| 00:00.05 | gregj | samochodzik B powinien w takim wypadku, jesli samochod A jedzie (bo nie widzi samochodziku B): |
| 00:00.19 | Discordian | since this is a UK channel |
| 00:00.28 | gregj | a) nie wyprzedzic na skzyzowaniu |
| 00:00.30 | gregj | tfu |
| 00:00.33 | gregj | wrong channel |
| 00:00.34 | gregj | :P |
| 00:00.52 | Discordian | Speaking in English or one of the UK languages would be appreciated |
| 00:00.56 | Discordian | Sure |
| 00:01.00 | Discordian | Request granted |
| 00:01.08 | Discordian | You're on ignore |
| 00:01.29 | Discordian | That's rude |
| 00:03.15 | gregj | well, kiss me shiney metal arse |
| 00:03.51 | gregj | just an accident, I am here far longer than you (3 years now) - and this is the first time something like that is happening to me, so fuck off - ignore whatever you want, you ignorant. |
| 00:06.36 | Discordian | You have a potty mouth too it seems |
| 00:08.09 | Discordian | i didn't swear at you |
| 00:12.37 | gregj | I don't think what I did was rude, and constitutes an ignore - hence my verbal abuse of your - suppose to be ignoring me - person |
| 00:12.46 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.42 | Discordian | I know how to /ignore |
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| 08:52.22 | bilarh | morning |
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| 09:32.57 | Provito | morning bilarh |
| 09:44.04 | hali | morning |
| 09:46.31 | bilarh | hali: up already :S |
| 09:47.26 | hali | i usually get in to the office at 9-sharp now :) |
| 09:47.37 | bilarh | i thought you weren't back until next week? |
| 09:48.20 | hali | back this week |
| 09:48.32 | bilarh | oh ok |
| 09:48.43 | bilarh | my tv thingy is sort of working now :) |
| 09:48.55 | bilarh | but i really fancy a new graphics card and a new cpu fan |
| 09:49.02 | bilarh | and maybe a faster processor :) |
| 09:49.14 | bilarh | feature creep already, and it's only been built for like three days |
| 09:51.53 | bilarh | sometimes the tv picture 'jerks', but i'm not sure what's causing it |
| 09:52.46 | bilarh | i would have thought the gfx card could do full screen playback at 800x600, and so should the processor because it's running at about 15% usage... gonna try some new codecs |
| 09:52.54 | bilarh | it might just be a crappy signal as well |
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| 09:58.36 | hali | hm, this is quite fun |
| 09:58.53 | hali | im are getting Cisco 4510 switches to use for floor ports :) |
| 09:59.02 | hali | huge chassi switch |
| 09:59.02 | hali | but |
| 09:59.12 | hali | the per-port cost is *lower* than using workgroup switches |
| 09:59.59 | z00dax | you could always just not get cisco at all |
| 10:00.18 | hali | not my decision |
| 10:00.37 | hali | we use cisco for all switches,routers,firewalls |
| 10:00.49 | hali | i had to fight to get foundry load balancers |
| 10:00.56 | bilarh | what's wrong with cisco? it seems to just "keep working" most of the time, although they do seem very expensive as well |
| 10:01.14 | bilarh | nobody ever got fired for buying cisco ;) |
| 10:01.31 | hali | thats the thing |
| 10:01.33 | z00dax | also most of their tech is now getting quite old |
| 10:01.36 | hali | it's like the apple of networking :) |
| 10:01.40 | hali | "it just works" |
| 10:01.48 | hali | and their support is actually really really good |
| 10:01.59 | z00dax | there is near zero movement on development at cisco compared to the other guys |
| 10:02.01 | hali | it's not the fastest kit, it's not the most feature rich kit |
| 10:02.15 | hali | thats not really a bad thing |
| 10:02.25 | hali | the 4500 chassis has been around for as long as i can remember |
