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| 09:55.56 | goibhniu | keithlard .. re: wtf ebuyer .. I'm glad to hear it .. I'm gonna send them some hatemail soon too |
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| 11:34.55 | zmey_g | morning all |
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| 12:37.04 | dick_turpin | ibot: wake everyone up |
| 12:37.05 | ibot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everyone up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 12:38.03 | zmey_g | hi |
| 12:38.05 | wethrin | what? |
| 12:38.27 | zmey_g | where? |
| 12:38.42 | wethrin | on the stair? |
| 12:38.46 | dick_turpin | Where was everyone last night? |
| 12:39.14 | wethrin | I was listening to Humph play jazz |
| 12:39.28 | dick_turpin | There's me at Wolves-Lug meet saying everyone on #gllug was more friendly |
| 12:39.59 | dick_turpin | I go and login and its like the bloody Marie Celeste |
| 12:41.04 | wethrin | heh |
| 12:41.10 | wethrin | #gllug more friendly that what? |
| 12:41.13 | zmey_g | zmey_g: found this "Banco de Gaia" trance music and been lost ever since. |
| 12:43.53 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Dear Sir, we have discovered a security hole in your Banco de gaia account please login and update your account details |
| 12:44.50 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Well I was gonna say them until I gave it some serious thought ;-) |
| 12:45.05 | wethrin | :-) |
| 12:45.05 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: :) |
| 12:45.15 | wethrin | ibot insult dick_turpin |
| 12:45.36 | blight | ibot insult jcookeman |
| 12:45.49 | dick_turpin | ibot: hit wethrin |
| 12:45.50 | ibot | ACTION kicks wethrin. |
| 12:45.56 | jcookeman | ibot insult ibot |
| 12:46.05 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: take this http://sharefolder.co.uk/Banco%20de%20Gaia-Video/Last%20Train%20to%20Lhasa.mov |
| 12:46.05 | jcookeman | that's right ho |
| 12:46.59 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Thanks but I've no way of playing it at the moment |
| 12:47.55 | zmey_g | no rush you can hack my site instead and watch it later |
| 12:48.54 | dick_turpin | I saw an ipmi (Intelligent Platform Management Interface) demonstration last night, fecking awesome |
| 12:59.01 | huw-l | IPMI is nice when it works |
| 13:03.00 | dick_turpin | huw-l: It was working when Adam could remember the passwords |
| 13:04.41 | huw-l | hah |
| 13:04.51 | huw-l | this is adam-a presumably? |
| 13:05.59 | dick_turpin | huw-l: No, Adam Sweet |
| 13:06.49 | huw-l | too many adams |
| 13:08.02 | boudiccas | an adam a day keeps the doctor away |
| 13:13.36 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Just watched it, pretty cool some of the images are disturbing (I must be getting soft in my old age) |
| 13:14.57 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: indeed, i was shocked by the video and the trance tune. |
| 13:16.00 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Hm I wonder if I can convert it and get it on my ipod? |
| 13:16.12 | zmey_g | yes |
| 13:16.18 | zmey_g | why not? |
| 13:16.34 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Coz I don't know how :-D |
| 13:16.51 | zmey_g | the quality should be ok |
| 13:17.24 | zmey_g | i never did it on linux, but i did it with Mac |
| 13:18.11 | zmey_g | i'm sure some soles out here know the answer |
| 13:18.14 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Well I just watched it on XP Pro using Nero Show Time |
| 13:19.08 | zmey_g | cant you do it with nero? |
| 13:20.08 | zmey_g | i did it with apple Toast, they are similar. |
| 13:20.11 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Possibly googleing now |
| 13:20.34 | boudiccas | zmey_g; hwy should shoes or feet know the answer??? |
| 13:20.39 | boudiccas | *why |
| 13:21.28 | zmey_g | boudiccas: soles |
| 13:22.32 | boudiccas | zmey_g; souls |
| 13:22.52 | boudiccas | soles are part of the foot or footwear |
| 13:23.02 | boudiccas | or a type of fish |
| 13:23.30 | zmey_g | boudiccas: thanks. it all my illiteracy is to blame. Not me. |
| 13:23.50 | boudiccas | you're welsome |
| 13:24.03 | bilarh | anyone read 'the art of war'? |
| 13:24.09 | zmey_g | boudiccas: i will check it in my dictionary |
| 13:24.25 | dick_turpin | bilarh: No |
