| 00:02.43 | SpudULike | Indeed, Happy New Year to you all. |
| 00:04.11 | Discordian | Thank goodness 2007 is gone |
| 00:05.35 | Discordian | the firework show on the Thames looks good |
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| 00:24.10 | tarragon | Morning All |
| 00:40.24 | LeedsHK | tarragon, SpudULike... happy new foo |
| 00:40.41 | tarragon | Happy New Year LeedsHK |
| 00:41.07 | tarragon | Must be lunch time for you |
| 00:41.42 | LeedsHK | nah, would be breakfast if I'd got to bed before 4ish |
| 00:42.25 | tarragon | :-) |
| 00:43.56 | tarragon | Are you back in the UK for a visit soon? |
| 00:45.50 | LeedsHK | unlikely |
| 00:46.41 | LeedsHK | I was there in August/September, and I'm a little low on cash and very low on available leave time to make the trip again soon - it's got to be at least a week, really, to be worth it |
| 00:49.09 | tarragon | So 2009 then! |
| 00:51.58 | LeedsHK | I've got no idea where I'll be by 2009! |
| 00:53.37 | tarragon | HK, UK, IL? |
| 00:57.06 | LeedsHK | unlikely to be UK, I think |
| 00:58.38 | tarragon | Still enjoying HK? |
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| 12:36.48 | secretlondon | ello |
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| 12:47.56 | secretlondon | presumably because she didn't actually drink anything |
| 12:48.09 | secretlondon | although getting home was "fun" |
| 12:49.39 | cpufreak | my ears ring |
| 12:49.43 | cpufreak | I'm quite tired |
| 12:49.52 | cpufreak | but not really hungover either |
| 12:50.37 | cpufreak | despite a good few bottles of verve cliquot + moet being consumed |
| 13:05.54 | wethrin | Hello |
| 13:12.10 | tarragon | Hi Dan |
| 13:13.12 | wethrin | Ahoy! Happy New 2008 |
| 13:14.41 | tarragon | Have you booked your hotel/hostel for Fosdem yet? |
| 13:15.39 | wethrin | No |
| 13:15.50 | wethrin | I'm hoping to stay in the Van Gogh, which only books 1 month in advance |
| 13:16.35 | wethrin | I've booked travel, though |
| 13:16.54 | tarragon | I booked my flights yesterday |
| 13:17.03 | wethrin | Flying? Very swish. |
| 13:17.23 | tarragon | More a case of necessary to get back for work. |
| 13:17.33 | wethrin | ah |
| 13:17.39 | wethrin | Is work paying for you to go there? |
| 13:18.01 | tarragon | Ha Ha Ha. No!!! |
| 13:18.16 | wethrin | Bah! |
| 13:18.34 | tarragon | They just don't like me taking any time off that would benefit me. |
| 13:19.31 | tarragon | All I need to sort out is beer tokens, although I will NOT be drinking as much as last time. |
| 13:25.05 | wethrin | Not even on the Friday? |
| 13:26.48 | tarragon | I assume we are in the Roy again. That wasn't too bad because we were all keen for the lectures on the Saturday |
| 13:28.59 | wethrin | No, we're no in the Roy |
| 13:29.05 | wethrin | they've decided to change venue |
| 13:29.18 | tarragon | ?? |
| 13:29.51 | wethrin | Apparently we've outgrown the Roy |
| 13:29.57 | tarragon | We are in a cafe? |
| 13:30.26 | wethrin | Yes |
| 13:30.29 | wethrin | Delirium Cafe |
| 13:30.58 | tarragon | 2000 beers - I think I am in love |
| 13:31.37 | wethrin | And you wanted to drink less..... |
| 13:31.46 | wethrin | Maybe we'll go back there on the Saturday :) |
| 13:37.06 | tarragon | It looks ideal. |
| 13:39.14 | tarragon | I would have just turned up at the Roy if you had not said anything. Waited a few hours drinking then phoned you. |
| 13:40.15 | tarragon | The plan at the moment is to go on a bike ride around Brussels with Colin during the day to work up a little thirst. |
| 13:42.45 | wethrin | Ah, not a pub tour? :) |
| 13:43.43 | wethrin | I suspect we'll turn up, go to the youth hostel, do some chocolate shopping, and then go to the pub |