| 10:02.38 | hali | with new generation supervisor modules of course, bigger switching capacity |
| 10:03.11 | hali | and it's not that expensive |
| 10:03.24 | hali | 48-port gig line cards are less then 2k |
| 10:04.28 | kjalil | hmm, morning guys, can anyone help me with a mod_perl config question? |
| 10:05.22 | hali | but sure, i wouldn't mind force10 or extreme networks kit to play with |
| 10:05.45 | z00dax | me neither |
| 10:05.56 | bilarh | we've got extreme networks kit |
| 10:06.18 | kjalil | i'm on a centos 4.6 box (actually strongbolt) with the mod_perl 1.99 rpm installed already but I don't think the module is loading. how do I verify it is? |
| 10:06.24 | bilarh | about 7 or so 24 port switches |
| 10:06.27 | z00dax | although i done seem to have much time to play with these days |
| 10:06.39 | bilarh | and we're using it as a flat network with no fancy switching or anything *sigh* |
| 10:06.59 | z00dax | kjalil, check https capability line' that will tell you |
| 10:07.29 | z00dax | errr httpd |
| 10:07.35 | kjalil | z00dax: sorry, i don't understand that. i'm not much good at doing apache/perl stuff |
| 10:07.59 | kjalil | z00dax: /var/logs/error_log doesn't indicate mod_perl loading |
| 10:07.59 | z00dax | just run something the needs it ? |
| 10:08.37 | kjalil | z00dax: yeah i'm trying to get otrs to use it but even there instructions are not clear about how to configure it to use mod_perl. i think I need to test a simple program first to verify it is running |
| 10:09.05 | kjalil | z00dax: where do i check the httpd capability line? |
| 10:09.59 | hali | bilarh: looks like you guys use force10 kit as well, veritas is on the case study page on force10.com :) |
| 10:10.30 | bilarh | hali: possibly, but not in this office ;-) |
| 10:11.34 | hali | https://home.eease.com/recruit/?id=27757 |
| 10:11.40 | hali | check the form at the bottom of the page :) |
| 10:11.44 | hali | is that even legal? |
| 10:12.16 | hali | sure about the BS text, but im sure it does |
| 10:12.31 | bilarh | it is "voluntary" :P |
| 10:12.57 | hali | if you check the box they change the destination email address to dev@null.com |
| 10:13.03 | bilarh | probably |
| 10:16.07 | bilarh | kjalil: this might help you, although there may be better ways also: http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache2/Module.html |
| 10:16.20 | bilarh | kjalil: specifically, the last three lines of the perl code :) |
| 10:18.28 | kjalil | you mean the "if (Apache2::Module::loaded('Apache2::Status')) {" line? |
| 10:18.34 | bilarh | yeah |
| 10:19.01 | bilarh | hmm |
| 10:19.05 | bilarh | maybe i'm mistaken |
| 10:19.16 | bilarh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.17 | bilarh | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.27 | kjalil | bilarh: hmm, sorry to sound a bit stupid, but i've never dealt with mod_perl. i assume this is just a perl script i drop into cgi-bin, etc? |
| 10:20.00 | bilarh | hmm, no |
| 10:20.25 | bilarh | you need to write a proper cgi program first, that uses the apache2 module and then do the "loaded" call |
| 10:20.31 | bilarh | and then output whatever result |
| 10:20.54 | bilarh | when i say proper cgi program, i mean you need the "Content-type: xxx" header etc or else apache will 500 internal error the page |
| 10:21.02 | kjalil | bilarh: the thing is, i know from a really long time ago with cgi scripting that even w/o mod_perl perl scripts will run. so how do I distinguish between "ran with mod_perl" and "didn't run with mod_perl" |
| 10:21.33 | bilarh | i thought everything ran in mod_perl if it was loaded? |
| 10:21.37 | bilarh | so you could just check if it's loaded |
| 10:21.50 | bilarh | and anyway, if you have LoadModule mod_perl, it should work unless there's error output |