| 13:24.38 | bilarh | dick_turpin: do i look bovvered, tho!? |
| 13:25.13 | bilarh | dick_turpin: BOVVERRRRED!?!?!??! |
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| 13:26.25 | bilarh | tesco's own brand |
| 13:29.18 | boudiccas | can somebody lob me a couple of cans/pints of shepherd neames master brew. i want to get legless |
| 13:29.55 | wethrin | Get some whisky |
| 13:30.01 | bilarh | boudiccas: you don't want to drink that rubbish... here's some white lightning |
| 13:30.19 | boudiccas | i wish it were true |
| 13:30.22 | wethrin | Don't trust what the Norwegian gives you! |
| 13:30.55 | boudiccas | do i get the top half or the bottom half bilarh ??? |
| 13:31.21 | bilarh | boudiccas: you can have the part i've had already.. it will taste the same once it comes back out |
| 13:31.57 | boudiccas | lol |
| 13:33.04 | bilarh | so, i note with some glee that i made some money yesterday betting against england in the qualifiers ;-) |
| 13:33.42 | wethrin | heh |
| 13:37.40 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: I think I've done it, wont know till I get home |
| 13:38.07 | zmey_g | how did you do it? |
| 13:39.15 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: i don't use ipod but curious. which program did you use |
| 13:39.23 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Nero.Don't ask me how, its all wizards to me |
| 13:39.31 | zmey_g | ok |
| 13:39.58 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Its now converted to mp4 |
| 13:40.11 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; you into magical stuff now? working with wizards?? |
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| 13:40.45 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I'm into anything that gives you a bang ;-) |
| 13:40.51 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: cool, i have the other videos there. you can check if you wish |
| 13:41.05 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: where? |
| 13:41.15 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; that gives /me/ a bang??? |
| 13:41.36 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; fireworks are recommended then |
| 13:41.37 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Yeah yeah smarty pants |
| 13:41.56 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; you can see all that distance??? |
| 13:41.59 | zmey_g | www.sharefolder.co.uk/Banco de Gaia-Video/ |
| 13:42.42 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I cant I just cant, I'm dying to, but I cant, my lips are sealed |
| 13:43.55 | zmey_g | sorry http://sharefolder.co.uk/Banco%20de%20Gaia-Video/ |
| 13:44.53 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; wish i could see you with your lips sealed :)))) |
| 13:45.16 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: So have you tracked these down off the net or something? |
| 13:45.38 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; the expression on your face must be a picture |
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| 13:45.54 | boudiccas | need mmore coffee |
| 13:46.08 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: this is from there official web site, but download there painfully slow |
| 13:46.52 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Ah, downloading the Feregnistan one now |
| 13:47.14 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: good choice |
| 13:47.41 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Dunno not seen any of them yet |
| 13:48.15 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: i've been listening to this album. nice |
| 13:49.34 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: I've been listening to The Skids here at work, we have a 17 year old girl here, she said "who are they?" |
| 13:50.12 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: I told her and said "You won't know them" she said "No seeing as you are 137 years old" fecking bitch |
| 13:50.44 | wethrin | Ha! |
| 13:50.57 | zmey_g | yeah she's right |
| 13:51.06 | zmey_g | i feel the same |
| 13:51.07 | dick_turpin | wethrin: You think thats funny aye? |
| 13:51.22 | wethrin | Yes. |
| 13:51.27 | dick_turpin | wethrin: its coming |
| 13:51.47 | dick_turpin | gimme W |
| 13:51.58 | dick_turpin | gimme an E |
