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13:16.53 | z00dax | can you smp a Q6600 ? |
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13:31.38 | goibhniu | vs NUMA? |
13:32.39 | goibhniu | isn't smp the norm? |
13:32.50 | z00dax | eh ? |
13:32.59 | z00dax | the q6600 is the quad core on a 775 socket. |
13:33.05 | goibhniu | yep |
13:33.11 | z00dax | just wondering if anyone other than supermicro makes a mobo that can smp these things |
13:33.18 | z00dax | the supermicro board is $400 |
13:33.22 | z00dax | a tad out of budget |
13:33.34 | goibhniu | oh, I don't understand |
13:33.50 | z00dax | and its a full size 19" mobo at that. so no chance of getting that into either a microATX or a miniATX cabinet |
13:34.04 | z00dax | it would need a 19" rack unit or a full height tower cabinet |
13:41.38 | goibhniu | .. from wikipedia "With the introduction of dual-core devices, SMP is found in most new desktop machines and in many laptop machines." |
13:53.32 | highbury | at about £160 they sound a bargain |
13:55.13 | z00dax | goibhniu: i want dual socket |
13:55.19 | z00dax | so i get 8 cores in all |
13:55.32 | goibhniu | ahh .. gotcha |
13:56.34 | highbury | I was considering putting one of them into a Shuttle box, but at over £250 for a SP35P2 |
13:56.59 | highbury | of course you could try hunting round for a Quad socket! |
13:57.29 | z00dax | highbury: like something from tyan for a opteron 8xxx ? |
13:57.38 | z00dax | i wonder how the barcelona chips are doing |
13:58.08 | highbury | a tad too expensive for personal use |
13:58.19 | z00dax | just a bit :D |
13:59.50 | highbury | I noticed that Tesco have a Quad base unit http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.202-2819.aspx |
13:59.55 | highbury | £679 |
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15:19.25 | mumper | arternoon :) |
15:20.02 | boudiccas | afternoon mumper |
15:20.43 | mumper | boudiccas! Hi there - all's well, I trust? |
15:21.01 | boudiccas | yes, its a typical quiet saturday afternoon :) |
15:21.40 | mumper | That it is - though my cat has just indicated an annoyance at my neglect ... |
15:22.28 | boudiccas | :) |
15:23.36 | mumper | right - cat's gone down to SWMBO for comfort so Ican get on with backing up odds and ends prior to cracking this SMART software ... |
15:25.25 | mumper | I have been very quiet as i have had some success in getting Gramps working tolerably well - but do families help? Nah! |
15:30.24 | mumper | Pondering family matters triggers my addled memory: tell me, was there an arrival of a little squalling excreta fountain in your neck of the woods earlier this year? Or am I truly addled (entirely believable) ... |
15:35.22 | mumper | Must away ... keep well - byeeee :) |
15:35.59 | boudiccas | mumper; who are you talking to??? |
15:38.14 | hali | and that children, thats why drugs are bad :) |
15:39.20 | Armand|AFK | drugs are good.. they filter out the weak-minded from the useful. :P |
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16:21.33 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: X working well xterm working on getting KDE desktop |
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16:33.07 | niv__ | "I look at all the lonly ppl" |
16:34.54 | goibhniu | where do they all come from? |
16:37.28 | niv__ | well, a freind told me vi has a plugin to allow it to put me in the line I have a compile bug |
16:37.36 | niv__ | what is this plug? |
16:38.41 | goibhniu | in c I assume |
16:39.28 | goibhniu | hmm .. I think clist does that .. but that's built in |
16:40.01 | Leeds | niv__: quickfix |
16:42.43 | boudiccas | http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1816412007 ... colossus at Bletchley Park |
16:42.46 | niv__ | thanks |
16:43.04 | niv__ | oh ya Leeds - i now understand what linuxchicks - is |
16:43.06 | niv__ | thnaks mate |
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16:44.36 | niv_one_three | here again... |
16:52.48 | boudiccas | what! again?? |
17:04.02 | niv_one_three | almost forgot, I managed to panic my kernel while i was building packages |
17:04.13 | niv_one_three | i now see a line in ls |
17:04.30 | niv_one_three | that seems like a file with ?? all over |
17:04.41 | niv_one_three | I can't rmove this "file" |
17:05.10 | niv_one_three | a freind told me to boot of a usb thumb drive and fsck the partition |
17:05.28 | niv_one_three | pls tell me where I may find such an image |
17:06.04 | antiphase | jfgi |
17:06.16 | antiphase | Use a liveCD |
17:06.43 | niv_one_three | jfgi? |
17:07.02 | niv_one_three | I would rather boot of a usb - then cd... |
17:07.25 | antiphase | Which file system is fucked? |