| 10:21.59 | bilarh | try starting apache with debug output, perhaps |
| 10:22.10 | bilarh | httpd -X |
| 10:22.19 | bilarh | see what it says on startup |
| 10:22.26 | kjalil | bilarh: yes, everything might run in mod_perl if it was loaded, i guess. let me try that debug thing |
| 10:23.30 | kjalil | bilarh: is that supposed to output anything at all? |
| 10:29.51 | kjalil | ah, finally. |
| 10:30.35 | kjalil | Just enable the "server_info" module, configure the "Location /server-info" section, go to http://youserver/server-info/ and it gives you a *complete* list of all loaded modules |
| 10:30.44 | kjalil | at least I now know it IS loaded |
| 10:30.46 | bilarh | ah cool :D |
| 10:30.54 | bilarh | apache logging is weird |
| 10:31.11 | bilarh | i would have thought 'debug' would enable lots of logging, but in fact i got the same as before :) |
| 10:31.15 | kjalil | bilarh: yeah now that I know it is loaded now I can figure out WHY otrs is not using it |
| 10:31.25 | kjalil | bilarh: -X outputs nothing |
| 10:31.44 | kjalil | bilarh: ah, did you mean the log file? |
| 10:31.45 | bilarh | yeah i realised that as well |
| 10:32.13 | bilarh | -X outputs nothing to console, and nothing extra to log files, even when the log level is set to debug for error log |
| 10:32.16 | bilarh | oh well |
| 10:32.17 | kjalil | bilarh: no, nothing there either |
| 10:32.30 | kjalil | bilarh: yeah, thanks so far |
| 10:33.02 | bilarh | no problems |
| 10:34.03 | kjalil | bilarh: ok, so from before, I now should write a normal cgi program first that has the content-type stuff |
| 10:34.19 | kjalil | bilarh: but then calls what? |
| 10:34.25 | bilarh | the loaded call? |
| 10:34.49 | bilarh | loaded |
| 10:34.49 | bilarh | Determine if a certain module is loaded |
| 10:34.49 | bilarh | $loaded = Apache2::Module::loaded($module); |
| 10:35.09 | bilarh | but then, that doesn't actually tell you if it's used or not :) |
| 10:35.45 | bilarh | ooh |
| 10:35.52 | bilarh | this might be what you want: http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/perl-modperl/200304.mbox/%3C20030402083744.GA16729@goldfisch.at%3E |
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| 10:36.38 | kjalil | ok i've got the cgi program with content-type up and running |
| 10:36.53 | bilarh | and what's it say about mod_cgi? |
| 10:38.41 | kjalil | bilarh: eh? sorry i only put in one line to just start the testing :) |
| 10:39.00 | kjalil | what does who say about mod_cgi? |
| 10:39.28 | bilarh | have a look here: http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache2/Module.html |
| 10:39.46 | bilarh | one of the calls in that module is 'loaded' which returns true if a module is loaded or false if it isn't |
| 10:42.00 | hali | z00dax: lots of spam to centos-devel lately |
| 10:44.21 | kjalil | bilarh: hang on, testing |
| 10:46.26 | kjalil | bilarh: Undefined subroutine &Apache2::Module::add called |
| 10:46.31 | kjalil | bilarh: that was in error_log |
| 10:46.51 | bilarh | you need to "use Apache2::Module;" |
| 10:49.06 | kjalil | bilarh: sorry, now I get " Can't locate Apache2/Module.pm" following by a long list of include directories |
| 10:49.33 | bilarh | ah, you probably haven't got Apache2::Module installed :-) |
| 10:49.37 | bilarh | do an RPM search for it |
| 10:49.49 | kjalil | bilarh: ah, Apache::Module seems to work? |
| 10:50.07 | kjalil | hmm, i'm sure I'm on apache2 here |
| 10:50.22 | kjalil | Server Version: Apache/2.0.52 (CentOS) |
| 10:50.31 | bilarh | but that's a perl module |
| 10:50.38 | bilarh | nothing to do with apache, as such |
| 10:50.43 | bilarh | rpm -qa | grep mod |
| 10:50.54 | bilarh | or even grep apache, maybe |
| 10:51.18 | kjalil | bilarh: ok looking for apache2 module |
