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| 08:52.16 | highbury | morning |
| 09:01.49 | Ch0Hag | userfriendly.org talks about employment agencies. |
| 09:09.03 | Ch0Hag | Morning. |
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| 09:35.41 | highbury | regarding conversations re selinux last night, I just recently installed Fedora 8 on a multiboot system, the firsth thing I noticed was that selinux was stopping me shutting down/rebooting from the menu |
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| 09:42.33 | niv_one_three | happy morning, its the weekend! |
| 09:42.48 | niv_one_three | and the day after thanks giving - for some |
| 09:42.58 | antiphase | It's not weekend until Saturday here |
| 09:43.22 | niv_one_three | I seek C programing help, may I write --number=FirstNumber ? |
| 09:43.48 | jcookeman | command-line arg? |
| 09:44.22 | niv_one_three | I am seeking to "break" a number, so 220 will give: 110,55.... |
| 09:44.35 | antiphase | "halve" |
| 09:44.39 | niv_one_three | I want to give number the value - 1 |
| 09:44.50 | hali | argv[n]? |
| 09:45.02 | hali | there are libraries to parse it if you don't want to do it manually |
| 09:45.10 | niv_one_three | so, may I use --number=FirstNumber while FirstNumber is 220? |
| 09:45.40 | niv_one_three | hali, this is my first assigment .. no libs etc |
| 09:45.45 | hali | if you parse --number yes |
| 09:45.58 | hali | if you don't want to parse it just do "./cmd 220" |
| 09:46.09 | hali | and tell people that argv[1] has to be the number |
| 09:46.40 | niv_one_three | as far as I remeber --number means after number gets the value it is subtracted one - right? |
| 09:46.58 | jcookeman | huh? |
| 09:47.03 | antiphase | Pre-decrement |
| 09:47.04 | antiphase | :) |
| 09:47.09 | antiphase | --number; |
| 09:47.13 | jcookeman | oh yeah |
| 09:47.15 | niv_one_three | hali: I dont get you - at all - is this ansi C? |
| 09:47.27 | hali | i thought we where talking command line input here :) |
| 09:47.34 | jcookeman | if you do --number it will return the value of number - 1 and decrement number |
| 09:47.36 | niv_one_three | sorry |
| 09:47.46 | jcookeman | if you do number-- it will return number and then decrement number |
| 09:48.08 | niv_one_three | thansk, so this doenst do the trick |
| 09:48.09 | niv_one_three | ok |
| 09:48.35 | niv_one_three | I jest want the loop to start at the number minus one |
| 09:48.43 | niv_one_three | which is 219 in this case |
| 09:48.54 | bilarh | niv_one_three: are you saying you want to do --number=mynumber? and expect number to end up as mynumber - 1? |
| 09:48.58 | jcookeman | if you do 'value = --number;' it will set value and number to both number -1 |
| 09:49.23 | niv_one_three | thnaks |
| 09:49.23 | bilarh | niv_one_three: for (int n = number - 1; n > 0; n--) ? |
| 09:49.42 | antiphase | Much more legible |
| 09:49.43 | bilarh | niv_one_three: btw, you can't modify stuff on the left side |
| 09:50.13 | niv_one_three | bilarh: this was the answer I was looking for - thanks |
| 09:52.09 | niv_one_three | will number-- affect the value in number? |
| 09:52.20 | jcookeman | yes |
| 09:52.47 | jcookeman | hence the n-- in bilarh's loop |
| 09:52.58 | niv_one_three | right |
| 10:08.32 | niv_one_three | ok, bybye now |
| 10:17.03 | highbury | anybody been looking at these Asus eeePC's ? They look quite fun |
| 10:18.30 | highbury | also known as a "RM Asus miniBook" http://www.rm.com/HE/Products/Product.asp?cref=PD1024415 |
| 10:21.33 | antiphase | Most people seem to want one |
| 10:22.18 | antiphase | I don't think you'll get one from RM unless you're an educational establishment though |
| 10:22.24 | antiphase | Direct from ASUS maybe |
| 10:26.20 | highbury | http://www.dabs.com/productview.aspx?Quicklinx=4SGM |
| 10:27.09 | highbury | are they selling the 8GB one yet Leeds? |
| 10:27.32 | Leeds | not that I'm aware of |
| 10:27.57 | Leeds | I think the order of release has been white-4G, black-4G, white-4G-surf... |
