| 00:18.01 | *** join/#gllug zmey_g_ (n=egor@87.127.26.43) |
| 00:52.00 | *** join/#gllug Paul_UK (n=Paul@cpc2-acto7-0-0-cust986.brnt.cable.ntl.com) |
| 01:34.47 | z00dax | gw280: who are those friends of yours who do hosting stuff at telecity/redbus ? |
| 01:34.51 | z00dax | they also did VM's iirc |
| 01:34.59 | gw280 | z00dax: bluelinux.co.uk |
| 01:35.27 | z00dax | gw280: awrite thanks |
| 01:36.14 | gw280 | I'm not sure where they host though |
| 01:37.06 | Discordian | They host in Redbus SOV |
| 01:37.18 | z00dax | for the kind of money they are charging..... |
| 01:37.22 | z00dax | think I'll pass :D |
| 01:37.30 | gw280 | they charge at cost |
| 01:38.07 | z00dax | £15 a month for 128megs of ram and 5 gb drive space ? |
| 01:38.38 | z00dax | iirc, you can lease time on a zSeries for less |
| 01:38.43 | gw280 | lol |
| 01:39.09 | gw280 | z00dax: give them an email at theimps.com |
| 01:39.18 | z00dax | you cant actually get a partition that small, but ram/drive:price |
| 01:39.29 | gw280 | z00dax: they host vm.gwright for me |
| 01:42.06 | Discordian | They don't say what VM's they user |
| 01:42.08 | Discordian | -r |
| 01:42.18 | gw280 | no |
| 01:42.19 | gw280 | they don't |
| 01:42.22 | gw280 | hence why I said email them |
| 01:42.36 | gw280 | the guy who owns the imps is a close personal friend of mine |
| 01:42.42 | gw280 | so he hosts vm.gwright for me for free |
| 01:42.55 | gw280 | and they use xen. |
| 01:43.14 | Discordian | hmmm |
| 01:43.24 | Discordian | Do you know will h? |
| 01:43.29 | gw280 | no. |
| 01:44.17 | Discordian | xen is fine |
| 01:44.36 | Discordian | I must find a box to try Oracle VM on |
| 01:45.26 | Discordian | *runs on bare metal* according to Oracle |
| 01:45.39 | z00dax | PING vm.gwright.org.uk (81.91.110.54) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 01:45.39 | z00dax | --- vm.gwright.org.uk ping statistics --- |
| 01:45.39 | z00dax | 6 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4998ms |
| 01:45.41 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.53 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:46.05 | z00dax | thats the last traceroute hop.. nothing beyond there |
| 01:46.17 | z00dax | but hey, its close to where one of my machines is. |
| 01:46.37 | Discordian | associated networks? |
| 01:47.34 | gw280 | it's behind hefty firewalls |
| 01:47.44 | gw280 | everything inside the imps is heavily firewalled |
| 01:48.01 | z00dax | right, that would never work for me. |
| 01:48.13 | gw280 | z00dax: he'll open up stuff for you if you want |
| 01:48.32 | Discordian | Most colos drop packets on the floor at the firewall |
| 01:48.50 | z00dax | gw280: email sent, lets see what $person comes back with |
| 01:50.00 | gw280 | z00dax: 01:49:11 <Tangent> 30/month is my going rate for Xen VMs |
| 01:50.06 | gw280 | 01:49:34 <Tangent> Not desperately cheap.. but somehow I have to make back the 3K the server cost |
| 01:50.31 | z00dax | fair enough |
| 01:50.51 | gw280 | z00dax: I've asked him how much RAM/hdd space/etc |
| 01:50.54 | z00dax | he is going to put a 100 VM's on there. |
| 01:51.01 | gw280 | 01:50:47 <Tangent> 256 Ram, 10G disk |
| 01:51.08 | z00dax | ah no, i guess he does not need a server/month |
| 01:51.15 | gw280 | heh |
| 01:51.27 | z00dax | i suppose 10 vm's is what he will need to get on there |
| 01:51.31 | z00dax | not bad actually |
| 01:51.40 | gw280 | my VM is just a simple 128MB RAM machine with 8GB of disk space |
| 01:51.45 | gw280 | but it's free so I'm not complaining |
| 01:52.11 | Discordian | Mythic beasts'll host a Apple TV for 25 quid pm, |
| 01:52.24 | z00dax | why would you want to host an apple tv box ? |
| 01:52.29 | z00dax | are you sure its not a mac mini or something ? |
| 01:52.50 | Discordian | They do mac minis for a bit more |
| 01:53.26 | Discordian | http://www.mythic-beasts.com/ |
| 01:54.26 | gw280 | z00dax: and that vm at the imps is 128kbit/s 95th percentile billing |
| 01:54.59 | Discordian | The appleTV runs OS X usualluy |
| 01:55.05 | z00dax | gw280: that'd do me fine, i just need someplace to put a Hg repo backup |
| 01:55.18 | z00dax | at the moment my main mercurial repo is on the same machine as the backup |
| 01:55.25 | z00dax | which is kinda sub-optimal |
| 01:56.59 | gw280 | heh |
| 01:57.11 | gw280 | so's your clevo |
| 01:57.35 | z00dax | the guy who bought the clevo from me, not uses it as a desktop |
| 01:57.43 | highbury | anybody using spamassassin with kmail |
| 01:57.50 | z00dax | i think he lost too much weight carrying it around with him everywhere |
| 01:58.07 | z00dax | highbury: not me. i do have spamassassin, but its on the mailserver. |
| 02:00.36 | Discordian | I like my lpatop |
| 02:00.44 | Discordian | laptop |
| 02:00.50 | gw280 | I like my bike |
| 02:01.25 | z00dax | I like |
| 02:04.09 | highbury | currently my filter runs "spamassassin -l" and wondered whether I should instead be running "spamc" or "spamc -c" if I run spamd |
| 02:05.32 | z00dax | yes you should |
| 02:06.08 | z00dax | highbury: you should be able to run both of those on the command line with a --lint param, and see what the output is and if they are using spamd or not |
