IRC log for #gllug on 20071117

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13:16.53z00daxcan you smp a Q6600 ?
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13:31.38goibhniuvs NUMA?
13:32.39goibhniuisn't smp the norm?
13:32.50z00daxeh ?
13:32.59z00daxthe q6600 is the quad core on a 775 socket.
13:33.05goibhniuyep
13:33.11z00daxjust wondering if anyone other than supermicro makes a mobo that can smp these things
13:33.18z00daxthe supermicro board is $400
13:33.22z00daxa tad out of budget
13:33.34goibhniuoh, I don't understand
13:33.50z00daxand its a full size 19" mobo at that. so no chance of getting that into either a microATX or a miniATX cabinet
13:34.04z00daxit would need a 19" rack unit or a full height tower cabinet
13:41.38goibhniu.. from wikipedia "With the introduction of dual-core devices, SMP is found in most new desktop machines and in many laptop machines."
13:53.32highburyat about £160 they sound a bargain
13:55.13z00daxgoibhniu: i want dual socket
13:55.19z00daxso i get 8 cores in all
13:55.32goibhniuahh .. gotcha
13:56.34highburyI was considering putting one of them into a Shuttle box, but at over £250 for a SP35P2
13:56.59highburyof course you could try hunting round for a Quad socket!
13:57.29z00daxhighbury: like something from tyan for a opteron 8xxx ?
13:57.38z00daxi wonder how the barcelona chips are doing
13:58.08highburya tad too expensive for personal use
13:58.19z00daxjust a bit :D
13:59.50highburyI noticed that Tesco have a Quad base unit http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.202-2819.aspx
13:59.55highbury£679
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15:19.25mumperarternoon :)
15:20.02boudiccasafternoon mumper
15:20.43mumperboudiccas! Hi there - all's well, I trust?
15:21.01boudiccasyes, its a typical quiet saturday afternoon :)
15:21.40mumperThat it is - though my cat has just indicated an annoyance at my neglect ...
15:22.28boudiccas:)
15:23.36mumperright - cat's gone down to SWMBO for comfort so Ican get on with backing up odds and ends prior to cracking this SMART software ...
15:25.25mumperI have been very quiet as i have had some success in getting Gramps working tolerably well - but do families help? Nah!
15:30.24mumperPondering family matters triggers my addled memory: tell me, was there an arrival of a little squalling excreta fountain in your neck of the woods earlier this year? Or am I truly addled (entirely believable) ...
15:35.22mumperMust away ... keep well - byeeee :)
15:35.59boudiccasmumper; who are you talking to???
15:38.14haliand that children, thats why drugs are bad :)
15:39.20Armand|AFKdrugs are good.. they filter out the weak-minded from the useful. :P
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16:21.33dick_turpingoibhniu: X working well xterm working on getting KDE desktop
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16:33.07niv__"I look at all the lonly ppl"
16:34.54goibhniuwhere do they all come from?
16:37.28niv__well, a freind told me vi has a plugin to allow it to put me in the line I have a compile bug
16:37.36niv__what is this plug?
16:38.41goibhniuin c I assume
16:39.28goibhniuhmm .. I think clist does that .. but that's built in
16:40.01Leedsniv__: quickfix
16:42.43boudiccashttp://thescotsman.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1816412007 ... colossus at Bletchley Park
16:42.46niv__thanks
16:43.04niv__oh ya Leeds - i now understand what linuxchicks - is
16:43.06niv__thnaks mate
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16:44.36niv_one_threehere again...
16:52.48boudiccaswhat! again??
17:04.02niv_one_threealmost forgot, I managed to panic my kernel while i was building packages
17:04.13niv_one_threei now see a line in ls
17:04.30niv_one_threethat seems like a file with ?? all over
17:04.41niv_one_threeI can't rmove this "file"
17:05.10niv_one_threea freind told me to boot of a usb thumb drive and fsck the partition
17:05.28niv_one_threepls tell me where I may find such an image
17:06.04antiphasejfgi
17:06.16antiphaseUse a liveCD
17:06.43niv_one_threejfgi?
17:07.02niv_one_threeI would rather boot of a usb - then cd...
17:07.25antiphaseWhich file system is fucked?
17:07.39niv_one_threereiserfs
17:07.44niv_one_threehi anti
17:08.14antiphaseReiserfs is shit, I wouldn't waste your time with it. Since you have though, I mean "Where is it mounted?"