| 10:28.50 | highbury | the difference between what RM are selling it at, and what you can buy it from Dabs seems minimal, then again RM will probably be trying to sell them in bulk to schools, lots of Becta people quite interested |
| 10:29.23 | Leeds | popey: tell the nice man about ordering an Eee from RM... |
| 10:31.28 | highbury | So is 4Gb upgradeable? Can one replace it with one of the new 32Gb solid state drives? |
| 10:31.28 | Leeds | last night, on the way home from my, uh, double dancing class... I was sitting on the ferry, eating lemon pepper and cinnabar ice-cream, while watching Top Gear on a watchable-sized screen :-) |
| 10:31.44 | Leeds | I don't believe it is sanely upgradable, no |
| 10:32.15 | Leeds | I have a 2G SD card in mine - would cost around a tenner, but I had it lying around anyway |
| 10:34.07 | highbury | so its sealed? |
| 10:34.18 | Leeds | more like soldered onto the board, AFAIK |
| 10:34.29 | highbury | agckk! |
| 10:35.01 | Leeds | if you're thinking of putting a huge drive like that in it, you've somewhat missed the point |
| 10:35.12 | highbury | :-D |
| 10:35.32 | Leeds | oh, and seriously - chicks dig it :-) |
| 10:36.09 | highbury | its a shame the OLPC isn't orderable from the UK, that looks even cuter |
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| 10:36.53 | Provito | Leeds, tell us more about your dancing |
| 10:38.00 | Leeds | Provito: uh, what? |
| 10:38.27 | Leeds | the question is, should I go home and crash, or should I go out dancing again tonight? |
| 10:38.28 | Provito | "double dancing class..." |
| 10:38.53 | Provito | disco dancing or ballroom? |
| 10:39.22 | Leeds | salsa, since you ask |
| 10:39.55 | Provito | groovy, sounds fun! you have a costume? |
| 10:40.05 | Leeds | no, I do not have a costume |
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| 10:41.09 | Provito | Leeds, do you have any pictures? |
| 10:42.19 | popey | :) |
| 10:42.34 | popey | highbury: the ssd is soldered in, not a modular drive |
| 10:43.00 | bilarh | popito: here you go http://www.monstersandcritics.com/artman/uploads/liono.jpg |
| 10:43.13 | popey | 09:19:43 < antiphase> I don't think you'll get one from RM unless you're an educational establishment though |
| 10:43.22 | popey | you don't need to be an educational establishment |
| 10:43.33 | popey | parents can buy for their kids if they are in full time education |
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| 10:43.57 | antiphase | I'd better get some bird up the spout, then wait 4 years in that case |
| 10:44.15 | popey | not sure how/if they check though |
| 10:58.46 | Leeds | Provito: I do have one or two pictures, from the first time I tried it - before I started my classes. They are not for public consumption |
| 10:59.53 | Provito | Leeds, ok. I've got visions of you in a strictly come dancing style outfit. Am I far out? |
| 11:00.55 | Leeds | never seen any of those shows, but you're probably a long way off... I tend to dance in regular trousers and shirt |
| 11:01.15 | Leeds | I go to my classes straight from work |
| 11:01.46 | Provito | good excercise I bet, and if your single a good chance to meet ppl |
| 11:01.49 | Leeds | and for what it's worth, the 'double' class is because the teacher keeps asking me to stay and help for the second class of the night... both beginner classes, neither class has enough men |
| 11:02.09 | Leeds | I'm going to the class with a platonic female friend... but yes, it's a way to meet women ;-) |
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| 11:04.26 | Leeds | and since it is now 7pm on Friday, it's very high time I wasn't at the office... I'm not going to go dancing tonight, I think - too knackered |
| 11:05.16 | Provito | Think of the ladies and your teacher will be disappointed |
| 11:05.27 | Provito | oh his taken his dancing shoes and left |
| 11:05.41 | Provito | s/his/he\'s/ |
| 11:31.00 | Ch0Hag | If you were hiring a sysadmin, what sort of questions would you expect him to ask? |
| 11:31.15 | Ch0Hag | Apart from the obvious, like how many servers do you have. |