| 13:52.01 | wethrin | Look what you've done! |
| 13:52.02 | zmey_g | i like to listen to Yello. which makes me 150 years old |
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| 13:52.18 | dick_turpin | gimme B |
| 13:52.31 | wethrin | /ignore dick_turpin |
| 13:52.43 | zmey_g | or maybe even dead. |
| 13:52.44 | dick_turpin | wethrin: Had enough or do you want some more? |
| 13:53.03 | zmey_g | sure dead. |
| 13:54.12 | bilarh | dick_turpin: ooh a magicall stall... what can i have for 58p? |
| 13:54.38 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Nothing you tight bastard get the folding stuff out |
| 13:55.01 | bilarh | but i only made 58p yesterday :( |
| 13:55.13 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You was robbed |
| 13:55.22 | bilarh | that's it, i'm going for a pee and a coffee isntead |
| 13:56.21 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You could buy wethrin's seat he appears to have vacated it |
| 14:01.55 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i could have told you were 137 years old just by looking at your picture |
| 14:05.18 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Hm at least I can have plastic surgery feck knows what you can do ;-P |
| 14:06.59 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i use the brown paper bag method quite successfully |
| 14:08.55 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I know someone who got away with that one, told the girl he was kinky, god she must have been thick |
| 14:09.27 | bilarh | hehe :P |
| 14:10.27 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: I didn't like Feregnistan :( |
| 14:12.00 | dick_turpin | ibot: tell wethrin I'm incredibly sorry and I wont sleep tonight if he continues to ignore me |
| 14:13.01 | bilarh | dick_turpin: a clever way of getting around ignores is like this |
| 14:13.15 | bilarh | dick_turpin: you are a muppet |
| 14:13.24 | bilarh | s/y/y/ |
| 14:13.40 | bilarh | ok, it would have been a clever way, had i not been stupid :) |
| 14:13.44 | bilarh | s/ok/not/ |
| 14:13.52 | bilarh | ibot: thank you |
| 14:13.53 | ibot | bilarh: sure thing |
| 14:14.00 | bilarh | ibot: no really, thank you |
| 14:14.15 | wethrin | hi? |
| 14:14.41 | bilarh | man i am *so* tired |
| 14:14.57 | bilarh | dick_turpin: not in the xteddy way? |
| 14:15.02 | bilarh | xteddy: hug dick_turpin |
| 14:15.03 | xteddy | brb |
| 14:15.13 | antiphase | xteddy: rape dick_turpin |
| 14:15.14 | xteddy | hmm? |
| 14:15.21 | bilarh | lol |
| 14:15.24 | wethrin | having xteddy on ignore++ |
| 14:15.39 | wethrin | So, go on then....how many people like xteddy? |
| 14:15.43 | bilarh | why, it's a harmless bot |
| 14:15.50 | antiphase | s/harm/use/ |
| 14:15.51 | bilarh | i find it annoying but strangely funny at the same time |
| 14:16.30 | dick_turpin | I like it at least its friendly |
| 14:16.36 | wethrin | ibot hug dick_turpin |
| 14:16.37 | ibot | ACTION jumps into dick_turpin's lap and huggles and *hugs* dick_turpin |
| 14:16.47 | wethrin | well, there we go |
| 14:16.54 | wethrin | ibot kill dick_turpin |
| 14:16.54 | ibot | ACTION shoots a excited pseudoproton gun at dick_turpin |
| 14:17.01 | wethrin | See. Does so much more |
| 14:17.04 | bilarh | ibot: it's *an* |
| 14:17.05 | wethrin | ~wiki Dick Turpin |
| 14:17.10 | antiphase | ibot kill xteddy |
| 14:17.11 | ibot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized pseudophoton gun at xteddy |
| 14:17.17 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: it's ok check the others. |
| 14:18.08 | bilarh | i went to a health and safety course yesterday |
| 14:18.12 | dick_turpin | OK so you made your point I am in fact 268 years old :-P |
| 14:18.18 | wethrin | you poor fellow |
| 14:18.21 | bilarh | and oh my effin hell, what a load of bollox h&s is |
| 14:18.22 | wethrin | (to bilarh) |
| 14:18.33 | wethrin | Yes, it's mostly common sense |
| 14:18.39 | bilarh | no, it's worse than that! |
| 14:18.51 | wethrin | "Do not climb onto office chairs while wearing ice skates" |
| 14:18.52 | wethrin | Well, DUH |
| 14:18.56 | dick_turpin | I was waiting for you to say you slipped and broke your leg |
| 14:19.01 | bilarh | it's like.. you take the good things from common sense, but then you take the points to the extreme and the whole system breaks down |
| 14:19.40 | wethrin | Yup |