17:09.20wethrinhello
17:09.55niv_one_threehi wethrin
17:10.08Leedsdidn't resierfs kill ext2?
17:10.20niv_one_threewethrin , I need some tips as to the next linux gathering in the uni
17:11.18wethrinIt'll happen
17:11.30Leedswhich uni?
17:12.49niv_one_threeben guruin uni www.bgu.ac.il
17:13.23niv_one_threebut now Niv need to finish the C assinment
17:16.02Discordianext3 is still widely used
17:16.24antiphaseext3 rules.
17:16.38Leedswethrin: niv is talking about a gathering at his Uni in Israel, not westminster
17:16.44antiphaseAll reiser killed was lots of people's data
17:16.49antiphaseand his wife
17:17.06niv_one_threewife?
17:17.11niv_one_threewhich wife?
17:17.32niv_one_threeis my data dead? NEED I PANIC NOW?
17:17.35antiphaseI wasn't aware he had more than one
17:17.45Leedsniv_one_three: the main author of reiserFS - Hans Reiser - is currently on trial - or at least waiting to go on trial - for killing his wife
17:18.07DiscordianI lost data last time I tried reiserfs
17:18.30niv_one_threewas it reiser4 ?
17:18.40wethrinLeeds: Oh. I assemed he was talking about W'min
17:18.49niv_one_threeI liked 4 , but sattled for the reiserfs..
17:18.50DiscordianNo it was reiser 3
17:19.32niv_one_threeOH
17:19.32wethrinI never had a problem with ReiserFS
17:19.32Leedswethrin: that's why I translated :-)
17:19.32wethrinthanks :)
17:19.47DiscordianI use ext3 normally
17:20.00antiphaseI've never understood why people use development file systems to hold their data
17:20.00Discordianoc2fs for some oracle stuff
17:20.04niv_one_threewethrin : how to solve issue of a few ppl turnin up to the linux user event that didnt use linux?
17:20.12antiphaseIt's like "Hey, I don't realy want this data"
17:20.30niv_one_threebut reiser4 is quick
17:20.36wethrinniv_one_three: Give them a LiveCD
17:20.41niv_one_threeand atomic - which is good - right?
17:20.45DiscordianI've never lost data on ext2/3 except when the drive died
17:20.53antiphaseHow quick do you need it?
17:21.03wethrinI'd happily use Reiser for things like news spools
17:21.12antiphaseWe use XFS for news spools at work
17:21.13niv_one_threeno wethrin, I mean , how to avoid having a "welcome to linux" 30 min every meeting?
17:21.26wethrinSimple: don't have one
17:21.28LeedsI wouldn't use reiser for anything now
17:21.54niv_one_threeleeds: for real?
17:22.05niv_one_threeleeds: jfs then?
17:22.32Leedsno
17:22.34Leedsext3
17:22.35niv_one_threewethrin: we do seek to have more ppl use linux, yet ..
17:22.53niv_one_threeI foudn ext3 to be less sexy
17:23.01niv_one_threeslower and such..
17:23.11antiphaseThe speed of the file system is dominated by the speed of the disks it's on
17:23.31niv_one_threeand how quick it can fix stuff?
17:23.42antiphaseIf it's not Reiser, it won't need fixing ;)
17:24.10Discordianext3 is journalled anyway
17:24.33antiphaseIt's a fundamental part of your system, so reliability far outweighs minor speed considerations if you have any sense
17:24.51wethrinDepends what you store :)
17:25.17antiphaseI've never yet had a requirement for unreliable storage :)
17:25.26wethrinheh
17:25.46DiscordianIf you ever do have might as well use /dev/null
17:26.25wethrinthings like newsfeeds where the data doesn't particularly matter
17:28.50niv_one_threedamn it - you are all making me feel bad
17:28.53niv_one_threenevermind
17:29.07niv_one_threewill get to solving storage FS issues later
17:29.29niv_one_threeany idea ppl where to get a rescue usb thumb drive iamge?
17:31.06Leedstomsrtbt?
17:31.44wethrintoms++
17:31.52DiscordianThere's a USB version of RIP (Recovery Is Possible)
17:31.57antiphaseYou should be able to fix it from single user mode if you have mad skillz
17:33.01niv_one_threeI need to cp fsck to /boot
17:33.17DiscordianBooting with init=/bin/sh works for me
17:33.19niv_one_threebut dont remeber the init syntax to boot to /boot and stay there
17:33.38Discordianand then remount / etc read write
17:33.39niv_one_threethanks Discordian, yet fsck would need other files...