| 11:38.42 | Provito | Ch0Hag, have they given you an indication on the *nix type you would be a sysadmin of? |
| 11:38.49 | Ch0Hag | Linux. |
| 11:38.51 | Ch0Hag | Debian I think. |
| 11:41.29 | Provito | Ch0Hag, off the top of my head, pros/cons of distro package management systems, are they any benefits of using virtualisation to consolidate servers, how would you manage a huge security update over many servers, describe the process to patch your systems |
| 11:41.45 | Provito | Ch0Hag, it depends whether you have a teccie on the job board of if you have general HR people |
| 11:42.25 | Provito | I'd also if possible do a security scan on the network you are visiting, find out what they are running. Patch levels of apache for example find a few problems you can bring up |
| 11:42.31 | Provito | this is bound to impress them |
| 11:43.56 | Provito | failing that, just read the BOFH |
| 11:44.11 | Ch0Hag | Yeah I do that. |
| 11:44.18 | Provito | that'll teach you all you need to know |
| 11:44.22 | Ch0Hag | Required reading, really. |
| 11:44.37 | antiphase | Never do unscheduled security scans of other people's networks. Ever. |
| 11:44.51 | Provito | antiphase, I said if possible. Ask their permission obviously |
| 11:45.06 | Provito | however there is no harm to do a HEAD on their webserver and check out the revision levels if available |
| 11:45.31 | antiphase | Sounds very silly to me |
| 11:45.39 | Provito | what sounds silly? |
| 11:46.20 | antiphase | Demonstrable knowledge of commonly used protocols is far more likely to be useful than in-deptjh knowledge of one piece of software they might use, unless that is to be your sole job |
| 11:46.57 | Provito | antiphase, what I was pointing out that doing prior research on your "target" is impressive, rather than simply turning up without doing any research on what they are running |
| 11:47.00 | Ch0Hag | I think they have Windows users doing their website. |
| 11:47.27 | Ch0Hag | 0x96 is the windows "we don't need no steenking ASCII" dash, isn't it? |
| 11:48.00 | bilarh | i think if someone came to an interview with me and said "oh, i noticed that you run apache xxx.xx.zz.b and sendmail cc.dd.33.bb beta 56", i'd be a bit worried |
| 11:48.10 | bilarh | and i'd probably not hire the person for being too geeky :P |
| 11:48.27 | Provito | bilarh, well I like that. I'd also like to tell me if the zone records are correct |
| 11:48.42 | Provito | bilarh, if they say that there's a recursive lookup problem, or an incorrect mx record for example then great! |
| 11:49.05 | antiphase | It would suggest that you don't want to work for them, because the rest of their sysadmins are completely shit |
| 11:49.18 | Provito | antiphase, perhaps that's why they are hiring heh |
| 11:49.59 | Ch0Hag | They're running Apache 20.054, so probably Sarge. |
| 11:50.13 | Provito | and if their sysadmins are shit then you can go in as a senior level and either track or sack them if they are hopeless |
| 11:50.18 | antiphase | oooh, when did 20 come out? ;) |
| 11:50.18 | Ch0Hag | s/0.0/.0./ and a pre-emptive kick to ibot for being 'helpful'. |
| 11:50.31 | Provito | either way it will impress the job board that you've actually bothered to look into it, rather than simply turn up because the agency told you to |
| 11:50.53 | antiphase | I assume you've actually been to a job interview at some point in your life |
| 11:50.59 | Ch0Hag | I am going in as senior, which is a little worrying because it implies there are juniors. |
| 11:51.03 | Ch0Hag | Yes. |
| 11:51.10 | Provito | antiphase, I've never not been offered a job in fact, and I sit on job boards |
| 11:51.39 | antiphase | So when they say "Do you have any questions?", do you respond with "Well, it's funny you should say that; I wondered why you wre running Apache 2.0.54 when $OTHER_THING is my personal preference?" |
| 11:52.10 | Provito | antiphase, no |
| 11:52.11 | Ch0Hag | I'd be more likely to ask why they haven't upgraded to Etch yet. |
| 11:52.25 | antiphase | Maybe they have |