| 13:44.14 | tarragon | Ahh. It will be me and Colin, so the option of beer stops is probable |
| 13:44.42 | wethrin | Mmmm. Os Colin flying too, or is he being mad and coaching? |
| 13:45.56 | tarragon | Coaching again |
| 13:46.30 | tarragon | I would join him, except I need to get back for work and the extra three hours from London is a killer |
| 13:47.04 | wethrin | *nod* |
| 13:52.19 | secretlondon | If I get the job I've applied for I may even be able to go one year |
| 13:52.27 | antiphase | Argh my brane |
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| 13:53.28 | wethrin | secretlondon: Hurrah! |
| 13:54.01 | tarragon | secretlondon, hopefully you will and can. It is a fun weekend with emphasis on friendship |
| 13:54.08 | secretlondon | cool |
| 13:54.35 | wethrin | You missed Sunday! |
| 13:54.48 | secretlondon | wethrin: I was away from 29-31 |
| 13:54.59 | secretlondon | pre booked thing |
| 13:55.10 | wethrin | Ahhh |
| 13:55.14 | wethrin | Good excuse |
| 13:55.24 | wethrin | Come to London.pm on Thursday, then |
| 13:55.29 | tarragon | A retreat? |
| 13:55.29 | secretlondon | wthrin: ok |
| 13:55.31 | secretlondon | yeah |
| 13:55.42 | secretlondon | 3 day retreat nr waterloo |
| 13:55.53 | secretlondon | stayed at home cos it was cheaper |
| 13:56.10 | tarragon | So relaxed and ready for the new year |
| 13:56.11 | secretlondon | but kept up the "silence" so no computer |
| 13:56.16 | antiphase | How can you retreat to Waterloo? It's in the middle of a massive city! |
| 13:56.44 | secretlondon | well you basically get locked into the centre |
| 13:57.04 | secretlondon | although we could hear big ben at midnight (and the rest of the year) and the bloody trains |
| 13:57.40 | tarragon | This sounds like a punishment rather than a spiritual retreat |
| 13:57.48 | secretlondon | nah twas nice |
| 14:00.34 | tarragon | OK gotta go and see a dog about a man. Bye all |
| 14:00.39 | secretlondon | bye |
| 14:03.56 | wethrin | Hm. Amstrad PC1512DD still works |
| 14:05.51 | wethrin | Anyone wants? |
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| 14:21.31 | Ch0Hag | How can you disable a specific sata channel? |
| 14:21.49 | antiphase | Pull the wire out |
| 14:22.05 | Ch0Hag | My motherboard manufacturer have helpfully activated 4 channels but only given me 3 sockets. |
| 14:22.17 | secretlondon | bios? |
| 14:22.44 | Ch0Hag | Perhaps. I'll have a hunt around. |
| 14:23.06 | Ch0Hag | I was hoping for a sata2=fucked option to Linux or something. |
| 14:42.32 | Ch0Hag | This is strange. sd[abc]2 are 81353160 which RAID5 to 249913MB. |
| 14:42.46 | Ch0Hag | sd[abc]3 are also 81353160 blocks but RAID5 to 166610MB. |
| 14:43.13 | Ch0Hag | At least according to partman in d-i. |
| 14:43.30 | Ch0Hag | According to /proc/mdstat they're all th esame. |
| 14:44.44 | antiphase | Try explaining that again in something resembling English :) |
| 14:44.52 | antiphase | Ah, /me rereads it |
| 14:45.10 | antiphase | What's the problem? |
| 14:46.13 | Ch0Hag | The underlying block devices are the same size but the LVM PVs created atop them are not. |
| 14:46.21 | Ch0Hag | Something has miscalculated something somewhere. |
| 14:47.10 | antiphase | I'd guess it's a pebkac. Things like that don't usually happen :) |
| 14:47.23 | Ch0Hag | I know. But if so I'm trying to work out what. |
| 14:49.34 | Ch0Hag | Also when I pvcreate manually the PVs all end up the same size. |
| 14:49.56 | antiphase | What has LVM got to do with RAID? |
| 14:50.04 | Ch0Hag | Nothing. |
| 14:50.10 | antiphase | So what size are the mds? |
| 14:50.15 | Ch0Hag | I thought it was RAID playing up but it's the LVM I'm putting on top of it. |
| 14:50.29 | Ch0Hag | The RAID devices are all the same - 162706176 blocks. |
