
12:36.43antiphaseIt's faster if you add "bs=8192"
12:36.48highburyUbuntu works fine on my Thinkpad T40p
12:37.07highburyantiphase, yep that helps
12:43.51bilarh_i can't even get the graphical installer to start using the i386 7.10 release *or* the 64 bit
12:45.38goibhniubilarh_: you tried the noacpi stuff?
12:46.38bilarh_nope, not yet
12:46.41goibhniuwhat gpu is it?
12:46.53bilarh_nvidia something or other
12:46.55goibhniuI had a weird thing with ubuntu before and in intel chip
12:46.58goibhniuah ok
12:48.05goibhniuwhen you say it doesn't start .. doesn't boot, or doesn't start installing when you click on it?
12:48.28bilarh_it boots
12:48.36bilarh_but then when it goes to start the graphical environment it just hangs
12:49.18bilarh_i'm gonna try with noacpi
12:49.20goibhniuah .. hmm ... have you tried waiting several minutes?
12:49.25bilarh_yeah
12:49.28bilarh_for like half an hour
12:49.31goibhniuah k
12:49.39goibhniubulletproof X takes some time to kick in
12:51.29goibhniuthere's some other noacpi like thing too, I don't know which is current .. acpi=false or something?
12:52.04bilarh_isn't it pci=noacpi?
12:52.25goibhniuah .. that could be it .. .and acpi=off ?
12:52.32bilarh_do i need that too? :-)
12:52.47bilarh_-no-acpi apparently as well
12:53.09goibhniuheh ... well plenty of things to try then :)
12:53.19goibhniuit's an intel chip I assume?
12:53.32goibhniuif it's amd .. you're in for fun times
12:53.33bilarh_yeah centrino pro
12:53.41goibhniuokie
12:59.02bilarh_interesting... just got a baked potato "with the filling" from the canteen
12:59.10bilarh_turns out the filling is chick peas and
12:59.13bilarh_boiled potatoes
12:59.26bilarh_why would anyone put potatoes in a filling for baked potatoes ffs... some people
12:59.32antiphaseENOTENOUGHMEAT
12:59.41bilarh_antiphase: :D
13:09.55keithlardbilarh_: what happens if you boot without 'quiet splash'
13:10.02keithlarddo you get dumped into ash?
13:10.18bilarh_i get dumped into busybox it looks like
13:10.23bilarh_if i change anything on the boot line
13:13.14bilarh_hmm
13:13.20bilarh_ok, it booted up in safe mode now
13:13.22bilarh_but didn't start x
13:13.31bilarh_so i changed vt's to the first one where there's a root prompt
13:13.34bilarh_and then i ran startx
13:13.49bilarh_now it's started x and i think it's starting a wm as well
13:13.54bilarh_wohey, i have a gnome desktop
13:13.56bilarh_:D
13:14.12goibhniumentalist!
13:15.18keithlardcool
13:15.20bilarh_wow, it even runs x in 1920x1600 :D
13:23.03highburybilarh_,  the "quiet splash" just means it desn't display all the service startup messages
13:23.28highburyso try and login as yourself and then do a startx
13:23.47highburyand if that works try rebooting again
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14:11.21wethrinMexican wave?
14:16.35dick_turpinwethrin: :-)
14:17.39boudiccasa mexican wave of just one! now that /is/ a novelty
14:18.41dick_turpinCope: You need to start us off again
14:20.20bilarh_can I join in?
14:20.26dick_turpinbilarh_: No
14:21.03boudiccasdick_turpin; ah go on dick_turpin it more fun with mor people doing it
14:21.15bilarh_dick_turpin: bitch!
14:21.25boudiccasand even better if i spell correctly and dont do so many typoes
14:22.17dick_turpinbilarh_: Go on then if you must
14:22.24bilarh_:D
14:22.28bilarh_i don't want to now
14:22.55boudiccasbilarh_; spoilsport! :(
14:23.11boudiccasbilarh_; do a quick one :)
14:23.50dick_turpinbilarh_: Typical make loads of promises of doing unusual stuff then change your mind when it comes to the nitty gritty
14:24.11bilarh_or is that not how it works?
14:24.25bilarh_do i have to wear a mexican hat first?
14:25.07wethrinPIE!