| 11:52.26 | Ch0Hag | It's been out and stable for some time. |
| 11:52.36 | Ch0Hag | Etch uses Apache 2.2 |
| 11:52.51 | antiphase | Maybe they know lots more than you about what they do, and you end up looking like some sort of rank bedroom n00b for asking stupid questions |
| 11:52.56 | Ch0Hag | Or 1.3 |
| 11:53.18 | Ch0Hag | I think asking if there's a particular reason not to upgrade to the latest stable distribution is valid. |
| 11:53.18 | Provito | antiphase, I presume you've sat on interview panels before then? |
| 11:53.20 | bilarh | so far, i've got about a 75% "hit rate" for job interviews, and I think it's because I'm not *too* geeky at job interviews, so management don't feel scared or think that I'm some nob who can't communicate with them (little do tehy know, that in fact i'm an uber geek with low communication skills - it's all about deception) |
| 11:53.42 | Ch0Hag | Suggesting they're idiots for not doing so is another matter. |
| 11:54.09 | Ch0Hag | There may be a good reason, like "our websites might not work in Apache 2.2", in which case I'll be able to suggest an upgrade plan. |
| 11:54.15 | Provito | Ch0Hag, never assume they are idiots of course, all you are doing is making an observation. Being friendly rather than agressive is the key. |
| 11:54.21 | Ch0Hag | Aye. |
| 11:54.48 | Ch0Hag | Also it might indicate that they're deathly afraid of upgrades of any type, which would light up warning lights. |
| 11:55.12 | Ch0Hag | ie. Massive instability and everything held together with spit and tape. |
| 11:55.24 | Ch0Hag | (gzip and tar?) |
| 11:55.54 | antiphase | Conjecture. Next ;) |
| 11:56.10 | Ch0Hag | Quite. |
| 11:56.14 | Provito | Ch0Hag, good luck btw |
| 11:56.37 | Ch0Hag | That's what I'd need to find out in the interview, which I'd not do if I didn't ask why they still use Sarge. |
| 11:56.43 | antiphase | It's about mindset and a rounded knowledge of the sort of things they use, not about whacking off solving some problem that doesn't exist. I work with people that do that all the time, it's frustrating and unproductive |
| 11:57.37 | Provito | antiphase, if you can show that then great, but also to show that you've put some effort researching the company is the point I'm trying to make |
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| 11:57.50 | Ch0Hag | I'd say knowing how to safely installing/upgrading software is a fairly important part of being a sysadmin. |
| 11:58.33 | antiphase | The dull fact is that OS upgrades of machines which are secure and functioning is a complete waste of time, especially when you have nE+02 machines to look after |
| 11:58.35 | Ch0Hag | And demonstrating that you provide a little more thought than 'run apt-get dist-upgrade live and see what breaks' can only be a good thing. |
| 11:58.54 | Ch0Hag | Not a complete waste of time. |
| 11:59.18 | Ch0Hag | What about 5 years down the line when Etch+1 is already obsolete and more and more bugs are being discovered in Apache 2.0? |
| 11:59.36 | Ch0Hag | I'll agree that it's certainly not the number one priority. |
| 11:59.38 | antiphase | Bugs are security, which comes under "secure" |
| 12:00.01 | Ch0Hag | In that case 'machines which are secure' means none. |
| 12:00.15 | Ch0Hag | We just don't know yet how they're insecure. |
| 12:00.44 | Ch0Hag | Provito: Thanks btw |
| 12:00.44 | Ch0Hag | ;) |
| 12:00.46 | Ch0Hag | :) |
| 12:00.57 | antiphase | I'm going to duck this circular argument and go back to configuring Apache I think |
| 12:00.57 | Ch0Hag | Oh, and long time no see. |
| 12:01.01 | Ch0Hag | How's life? |
| 12:01.25 | Provito | very busy, freelance at the moment and got too much on. I need an apprentice |
| 12:01.39 | Ch0Hag | You've been freelance as long as I've known you. |
| 12:01.52 | Ch0Hag | I'm probably too expensive to apprentice though. |
| 12:02.11 | Provito | well I've been on and off, I worked full time for 4 years (to get a mortgage mainly) left that in april 2007 |
| 12:02.44 | Provito | Ch0Hag, probaby I want someone good and cheap. funny that |