| 02:08.01 | z00dax | humm it seems only spamassassin will do a --lint, not spamc |
| 02:10.31 | highbury | just noticed that |
| 02:11.06 | highbury | "spamc -c" only sets the status, and doesn't pass thru the mail message |
| 02:11.45 | z00dax | ah, so you need to run spamassassin anyway |
| 02:11.58 | highbury | I guess I'll try a single email and try both ways |
| 02:12.56 | highbury | out of 19,000 emails 825 were immediately flagged as spam, it just took 24 hrours to retrieve and process them |
| 02:14.20 | highbury | I've been getting kmail to use extra filters to handle mailing lists, so there will be spam uncounted in them |
| 02:14.27 | z00dax | 24hrs for 19k emails seems to be a lot |
| 02:15.14 | z00dax | thats about 4 sec per email |
| 02:15.24 | highbury | I forgot to not rum spamassassin on manual filtering, obviously I only need to run it when retrieving emails, so its running slowly now |
| 02:15.33 | highbury | its a slow machine |
| 02:15.39 | z00dax | ah |
| 02:15.48 | z00dax | are you also running lots of network tests like uribl etc ? |
| 02:15.53 | z00dax | that can slow things down quite a bit |
| 02:16.14 | highbury | P4 1700, with 512Mb of memory, running KDE and Firefox |
| 02:17.42 | highbury | at one point kontact/kmail grew to 400Mb of memory |
| 02:17.42 | *** join/#gllug Discordian (n=ch@chills.demon.co.uk) |
| 02:17.50 | z00dax | nice |
| 02:17.58 | Discordian | re |
| 02:18.05 | z00dax | hope you have loads of swap |
| 02:18.25 | highbury | 1Gb |
| 02:18.35 | Discordian | I worry if I use swap |
| 02:19.00 | Discordian | It's not SVR4 |
| 02:19.05 | z00dax | nothing wrong with the kernel swaping bits of unused stuff out |
| 02:19.29 | Discordian | small bits yes |
| 02:19.32 | highbury | I stopped and restarted kmail and now its only using 36Mb resident |
| 02:20.11 | highbury | of course Firefox was also consuming around 400Mb too :-) |
| 02:21.17 | highbury | My next machine will have at least 2Gb of memory, and hopefully 4 |
| 02:22.05 | Discordian | My next machine will have 4 cores and hopefully 16Gb |
| 02:23.32 | Discordian | But I worry about environmemntal oncosts |
| 02:24.02 | z00dax | my main laptop has 2 gigs of ram and a 2.2 Ghz Turion chip |
| 02:24.15 | highbury | I think I'd like to get the Intel Quad Q6600, the price is right! |
| 02:24.27 | gw280 | the Q6600 is a nice chip |
| 02:24.28 | z00dax | the odd thing is, i only run it at 0.8Ghz for 98% of the time ( yes, i ran a script that checked it over a period of 4 months ) |
| 02:24.30 | gw280 | got one in my desktop |
| 02:24.36 | Discordian | I've never owned anything > 1Gb |
| 02:24.39 | z00dax | so i am not sure why i have the 2.2Ghz chip :D |
| 02:24.58 | z00dax | gw280: would be even better if you could dual cpu the machine |
| 02:25.07 | Discordian | I run my Intel 1.6Ghz dual at 0.8 |
| 02:25.11 | z00dax | iirc, its designed in a way that it cant really be put into a dual socket mobo |
| 02:28.01 | highbury | nn |
| 02:30.43 | z00dax | highbury_away: nite |
| 08:34.42 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (i=1000@pcd245130.netvigator.com) |
| 09:18.41 | *** join/#gllug Avnit (i=22@gateway/tor/x-00675e2c3487b590) |
| 12:43.45 | *** join/#gllug Armand (n=Armand@82-44-154-93.cable.ubr02.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 12:46.58 | *** join/#gllug goltor (n=goltor@77-99-148-49.cable.ubr06.hari.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 12:53.48 | *** join/#gllug niv_one_three (n=niv@bzq-84-109-59-196.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 12:54.02 | niv_one_three | ok, here is something i dont get: I used to have a CRT hooked up to my ati 7500 |
| 12:54.15 | niv_one_three | I now connected a lcd using the same analog vga connector |
| 12:54.38 | niv_one_three | and a bad resolution - what is wrong? |
| 12:57.25 | *** part/#gllug gw280 (n=george@vm.gwright.org.uk) |
| 13:01.20 | wethrin | not native resolution? |
| 13:09.22 | niv_one_three | no |
| 13:09.28 | niv_one_three | here is my xorg.conf |
| 13:09.29 | niv_one_three | http://rafb.net/p/q7kN6051.html |
| 13:09.52 | niv_one_three | even after taking the tv lines out I still get the same 50hz issue |
| 13:10.18 | wethrin | Maybe you need to re-detect the monitor type? I honestly don't know |
| 13:10.32 | niv_one_three | thnaks mate |
| 13:10.47 | wethrin | But my first instinct with LCDs is to say that they're not being driven at their native resolution |
| 13:10.51 | niv_one_three | if I try to use te xorg.conf.new made by X -configure |
| 13:10.59 | niv_one_three | and it doesn work - something is wrong |
| 13:40.48 | niv_one_three | how may I have vim take me o each place it finds "string1" and allow me to replace it with "string2" ? |
| 13:41.09 | niv_one_three | I dont want to change all the places "string1" appears |
| 13:44.10 | pippin | combine search with replace, first /string1<return> :s/string1/string2/ then repeatedly strike n to get to next match, and & to reuse the previous substitution |
| 13:44.26 | *** join/#gllug Armand (n=Armand@82-44-154-93.cable.ubr02.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 13:45.11 | niv_one_three | thnaks |
| 13:45.32 | niv_one_three | how to get the "string1" that was marked cleared? |