| 14:19.44 | bilarh | i wonder how the instructor is brave enough to get out of bed in the mornings, because like he was going on we're all going to be crippled by the time we're 50 (unless we die before then) |
| 14:19.49 | wethrin | indeed |
| 14:20.21 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Easy seeing as he is probably charging 600 a pop for the course |
| 14:20.54 | bilarh | example: he was banging on about lifting stuff... and one of us dropped the pen on the floor and he said "ah, i saw you *bend* *down* and pick the pen up, without getting off the chair and bending your knees!!! DID YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS BAD FOR YOUR BACK!?!?!??!" |
| 14:21.09 | bilarh | seriously, he said we should all get up, and bend down properly to pick up a fecking pen!~ |
| 14:21.16 | bilarh | or a pint glass on the side of the chair |
| 14:21.17 | bilarh | fsf |
| 14:21.30 | bilarh | the worst part was this... he's an ambulance crew trainer |
| 14:21.58 | wethrin | sigh |
| 14:21.59 | bilarh | and he mentioned that nowadays they often get problems with people being too heavy, so they need to wait for a second ambulance crew to come to the scene if they need to carry the patient anywhere |
| 14:22.04 | wethrin | Picking up heavy objects....fair enough |
| 14:22.12 | bilarh | too heavy > 13 stones |
| 14:22.51 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Any idea what company he was from? two of our customers are H&S instructors and they go all over the UK |
| 14:23.17 | bilarh | so i was feeling a bit pissed off already about the sillyness and i asked "so, what do you do if you get to the scene and there's someone having a heart attack and he's a bit heavier than 13 stones... do you still wait even though the patient is almsot sure to die?" |
| 14:23.25 | bilarh | and you can obviously guess the answer "yes" |
| 14:23.29 | bilarh | me: "wtf?!" |
| 14:23.41 | bilarh | him: it's better that the patient dies than you injure yourself |
| 14:23.55 | bilarh | like what the hell has h&s come to if that's the case!? |
| 14:24.14 | bilarh | dick_turpin: st johns ambulance... it was only 75 quid a pop for half a day |
| 14:24.28 | bilarh | i felt like calling him a spineless git |
| 14:25.13 | dick_turpin | bilarh: I was in St John's when I was a kid, based at New Cross |
| 14:25.26 | bilarh | dick_turpin: this one was in marelybone |
| 14:25.45 | bilarh | dick_turpin: i'm sure st johns is not to blame, but this trainer was a complete tool... |
| 14:26.08 | bilarh | i don't often feel anger towards people i haven't really met before, but dear me, i would have wanted to smack him :) |
| 14:26.12 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You're very harsh, they do a good job for all the vomit they can get at public events |
| 14:26.48 | antiphase | They shouldn't do it if they're worried about being injured in the course of saving life |
| 14:26.59 | bilarh | dick_turpin: he trains nhs crews as well |
| 14:27.02 | antiphase | Gives a new meaning to "ambulance chaser" |
| 14:27.15 | boudiccas | i was in st john up till 6 years ago. they gave me a medal for long service, having been in for about 15 years |
| 14:27.21 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I only did it so I could get into concerts etc for free :) |
| 14:28.05 | bilarh | oh, and then he said that quite often, him and his chums stand outside the emergency units and laugh at new crews trying to lift a patient in a wheel chair out from the ambulance, as apparently the wheel chair collapses if you lift it in the wrong place (squashing the patient) |
| 14:28.14 | bilarh | h&s nazi |
| 14:28.16 | boudiccas | that was a side effect of membership |
| 14:28.58 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Now thats funny where can I see that? |
| 14:29.07 | bilarh | like i said, i'm sure most of st johns is good, but this individual certainly sounded like he'd got the idea of h&s the wrong way around |
| 14:29.16 | bilarh | dick_turpin: yeah but you're a cunt as well ;-) |
| 14:29.25 | boudiccas | h&s means covering your arse! |
| 14:29.34 | dick_turpin | bilarh: And your point is? |
| 14:29.47 | bilarh | dick_turpin: none really, i just haven't said that for a while ;-) |
| 14:29.59 | bilarh | boudiccas: was it the same in the nhs? |