| 12:02.53 | Ch0Hag | Yeah good luck with that. |
| 12:02.58 | Ch0Hag | Good at what/ |
| 12:03.01 | Ch0Hag | ? |
| 12:03.11 | Provito | sysadmin + internet development. They must be good at both areas |
| 12:03.34 | Provito | i.e highly scalable internet solutions |
| 12:04.10 | Ch0Hag | Hmm yes good luck with that. |
| 12:04.29 | Provito | Ch0Hag, I'm always on the look out :) |
| 12:08.26 | Provito | What's happened to Morsing nowadays? He was always so chirpy |
| 12:09.00 | Ch0Hag | I think he got scared off. |
| 12:09.30 | Provito | !seen Morsing |
| 12:09.45 | Provito | IIRC he left his job, not seen him since |
| 12:11.39 | Ch0Hag | He's connected. Doesn't appear to be in any channels though. |
| 12:12.57 | antiphase | Such a shame he doesn't come here any more |
| 12:14.15 | Ch0Hag | Didn't someone hate him, antiphase? |
| 12:14.55 | antiphase | Many people |
| 12:15.18 | antiphase | His constant inability to use Google to resolve simple questions was a little irritating |
| 12:16.26 | etorix | he didnt seem to run linux much |
| 12:17.05 | rhowe | hm, thanks for the laptop, Acer, but could you now send me the one that I sent to you, k pls thx? |
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| 12:17.24 | Provito | rhowe, higher spec? |
| 12:17.26 | rhowe | Sent off a nice little Travelmate 6292 and got this behemoth piece of crap running XP MCE in return |
| 12:17.33 | Provito | eek |
| 12:17.45 | rhowe | Provito: I doubt it. "Customer Name: Comet" |
| 12:18.19 | rhowe | Problem description "There is power in the ac adapter no power in the sys, it will not boot up without the battery." |
| 12:18.20 | Provito | rhowe, fantastic you've been given a display model |
| 12:18.53 | rhowe | Provito: It still has the plastic sticky on sheets |
| 12:19.29 | rhowe | hm, and there's a Comet job card inside the lid |
| 12:19.38 | rhowe | With customer name, address and telephone number |
| 12:19.56 | rhowe | and his signature |
| 12:20.01 | Provito | what was wrong with your laptop originally? |
| 12:20.11 | rhowe | Some of the keys weren't working |
| 12:20.20 | Provito | check the cd drive btw there's a missing cd floating around |
| 12:20.22 | rhowe | Faulty connection on the ribbon cable or something, I guess |
| 12:21.25 | rhowe | Nah, no HMRC CDs inside |
| 12:21.44 | Provito | rhowe, that would have been funny |
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| 12:51.56 | Ch0Hag | The list's been pretty quiet recently. |
| 12:53.27 | wethrin | It has. Someone should stir it up |
| 13:02.30 | Ch0Hag | Done. |
| 13:02.35 | wethrin | yay |
| 13:03.19 | wethrin | :) |
| 13:03.32 | highbury | leeds: I was just reading the eeepc only has one mouse button?! |
| 13:04.46 | Leeds | wrong |
| 13:05.08 | Leeds | it's got one 'button' - but there are two switches underneath it - press the left or right to get left or right button, and the touchpad does two-finger middle-clicking |
| 13:05.46 | Leeds | it's not that easy to to reliably, since the pad is a bit small... left+right=middle works as well |
| 13:05.48 | Ch0Hag | That sounds like Apple trying to break into the non-plimsole dribble-free market. |
| 13:06.02 | Ch0Hag | "No! Look! You CAN right-click!" |
| 13:06.23 | Leeds | Ch0Hag: particularly in the white, it does feel quite a lot like you might expect a really really small and cheap Apple laptop to feel |
| 13:08.05 | Ch0Hag | Apples are fine. |
| 13:08.11 | Ch0Hag | Their mice and keyboards suck though. |
| 13:08.38 | highbury | the new keyboards look interesting |
| 13:08.45 | Ch0Hag | And OSX is to OSs as McDonald's is to Cuisine. |
| 13:08.51 | Ch0Hag | They're horrible. |
| 13:09.41 | Ch0Hag | I have one. It's only OK if you're a Mac user and never actually use it because you're too busy looking in the mirror. |
| 13:10.06 | Ch0Hag | Or maybe they're to chic for a mirror. Probably use a webcam and quicktime. |
| 13:12.46 | highbury | hmmm, I still would like to get an Apple for the rest of the family, just to tear them away from Windows. But I'd like a dual/triple boot pc for myself |