| 13:46.37 | pippin | dunno, I don't care much about the search highlight, perhaps search for something random that isn't in the file :d |
| 13:47.59 | niv_one_three | thanks |
| 13:51.26 | niv_one_three | pippin: when I hit n to move to the next find , then hit & , I replace the previus find , I tried to leave-as-is |
| 13:52.53 | pippin | ah, if they are on the same line, then I guess this would happen |
| 13:53.13 | niv_one_three | :-( is there any help to this/; |
| 13:53.15 | niv_one_three | ? |
| 13:53.49 | antiphase | Just correct it by hand you lazy bugger ;) |
| 13:54.00 | niv_one_three | but but but |
| 13:54.12 | antiphase | You could have done it by now... |
| 13:54.24 | niv_one_three | I bought a big fast pc... |
| 13:54.33 | pippin | %s/foo/bar/gc |
| 13:54.46 | niv_one_three | let me see this ... |
| 13:55.20 | niv_one_three | can I apply for extra credit if i also master vim by the end of the course? |
| 13:55.23 | pippin | (which is what google told me for a search string of "search and replace confirm vim" :]) |
| 13:56.29 | antiphase | :help & says the same thing |
| 14:01.00 | niv_one_three | pippin thanks for /gc i didnt think of asking google about confirm |
| 14:01.15 | niv_one_three | my bad, nw I am raving |
| 15:56.56 | Leeds | evening all |
| 16:22.10 | boudiccas | evening Leeds |
| 16:25.20 | Leeds | and good night :-) |
| 16:25.21 | *** join/#gllug berend72 (n=berend@c-aaa6e055.537-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 16:25.34 | boudiccas | nn Leeds :) |
| 16:25.35 | berend72 | Hi there |
| 16:25.47 | boudiccas | hi berend72 |
| 16:26.27 | berend72 | I have been using linux for 12 years. But I have a quite offtopic question ... |
| 16:26.29 | berend72 | Hi bou, |
| 16:26.43 | berend72 | Hi boudiccas |
| 16:27.00 | boudiccas | you have redeemed yourself :) |
| 16:27.09 | boudiccas | continue please |
| 16:27.31 | berend72 | well I am considering moving to London and have some questions to ask about that. |
| 16:29.48 | boudiccas | well, you've made a statement but haven't asked any questions, so what more can i say? |
| 16:30.18 | berend72 | I'm sorry |
| 16:30.24 | berend72 | I was kind of waiting to get approval |
| 16:30.27 | berend72 | or disproval |
| 16:30.35 | antiphase | of... |
| 16:30.36 | boudiccas | you dont need approval, just ask |
| 16:30.54 | Leeds | I disapprove, on principle |
| 16:30.55 | berend72 | OK - I've got a job offer, computer science, in London |
| 16:31.15 | boudiccas | Leeds; thought you'd goe to bed! :) |
| 16:31.20 | boudiccas | *gone |
| 16:31.25 | berend72 | What kind of area should I live? |
| 16:31.29 | hali | berend72: you are welcome to join the 40.000 people strong swedish population here |
| 16:31.37 | etorix | not in Leeds |
| 16:31.43 | hali | not in Leeds |
| 16:31.44 | berend72 | hali I'm not Swedish, although lived here for 6 years. |
| 16:31.44 | hali | indeed |
| 16:31.48 | Leeds | not in Leeds |
| 16:31.56 | boudiccas | berend72; depends on what you can afford |
| 16:32.06 | Leeds | I suggest Kensington |
| 16:32.10 | etorix | wheres the job |
| 16:32.17 | berend72 | boudiccas I've looked around on findaproperty |
| 16:32.29 | berend72 | I have 2 6 years olds as well. |
| 16:32.35 | boudiccas | berend72; knightsbridge is a nice area i'm told |
| 16:32.43 | hali | berend72: little bit north london is ok, not too expensive |
| 16:32.51 | hali | berend72: swiss cottage, angel, islington sort of |
| 16:33.01 | berend72 | What about surrey? |
| 16:33.01 | hali | berend72: hampstead perhaps |
| 16:33.14 | boudiccas | what about Surrey? |
| 16:33.15 | hali | berend72: out in the sticks |
| 16:33.21 | hali | berend72: where is the job? |
| 16:33.25 | berend72 | What do you mean with that? |
| 16:33.26 | boudiccas | live in kent, its nice |
| 16:33.34 | antiphase | Where;'s the job, how much can you spend, how much time and money are you prepared to spend on commuting |
| 16:33.41 | Leeds | I suggest Milton Keynes |
| 16:33.58 | hali | milton keynes?! |
| 16:34.00 | boudiccas | Leeds; Norwich is now commutable distance of London! |
| 16:34.09 | berend72 | The job is near Gloucester Road |
| 16:34.16 | etorix | brighton is nice, if yer gay |
| 16:34.25 | berend72 | I'm not ;-) |
| 16:34.31 | antiphase | Presumably that's the A40 |
| 16:34.35 | berend72 | I have 2 kids, 6 year olds, and a wife. |
| 16:34.36 | hali | berend72: hm, surrey would be a close to 90min commute to glocester road |
| 16:34.55 | berend72 | hali That is quite long, yes. |
| 16:35.04 | berend72 | hali No tube connections? |
| 16:35.20 | hali | berend72: nope, you have to take the mainline train and then the tube in central london |
| 16:35.24 | boudiccas | berend72; to where |
| 16:35.50 | hali | berend72: depending on mainline trains it could be fairly quick, 1h perhaps... if you live close to a fast train station |
| 16:36.06 | hali | berend72: bromley would probably be ok actually |
| 16:36.12 | berend72 | Hounslow? |
| 16:36.28 | etorix | picadilly line |
| 16:36.42 | berend72 | Yes, that would be excellent, right? But is it a nice area to live? |
| 16:36.45 | hali | berend72: www.tfl.gov.uk .... travel for london |
| 16:37.06 | boudiccas | berend72; define 'nice' in regard to areas to live |