| 14:30.50 | bilarh | boudiccas: my grand mother in law was in hospital for a while, and she fell over in the bath room, and the two nurses that were with her would not lift her up (she's about 1m40cm tall and weighs probably less than 45kg)... |
| 14:30.59 | boudiccas | no, the patient came first and nurses were epected to protect the patient. consequently when a patiuent fell an di ended up underneath him on the ground, the consultant was more concerned about the patient than me |
| 14:31.08 | bilarh | they stood around until the head nurse walked into the ward and lifted her up by herself |
| 14:31.57 | bilarh | boudiccas: were you alright in the end? |
| 14:32.46 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Course he was how could that fat head get damaged? |
| 14:36.25 | boudiccas | bilarh; yes, i was just winded, the patient was surprised that he fell :)))) |
| 14:37.16 | bilarh | boudiccas: cool :) |
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| 15:09.32 | Provito | grrr, I've just had a client complain that I answer emails correctly, i.e respond to their questions in the email rather than typing it out all at the head |
| 15:09.52 | Provito | and the fact that it is in plain text, how about they learn how to use email correctly |
| 15:14.33 | cpufreak | You mean you don't use 4colours? |
| 15:14.51 | cpufreak | and annoying things to draw attentoin to various bits? |
| 15:15.24 | bilarh | oh you bugger, i now need to type 60 lines of text to get rid of that blink |
| 15:16.11 | murb | bilarh: /clear |
| 15:16.18 | cpufreak | :D |
| 15:16.20 | cpufreak | :D |
| 15:18.06 | bilarh | murb: but that deletes everything else as well |
| 15:18.16 | bilarh | oh, it's possible to still scroll up :D |
| 15:18.18 | bilarh | ignore me |
| 15:18.25 | murb | ./ignore bilarh |
| 15:20.11 | Provito | cpufreak, I'm simply replying and stating that I'm right |
| 15:20.50 | bilarh | provito: smooth ;-) |
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| 16:17.26 | aguaithefreak | cpufreak: how do you do that colour thing!!! |
| 16:17.39 | aguaithefreak | cpufreak: so cool |
| 16:22.35 | antiphase | 13BUH |
| 16:22.47 | aguaithefreak | BUH? |
| 16:22.51 | antiphase | Bring on the angry fruit salad |
| 16:24.38 | cpufreak | 12345678910 |
| 16:24.58 | cpufreak | 1a2b3c4d5e6f7g8h9i1k0l |
| 16:25.23 | murb | this channel is beginning to resemble a booting gentoo system. |
| 16:25.32 | wethrin | ibot gentoo |
| 16:25.32 | ibot | hmm... gentoo is foo |
| 16:25.36 | wethrin | ibot foo |
| 16:25.37 | ibot | foo is, like, bar |
| 16:25.40 | wethrin | ibot bar |
| 16:25.41 | ibot | from memory, bar is baz or a friend of foo |
| 16:25.49 | cpufreak | sorry murb :) |
| 16:26.16 | wethrin | Does gnetoo boot in colour? |
| 16:31.21 | jcookeman | Isn't Gentoo considered the penile extension lInux? |
| 16:33.56 | wethrin | yes |
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| 16:34.35 | murb | http://web.archive.org/web/20060513022941/http://www.funroll-loops.org |
| 16:34.45 | wethrin | Mmm, funroll loops |
| 16:35.00 | antiphase | -O99 -pipe |
| 16:35.05 | wethrin | -crack |
| 16:35.12 | antiphase | ITYM -mcrack |
| 16:36.19 | wethrin | So I do |
| 16:37.46 | wethrin | careless |
| 16:43.19 | cpufreak | wethrin: yeh I know.. I'd love to do a talk |
| 16:43.31 | cpufreak | I'll have some good subject matter to talk on about in the new year |
| 16:44.23 | wethrin | neat. How's late January suit you? |
| 16:45.45 | cpufreak | depends on when I'm skiing |
| 16:46.13 | wethrin | nod |
| 16:46.30 | wethrin | When's that? :) |
| 16:46.30 | cpufreak | I'll prod my friends and see when I'm going |
| 16:46.34 | wethrin | nodnod |
| 16:46.35 | cpufreak | murb: I've 3 weeks planned already |
| 16:46.43 | murb | cpufreak: make it a month |
| 16:46.53 | cpufreak | I only get 5 weeks holiday in a year |
| 16:46.56 | wethrin | Can't afford geekski :( |
| 16:47.03 | murb | wethrin: even geekski.at? |
| 16:48.26 | wethrin | yeah |
| 16:48.42 | wethrin | blarg |
| 16:49.48 | murb | wethrin: can't you get a job first? |
| 16:49.53 | murb | and then sort of never finish? |
| 16:50.09 | niv_one_three | wethrin: I just "lost" my job |
| 16:50.12 | wethrin | nah, that'd be silly |
| 16:50.18 | murb | niv_one_three: behind the sofa! |
| 16:50.44 | murb | ? |