| 13:12.56 | hali | hm, redhat is *spewing* out erratas |
| 13:13.15 | Ch0Hag | RedHat spews a lot of things. |
| 13:13.50 | highbury | Shuttle SG33xxx type would probably be more pactical than a MacMini |
| 13:14.09 | Leeds | I somewhat forced my family to go Mac - they're pretty happy with it |
| 13:14.42 | highbury | then again my 20" Samsung SRT is rather long in the tooth, so maybe an iMac |
| 13:14.48 | Leeds | if I wasn't on the other side of the planet and therefore a little inconvenient for support, they'd probably be using Linux by now, or at least dual-booting |
| 13:15.09 | Ch0Hag | OSX confused my mum. |
| 13:15.15 | Ch0Hag | She couldn't find the menu. |
| 13:16.19 | Armand | I'm tempted to install Fedora 8 on my mum's PC.. all she does is play card games & Diablo 2. :P |
| 13:18.29 | bilarh | diablo 2? Armands mum ftw :-) |
| 13:18.36 | Armand | hehe |
| 13:18.50 | Armand | She plays online, lvl 80 Barbarian. :D |
| 13:19.02 | bilarh | i don't know what that means :) |
| 13:19.02 | Ch0Hag | 'char c[] = "\0"' doesn't produce the two-bype array { 0x00, 0x00 } does it? |
| 13:19.12 | Ch0Hag | byte |
| 13:19.22 | bilarh | ch0hag: interesting question |
| 13:19.26 | highbury | I just can't decide what to get! :-( [then again I need to sort out new job too!] |
| 13:19.28 | bilarh | i'd say it was a two byte array |
| 13:19.30 | Armand | Well, Barbarian = tough as fook.. |
| 13:19.40 | Armand | lvl 80, max is 99. |
| 13:19.46 | bilarh | armand: ah ok |
| 13:19.54 | Ch0Hag | If it did, then '"Hello " "world"' would equal "Hello \0world\0", which it clearly doesn't. |
| 13:20.45 | bilarh | int main() |
| 13:20.45 | bilarh | { char b[] = "\0"; |
| 13:20.45 | bilarh | printf("sizeof b: %d\n", sizeof(b)); |
| 13:20.45 | bilarh | } |
| 13:20.52 | bilarh | chohaG: that gives two |
| 13:20.57 | Ch0Hag | Really? |
| 13:20.58 | Ch0Hag | Odd. |
| 13:21.10 | bilarh | well, not really if you think about it |
| 13:21.21 | bilarh | the "" automatically adds a \0 at the end |
| 13:21.43 | bilarh | the compiler doesn't look in your array to see what's in there, just populates it with the data from there |
| 13:21.47 | bilarh | or rather, it doesn't analyze it |
| 13:24.59 | Ch0Hag | So presumabely it concatenates adjacent constant strings beforehand. |
| 13:28.17 | Ch0Hag | Is there a problem? |
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| 14:26.56 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: That 'Last Train' movie works fine on my ipod |
| 14:28.32 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: i'm glad to hear it. i think you can convert video for ipod with K3b as well. |
| 14:30.16 | boudiccas | zmey_g; i'm doubtful of that last statement of yours, as k3b is just a cd/dvd burning environment and not a file converter |
| 14:32.42 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: It works so well I've crashed the car 14 times watching the movie ;-) |
| 14:33.10 | zmey_g | boudiccas: i might be wrong once again. but you can Rip DVD video with K3b. i never did it and not sure about output format. |
| 14:35.55 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: you've got pretty robust ipod then :) |
| 14:37.18 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: I think sitting stretched out in the back seat helps although its not a good position for controlling the car |
| 14:37.44 | wethrin | bibble |
| 14:38.03 | dick_turpin | xteddy: hug wethrin |
| 14:38.04 | xteddy | bbiab - |
| 14:38.14 | wethrin | xteddy can fuck right off |
| 14:38.14 | xteddy | bbiab - |
| 14:38.15 | wethrin | ahem |
| 14:38.22 | Leeds | ho hum... my aunt has send a (mostly) hoax virus warning to about 25 people... I really thought that sort of problem had been solved by now |
| 14:38.22 | wethrin | fortunately, I have it on /ignore |
| 14:38.46 | dick_turpin | wethrin: You mardy Cun.. |
| 14:38.48 | Leeds | xteddy: lick wethrin |
| 14:38.49 | xteddy | :D |
| 14:38.56 | wethrin | ibot smack Leeds |
| 14:38.57 | ibot | ACTION smacks Leeds upside the head. |
