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| 12:01.47 | nDJ_InsticT | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.46 | Ch0Hag | I don't understand these people who say Linux is difficult these days. |
| 12:04.55 | Ch0Hag | I had no idea how to use my scanner in OS X. |
| 12:06.12 | Ch0Hag | In Gnome you just load 'Image scanning program'. |
| 12:06.20 | Ch0Hag | Not that I use Gnome myself. |
| 12:07.14 | Ch0Hag | ISTR that even in Windows it's almost straightforward. |
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| 12:16.15 | zmey_g | Ch0Hag: quite agree with you on this. btw installed Fedora8 last week and very happy with it even though always consider myself debian man. very nice distro. |
| 12:25.26 | Ch0Hag | Tell me that when Fedora 9 comes out. |
| 12:27.54 | zmey_g | Ch0Hag: :) sure. keep listen to me. which distro do you use? |
| 12:28.01 | Ch0Hag | Debian. |
| 12:28.09 | Ch0Hag | But I give the lusers Ubuntu. |
| 12:28.34 | Ch0Hag | The Mac runs OSX until I can download^Wbuy the latest version and change it to dual OSX/Ubuntu. |
| 12:29.00 | zmey_g | choice of the champions. me too. |
| 12:36.53 | dick_turpin | Ha ha my Nokia N810 has arrived! |
| 12:46.10 | hali | sweet |
| 12:46.14 | hali | how's the keyboard? |
| 12:48.43 | dick_turpin | hali: I'm not allowed to play with it until Christmas day I can only drool over it until tonight |
| 12:49.05 | dick_turpin | hali: When the misses will take it off me and wrap it |
| 12:53.25 | zmey_g | does anybody had an any experience with HP 530 laptop? |
| 12:54.34 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Wassup? |
| 12:55.00 | zmey_g | just ordered it |
| 12:55.11 | dick_turpin | Nice |
| 12:55.46 | zmey_g | all reviews are good, but just curious was it a good choice. |
| 12:56.38 | dick_turpin | zmey_g: Dunno, should be HP is pretty good quality |
| 12:57.50 | zmey_g | had to choose between toshiba satellite and hp. decided to go for hp |
| 12:58.18 | zmey_g | for my son christmas present |
| 12:59.05 | dick_turpin | Tosh is nice too I have an M2 Tosh |
| 12:59.27 | zmey_g | looking forward to be shot by own son in Quake 3 tournament. |
| 12:59.45 | dick_turpin | :-) |
| 13:00.15 | zmey_g | dick_turpin: i have toshiba satellite pro A100. cant complaint |
| 13:01.21 | dick_turpin | Mine runs ArchLinux but I've started messing around with Linux Mint |
| 13:01.43 | zmey_g | but decided to go for diversity as well to give equal opportunities to all brands. :) |
| 13:02.08 | zmey_g | Mint is nice |
| 13:03.37 | dick_turpin | Yeah I'm pretty impressed its a more palatable version of Ubuntu for me |
| 13:04.50 | zmey_g | i had Celena-rock solid distro. than upgraded it to Daryna it becomes broken a bit, returned back to celena |
| 13:05.35 | zmey_g | than moved to Fedora8 just week ago to give it a try, very happy so far |
| 13:05.38 | dick_turpin | Hm I had about 10 minutes play with it last night |
| 13:05.53 | zmey_g | daryna? |
| 13:06.22 | dick_turpin | I chose to have Root user but my choice seems to have been ignored (daryna) |
| 13:06.40 | zmey_g | worked for me |
| 13:07.12 | dick_turpin | I don't like sudo just a personal choice really |
| 13:07.49 | zmey_g | i think they have mint config tool in System tools and you can change it to root |
| 13:08.37 | zmey_g | you can cancel fortune wishes if you want too as well |
| 13:08.48 | dick_turpin | Yeah, I had to install Nvidia and tweak the settings (I always have to its my Monitors fault) |
| 13:09.09 | dick_turpin | And downloaded 122 updates |
| 13:09.32 | zmey_g | i have radeon express m200. too bad |
| 13:09.48 | dick_turpin | Nvidia 6200 |
| 13:09.58 | zmey_g | always have something to do with it |
| 13:11.01 | zmey_g | ati has badly drv. i wish they woud do something |
| 13:11.44 | dick_turpin | Na every distro thinks my monitor does 75 hertz, it don't its 60 Hertz |
| 13:11.55 | zmey_g | :) |
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| 14:18.21 | goibhniu | hmm .. is www.gllug.org.uk down? |
| 14:19.36 | wethrin | Either that, or the Durham network's fucked again |
| 14:19.40 | wethrin | Both are likely |
| 14:29.23 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Your mums let you out to play then? |
| 14:31.07 | goibhniu | I told her I was doing my homework on the internet :D |