| 16:52.06 | niv_one_three | nothing like being fired , getting the compinsation - and going back to uni |
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| 16:52.20 | niv_one_three | I now must do this assigmnet |
| 16:52.27 | niv_one_three | ~seen Leeds |
| 16:52.29 | ibot | leeds <n=rcohen@210.5.166.114> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 1d 6h 55m 52s ago, saying: 'yeah... I didn't mean help with the assignment. I meant help getting of IRC :-)'. |
| 16:52.44 | niv_one_three | probably getting laid... |
| 16:53.08 | murb | niv_one_three: fired? or made redudant for economic/business reasons? |
| 16:53.25 | murb | fired implies some fault on your part and this channel is publically/googleble loged. |
| 16:53.30 | niv_one_three | call it what you will - as long as I get the $$ |
| 16:59.52 | wethrin | :() { :|:& };: |
| 17:07.44 | murb | wethrin: bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable |
| 17:08.53 | wethrin | you can haz ulimit? |
| 17:08.57 | niv_one_three | short help: how to dump what I get from running pon to a file |
| 17:09.08 | wethrin | Does it work without spaces, murb? |
| 17:09.12 | niv_one_three | I see it all over the screen and the >> fil.log aint doing it |
| 17:09.14 | wethrin | pon > file |
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| 17:10.14 | niv_one_three | pon bgu debug dump logfd 2 nodetach >>bgu.pptp.err.log |
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| 17:10.19 | niv_one_three | doesnt work :-( |
| 17:10.46 | murb | wethrin: i have sensible resource limits yes. |
| 17:10.57 | wethrin | pon 2>&1 > file |
| 17:11.08 | wethrin | murb: Good plan |
| 17:11.13 | wethrin | So, does it work without the spaces? |
| 17:11.23 | niv_one_three | thanks mate , never remember th syntax, I know I allready asked it three times... |
| 17:11.39 | murb | wethrin: it shouldn't. |
| 17:11.52 | murb | i think {} need spaces, although icbw |
| 17:11.53 | wethrin | mmm |
| 17:30.23 | niv_one_three | how to undo in vim ? |
| 17:30.29 | niv_one_three | (I am SO lazy...) |
| 17:32.15 | jcookeman | u |
| 17:32.50 | jcookeman | from insert mode go to command mode with <esc> and then 'u' |
| 17:35.16 | niv_one_three | thanks |
| 17:42.00 | antiphase | :%d |
| 17:42.01 | antiphase | ZZ |
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| 19:42.34 | highbury | phew, I haven't collected email from one of my accounts since mid september, now there's 19,000 items of mail to retrieve! |
| 19:42.48 | wethrin | It's probably mostly spam |
| 19:43.28 | highbury | yep + I belong to a few mauiling lists |
| 19:43.42 | wethrin | mauling lists? :) |
| 19:43.51 | highbury | that's discussion groups about hawaii :-) |
| 19:43.57 | highbury | not! |
| 19:48.13 | wethrin | heh |
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| 21:13.16 | eeyore_ | Anyone have any suggestions about the best way to clone a linux install across multiple machines |
| 21:13.35 | cpufreak | dd |
| 21:13.38 | wethrin | dd |
| 21:13.47 | wethrin | dd and netcat, even |
| 21:13.55 | Discordian | Depends what distro |
| 21:14.04 | eeyore_ | the current install includes a windows partition I don't want cloned and the necessary grub config to dual boot. |
| 21:14.14 | eeyore_ | fedora 8 |
| 21:14.18 | wethrin | dd the partition and partition table |
| 21:14.33 | Discordian | Then I'd use the kickstart file |
| 21:14.36 | Discordian | and kickstart |
| 21:14.57 | eeyore_ | is there anything that is likely to be relatively painless? |
| 21:15.10 | eeyore_ | even maybe, point and click. |
| 21:15.11 | eeyore_ | :) |
| 21:15.19 | wethrin | Ghost |
| 21:15.31 | hali | kickstart yes |
| 21:15.43 | hali | or simply dump |
| 21:15.50 | eeyore_ | any idea if ghost boot disk works okay with linux and grub? |
| 21:15.51 | wethrin | Linus doesn't like dump |
| 21:16.10 | hali | boot the slave nodes in single mode from a live cd, partition and do an ssh pipe dump |
| 21:16.10 | eeyore_ | ie, whether grub would boot afterwards |
| 21:16.20 | hali | and install grub |
| 21:16.44 | eeyore_ | my current set up is have 3 dual boot machines with an old copy of fedora on |
| 21:16.46 | hali | but using kickstart to deploy boxes is probably better, at least if we are talking 2+ machines |
| 21:17.08 | eeyore_ | and 1 dual boot machine with a fedora 8 install that took me ages to set up. |