| 14:50.57 | antiphase | That's not what you said up a bit though |
| 14:51.07 | Ch0Hag | Perhaps partman can somehow pass an incorrect --setphysicalvolumesize |
| 14:51.21 | Ch0Hag | I know. I was speaking before reading thoroughly. |
| 14:51.24 | antiphase | Just use fdisk, it works |
| 14:51.57 | Ch0Hag | The debian-installer partition tool. |
| 14:52.26 | antiphase | The CentOS one works nicely, and isnt 10 years old |
| 14:52.52 | Ch0Hag | Maybe so, but unfortunately CentOS isn't Debian. |
| 14:56.40 | antiphase | Build your syste on RAID-1, which is the one true way anyway, then sort it out later when it's running |
| 14:59.29 | Ch0Hag | raid-5 |
| 14:59.52 | Ch0Hag | I just did it all in the console anyway. |
| 15:02.38 | antiphase | RAID-5 is terrible. I hope you have fun :) |
| 15:03.12 | Ch0Hag | What's wrong with it? |
| 15:04.13 | Ch0Hag | I've never had or seen any trouble. |
| 15:06.13 | antiphase | It's a bit slow for writing and you have to do periodic parity scans to make sure you don't get silent data corruption |
| 15:06.19 | antiphase | Disks are cheap now |
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| 17:14.55 | Ch0Hag | Somehow I saw the word 'bread' in that. |
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| 17:24.56 | rhowe | (plus £25 P&P) |
| 17:24.58 | rhowe | http://www.unipackuk.com/99pence.htm |
| 17:26.33 | secretlondon | ooh |
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| 17:35.25 | rhowe | me too |
| 17:35.34 | rhowe | But I'm hoping that it's either better, or that I can use some of the parts |
| 17:35.43 | secretlondon | I got mine from the bike workshop at 56a inforshop in walworth |
| 17:35.51 | rhowe | Shame the wheel sizes seem to be different - I've got 700s on mine, and these are 26" |
| 17:36.01 | rhowe | I just bought new tires and inner tubes |
| 17:36.11 | secretlondon | mine is *just* too big wjhich sucks |
| 17:36.48 | rhowe | Mine's OK if I have the seat post all the way down |
| 17:37.03 | wethrin | Yo, yo. |
| 17:37.05 | secretlondon | I can't justify £25 atm but when I get a job.. |
| 17:38.14 | wethrin | Hm, bike. I should take mine out for a wee ride around the area here |
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| 18:21.50 | Paul_UK | virgin media sucks majorly |
| 18:22.10 | etorix | throttled huh |
| 18:22.55 | Paul_UK | yeah |
| 18:23.11 | etorix | 4-9pm, it seems to be |
| 18:24.19 | etorix | and they throttle for too much uploading now |
| 18:24.28 | etorix | it used to be just dl |
| 18:25.12 | secretlondon | vodafone wouldn't give me anything than a really shite gprs service this morn |
| 18:25.25 | secretlondon | now just 3g but no hsdpa |
| 18:25.55 | etorix | http://abcde.co.uk/virginmedia/stm.html |
| 18:26.24 | secretlondon | blurgh |
| 18:26.41 | wethrin | quite |
| 18:28.33 | secretlondon | of course v'phone may be doing all of this as they don't tell you anything technical |
| 18:33.19 | hali | virgin is both throttled and heavily over subscribed |
| 18:33.24 | hali | so bottom line, its shit |
| 18:33.48 | etorix | i get good speeds outside them hours |
| 18:34.08 | hali | so do i, i get 820käish in the mornings |
| 18:34.18 | hali | k'ish |
| 18:34.35 | hali | right now, im getting 10k or so |
| 18:34.43 | hali | facebook takes 30 seconds to load |
| 18:36.21 | etorix | i get good speeds inside, if i avoid the throttle |
| 18:36.48 | hali | are there any fixed cost 3g isps? |
| 18:53.13 | secretlondon | they are all fixed cost, but with usage limits |
| 18:55.54 | hali | any with decent amounts? |
| 18:56.02 | hali | vodafone had 120megs on the normal plan |
| 18:56.05 | secretlondon | I get 3 gig |
| 18:56.06 | hali | thats a bit shitty |
| 18:56.16 | cpufreak | I just the one work give me |