| 10:52.40 | kjalil | bilarh: only mod_perl, and mod_ssl, and module_init_tools which is something else |
| 10:52.47 | kjalil | bilarh: doing a yum search now |
| 10:52.51 | bilarh | ok |
| 10:54.59 | kjalil | can't find anything relevant to perl AND apache |
| 10:55.04 | bilarh | hmm ok |
| 10:55.16 | bilarh | did you check out that apache.org mail list post? |
| 10:56.16 | hali | the bugzilla 3 install guide has got some good info about apache and mod_perl |
| 10:56.23 | hali | as bugzilla 3 supports mod_perl |
| 11:01.39 | bilarh | ah claimed 17.3dbA rating for a CPU fan is quite quiet, isn't it? |
| 11:03.02 | kjalil | bilarh: yes i think so |
| 11:03.16 | kjalil | bilarh: which fan? |
| 11:03.27 | bilarh | akasa ak-875 |
| 11:03.56 | kjalil | bilarh: well if you want to change the heatsink + fan i would recommend scythe ninja or thermalright |
| 11:04.31 | kjalil | bilarh: http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/home |
| 11:06.07 | bilarh | wow, the ninja-2 is quite big isn't it |
| 11:06.51 | kjalil | bilarh: this is a case fan, but it's the quietest i ever had http://www.quietpc.com/gb-en-gbp/products/casefans/nf-s12-800 |
| 11:07.08 | kjalil | noctua are very good for case fans, always get 120mm at least |
| 11:07.23 | bilarh | hmm |
| 11:07.29 | bilarh | i'm gonna have to crack the case open and have a look |
| 11:07.39 | kjalil | that one runs at 800 rpm, maybe you want a slight faster one |
| 11:07.42 | bilarh | instinctively, i'd say the ninja was too high :) |
| 11:07.55 | bilarh | it's only for a htpc, so it's not like it's running full pelt all the tiem |
| 11:07.56 | kjalil | bilarh: is it a mid-tower case |
| 11:08.02 | kjalil | bilarh: ah |
| 11:08.03 | bilarh | so the cooling need isn't *huge* |
| 11:08.15 | bilarh | but noise is annoying nevertheless |
| 11:08.20 | bilarh | especially so when it's for viewing tv :) |
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| 11:09.04 | kjalil | bilarh: i used a normal tower case for my htpc. i turned off most of the fans, put it behind the tv where no one can see it, and cracked the side open a little to keep it cool. been running almost a year :) |
| 11:09.25 | kjalil | that one has a thermalright heatsink + noctua fans |
| 11:09.26 | bilarh | i've got an accent ht400 case, it would be a shame to hide it behind the tv :) |
| 11:09.55 | kjalil | hmm, if it will take the ninja, they might say so on the website |
| 11:10.09 | kjalil | doesn't have to be ninja, there are others on that website |
| 11:10.14 | bilarh | yeah i know |
| 11:10.23 | bilarh | but the ninja could run fanless apparently |
| 11:10.26 | bilarh | if i down clock |
| 11:10.49 | kjalil | http://www.silentpcreview.com/section5.html is great for reviews of this stuff |
| 11:10.59 | kjalil | yes, perhaps |
| 11:11.14 | kjalil | actually, someone did do that, but in a tower with ubuntu and mythtv |
| 11:11.44 | kjalil | http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_silent.php |
| 11:17.49 | kjalil | bilarh: this might fit : http://www.silentpcreview.com/article186-page1.html |
| 11:18.57 | BR_ | I am going to be building a PVR box soon I think (hello all btw!)... am still trying to find a nice DVB-S card though with a CAM slot |
| 11:23.23 | bilarh | ooh, DVB-S |
| 11:23.26 | bilarh | i want one of them as well |
| 11:23.30 | bilarh | and a dish, of course :) |
| 11:23.43 | bilarh | i'm all DVB-T'd up |
| 11:24.21 | BR_ | well Ideally I would like DVB-S2 + CI/CAM |
| 11:24.35 | bilarh | i don't know what any of that means, but i'm sure it's all good :) |
| 11:24.48 | BR_ | S2 == HD |
| 11:24.52 | bilarh | ah |
| 11:24.57 | BR_ | CI/CAM == To use my subscription card |
| 11:25.05 | bilarh | oh right, cool |