| 16:37.10 | berend72 | thanks for the link. |
| 16:37.20 | Leeds | nice, affordable, vaguely close to work - pick two |
| 16:37.21 | berend72 | Nice means there are relatively good schools for my kids. |
| 16:37.31 | hali | berend72: www.upmystreet.com ... has got crime rates and stuff for each area |
| 16:37.50 | hali | Hounslow should be "ok" |
| 16:37.52 | Leeds | berend72: are you actually familiar with London, or is this remote research all you know? |
| 16:38.02 | etorix | picadilly line is fast |
| 16:38.02 | berend72 | Affordable is difficult to define for me. How much times an annual salary does a bank loan? |
| 16:38.23 | hali | 4 times salary usual |
| 16:38.25 | berend72 | Leeds I am not really familiar with London. I was there last week for 2 days and got a job. |
| 16:38.57 | hali | berend72: i would consider renting for the first 6 months |
| 16:39.08 | berend72 | OK - let's say then I'd be prepared to spend somewhere between 300k and 400k pounds. |
| 16:39.16 | antiphase | Do none of you pikey buggers actually live inside Zone 3? |
| 16:39.19 | Leeds | I would not even consider buying immediately |
| 16:39.33 | boudiccas | berend72; is it possible for you to work over here for a fortnight/month wihtout the family whilst you find somewhere to live and investigate schools etc |
| 16:39.34 | hali | antiphase: i never leave zone 1 |
| 16:39.47 | antiphase | So why the fuck are people suggesting Hounslow? |
| 16:39.49 | berend72 | boudiccas Definately I should do it that way. |
| 16:40.04 | berend72 | antiphase What is wrong with Hounslow? |
| 16:40.11 | antiphase | Nothing, it's not really London though |
| 16:40.19 | Leeds | in HK it is normal to live in a services apartment for a month or two before finding a place - and it's common for a new employer to pay for that, assuming they know that the new employee is moving internationally |
| 16:40.19 | berend72 | Another question I have - children going to school - does that cost money? |
| 16:40.21 | antiphase | Depends how much you value your time |
| 16:40.31 | hali | antiphase: finding a house with three+ bedrooms in central london isn't exactly easy on a budget |
| 16:40.40 | Leeds | berend72: what is your nationality/visa status? |
| 16:40.46 | berend72 | I am Dutch. |
| 16:40.49 | etorix | hounslow is on the picadilly line |
| 16:41.07 | berend72 | I would actually prefer not to live too centrally |
| 16:41.39 | Leeds | berend72: London is *huge* - not too centrally can mean a 90 minute journey to work, easily |
| 16:41.49 | antiphase | So pick somewhere and check out the prices, then come back and ask us if it's a shithole ;) |
| 16:42.19 | berend72 | Leeds Yes I understand - let's say I restrict to 60 minutes commute |
| 16:42.47 | berend72 | But what about schools? Are they free? Where are the better schools? |
| 16:42.51 | antiphase | Takes me 60 minutes on average to get from Wandsworth to Holborn |
| 16:43.03 | hali | berend72: again bromley, 20mins to victoria and then just 10mins on the circle line to glocester road |
| 16:43.10 | boudiccas | the better the school is the higher the property prices are! |
| 16:43.15 | Leeds | the better schools are not free :-) |
| 16:43.18 | antiphase | It takes 50% longer at the times you'll need to travel |
| 16:43.45 | berend72 | hali Thanks, I'll have a look! |
| 16:43.54 | berend72 | Leeds What does a school cost? |
| 16:44.02 | boudiccas | Kent still has grammer schools |
| 16:44.46 | boudiccas | if you lived in Maidstone the schools are good and its an hours train journey up to London before you get on the tube |
| 16:45.03 | boudiccas | you pays your money you makes your choice |
| 16:45.21 | berend72 | boudiccas So "free" schools are typically not very good? |
| 16:45.26 | Leeds | you pays plenty of money and doesn't get such a good choice |
| 16:46.06 | berend72 | So there are no free schools? |
| 16:46.11 | boudiccas | berend72; i didnt say that. i know nothing about 'free' schools as compared to 'paid' schools in kent |
| 16:46.31 | Leeds | berend72: state schools are free, private schools are expensive... both types vary from 'appalling' to 'excellent', the average quality is much higher in private schools, and as has been pointed out, property prices are significantly higher in areas with good state schools |
| 16:46.53 | boudiccas | well sais Leeds |
| 16:46.56 | boudiccas | *said |
| 16:47.06 | berend72 | So when you live in an area, you are automatically appointed a state school in that region? |
| 16:47.19 | Leeds | in general, you cannot send your children to a state school outside of your area |
| 16:47.24 | berend72 | OK |
| 16:47.37 | Leeds | I don't know the details, having neither attended not send children to a state school |
| 16:47.40 | berend72 | Are there public figures on how good schools are in a certain region? |
| 16:47.55 | berend72 | What is a "typical" price for a private school? |
| 16:47.55 | Leeds | yes, there are - somewhere like upmystreet should really have them |
| 16:48.51 | boudiccas | berend72; define 'typical'??? |
| 16:49.13 | berend72 | Is it 2k pounds per year? or 20? |
| 16:49.36 | boudiccas | it could be, or anything in between |