| 14:33.16 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Phew, so the curfew is lifted then? |
| 14:35.57 | goibhniu | :D |
| 14:36.23 | goibhniu | I see you're floggin them EEEs |
| 14:36.35 | goibhniu | I saw one the other day down town |
| 14:36.47 | goibhniu | been considering it for me Ma |
| 14:37.34 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I've had an enquiry for 10 of em |
| 14:38.00 | goibhniu | in one load? |
| 14:38.07 | goibhniu | that sounds pretty good |
| 14:38.13 | goibhniu | are they selling well? |
| 14:38.31 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Yeah trouble is they are now in constraint |
| 14:39.00 | goibhniu | you can't get enough? |
| 14:42.28 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Heard Linux Outlaws? Guess who gets another mention? |
| 14:43.12 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: what does it mean, that they're in constraint .. that's sales sp33k |
| 14:43.21 | goibhniu | I didn't hear it yet |
| 14:43.34 | goibhniu | I was just listening to tllts earlier |
| 14:43.52 | goibhniu | apparently Linux Format went around slating all the US linux podcasts :D |
| 14:44.07 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Constraint = Cant get em, there are some hooky Chinese ones on eBay though |
| 14:44.25 | goibhniu | but they interview the new arch dictator |
| 14:45.01 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Did you see the Arch fuck up? |
| 14:45.11 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: but you mean .. the phones are hoppin for them .. and you can't get enough? .. or you got an order for 10 and it's not gonna happen? |
| 14:45.21 | goibhniu | no .. what did they do now? |
| 14:45.30 | dick_turpin | http://archlinux.org/news/369/ |
| 14:46.14 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: No got an enquiry for 10 but cant get em so customer went off in a huff |
| 14:46.24 | goibhniu | ah |
| 14:46.41 | goibhniu | so does that bug mean bash was broken for lots of people? |
| 14:46.51 | goibhniu | could you even run pacman? |
| 14:47.11 | dick_turpin | Not for me I've not updated for about three weeks now :-) |
| 14:47.21 | goibhniu | yeah, it's scary |
| 14:47.32 | dick_turpin | Man I was lucky |
| 14:47.53 | goibhniu | I was discussing arch with someone the other day |
| 14:48.05 | dick_turpin | go on |
| 14:48.12 | goibhniu | apparently it's a very controversial idea to keep a spare kernel around in case the upgrade goes wrong |
| 14:48.26 | dick_turpin | pays though |
| 14:48.30 | goibhniu | they prefer to just replace it and hope for the best |
| 14:48.47 | dick_turpin | rotflmao "Hit it and hope" |
| 14:48.53 | goibhniu | it sounds like they don't want it |
| 14:49.08 | goibhniu | the only way to do it is to install your own one |
| 14:49.09 | mikejw | want what? |
| 14:49.36 | dick_turpin | I'm playing with Linux Mint at the moment and I'm very impressed |
| 14:49.41 | goibhniu | they don't want to leave old kernels on your machine |
| 14:49.46 | goibhniu | it's dirty or something |
| 14:49.57 | mikejw | weird |
| 14:50.06 | goibhniu | even though ... kernel upgrades for arch do go wrong .. very badly wrong |
| 14:50.19 | mikejw | it's nice to have options |
| 14:50.35 | goibhniu | and then the solution is "oh just simply boot up a live cd, chroot, compile a fresh kernel ... blahdeblah" |
| 14:50.46 | mikejw | hmm |
| 14:50.54 | goibhniu | yeah ... maybe I don't understand the situation |
| 14:51.13 | goibhniu | I'm more scared of arch than ever now though :D |
| 14:51.19 | mikejw | :D |
| 14:51.21 | goibhniu | mikejw: did you stick with gentoo for a while? |
| 14:51.29 | mikejw | still rocking out with it yep |
| 14:51.34 | goibhniu | spicy :D |
| 14:51.49 | mikejw | I haven't played with it too much though since setting it up... |
| 14:51.49 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: Rewind you've lost me a bit |
| 14:52.29 | mikejw | I have no personal computer of my own right now, apart from a Dell pentium 3 that has slackware on it and gives me access to my mp3s :/ |
| 14:52.34 | goibhniu | mikejw: there are some extras I like to install for making life easier |
| 14:52.59 | goibhniu | ah ... shazbot :( |
| 14:53.16 | mikejw | yeah I'd like to start learning about ebuilds and stuff at some point |