| 11:25.42 | BR_ | my Ideal setup is DVB-T + DVB-S2/CI So I can watch and record from different tuners. |
| 11:26.00 | bilarh | yeah that would be good |
| 11:26.07 | bilarh | i've got a dual dvb-t card at the moment |
| 11:27.43 | eyore | I know being gllug, the answer to this question is going to involve saying that fedora is crap, however... |
| 11:27.57 | eyore | does anyone know why sendmail might send from localhost.localdomain rather than using my hostname |
| 11:28.01 | bilarh | fedora is crap |
| 11:28.03 | bilarh | ;-) |
| 11:28.17 | eyore | I suspected as much |
| 11:28.55 | bilarh | local_domain in sendmail.mc -> m4 to sendmail.cf |
| 11:29.00 | bilarh | ? |
| 11:29.15 | eyore | there are quite a few people on google who seem to try and solve this rather stupid problem by using masquarding in sendmail, but that sounds rather overkill |
| 11:29.33 | bilarh | is it something to do with /etc/hosts? |
| 11:29.37 | eyore | wil try that, I'm currently trying to uninstall sendmail and install exim as a possible easier solution |
| 11:29.49 | eyore | well i find some people saying move the server line above the localhost line |
| 11:29.58 | eyore | but a) that seems stupid b) it doesn't seem to work |
| 11:31.05 | bilarh | what does your mail.info say about the message? |
| 11:31.47 | eyore | is that a file? |
| 11:32.42 | bilarh | well, depends :-) |
| 11:32.53 | bilarh | check your mail logs, i mean |
| 11:33.28 | eyore | the maillog looks correct |
| 11:33.31 | bilarh | might be in /var/log/maillog |
| 11:33.32 | eyore | but when i look in the headers i see |
| 11:34.40 | eyore | Received: (from root@localhost) |
| 11:34.43 | eyore | in the headers |
| 11:35.05 | bilarh | what does 'hostname' say? |
| 11:35.06 | eyore | which I think some recieving mailservers don't like. |
| 11:35.13 | eyore | my real hostname |
| 11:35.25 | bilarh | and what does /etc/hosts look like? |
| 11:37.01 | Provito | also update /etc/mailname |
| 11:38.05 | eyore | first line: |
| 11:38.07 | eyore | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 11:38.32 | eyore | 127.0.0.1 foo.blahblah.com foo |
| 11:38.55 | eyore | where foo.blahblah.com is my fully qualified server name |
| 11:38.55 | bilarh | i'd set the foo.blahblah.com line to your actual real IP address |
| 11:39.09 | eyore | okay good idea i'll try that |
| 11:39.18 | bilarh | i mean, localhost is localhost, right, whereas foo.blahblah.com is what your actual *real* ip is |
| 11:39.22 | bilarh | so that looks wrong to me :) |
| 11:39.25 | bilarh | no idea if it causes the problem |
| 11:39.48 | bilarh | but it's possible that sendmail might do a lookup on foo.blahblah.com, find out it's 127.0.0.1 and then do a reverse lookup later on with that value |
| 11:39.55 | antiphase | Some distros use 127.0.1.1 as the real hostname these days, as it's all valid in 127/8 |
| 11:39.59 | bilarh | alternatively, change /etc/nsswitch.conf to check dns before files :) |
| 11:40.10 | antiphase | You shouldn't ever change the localhost line, it can fuck stuff up |
| 11:40.11 | bilarh | antiphase: but isn't that a bit weird? |
| 11:40.12 | eyore | bilarh I think you are right |
| 11:40.26 | bilarh | antiphase: i'm not saying change the localhost line, change the one with the foo.blahblah.com |
| 11:40.37 | eyore | although i fear something else may break |
| 11:40.41 | eyore | i will try it now anyway |
| 11:40.49 | rhowe | "Ikea home delivery. Be with you within the hour" "Oh, OK. How big's your van" "Van? 80 ton lorry, mate" "Oh, good luck" |
| 11:40.49 | antiphase | 127.0.0.1 is localhost, you shouldn't have anything else with that address |
| 11:41.00 | eyore | i read some docs and sendmail works out the hostname by resolving 'the' ip address |