| 16:49.55 | boudiccas | you pays your money you makes your choice |
| 16:50.54 | berend72 | Is it difficult to get in to a school? |
| 16:51.07 | boudiccas | basically you need to have your budget worked out and then see what schools are within your price range |
| 16:51.41 | Leeds | it can be difficult to get into a good school, I think |
| 16:51.47 | boudiccas | which should also included transport to and from the school and any zone fees |
| 16:52.28 | Leeds | berend72: a serious suggestion - there are better places to find this information than in a Linux-focussed IRC channel... we do not have many parents in here, as far as I know |
| 16:52.45 | berend72 | Yes I'm sorry about this offtopic questions. |
| 16:52.56 | berend72 | It's not so easy finding this kind of information online |
| 16:53.03 | berend72 | and the information you have been giving me is very useful! |
| 16:53.29 | Leeds | I'm not telling you off, but it's obviously very important information, and you'll get a better response elsewhere |
| 16:53.45 | berend72 | Leeds Where? |
| 16:53.58 | berend72 | Does "Community school" mean it is a state school? |
| 16:54.17 | boudiccas | it could be 'community sponsored' |
| 16:54.35 | boudiccas | or it could be a state school. the best answer is to ask them |
| 16:55.17 | berend72 | boudiccas How can I see if a school is a state school? for instance, http://www.upmystreet.com/local/schools/primary/profile/l/Morden-4693.html?schId=Pri_3152089 |
| 16:58.30 | boudiccas | no idea. write and ask them? go and visit during the daytime? ring them up and ask them? |
| 16:58.51 | berend72 | You are right - great advice! |
| 16:59.03 | Leeds | berend72: I'm going to guess that you're not junior staff, and that your new employer is aware you're moving internationally to an unknown city to take up the position, right? |
| 16:59.10 | berend72 | Sorry for bothering you with these quite offtopic questoins! |
| 16:59.17 | boudiccas | its no problem |
| 16:59.28 | berend72 | Leeds Yes - true - they will help me. |
| 16:59.45 | hali | good luck with getting a bank account :P |
| 16:59.57 | hali | took me 2 months or so to get one |
| 16:59.59 | berend72 | hali ? Is that difficult? |
| 17:00.17 | berend72 | hali I should start right away!! |
| 17:00.30 | pippin | berend72: you need proof of residence (a utility bill or similar) |
| 17:00.49 | hali | you need proof of address and stuff, so you pretty much need to "live" somewhere to get that, and it is difficult to get water, electricity, phone etc without a bank account.. so it's a bit of catch 22 |
| 17:00.59 | berend72 | haha |
| 17:01.05 | berend72 | that sounds funny indeed. |
| 17:01.19 | berend72 | You have to start in the dark&cold |
| 17:01.40 | hali | depends on your employeer as well, sometimes the bank trusts the employeer reference and will just give you an account |
| 17:01.48 | hali | i joined a statup so they had no pull |
| 17:01.48 | berend72 | I hope such details will be arranged by my employer to be honest. |
| 17:02.13 | etorix | heh, best check |
| 17:02.19 | hali | glocester road sounds like a smallish financial company... like a hedge fund? |
| 17:02.27 | berend72 | The employer is quite used to international employees. |
| 17:02.41 | berend72 | hali No not really ;-) |
| 17:02.45 | berend72 | hali Imperial College |
| 17:03.09 | etorix | not too far from the tube |
| 17:03.12 | hali | ah, i used to live around there |
| 17:03.21 | hali | across the park in bayswater |
| 17:03.27 | pippin | since the topic of the evening is housing, does anyone know of a house- or flat-share easily commutable to bromley? :d |
| 17:05.27 | berend72 | Wimbeldon - is that a nice area to live? |
| 17:05.41 | antiphase | If you like being stabbed |
| 17:06.01 | hali | wimbeldon isn't that bad |
| 17:06.17 | antiphase | Most of London has pockets of hugely expensive accommodation amongst a load of shit |
| 17:06.20 | hali | getting quite posh |
| 17:06.44 | antiphase | Even if you pay big dollar you'll likely be living within a mile or so of a dump |
| 17:07.37 | berend72 | antiphase Not good - Wimbeldon? No, I don't like being stabbed |
| 17:07.48 | hali | council estates are everywhere though, always a "risk" |
| 17:08.09 | antiphase | Just don't live east of the City, and you'll probably be fine |
| 17:08.27 | hali | i live east of the city, not been stabbed so far |
| 17:08.54 | hali | or well, it's just east of liverpool street |
| 17:10.06 | hali | Lewisham or something like that would be worse |
| 17:10.08 | berend72 | So generally speaking, East London is to avoid |
| 17:10.16 | hali | berend72: yes |
| 17:10.31 | hali | berend72: stay clear of east london and the horrors of Essex |
| 17:10.34 | etorix | sw is fairly ok tho |
| 17:11.10 | berend72 | hali thanks for the info! |
| 17:11.17 | hali | shools in east london are *shit* |
| 17:11.27 | hali | west or south west is much better |
| 17:11.33 | hali | or further out south east |
| 17:12.04 | berend72 | Richmond? |
| 17:12.11 | hali | richmond is excellent |
| 17:12.14 | hali | good golf course |
| 17:12.14 | berend72 | seems quite expensive. |
| 17:12.17 | hali | it is |
| 17:12.21 | hali | but great area |