17:07.39 | niv_one_three | reiserfs |
17:07.44 | niv_one_three | hi anti |
17:08.14 | antiphase | Reiserfs is shit, I wouldn't waste your time with it. Since you have though, I mean "Where is it mounted?" |
17:09.20 | wethrin | hello |
17:09.55 | niv_one_three | hi wethrin |
17:10.08 | Leeds | didn't resierfs kill ext2? |
17:10.20 | niv_one_three | wethrin , I need some tips as to the next linux gathering in the uni |
17:11.18 | wethrin | It'll happen |
17:11.30 | Leeds | which uni? |
17:12.49 | niv_one_three | ben guruin uni www.bgu.ac.il |
17:13.23 | niv_one_three | but now Niv need to finish the C assinment |
17:16.02 | Discordian | ext3 is still widely used |
17:16.24 | antiphase | ext3 rules. |
17:16.38 | Leeds | wethrin: niv is talking about a gathering at his Uni in Israel, not westminster |
17:16.44 | antiphase | All reiser killed was lots of people's data |
17:16.49 | antiphase | and his wife |
17:17.06 | niv_one_three | wife? |
17:17.11 | niv_one_three | which wife? |
17:17.32 | niv_one_three | is my data dead? NEED I PANIC NOW? |
17:17.35 | antiphase | I wasn't aware he had more than one |
17:17.45 | Leeds | niv_one_three: the main author of reiserFS - Hans Reiser - is currently on trial - or at least waiting to go on trial - for killing his wife |
17:18.07 | Discordian | I lost data last time I tried reiserfs |
17:18.30 | niv_one_three | was it reiser4 ? |
17:18.40 | wethrin | Leeds: Oh. I assemed he was talking about W'min |
17:18.49 | niv_one_three | I liked 4 , but sattled for the reiserfs.. |
17:18.50 | Discordian | No it was reiser 3 |
17:19.32 | niv_one_three | OH |
17:19.32 | wethrin | I never had a problem with ReiserFS |
17:19.32 | Leeds | wethrin: that's why I translated :-) |
17:19.32 | wethrin | thanks :) |
17:19.47 | Discordian | I use ext3 normally |
17:20.00 | antiphase | I've never understood why people use development file systems to hold their data |
17:20.00 | Discordian | oc2fs for some oracle stuff |
17:20.04 | niv_one_three | wethrin : how to solve issue of a few ppl turnin up to the linux user event that didnt use linux? |
17:20.12 | antiphase | It's like "Hey, I don't realy want this data" |
17:20.30 | niv_one_three | but reiser4 is quick |
17:20.36 | wethrin | niv_one_three: Give them a LiveCD |
17:20.41 | niv_one_three | and atomic - which is good - right? |
17:20.45 | Discordian | I've never lost data on ext2/3 except when the drive died |
17:20.53 | antiphase | How quick do you need it? |
17:21.03 | wethrin | I'd happily use Reiser for things like news spools |
17:21.12 | antiphase | We use XFS for news spools at work |
17:21.13 | niv_one_three | no wethrin, I mean , how to avoid having a "welcome to linux" 30 min every meeting? |
17:21.26 | wethrin | Simple: don't have one |
17:21.28 | Leeds | I wouldn't use reiser for anything now |
17:21.54 | niv_one_three | leeds: for real? |
17:22.05 | niv_one_three | leeds: jfs then? |
17:22.32 | Leeds | no |
17:22.34 | Leeds | ext3 |
17:22.35 | niv_one_three | wethrin: we do seek to have more ppl use linux, yet .. |
17:22.53 | niv_one_three | I foudn ext3 to be less sexy |
17:23.01 | niv_one_three | slower and such.. |
17:23.11 | antiphase | The speed of the file system is dominated by the speed of the disks it's on |
17:23.31 | niv_one_three | and how quick it can fix stuff? |
17:23.42 | antiphase | If it's not Reiser, it won't need fixing ;) |
17:24.10 | Discordian | ext3 is journalled anyway |
17:24.33 | antiphase | It's a fundamental part of your system, so reliability far outweighs minor speed considerations if you have any sense |
17:24.51 | wethrin | Depends what you store :) |
17:25.17 | antiphase | I've never yet had a requirement for unreliable storage :) |
17:25.26 | wethrin | heh |
17:25.46 | Discordian | If you ever do have might as well use /dev/null |
17:26.25 | wethrin | things like newsfeeds where the data doesn't particularly matter |
17:28.50 | niv_one_three | damn it - you are all making me feel bad |
17:28.53 | niv_one_three | nevermind |
17:29.07 | niv_one_three | will get to solving storage FS issues later |
17:29.29 | niv_one_three | any idea ppl where to get a rescue usb thumb drive iamge? |
17:31.06 | Leeds | tomsrtbt? |
17:31.44 | wethrin | toms++ |
17:31.52 | Discordian | There's a USB version of RIP (Recovery Is Possible) |
17:31.57 | antiphase | You should be able to fix it from single user mode if you have mad skillz |
17:33.01 | niv_one_three | I need to cp fsck to /boot |
17:33.17 | Discordian | Booting with init=/bin/sh works for me |
17:33.19 | niv_one_three | but dont remeber the init syntax to boot to /boot and stay there |