| 11:41.06 | eyore | so it sounds plausible |
| 11:41.22 | bilarh | antiphase: ah, i think we're saying the same thing in a roundabout way |
| 11:42.44 | antiphase | And don't use sendmail either, it's older than Discordian :P |
| 11:42.58 | bilarh | hehe |
| 11:42.58 | eyore | I barely use it |
| 11:43.40 | eyore | but java mail uses it by default, probably it works with whatever MTA is installed, but currently my dev machine is struggling to resolve dependancies for exim |
| 11:44.00 | eyore | path of least resistance etc, |
| 11:44.17 | antiphase | ph33r. postfix is a good option if it's a Debian-a-like |
| 11:44.36 | antiphase | Especially as it has pretty ncurses configuration fu for simple setups |
| 11:44.38 | rhowe | eyore: Pretty much every MTA includes a drop-in replacement for the 'sendmail' program |
| 11:44.51 | eyore | i thought that was probably the case |
| 11:45.02 | rhowe | eyore: So javamail should work with whatever. If you don't actually need to run an MTA on that box you could even use something like ssmtp or nullmailer |
| 11:45.27 | eyore | we need to send out mail. |
| 11:46.02 | rhowe | Sure, but do you have a real mail server you can forward to? If you do, ssmtp might be a solution |
| 11:46.28 | eyore | other than changing /etc/hosts and restarting sendmail is there anything I should flush or anything |
| 11:46.36 | eyore | because it still sends from root@localhost |
| 11:46.58 | rhowe | Are you sure it's not Javamail which is setting a From: address? |
| 11:47.06 | antiphase | mailx -a 'From: me@some.host' :) |
| 11:47.07 | eyore | i am testing using mail on the commandline |
| 11:48.22 | antiphase | Unless you're injecting a real fully-qualified mail, it will add headers for you |
| 11:48.32 | antiphase | Not really a realistic test if that's not what you'll be doing in the end |
| 11:49.26 | eyore | i can send mails through the webapp front end. |
| 11:49.27 | eyore | Received: (from root@localhost) |
| 11:49.28 | eyore | by gold.realhostname.com (8.13.8/8.13.8/Submit) id m04BiE6f008373 |
| 11:49.34 | eyore | is what i see in the headers when using mail |
| 11:50.02 | eyore | i thought recieved: headers were put in by sendmail |
| 11:50.05 | eyore | but i could be wrong |
| 11:51.53 | eyore | from the webfront end i get: |
| 11:51.54 | eyore | Received: from gold.realhostname.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) |
| 11:51.54 | eyore | by gold.realhostname.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id m04BokH5009400; |
| 11:52.44 | eyore | I'm not crazy to want to fix this am I? I mean it looks wrong to me. |
| 11:53.57 | eyore | the webfront end is the javamail system, so that is realistic |
| 11:54.11 | bilarh | hmm |
| 11:54.25 | bilarh | but it's just the mail envelope that is "wrong", isn't it? |
| 11:54.38 | eyore | that isn't so bad? |
| 11:54.38 | bilarh | it wouldn't be displayed to a user looking at it in a mail client |
| 11:54.46 | bilarh | unless they view headers |
| 11:54.48 | eyore | no I'm worried about recieving mail servers |
| 11:55.00 | bilarh | that should be fine |
| 11:55.26 | bilarh | antiphase might know for sure |
| 11:56.09 | bilarh | some mail servers block mails when the mx record of the claimed domain of the mail server does not match up with the ip of the actual server, if you see what i mean |
| 11:56.24 | eyore | that is the sort of thing I am trying to fix |
| 11:56.41 | bilarh | but that hasn't really got anything to do with the mail envelope either |
| 11:56.41 | eyore | i am getting some mail rejected by the receiving mail server |
| 11:56.47 | bilarh | oh ok |
| 11:56.50 | bilarh | in that case, ignore me :) |
| 11:57.14 | eyore | do you think they might check the envelope? |