| 17:12.22 | berend72 | I don't play golf |
| 17:12.54 | berend72 | One question - have house prices started going down? What is the general expectation? |
| 17:13.18 | hali | not sure if prices are going down, but they sure aren't going up in many areas |
| 17:13.23 | boudiccas | not afaik. too early to tell |
| 17:13.27 | hali | quite stable |
| 17:14.03 | berend72 | I saw an item here on the news, some time ago, about many people standing in line before a bank in London to get their money. |
| 17:14.11 | berend72 | That isn't a good sign. |
| 17:14.23 | hali | berend72: hehe, that was just the bank northern rock colapsing |
| 17:14.29 | berend72 | yes indeed. |
| 17:14.33 | hali | berend72: fairly small back |
| 17:14.36 | hali | bank* |
| 17:14.50 | etorix | sub-prime fallout |
| 17:15.29 | hali | but some banks are being burnt by bad debt |
| 17:15.29 | hali | was it UBS that got the hump? |
| 17:15.29 | boudiccas | so it will be harder to get credit from them |
| 17:15.29 | hali | thye lost *shitloads* when they had to write off bad debt |
| 17:15.29 | berend72 | I can imagine, yes. |
| 17:15.44 | hali | banks lile HSBC and RBS are still making double digit billion pount profits :) |
| 17:15.49 | berend72 | I guess as long as you lend less than 80% of the value of the house, it shouldn't be a problem. |
| 17:15.57 | wethrin | banks like HSBC can suck my sweaty nutsack |
| 17:16.14 | wethrin | As they're staffed by a bunch of worthless cunts |
| 17:16.19 | hali | no problem at all, the breaking point is usually 90% .. if you have 80% cash it should be fine, pretty much zero risk for the bank |
| 17:16.37 | hali | i like HSBC, one of our best clients, their IT people actually have a clue :) |
| 17:16.47 | wethrin | Oh dear. |
| 17:16.50 | berend72 | hali sure - I am selling a house here in Sweden and making about 100k pounds of profit on that. |
| 17:16.55 | wethrin | It's always been painful whenever I've had to deal with them |
| 17:17.06 | wethrin | Barclays are another bunch of shysters |
| 17:17.13 | hali | bl, songs of praise just started on bbc1 |
| 17:17.24 | wethrin | yay |
| 17:17.33 | boudiccas | hali; where is it from??? |
| 17:17.51 | hali | boudiccas: Edinburgh |
| 17:17.59 | boudiccas | ah, ty |
| 17:18.09 | wethrin | who's in Edinburgh? |
| 17:18.18 | boudiccas | wethrin; songs of paraise |
| 17:18.21 | wethrin | Ahhh |
| 17:18.23 | boudiccas | *priase |
| 17:18.25 | pippin | berend72: I've been trying to sell an apartment in small-city.no for ~3months now :| |
| 17:18.28 | boudiccas | *praise |
| 17:18.29 | wethrin | try again :) |
| 17:18.30 | z00dax | it was a dark and stormy night.. |
| 17:18.51 | boudiccas | and the typoes were flying thick and fast .... |
| 17:19.18 | z00dax | Suddenly, a shot rang out! |
| 17:19.37 | boudiccas | as a sword knifed through the air |
| 17:19.38 | berend72 | pippin How far from London? |
| 17:19.44 | hali | hm, the screen on this toshiba laptop is really odd... it requires 20 mins "warming up" before the picture is at it's best |
| 17:20.16 | pippin | berend72: small-city.no == Gjøvik/Norway |
| 17:20.23 | boudiccas | hali; theres a joke in there somewhere but atm i cant think of it |
| 17:20.34 | z00dax | there was panic in the air; the kernel compile was not done yet! |
| 17:20.56 | z00dax | pippin: I'll give you a fiver for it ? |
| 17:21.00 | hali | boudiccas: yes, something about a handjob comes to mind |
| 17:21.07 | boudiccas | z00dax; are you playing with gentoo again? :))) |
| 17:21.31 | z00dax | boudiccas: no, just spent the last 18 hrs getting CentOS-5 to work on ITX appliance box's |
| 17:21.34 | pippin | z00dax: nah, then I'd have lost way too much money on the real estate gamble |
| 17:21.36 | z00dax | and I am not quite there yet. |
| 17:21.38 | hali | have you geeks heard the song "the day the routers died"? :) |
| 17:21.45 | z00dax | pippin: awrite then. A Tenner ? |
| 17:21.56 | z00dax | hali: rings a bell |
| 17:22.01 | boudiccas | pippin; £15 |
| 17:22.12 | hali | z00dax: from the last ripe55 meeting, about switching to ipv6... it's on youtube |
| 17:22.16 | z00dax | £20 |
| 17:22.19 | kjalil | z00dax: hi! |
| 17:22.30 | boudiccas | pippin; £25 |
| 17:22.35 | z00dax | 25.50 |
| 17:22.45 | boudiccas | £25.60 |
| 17:22.51 | kjalil | z00dax: i just spent last week trying to put centos 5 on an old cobalt raq xtr |
| 17:23.08 | z00dax | kjalil: those are i686 machines, it should just work fine |
| 17:23.13 | kjalil | z00dax: just like you, i'm not quite there yet :) |
| 17:23.36 | berend72 | pippin O not london! I live in Gothenburg now. |
| 17:23.41 | z00dax | kjalil: but, you dont need to rebuild half the distro to make it work on a raq xtr ?? |
| 17:23.46 | z00dax | what / where are you getting stuck ? |
| 17:23.46 | kjalil | z00dax: yes, but there are a lot of things to do before it will boot and then the kernel has to change, etc |
| 17:23.56 | pippin | does Stig (http://blog.brautaset.org/) drop by here from time to time? |
| 17:24.06 | kjalil | z00dax: ok, i could use some help |
| 17:24.11 | hali | The Stig? |
| 17:24.21 | pippin | berend72: I'm going to Gothenburg in a couple of weeks |
| 17:24.25 | boudiccas | stig of the dump? |