14:25.17wethrinOOK
14:25.39dick_turpinbilarh_: I was born in Essex :-P
14:26.15bilarh_dick_turpin: that explains why you're such a slapper then ;-)
14:26.32dick_turpinwethrin: wanna help me with my pie joke?
14:26.56dick_turpinbilarh_: It gets better, ask me where I was born
14:27.44wethrinPie?
14:27.45wethrinPIE!
14:27.49bilarh_dick_turpin: where was you bought?
14:27.59wethrinFuckit. I'm bored. I'm going to do some work.
14:28.05bilarh_that would be kings cross, i meant where was you born?
14:28.11bilarh_freudian slip :)
14:28.16dick_turpinbilarh_: Barking
14:28.28bilarh_dick_turpin: really?
14:29.46boudiccasdick_turpin; are you?
14:30.33boudiccasdick_turpin; i live quite near to the old Barming Mental Institute from which we get the word /barmy/ meaning we all know what!
14:31.01boudiccaslager
14:31.09bilarh_dick_turpin: that might not necessarily be a problem, though ;-)
14:31.11boudiccassome larger than what dick_turpin
14:31.41bilarh_boudiccas: bless, he's from london, they all add arse into words when they talk
14:32.20dick_turpinwethrin: Whats a piecost? (I dunno whats a piecost)about 58p
14:32.29wethringroan
14:32.42boudiccasi can get a cornish pasty for 60p
14:32.52bilarh_boudiccas: where from?
14:32.52boudiccasand its bloody hot too
14:32.59boudiccasrooks the butchers
14:33.28dick_turpinwethrin: I dunno work my fingers to the bone entertaining you and what thanks do I get...
14:33.32bilarh_speaking of pasties...
14:33.36wethrinA groan
14:33.49bilarh_what's the deal with these minge pies around xmas...
14:33.50bilarh_?
14:34.00wethrinminge pies?
14:34.02boudiccasbilarh_; mince pies?
14:34.19bilarh_there's always loads of women in the office trying to force me to have some every xmas
14:34.28dick_turpinboudiccas: I read that as something else, I'm still laughing now
14:34.31bilarh_i thought it was minge pie
14:34.35boudiccasthere nice, and i'll eat them if you wont
14:34.56dick_turpinbilarh_: Stop it rotflmao
14:34.59boudiccasdick_turpin; it did cross my mind too but i decided to ignore it :)
14:35.02bilarh_they're too sweet... leaves a funny taste in my mouth :-\
14:35.14dick_turpinROTFLMAO
14:35.28bilarh_dick_turpin: ;-)
14:35.42wethrinhttp://www.ukimagehost.com/uploads/ef4c6ee758.jpg
14:36.27dick_turpinwethrin: omg you are bored
14:36.38wethrinsomeone else linked to it!
14:41.37boudiccasoh fsck, i've just lost a web page i needed to keep
14:42.44dick_turpinboudiccas: Hah thats nothing I ordered flowers this morning on my credit card, didn't bookmark the page now don't know who to phone if they don't arrive today
14:43.53boudiccasdick_turpin; use control H to get the histroy page showing where you've been online today
14:44.16dick_turpinboudiccas: Hm will that work in IE7 ?