| 11:58.02 | bilarh | but that would be wrong in most cases anyway, wouldn't it? |
| 11:58.02 | bilarh | if you have an organization with say a bunch of internal mail servers forwarding to an internet mail gateway, for example |
| 11:58.53 | eyore | I am looking for one of the error messages i got from a recieving server |
| 11:59.01 | antiphase | Your envelope is what the sending server announces to the receiving server during SMTP, and bears little resemblance to what the mail headers contain. Of course it also depends on exactly the receiving mail server behaves. It's not an exact science :) |
| 12:02.26 | antiphase | You're unlikely to be able to alter the originating received header anyway. Is it a problem if it is sent by root? Or are you complaining that the sender appears as root@host in the other headers? |
| 12:07.05 | eyore | I should have read the errors i recieved more carefully |
| 12:08.36 | antiphase | Layer 8 problem |
| 12:09.16 | bilarh | hehe |
| 12:12.09 | eyore | I think most of the errors are actually caused by people replying to an email address i didn't setup called noreply@anotherDomainWeOwn.com |
| 12:12.22 | eyore | okay, well that was a less in stupidity. |
| 12:14.58 | eyore | Or maybe, just maybe I have no idea what is going on. |
| 12:15.16 | bilarh | welcome to the club :) |
| 12:15.32 | bilarh | i just try to sound like i know what i'm doing, but i keep getting caught out more often than i'd like :) |
| 12:15.41 | eyore | maybe the recieving server is validating the from address in some way |
| 12:16.32 | eyore | checking whether MX records and/or a mailserver exists for the domain in the from address |
| 12:16.39 | eyore | which it isn't |
| 12:16.44 | eyore | because i didn't intend anyone to reply |
| 12:29.02 | antiphase | Sendind mail from addresses which are unable to receive mail is a major recipe for FAIL |
| 12:29.38 | antiphase | Just don't do it, ever. If nothing else, alias your noreply@ addresses to /dev/null |
| 12:30.12 | antiphase | Especially if you want people to read the mail you're sending, as sender verification callouts are common |
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| 12:43.02 | z00dax | hali: i thought there was just the one ? |
| 12:45.30 | hali | z00dax: two about an hour ago |
| 12:45.44 | hali | from someone called "super star" |
| 12:55.11 | z00dax | hali: ah, looks like the email /lists guys are onto that one |
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| 13:34.14 | bilarh | dick_turpin: boo! |
| 13:34.57 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You scared me |
| 13:35.25 | bilarh | phew, i was almost gonna wee myself there for a moment |
| 13:37.11 | bilarh | you mean you wore one, of course |
| 13:39.40 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; and are you recovered now? or just 'convalescent'??? |
| 13:39.50 | dick_turpin | Mate if it gets rid of this flu I'd put anything |
| 13:40.12 | bilarh | stick a carrot up your back side, i hear that helps |
| 13:40.23 | bilarh | i haven't had a man flu lately so haven't verified the claim |
| 13:41.07 | boudiccas | you need the old dodge of putting a carrot up your backside followed by a jammy doughnut. repeat for three days every day and on the fourth day omit the jam doughnut |
| 13:41.15 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I've taken me slippers back from bilarh so I suppose I'm on the road to recovery |
| 13:41.35 | bilarh | boudiccas: :-O you shocked me there! |
| 13:41.53 | boudiccas | when the worm pops his head out to ask where the doughnut is, slap him one with a hammer and kill it. normal service can then be resumed |
| 13:42.37 | boudiccas | bilarh; you veyr obviously don't know me then :) |