| 21:17.21 | wethrin | hali: Yes, however it does mean you have to run RedHat |
| 21:17.24 | eeyore_ | that i want to blast onto the old partitions. |
| 21:17.31 | wethrin | and, frankly, I'd rather cut off my left leg |
| 21:17.36 | Discordian | Hmmm lots of post install config? |
| 21:17.41 | eeyore_ | yes |
| 21:17.45 | eeyore_ | and broken jpackage |
| 21:18.03 | hali | wethrin: debian supports kickstart |
| 21:18.14 | hali | wethrin: seed can read kickstart syntax |
| 21:18.25 | cpufreak | Ubuntu has autoinstall too. |
| 21:18.26 | hali | but seed is better on debian systems yes |
| 21:18.40 | Discordian | dump then restore then might be best |
| 21:20.15 | eeyore_ | ubuntu contains gparted, i wish fedora did that |
| 21:20.26 | Discordian | ! |
| 21:20.29 | hali | fdisk is all you need |
| 21:20.33 | Discordian | Fedora has gparted |
| 21:21.17 | Discordian | and kparted andf |
| 21:21.21 | Discordian | qtparted |
| 21:21.28 | eeyore_ | not in the install disc |
| 21:21.45 | Discordian | The DVD? |
| 21:21.47 | eeyore_ | install sequence |
| 21:21.51 | eeyore_ | i suppose i should say |
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| 21:22.07 | Discordian | Well no |
| 21:23.01 | eeyore_ | even after trying gparted and then downloading a newer copy and repartitioning the systme |
| 21:23.09 | eeyore_ | the fedora DVD crashed during install |
| 21:23.25 | eeyore_ | Almost enough to make me want to use Ubuntu |
| 21:23.37 | Discordian | Hmmm F8 worked for me without problems |
| 21:23.53 | eeyore_ | hardware differs. |
| 21:23.55 | eeyore_ | :) |
| 21:24.07 | Discordian | Surely |
| 21:24.19 | Discordian | This is a feb 2007 vintage laptop |
| 21:26.17 | eeyore_ | maybe i try ghost, with a test install onto a less important machine |
| 21:26.32 | eeyore_ | and if that doesn't work i try something harder |
| 21:26.36 | eeyore_ | when you say use kickstart |
| 21:26.50 | Discordian | The HAL layer may prove problematic if they differ widely |
| 21:27.15 | eeyore_ | do you mean actually write the entire script to set up the machine from scratch in a kickstart file, or does kickstart have some cloning feature? |
| 21:27.41 | Discordian | There will be a kickstart config file in /root |
| 21:28.02 | eeyore_ | so i still have to do all the stuff post install to configure the machine |
| 21:28.09 | eeyore_ | which actually is where all the time is :) |
| 21:28.13 | eeyore_ | so that doesn't help much! |
| 21:28.16 | Discordian | anaconda-kscffg |
| 21:28.51 | Discordian | Are the machines identical? |
| 21:29.00 | eeyore_ | no. |
| 21:29.12 | Discordian | You've lucked out then |
| 21:29.13 | eeyore_ | I was going to rely on kudzu and HAL |
| 21:29.25 | eeyore_ | i've done it before but a long long time ago |
| 21:29.29 | eeyore_ | and it worked okay |
| 21:29.32 | Discordian | Then use kickstart |
| 21:29.48 | eeyore_ | the thing I don't understand is what you mean exactly |
| 21:29.50 | Discordian | or possibly clone em |
| 21:29.50 | hali | yes, it works fine without identical machines, X may fuck up but everything else is usualy fine |
| 21:30.00 | eeyore_ | ok will try ghost |
| 21:32.22 | eeyore_ | the stuff i want to clone is fixing the broken jpackage dependancies and conf, installing and configuring an alternative java, installing the 32bit wrapper for firefox plugins to get flash working, modifying a bunch of configs, installing a bunch of custom files, tools etc, |
| 21:32.50 | eeyore_ | using kickstart to that, basically just involves writing a massive script, but if I had a script to automate it all I wouldn't need to clone in the first place. |
| 21:32.59 | eeyore_ | AFAIK |
| 21:33.45 | Discordian | If it all just worked TM you'd be out of a job |
| 21:34.53 | eeyore_ | I see what you are saying, but i'm actually a software developer so the more time I spend on this the less time i'm actually doing my job. |
| 21:35.05 | wethrin | Make it someone else's problem |
| 21:35.12 | eeyore_ | :) |
| 21:35.13 | wethrin | It's why you have a pet sysadmin.... |
| 21:35.16 | eeyore_ | i like your thinking ;) |
| 21:35.46 | Discordian | i'd hack up a post install script to run from kickstart |
| 21:36.23 | eeyore_ | maybe you are right. |
| 21:36.27 | eeyore_ | though kickstart buys me nothing |