| 17:24.44 | kjalil | z00dax: i need to patch the stock centos kernel with cobalt patches. so far I have done it manually as for some reason I can't rebuild the kernel source rpm properly |
| 17:24.58 | z00dax | kjalil: humm |
| 17:25.27 | berend72 | pippin What's your connection to London? |
| 17:25.32 | boudiccas | stig of the dump is the title of a childrens book |
| 17:25.48 | z00dax | kjalil: can you point me at something ? |
| 17:26.00 | z00dax | also, apart from the kernel, do you need to modify anything else as well ? |
| 17:26.09 | pippin | berend72: I've recently started working in London and I'm currently hunting for a place to live :d |
| 17:26.09 | kjalil | z00dax: the xtr doesn't have a cdrom drive so I had to take the drive out, put it in a tower, install centos, and put it back and then it would hang unless the kernel was *just* right |
| 17:26.12 | z00dax | like the bootloader ? or does grub do the right thing |
| 17:26.32 | z00dax | kjalil: can make the kernel just right. if I knew what patches need to be put in |
| 17:27.06 | kjalil | z00dax: no you can't use a bootloader. the kernel must be in /boot, and MUST be called vmlinux.bz2 and must be smaller than 1880 k or so and some other things. |
| 17:27.13 | kjalil | z00dax: ok hang on |
| 17:27.15 | z00dax | hali: people in the audience look to be in significant pain during the song |
| 17:27.38 | kjalil | z00dax: i was trying to use your gurulabs rpm guide to help me rebuild the kernel, it is quite good |
| 17:27.56 | hali | z00dax: i changed channels when i noticed that jennifer love hewit is exposing herself on E4 |
| 17:27.57 | berend72 | pippin O I see! Same as me! Do you have a partner and/or kids? |
| 17:28.15 | z00dax | hali: at 5:30pm on Sunday ? |
| 17:28.25 | z00dax | i need a TV |
| 17:28.36 | hali | z00dax: yes, ghost whisperer i think it's called... she is looking very tasty |
| 17:28.37 | pippin | berend72: nope, I'm roaming freely without such constraints :] |
| 17:28.45 | berend72 | How is the job martket in London for higher educated people? |
| 17:28.49 | z00dax | hali: heh. enjoy. |
| 17:28.59 | berend72 | pippin That makes it a little easier, I guess. |
| 17:29.01 | z00dax | kjalil: actually i think its Karsten's guide... |
| 17:29.02 | pippin | berend72: no idea, I'm not looking for a job |
| 17:29.30 | kjalil | z00dax: i'm trying to follow this: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Custom_Kernel using these patches and .config file: http://gentoo.404ster.com/projects.php?action=view&id=4 |
| 17:29.59 | hali | berend72: education doesn't really matter that much, experience and attitude is worth more right now... linux/unix/database people can get ridiculus money |
| 17:30.04 | kjalil | z00dax: i don't remember the exact error, i will have to check it tomorrow. how can i contact you then? |
| 17:30.11 | z00dax | email works |
| 17:30.13 | kjalil | z00dax: nothing to do with gentoo |
| 17:30.26 | kjalil | z00dax: kk, will email you if I can't get it to work |
| 17:30.42 | z00dax | cool. |
| 17:30.53 | z00dax | email me even if you can get it to work . |
| 17:30.53 | hali | berend72: a friend of mine is doing java contracting, he's 26, from australia and a total party dude, but he still scores £490 per day contracting :) |
| 17:31.01 | z00dax | btw, are'nt those raq's a bit dated now ? |
| 17:31.35 | berend72 | Is the job market going up or down? Or stable? |
| 17:31.45 | z00dax | hali: how many days /month does he manage to contract for though :D |
| 17:31.45 | hali | up in some areas and stable in most |
| 17:32.00 | kjalil | z00dax: yes, boss thinks they can still be used for something though. like a backup server or anything not requring much horsepower |
| 17:32.07 | hali | z00dax: not sure, he's been doing it for 6ish months or so now |
| 17:32.19 | z00dax | cool |
| 17:32.24 | hali | for some totally stupid random reason sybase dba's are making sick money |
| 17:32.37 | z00dax | yeah i noticed that as well |
| 17:32.40 | hali | goldmans had a sybase role out with £95k basic |
| 17:32.45 | z00dax | as are terradata and abinitio people |
| 17:33.06 | z00dax | considering those guys hardly ever actually sell anything these days. its amazing how well the people in that loop manage to get apaid |
| 17:33.10 | hali | the whole bi game is going insane |
| 17:33.27 | z00dax | only, barrier to entry is massive |
| 17:33.47 | hali | i have a really hot thing on my CV now so im going for investment banking, i know the azul compute appliance... so ridiculus |
| 17:33.49 | kjalil | hali: 'bi'? |
| 17:34.03 | hali | kjalil: business intelligence... and bisexual servies |
| 17:34.08 | hali | services* |
| 17:34.17 | z00dax | is azul hot at the moment ? |
| 17:34.26 | hali | banks are screaming for azul people |
| 17:34.31 | z00dax | they seem to be making much noise about their box. |
| 17:34.36 | hali | it takes about 4 hours to learn |
| 17:34.46 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.53 | z00dax | hali: I know the feeling :D |
| 17:35.05 | z00dax | but i think the idea is that find people who already did the learning at someone elses expense |
| 17:35.08 | z00dax | even so |
| 17:35.09 | hali | z00dax: they got new funding |