| 14:39.17 | Leeds | ibot lick wethrin |
| 14:39.18 | ibot | ACTION licks wethrin *SHLUUURRRRPPP* |
| 14:39.27 | wethrin | ! |
| 14:39.54 | Leeds | okay, it's just possible I've spent too much time thinking of creative ways to poke young ladies on Facebook... |
| 14:40.21 | wethrin | Leeds: Using Superpoke? |
| 14:40.43 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: wich car was that? radio controlled car <toys for big boys>? |
| 14:41.31 | Leeds | wethrin: indeed - my poking tool of choice :-) |
| 14:41.50 | wethrin | heh. Plain old poke too boring? |
| 14:42.33 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: i used to crash my helicopter when i was distracted by things. |
| 14:42.44 | Leeds | it is... although I found myself literally poking someone at work - our HR department - after she asked me what the point of poking was |
| 14:42.50 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: http://www.topgear.com/drives/X0/A0/ |
| 14:44.00 | bilarh | leeds: what *is* the point of poking? |
| 14:44.24 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: http://www.addictinggames.com/helicopter.html |
| 14:44.40 | wethrin | bilarh: There is no point of poking |
| 14:44.49 | wethrin | It's just a silly thing |
| 14:44.52 | Leeds | bilarh: basic poking... the point, really, is just a shout-out, a 'hey, I'm here' - I'd use it as a follow-up to an unanswered message, maybe |
| 14:45.05 | Leeds | superpoking, or similar, is a little more fun |
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| 14:46.08 | Leeds | I went through a whirlwind superpoke romance with a young lady by the name of Kitty last week... I serenaded her, danced with her, then married her... she broke my heart by divorcing me... |
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| 14:46.26 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: I hate it, I keep crashing |
| 14:47.28 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: that's the thing |
| 14:47.40 | zmey_g | nice car though |
| 14:48.13 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: The 17 year old in the office reckons she can do 2000. bitch |
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| 14:50.28 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: tell her this is not Fallo-Imitator. |
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| 14:54.45 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; 2000 what? |
| 14:55.08 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: feet I presume |
| 14:56.04 | boudiccas | ah, i'm not really any the wiser as i'm not sure what you're talking about. but do carry on, i may pick it up as time passes |
| 14:56.24 | boudiccas | and if i don't then its no grest loss |
| 14:56.28 | boudiccas | *great |
| 14:57.03 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Its one of those internet games you move a helicopter up and down with your mouse |
| 14:57.25 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Avoiding things |
| 14:57.46 | boudiccas | ah, right. i remember games, it was something we played on ms windows |
| 14:57.53 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Pointless but addictive |
| 14:58.37 | boudiccas | sounds like a description of life at times |
| 14:59.05 | bilarh | boudiccas: why the long face? |
| 14:59.21 | boudiccas | bilarh; life sucks atm |
| 14:59.36 | bilarh | boudiccas: how come? |
| 14:59.59 | boudiccas | i'm not having a good day, i've got a migraine developing or just hovering trying to decide what to do, zap me or just go away |
| 15:00.12 | boudiccas | and i'm feeling tired |
| 15:00.30 | bilarh | boudiccas: you sound like my health and safety instructor... |
| 15:00.31 | wethrin | Aspirin, and bed |
| 15:00.38 | bilarh | boudiccas: cheer up, or i might have to take the piss ;-) |
| 15:01.38 | boudiccas | wethrin; paracetamol is my drug of choice but i know it wont work on one of my full blown migraines. this is one just trying to decided whether to zap me or not, and until it develops or goes away nothing will work on it |