14:44.56boudiccasmaybe not the same keypresses but getting to the history page will work and shwo you where you've been today
14:47.21dick_turpinboudiccas: I hope not :-S dick_turpin must clean his history quick
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14:57.58dick_turpinboudiccas: Phew wifes phoned, she got the flowers but she has forgotten our Anniversary. Thats 50 team points to me I think
15:00.07boudiccaslol
15:01.37dick_turpinboudiccas: Best 48.00 I've spent I reckon
15:11.30boudiccasdick_turpin; sorry i didnt reply sooner, i was eating a packet of crisps, and everything stops for food
15:11.58boudiccasdick_turpin; so, how many years are you celebrating now of marital harmony, etc
15:13.57niv_one_1hreebye
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15:17.43dick_turpinboudiccas: 16
15:18.21boudiccasdick_turpin; well done! thats quite an achievement in this day and age
15:19.03dick_turpinboudiccas: Um it is my second time around
15:19.27boudiccasplus well done for rememebring the anniversary even if her indoors has forgotten it
15:19.42boudiccasa nice romantic gesture to lash out on flowers and surprise her :)
15:20.04boudiccasdick_turpin; i did know, but it still aplies, well done
15:20.13boudiccas*applies
15:21.30dick_turpinWow look at all this for 249.00 + 50.00 delivery http://view.ed4.net/v/RA7DXP/RUO1V/O2NA56/42ERR7/MAILACTION=1&FORMAT=H
15:23.45boudiccashmmm
15:28.35bilarh_damn, pc's are so cheap
15:28.39bilarh_with vista business as well
15:29.14antiphaseMakes you wonder why people torture themselves with Linux
15:29.38antiphaseor conversely, makes you realise why thy don't
15:29.52dick_turpingoibhniu: You complete and utter.. you're killing the likes of us
15:30.11goibhniudick_turpin: ebuyer ftw
15:30.28goibhniuoverclockers was nice too though ... some good b-grade stuff
15:30.51dick_turpingoibhniu: Hah I've just done a flier off the back of ebuyer
15:31.26boudiccasdick_turpin; i didnt know that you were into poetry!!! flier and ebuyer both rhyme nicely
15:32.12dick_turpinantiphase: It gets worse we've just purchased an Samsung CLP-300n a two year old could configure it on a network
15:32.33goibhniudick_turpin: I can give you the specs if you like and you can sell them for £700
15:32.45dick_turpinboudiccas: I'm a poet and I don't even know it
15:32.49boudiccaslol
15:34.42dick_turpingoibhniu: No thanks it'd mean I'd have to work and I'm feeling lazy
15:36.16boudiccasdick_turpin; you're entitled to be lazy today, after all you're saving your strength for tonight aren't you ??? :))))
15:37.22dick_turpinboudiccas: Why? is Kylie Minogue coming round?
15:37.39boudiccasdick_turpin; you know why you sly dog you :)))))
15:38.20dick_turpinboudiccas: bilarh_ is coming round?
15:38.47boudiccasdick_turpin; you can pretned all you like, but you know what i'm referring too :)))
15:38.57boudiccas*pretend
15:40.07dick_turpinboudiccas: Married men can look round their home and determine good nights by the furniture ect ;-)
15:40.44boudiccasdick_turpin; rofl
15:41.29dick_turpinHm Fridge freezer, that was a good night. Leather Sofa, That was a really good night!
15:42.27boudiccasmy mother has a leather sofa, and its the most uncomfortable piece of furniture that i've /ever/ sat on. I just hope that she doesn't leave it to me because i'd get rid of it like a shot
15:42.47boudiccasits all hard and angular, not at all comfortable
15:43.53dick_turpinboudiccas: ? mines really nice Italian champagne leather
15:43.55boudiccasdick_turpin; that photo of you and archie sitting in your armchair looks very comfortable and relaxing, the exact opposite of mothers
15:44.12boudiccashers is more like an instrument of torture
15:44.25dick_turpinboudiccas: Ah I forgot you've seen some photo's
15:44.57boudiccasyes, i haven't forgotten. i'm not that old and decripit
15:45.09boudiccasdecrepit
15:45.32boudiccassnuff!!!!
15:46.18antiphaseJust smoke some coffin nails and be done with it
15:46.51dick_turpinYeah help us clear some NHS beds
15:47.57boudiccasantiphase; but i'm giving up smoking, i've only ahd one fag this month and 8 last month so i'm on target
15:48.10boudiccas*had
15:48.55antiphaseJust stop doing it all, it's shit for a week but much better and cheaper after
15:49.04dick_turpinI've still had none, I forget how long I've been fag free for now, 4 Months?
15:52.45boudiccasdick_turpin; well done. i'm soon going to be able to say the same
15:58.44dick_turpinbilarh_: Put that down and go and wash your hands
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18:06.51keithlardhow'd you base64-decode something in red hat then
18:08.04wethrinUse perl?
18:09.03wethrinperl -MMIME::Base64 -0777 -ne 'print decode_base64($_)' < file
18:09.14wethrinperl -MMIME::Base64 -ne 'print decode_base64($_)' < file
18:09.19wethrin(shamelessly nicked from the man page)
18:11.41keithlardi thought there was a command line thingy for it
18:14.59wethrinI'd just go for the Perl one-liner :)
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20:34.38halihm, azul systems links to my blog about azul, linked as "Media coverage" ... hmm... they must be out of ideas
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22:58.51halihttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-5euGx0gh0
22:59.00halibeats the cadbury gorilla :P
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