| 21:36.39 | eeyore_ | apart from less time to see that the script has maybe gone wrong :) |
| 21:37.11 | eeyore_ | i can see it's useful for massive office deploys where you maintain a lot of custom stuff well. |
| 21:37.14 | eeyore_ | and maybe have a sysadmin |
| 21:37.36 | Discordian | Well I've always used it for servers |
| 21:37.43 | eeyore_ | sounds sensible |
| 21:37.45 | Discordian | and I am a sysadmin by trade |
| 21:38.02 | eeyore_ | I always used to ghost windows |
| 21:38.13 | eeyore_ | but since switching to linux for development/desktops |
| 21:38.20 | eeyore_ | i don't really have so much faith that it will work |
| 21:38.35 | Discordian | I've never used ghost |
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| 22:51.34 | Ch0Hag | It'll work just fine but is unnecessary. |
| 22:51.47 | Ch0Hag | Not only will you never need it, but a tarball and a grub boot disc is just better. |
| 22:52.01 | wethrin | cpio, surely? |
| 22:52.20 | Ch0Hag | s/tar/<whatever-takes-your-fancy>/ |
| 22:52.43 | wethrin | cpio will do device files and shit |
| 22:53.06 | Discordian | so does dump/restor |
| 22:56.17 | antiphase | dd is even more reliable if you can afford the wasted space of storing all of a half-empty disk |
| 23:04.17 | wethrin | Throw some quick compression on |
| 23:04.43 | Ch0Hag | I've not had a problem with device files with tar. |
| 23:04.50 | Ch0Hag | Or is that a GNU extension? |
| 23:05.08 | wethrin | --posix-me-harder |
| 23:06.25 | Discordian | Historically tar didn't do special files |
| 23:06.32 | hali | tar has some "bug", it can't handle fifos or pipes or something like that... something that breaks system cloning |
| 23:07.04 | Discordian | or ACLs |
| 23:07.36 | wethrin | yes, but no-one uses those :) |
| 23:08.23 | hali | what about xattrs? |
| 23:08.25 | Discordian | or special devices like raw disk or cooked disk nodes |
| 23:08.27 | hali | not sure if they are supported |
| 23:09.00 | hali | i guess xattrs are required for selinux use so they must be supported |
| 23:09.20 | wethrin | selinux can Fuck Right Off |
| 23:09.26 | Discordian | I avoid SELinux |
| 23:09.29 | wethrin | hi keithlard |
| 23:09.34 | keithlard | sup holmes |
| 23:09.48 | wethrin | I'm watching some old Doctor Who |
| 23:09.57 | keithlard | which doctor |
| 23:10.03 | wethrin | Bill H |
| 23:10.15 | keithlard | that's hard core |
| 23:10.28 | wethrin | It's a bit weird |
| 23:11.36 | keithlard | anyone filled out the linux desktop survey? https://www.linux-foundation.org/en/2007ClientSurvey |
| 23:12.29 | wethrin | Does one have to be running Linux as a desktop system to fill it out? |
| 23:12.31 | Ch0Hag | Yeah I don't really see the advantage of selinux. |
| 23:12.49 | wethrin | it gives skript-weenies a hard-on |
| 23:12.49 | hali | selinux is really *really* good for web services |
| 23:12.58 | Discordian | Give SELinux a few years |
| 23:13.05 | Discordian | and it might be usuablwe |
| 23:13.07 | hali | we have it as a requirement on some internet facing port 80's |
| 23:13.08 | Discordian | -w |
| 23:13.13 | Ch0Hag | Hasn't it already had a few years? |
| 23:13.20 | hali | it is is quite stable and usable |
| 23:13.31 | hali | but quite annoying to configure for custom setups |
| 23:13.41 | Discordian | Exactly |
| 23:13.44 | hali | we mostly use it for mod_proxy and mod_jk setups |
| 23:13.48 | hali | which works fine |
| 23:13.49 | keithlard | it's more about your company |
| 23:14.04 | Discordian | Did gglug have a talk about SELinux? |
| 23:14.31 | wethrin | If we did, not for a few years |
| 23:14.40 | wethrin | someone offering? |
| 23:14.56 | Discordian | Not me, I'm a sceptidc |
| 23:14.58 | Discordian | -d |
| 23:15.02 | Ch0Hag | So why/how is it good for web servers then? |
| 23:15.04 | hali | i tried to get selinux working with weblogic once but didn't have enough time to finish it |
| 23:15.35 | hali | Ch0Hag: you can nip exploits in the ass, even if there is an exploit you can't "do" anything outside the core scope of the application |
| 23:15.54 | hali | i.e. you cant access files you shouldnt, you can't open sockets etc |
| 23:16.47 | hali | you can run a 5 year old unpatched phpBB and the only thing they can break is the phpbb app itself, no change of getting any rootkits or wonky processes on the box |
| 23:16.58 | hali | chance* |