| 14:54.00 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: arch keeps one and only one kernel on your machine at any time == /me scared of going near it |
| 14:54.03 | mikejw | yeah I'm humming and harring over what hardware to get hold of next |
| 14:54.28 | goibhniu | I got a quad core jobbie recently .. it's an animal |
| 14:54.57 | goibhniu | a few things don't work on it under ubuntu though |
| 14:54.57 | etorix | ddr3 is too pricy still |
| 14:55.20 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: But openSUSE F8 and some others do exactly the same they remove your current install the new |
| 14:55.45 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: ubuntu keeps them all there |
| 14:55.56 | mikejw | maybe I should get one of those asus eee things so that it won't be so much of a big deal when it get's doused in wine |
| 14:56.08 | goibhniu | yeah, they're tempting alright |
| 14:56.21 | goibhniu | did you drown your laptop? |
| 14:56.36 | mikejw | I did :( |
| 14:56.48 | goibhniu | oh gawd! |
| 14:56.58 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I'm wondering if I should have gone for an asus eee rather than the Nokia N810 |
| 14:57.02 | mikejw | super bum-steer |
| 14:57.39 | dick_turpin | mikejw: Did it spark and give off a little puff of smoke? |
| 14:57.47 | goibhniu | dick_turpin: they're both spicy aren't they? the nokia's much smaller too I spose |
| 14:58.06 | dick_turpin | goibhniu: I have mine sat next to me now :-) |
| 14:58.35 | mikejw | a whole glass of red wine went over the keyboard while it was on |
| 14:58.40 | mikejw | and then it died |
| 14:59.05 | goibhniu | did you salvage the hd or anything? |
| 14:59.09 | dick_turpin | mikejw: Has it dried out? Will it fire up? |
| 14:59.16 | mikejw | nay |
| 14:59.44 | mikejw | there wasn't anything on it important fortunately |
| 15:00.53 | mikejw | well there was some stuff but it was all backed up |
| 15:01.15 | mikejw | thank goodness |
| 15:05.15 | zmey_g | goibhniu: hi, how doing! |
| 15:05.57 | goibhniu | ah zmey_g! .. I meant to get in touch! |
| 15:06.05 | goibhniu | I'm pretty good thanks |
| 15:06.26 | zmey_g | so is the mouse ok? |
| 15:07.29 | zmey_g | can't stop myself thinking of it. |
| 15:07.33 | goibhniu | ah yes ... it's settled in nicely :D |
| 15:07.43 | zmey_g | oh good! |
| 15:07.47 | goibhniu | well, I haven't set up the keys or anythign |
| 15:08.06 | zmey_g | why? |
| 15:09.28 | goibhniu | didn't try :D |
| 15:10.13 | goibhniu | I think I'll set the squeeze to use the compiz scale thing |
| 15:14.33 | dick_turpin | Ooh quick looks like gllug list is building up to a petition in favour of topless linux models is that the coupe or the four door version? |
| 15:17.51 | Ch0Hag | More common accusations [of the gtk/gnome crowd] include ... "slavish devotees of emulating every design mistake Microsoft has ever made". |
| 15:17.56 | Ch0Hag | Can't find any way to disagree with that. |
| 15:28.13 | goibhniu | Ch0Hag: is that gtk folks accusing qt of that? |
| 15:36.11 | Ch0Hag | accusations of, not accusations by. |
| 15:38.17 | dick_turpin | mikejw: IBM X40? |
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| 15:49.42 | DJ_InstincT | any1 here doing VoiP on uk ADSL? |
| 16:12.43 | dick_turpin | anyone know how do I hide the n=somename@yadder.yadder stuff? in irssi? I have autorealname.pl which is enough for me |
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| 17:22.44 | Paul_UK | DJ_InstincT: is the voip just for you? |
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| 19:14.35 | DJ_InstincT | Paul: I am looking for ADSL for small company with a couple of IAX lines; just going to use line for VoiP. Ideally want low contention and packet loss etc.. |
| 19:18.06 | rhowe | Well, contention is pretty much fixed for ADSL, at least from the IPstream resellers |
| 19:18.22 | rhowe | I think BT do ~20:1 on business DSL, and ~40:1 on residential. Not too sure though |
| 19:18.30 | rhowe | Oh, well fine, leave then |
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| 20:05.13 | highbury | I could use fetchmail instead, but really just want to download the files straight into mbox folder, and not have to route it via my MTA |
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