17:34.42antiphaseIt should be statically linked, check with ldd
17:35.35DiscordianThe version in /sbin should be static
17:37.04wethrinShould be, but generally isn't
17:37.08wethrinon Linux
17:37.31wethrinWhich is one reason I get pissed off with Linux
17:37.35DiscordianHmmm well /sbin/fsck.ext3 is static on Fedora
17:38.16wethrinHm. Some files are.
17:38.22wethrinBut all files in /sbin should be
17:38.27wethrinideally /bin too
17:38.36wethrinIT'S THE UNIX STANDARD, DAMMIT
17:39.14niv_one_threei see four dependencies
17:39.25Discordianfor ?
17:39.57niv_one_threeso I guess I should copy then too to /boot
17:39.58niv_one_threehmm
17:40.09Discordianwhat binary?
17:40.10niv_one_threelinux-gate.so.1 =>  (0xffffe000) libuuid.so.1 => /lib/libuuid.so.1 (0xb7f31000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0xb7e00000)
17:40.20niv_one_three/lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb7f52000)
17:40.39niv_one_three/sbin/reiserfsck
17:41.14DiscordianSomehow that figures
17:41.58niv_one_threelot of work - just to fix
17:42.31DiscordianI don't believe reiserfs is a fs recommended for the / file-system
17:42.42DiscordianFor precisely that reason
17:56.23highburyreiserfs is designed for efficiency NOT recoverability, ext2/ext3 at least mostly keeps bits of files together
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18:03.02wethrinirssi!
18:06.35niv_one_threewhat do you call a number like 2,4,6,8 that divided with 2
18:06.47highbury_certainly it seems konversation is better than kopote
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18:08.18wethrinniv_one_three: even
18:08.23niv_one_threethanks
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18:19.00zmey_ghi all
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18:39.14niv_one_threegirls that say no...
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19:02.30niv_one_threetime to go
19:02.51niv_one_threesee ya all for the next chapter tomorrow
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21:33.46gw280YOU BUNCH OF WEIRDOS
21:57.34wethrinGEORGE!
21:57.45gw280OH DEAR GODS
21:57.54wethrinHELLO
21:57.57wethrinHOW'S LIFE?
21:58.13gw280FINE
21:58.17wethrinHURRAH
21:58.18gw280I SWITCHED TO ZSH AND MY LIFE IS NOW COMPLETE
21:58.46wethrinDOES ZSH ONLY ALLOW UPPER CASE ASCII?
21:58.51gw280NO
21:58.57wethrinOH
21:59.01gw280IN FACT, I REMAPPED CAPS LOCK TO ESCAPE
21:59.06wethrinAHHH
21:59.12wethrinBIRD GOT YOUR SHIFT KEY?
21:59.14gw280http://vm.gwright.org.uk/zshrc
21:59.26gw280NO, I JUST HATE EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM
21:59.56wethrinOH. EVEN YOURSELF?
22:00.00gw280NO
22:00.41wethrinOH
22:01.28halissh -C as an alias? heard of .ssh/config? :)
22:01.43haliif you wanna be l33t and use zsh you shouldn't sink to such alias hacks
22:01.45gw280hali: yeah, whatever
22:02.02gw280hali: it's actually because I wanted to have 's' as an alias because I'm a lazy cunt
22:02.17gw280hali: and I figured I'd put -C in there
22:02.32gw280hali: and you can't set 's' as an alias for 'ssh' in .ssh/config
22:02.36gw280so fuck right off
22:02.42wethrinYou're so polite, gw280
22:02.54gw280I said I hated most people in here
22:02.58gw280bunch of self righteous wankshafts
22:03.22wethrinYou said you hated everyone. Not most people.
22:03.29gw280whatever
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22:03.42halihm
22:03.45wethrinFriendly chap
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22:45.06goibhniuyeah, zsh seems to be popular with the vimmers .. hmm
22:47.28halii can only see one advantage with zsh, the superior globbing
22:47.43halii.e. "/foo/*/bar/*.txt"
22:48.28goibhniuah, I guess that could be good
22:49.38goibhniuI enjoy using bash more and more .. I feel like I'm just scratching the surface still
22:49.55goibhniubut I'm tempted to try ipython as a shell
22:52.19goibhniuI also wonder if hotwire is groovy: http://code.google.com/p/hotwire-shell/

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