| 18:56.20 | secretlondon | all the usb modems come with a decent amount |
| 18:56.27 | secretlondon | ie >1 gig |
| 18:56.40 | secretlondon | although I'd obviously prefer more than 3 g |
| 18:56.52 | cpufreak | which is capped at 1000eur/month maximum flat rate, no matter where its used, and how much its used |
| 18:57.02 | cpufreak | if its used less, its obviously less than that. |
| 18:57.12 | cpufreak | think its with KPN |
| 18:58.34 | hali | 3gb allowance on 3 |
| 19:01.36 | secretlondon | t mobile had 3 tiers last time i looked |
| 19:01.46 | secretlondon | although it was advertising them all as "unlimited" |
| 19:05.54 | wethrin | Would anyone like an 8-bit ISA sound card? |
| 19:06.21 | hali | hm, damn, 3 has a pay as you go plan for 15 quid a month .. 3gb allowance |
| 19:06.48 | wethrin | Yes, but it *is* 3 |
| 19:06.54 | wethrin | So you won't get any signal |
| 19:07.06 | hali | 3 works fine where i live |
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| 19:12.36 | secretlondon | 3 wouldn't take my money |
| 19:13.09 | secretlondon | as I didn't have a passport or a credit card |
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| 20:32.18 | hali | tomb raider? |
| 20:33.14 | Discordian | nah Fantastic 4 |
| 20:36.14 | hali | yes, alba in tights is quite nice |
| 20:37.12 | Discordian | It's just so not like I projected from the comic books I read as a kid |
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| 22:57.02 | z00dax | rar |
| 22:57.09 | z00dax | a new year |
| 22:58.01 | hali | and back to work tomorrow /yay/ |
| 22:59.09 | z00dax | humm |
| 22:59.17 | z00dax | well, yeah |
| 22:59.26 | z00dax | there is that as well |
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| 23:46.14 | wethrin | hi trousers |
| 23:46.47 | wethrin | Folks - would anyone like any 9-pin serial ports on an ISA card? |
| 23:46.53 | wethrin | Shout now before they go in the bin |
| 23:47.14 | rhowe | Already got some |
| 23:47.27 | Discordian | I don't have any ISA kit anymore |
| 23:47.47 | wethrin | They're completely boxed as new.... |
| 23:48.12 | Discordian | Well there's a P350 dual |
| 23:48.23 | secretlondon | hi trousers |
| 23:48.30 | Discordian | But I can't see it surviving long |
| 23:48.44 | secretlondon | I have no isa hardware |
| 23:49.11 | secretlondon | ebay if they are new? |
| 23:49.22 | wethrin | Not worth it |
| 23:49.28 | wethrin | You're welcome to them if you want to try ebaying them |
| 23:49.48 | z00dax | wethrin: how many ports |
| 23:50.05 | wethrin | z00dax: One |
| 23:50.11 | z00dax | pass |
| 23:50.22 | wethrin | I have a disk controller card that has serial+parallel on it, though |
| 23:50.38 | z00dax | i suppose most people will usbserial these days for the one or two ports |
| 23:50.54 | wethrin | Yes, and given lack of ISA cards, and all that..... |
| 23:51.10 | secretlondon | yeah i'll pass too. |
| 23:51.13 | Discordian | Not sure I'd want serial again |
| 23:51.15 | wethrin | Okay :) |
| 23:51.19 | z00dax | most kernels these days are built without isa support |
| 23:51.32 | Discordian | I like IPMI for Serial over LAN |
| 23:51.46 | z00dax | Discordian: is nice |
| 23:51.54 | Discordian | Indeed |
| 23:53.31 | wethrin | I'm still an old-school serial console person |
| 23:54.07 | z00dax | so fosdem tickets booked ? |
| 23:54.16 | Discordian | Terminal concentrators have their place, I like cylades |
| 23:54.24 | Discordian | cyclades |
| 23:54.25 | wethrin | Tickets, yes. Accommodation, no. |
| 23:54.35 | wethrin | I liked them too when I used them. Can't find them on eBay, though |
| 23:54.50 | wethrin | I have some other serial terminal server, which I need to work out how to set up and configure |