| 15:02.13 | bilarh | oversize, naturally |
| 15:02.28 | boudiccas | you want a red capped tube with preservative in the bottom and you want a msu |
| 15:02.37 | wethrin | codeine! |
| 15:02.47 | wethrin | Well, hole yourself up in bed, then |
| 15:02.58 | bilarh | boudiccas: ah yeah that's the type |
| 15:03.13 | wethrin | too late |
| 15:03.37 | bilarh | i think i'll just start licking my balls instead |
| 15:06.42 | bilarh | i'm so tired |
| 15:06.53 | bilarh | i've had this cold / flu like thing for a week now |
| 15:07.03 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Wuss |
| 15:09.28 | bilarh | dick_turpin: screw you, hippy! |
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| 16:09.04 | bilarh | pointless shit on the gllug-email list |
| 16:09.16 | wethrin | Yes. It's Ch0Hag's fault |
| 16:09.22 | bilarh | filling up my inbox with absolute rubbish |
| 16:09.38 | bilarh | i now have to tick *20* checkboxes and press a button to clean it out! |
| 16:09.45 | bilarh | who do i send the bill to, i wonder? |
| 16:09.59 | wethrin | Him |
| 16:10.21 | bilarh | can i send a "please shut the F up" email to the list? |
| 16:10.23 | bilarh | can i, can i? :P |
| 16:10.24 | Ch0Hag | Can't you just press cy? |
| 16:10.31 | Ch0Hag | or C-u 2 0 d? |
| 16:10.53 | bilarh | i'm in the 21st century ;-) |
| 16:10.53 | wethrin | spot who uses emacs... |
| 16:10.58 | antiphase | Peolpe should need to have a licence to email |
| 16:11.02 | bilarh | i use something called gopher to access my email |
| 16:11.42 | bilarh | *argh* i deleted them all, and now there's *another one* |
| 16:18.16 | Ch0Hag | Hey we got something useful out of it. |
| 16:18.25 | Ch0Hag | Namely a pizza dough recipe. |
| 16:20.57 | Ch0Hag | Find a cabinet with poor ventilation and then you get home-made (noc-made?) pizza on that all-nighter. |
| 16:27.25 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You're in my office aren't you? I was just screaming at the screen about that, maybe they think its IRC? |
| 16:27.32 | antiphase | Our NOC here would have trouble making takeaway pizza |
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| 17:49.30 | Ch0Hag | In a header, is it good form to put comments immediately before or immediately after each declaration? |
| 17:51.30 | antiphase | Always before |
| 17:51.36 | antiphase | Same as for any c0dez |
| 17:51.49 | Ch0Hag | Why? |
| 17:52.37 | antiphase | Because we read from top to bottom in the West. Otherwise it would be like putting labels on the back of objects so you have to turn them upside-down to see what they are :) |
| 17:52.58 | Ch0Hag | (what it does) (title)? |
| 17:53.43 | antiphase | o_O |
| 17:53.46 | Ch0Hag | hello(void); /* Display "Hello, world!" */ |
| 17:53.46 | Ch0Hag | vs. |
| 17:53.46 | antiphase | Try the previous line |
| 17:53.59 | Ch0Hag | /* Display "Hello, world!" */ hello(void); |
| 17:54.03 | Ch0Hag | Multi-line of course. |
| 17:54.23 | antiphase | Prototypes don't need comments, they need sensible names |
| 17:54.54 | antiphase | Comments are only supposed to indicate what your nice neat code fails to self-document, innit |
| 17:55.01 | Ch0Hag | I did say declare not define. |
| 17:55.08 | Ch0Hag | Well yes. |
| 17:55.14 | Ch0Hag | Or expand on the name |
| 17:55.38 | Ch0Hag | hello(void); vs. display_hello_world_with_punctuation(void); |
| 17:56.01 | antiphase | I'd recommend reading some hardcore code and following their example |
| 17:56.35 | antiphase | I think you may be prematurely optimising your layout instead of Writing Some Fucking Code (TM) |
| 17:57.14 | Ch0Hag | I'm playing. |
| 18:00.38 | Ch0Hag | In this case draw_cube() with a comment to give the size (yes it's fixed - I'm playing). |
| 18:01.06 | wethrin | If you're explaining lots of code, I'd go with a comment before the code |
| 18:01.16 | wethrin | If it's just a one-liner, I tend to do it after the code |
| 18:01.29 | wethrin | draw_cube() /* Draws a 1x1x1 cube */ |
| 18:02.23 | Ch0Hag | hmmm |
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