| 17:35.12 | z00dax | its just a box |
| 17:37.23 | hali | yes |
| 17:37.54 | hali | the jvm is pretty cool though, performance monitor etc |
| 17:38.53 | kjalil | z00dax: i will try to write up a howto for it if possible. there still seem to be some people around repurposing these machines for various things |
| 17:39.11 | z00dax | kjalil: cool, that would be really cool |
| 17:46.23 | z00dax | ibot: seen stig |
| 17:46.25 | ibot | stig <n=stig@11.80-202-251.nextgentel.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowace, 134d 22h 42m 7s ago, saying: 'nick snirks'. |
| 17:46.40 | z00dax | pippin: i guess thats not the stig you are looking for ? |
| 17:47.17 | pippin | I wouldn't know, I'm looking for the one syndicated on the lug's planet, might be that one, might be another one |
| 17:49.52 | pippin | ibot: seen skugg |
| 17:49.53 | ibot | skugg <n=stig@braut.plus.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 226d 21h 9m 50s ago, saying: 'upgrading to etch borked my apache2 virtual hosts -- only the first one is honoured. hints please!'. |
| 17:50.14 | z00dax | kjalil: btw, does BlueQuartz not work ? |
| 17:51.48 | kjalil | z00dax: isn't bluequartz the web ui for it? i haven't gotten that far yet. i will look at it when everything else is sorted out |
| 17:52.09 | z00dax | is it only the UI ? I thought it was a complete thing. |
| 17:53.09 | kjalil | z00dax: i think it is only the UI. I think rackstar.net do the complete thing |
| 17:54.19 | z00dax | hummm |
| 17:54.52 | z00dax | well, i dont have a machine i can test with, so i cant really do this on my own. however if there is source stuff that needs going, and someone is happy to do the testing - we can do a complete iso if we need to |
| 17:55.08 | z00dax | also, it should be possible to do a network installer if you cant install from cd-rom |
| 17:55.44 | berend72 | hali is azul a java shell? |
| 17:56.28 | z00dax | berend72: its mostly a vm implementation |
| 17:56.38 | z00dax | the complete thing |
| 17:56.52 | berend72 | So it competes with SUN? |
| 17:57.16 | z00dax | potentiall... but i suspect there are royalty and license fee's being paid |
| 17:57.34 | berend72 | I see. Why use azul instead of suns vm? |
| 18:00.04 | z00dax | berend72: check their website. |
| 18:00.11 | berend72 | sure I will. |
| 18:00.17 | z00dax | they sell on speed and reliability improvements |
| 18:16.57 | hali | berend72: they have a multi-core compute appliance, startign at 96 cores... it simply offloads java computation to the appliance instead on the server the jvm runs on |
| 18:17.25 | hali | berend72: obviously poor single threaded performance but multithreading is really fast |
| 18:17.48 | hali | berend72: custom gc and stuff, no stop-the-world events etc |
| 18:17.49 | berend72 | OK I see. |
| 18:17.57 | berend72 | I'm not a java expert. |
| 18:18.01 | berend72 | just a user |
| 18:19.24 | z00dax | i thought it was a complete jvm implementation as well ? |
| 18:20.05 | hali | well it is and it isn't |
| 18:20.27 | hali | it's a "jvm wrapper", it needs a sun or ibm jdk to work |
| 18:21.06 | hali | when installing the azul jdk it asks for the location of the jdk to "mimic" |
| 18:22.55 | berend72 | I use an application called eclipse running on java |
| 18:23.29 | z00dax | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gKGzd9F8OA |
| 18:24.44 | z00dax | although i think you can do much more funky things in the field of network monitoring with xmas lights |
| 19:09.07 | boudiccas | z00dax; lol |
| 19:29.08 | *** part/#gllug benoyst (i=monk@bao.maleloria.org) |
| 20:07.36 | *** join/#gllug Avnit (i=22@gateway/tor/x-97c7a36a8173afa9) |
| 21:20.29 | *** join/#gllug eeyore_ (n=mpcooke3@78-86-1-65.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 22:27.23 | z00dax | kjalil: how many of those machines do you have ? |
| 22:39.25 | *** join/#gllug xotl (n=chatzill@82-36-240-97.cable.ubr04.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:15.37 | *** join/#gllug poeloq_ (n=poeloq@77-99-188-44.cable.ubr01.hari.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 23:15.42 | poeloq_ | hi |
| 23:21.50 | poeloq_ | anybody know of any weekly events or places for geeks to hang out around London, meet new faces and so on? |
| 23:22.00 | poeloq_ | Sadly, I just missed the last GLLUG meeting :( |
| 23:26.32 | hali | just send an email to gllug-social and say you want to go to the pub :) |
| 23:26.35 | hali | people will show up |
| 23:27.52 | hali | at least if it's in a fairly accessable location |
| 23:27.57 | hali | romford is probably a bad choice |
| 23:30.24 | poeloq_ | hali: ic, cool. I'm in Tottenham, so can easily get anywhere |
| 23:32.16 | wethrin | People seem to be getting more rubbish at turning up to pubs now, though |
| 23:32.49 | hali | soho is good, i've been ranting about going to the pillars of hercules |
| 23:32.52 | hali | very geeky pub |
| 23:33.03 | hali | bit small perhaps |
| 23:33.35 | poeloq_ | never heard of it - will give a try ;) |
| 23:39.13 | wethrin | Mmm....Pillars |
| 23:39.25 | wethrin | Although the landlord changed a couple of years ago, didn't he? |
| 23:50.20 | *** join/#gllug Leeds (n=richardc@pcd245130.netvigator.com) |