17:33.38 | Discordian | and then remount / etc read write |
17:33.39 | niv_one_three | thanks Discordian, yet fsck would need other files... |
17:34.42 | antiphase | It should be statically linked, check with ldd |
17:35.35 | Discordian | The version in /sbin should be static |
17:37.04 | wethrin | Should be, but generally isn't |
17:37.08 | wethrin | on Linux |
17:37.31 | wethrin | Which is one reason I get pissed off with Linux |
17:37.35 | Discordian | Hmmm well /sbin/fsck.ext3 is static on Fedora |
17:38.16 | wethrin | Hm. Some files are. |
17:38.22 | wethrin | But all files in /sbin should be |
17:38.27 | wethrin | ideally /bin too |
17:38.36 | wethrin | IT'S THE UNIX STANDARD, DAMMIT |
17:39.14 | niv_one_three | i see four dependencies |
17:39.25 | Discordian | for ? |
17:39.57 | niv_one_three | so I guess I should copy then too to /boot |
17:39.58 | niv_one_three | hmm |
17:40.09 | Discordian | what binary? |
17:40.10 | niv_one_three | linux-gate.so.1 => (0xffffe000) libuuid.so.1 => /lib/libuuid.so.1 (0xb7f31000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7e00000) |
17:40.20 | niv_one_three | /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f52000) |
17:40.39 | niv_one_three | /sbin/reiserfsck |
17:41.14 | Discordian | Somehow that figures |
17:41.58 | niv_one_three | lot of work - just to fix |
17:42.31 | Discordian | I don't believe reiserfs is a fs recommended for the / file-system |
17:42.42 | Discordian | For precisely that reason |
17:56.23 | highbury | reiserfs is designed for efficiency NOT recoverability, ext2/ext3 at least mostly keeps bits of files together |
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18:03.02 | wethrin | irssi! |
18:06.35 | niv_one_three | what do you call a number like 2,4,6,8 that divided with 2 |
18:06.47 | highbury_ | certainly it seems konversation is better than kopote |
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18:08.18 | wethrin | niv_one_three: even |
18:08.23 | niv_one_three | thanks |
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18:19.00 | zmey_g | hi all |
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18:39.14 | niv_one_three | girls that say no... |
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19:02.30 | niv_one_three | time to go |
19:02.51 | niv_one_three | see ya all for the next chapter tomorrow |
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21:33.46 | gw280 | YOU BUNCH OF WEIRDOS |
21:57.34 | wethrin | GEORGE! |
21:57.45 | gw280 | OH DEAR GODS |
21:57.54 | wethrin | HELLO |
21:57.57 | wethrin | HOW'S LIFE? |
21:58.13 | gw280 | FINE |
21:58.17 | wethrin | HURRAH |
21:58.18 | gw280 | I SWITCHED TO ZSH AND MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE |
21:58.46 | wethrin | DOES ZSH ONLY ALLOW UPPER CASE ASCII? |
21:58.51 | gw280 | NO |
21:58.57 | wethrin | OH |
21:59.01 | gw280 | IN FACT, I REMAPPED CAPS LOCK TO ESCAPE |
21:59.06 | wethrin | AHHH |
21:59.12 | wethrin | BIRD GOT YOUR SHIFT KEY? |
21:59.14 | gw280 | http://vm.gwright.org.uk/zshrc |
21:59.26 | gw280 | NO, I JUST HATE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM |
21:59.56 | wethrin | OH. EVEN YOURSELF? |
22:00.00 | gw280 | NO |
22:00.41 | wethrin | OH |
22:01.28 | hali | ssh -C as an alias? heard of .ssh/config? :) |
22:01.43 | hali | if you wanna be l33t and use zsh you shouldn't sink to such alias hacks |
22:01.45 | gw280 | hali: yeah, whatever |
22:02.02 | gw280 | hali: it's actually because I wanted to have 's' as an alias because I'm a lazy cunt |
22:02.17 | gw280 | hali: and I figured I'd put -C in there |
22:02.32 | gw280 | hali: and you can't set 's' as an alias for 'ssh' in .ssh/config |
22:02.36 | gw280 | so fuck right off |
22:02.42 | wethrin | You're so polite, gw280 |
22:02.54 | gw280 | I said I hated most people in here |
22:02.58 | gw280 | bunch of self righteous wankshafts |
22:03.22 | wethrin | You said you hated everyone. Not most people. |
22:03.29 | gw280 | whatever |
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22:03.42 | hali | hm |
22:03.45 | wethrin | Friendly chap |
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22:45.06 | goibhniu | yeah, zsh seems to be popular with the vimmers .. hmm |
22:47.28 | hali | i can only see one advantage with zsh, the superior globbing |
22:47.43 | hali | i.e. "/foo/*/bar/*.txt" |
22:48.28 | goibhniu | ah, I guess that could be good |
22:49.38 | goibhniu | I enjoy using bash more and more .. I feel like I'm just scratching the surface still |
22:49.55 | goibhniu | but I'm tempted to try ipython as a shell |
22:52.19 | goibhniu | I also wonder if hotwire is groovy: http://code.google.com/p/hotwire-shell/ |