| 13:42.42 | boudiccas | *very |
| 13:43.15 | bilarh | well, it's just that between yourself and dick_turpin, i always though you were the sensible one, but it seems i'll have to re-evaluate now! |
| 13:43.39 | dick_turpin | shes a piss head |
| 13:43.43 | boudiccas | its a very good method of getting rid/deworming yourself of intestinal worms |
| 13:43.55 | boudiccas | i learnt it from a nursing textbook |
| 13:44.14 | bilarh | boudiccas: i'll keep that in mind, thanks |
| 13:44.17 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; language Timohty, lamguage! |
| 13:44.23 | boudiccas | *timothy |
| 13:44.41 | bilarh | dick_turpin: mmm, slurring even as she types :-\ |
| 13:45.04 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: I worked at Milton Keynes General many moons ago we had a bloke come in one night with |
| 13:45.16 | boudiccas | its having to type in southern dialect, i'm much better with my northern dialect |
| 13:45.20 | dick_turpin | a bottle of Mum roll-on stuck up his bum |
| 13:45.32 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; lol |
| 13:45.50 | boudiccas | he was okay until he tried to sit down |
| 13:46.03 | dick_turpin | Reckoned he was giving his ring piece a quick spruce up and it slipped in |
| 13:46.09 | boudiccas | lol |
| 13:46.14 | boudiccas | rofl |
| 13:46.23 | bilarh | hehe, some people |
| 13:46.45 | bilarh | i mean, any idiot knows that you should tie a string to it first |
| 13:46.55 | dick_turpin | Or the woman with the fish, gills opened couldn't get the head out |
| 13:46.56 | bilarh | did i say that out loud? |
| 13:47.09 | bilarh | dick_turpin: you're making that up, surely! |
| 13:47.25 | dick_turpin | Nope! kon my kids lives |
| 13:47.35 | dick_turpin | on my kids |
| 13:47.46 | boudiccas | having seen the things that people have done to themselves and each other i'm not at all suprised |
| 13:48.08 | bilarh | boudiccas: do tell :P |
| 13:48.21 | boudiccas | i could regale you with tales but i'm supposed to be doing my psychology homework |
| 13:48.35 | bilarh | pah, do your homework later, this is more important :) |
| 13:48.42 | bilarh | priorities, woman! |
| 13:48.46 | boudiccas | and as i've got to hand it in next wednesday i'd better get on with it |
| 13:48.53 | bilarh | :( |
| 13:49.09 | dick_turpin | Had a gorgeous blond haired girl in one night |
| 13:49.16 | dick_turpin | Totally starkers |
| 13:49.20 | boudiccas | bilarh; i can't i've got three weeks homework to catch up on, so it /must/ take priority |
| 13:49.30 | bilarh | boudiccas: fine, tell me on thursday |
| 13:49.31 | dick_turpin | six of us had to hold her down |
| 13:50.00 | dick_turpin | all the doctor kept asking was "Why have you got butter on your toes?" |
| 13:50.46 | dick_turpin | I just kept praying she wouldn't answer |
| 13:50.59 | bilarh | i don't get it, why did you have to hold her down? |
| 13:51.12 | dick_turpin | She was throwing an eppy fit |
| 13:51.17 | bilarh | oh right :) |
| 13:52.01 | dick_turpin | Ambulance crew had to break in her flat to get her, she woke up in A&E (Figure it out yourself) |
| 13:52.36 | bilarh | but the butter? :-) |
| 13:53.27 | dick_turpin | Her and her boyfriend must have been up to something kinky, she passed out, he shit himself the rest is another story in the memory bank |
| 13:57.17 | Paul_UK | omg lol |
| 13:59.14 | Paul_UK | still he sounds pretty lame, first toe fetish and then just leaving her. i had an ex who had epilepsy.. sure its not nice to watch, but if you care about that person, you'll help them out |
| 13:59.46 | bilarh | but a fit doesn't really do anything does it? |
| 13:59.52 | bilarh | i thought it was freaky looking, but harmless |
| 13:59.59 | bilarh | but then i know next to nothing about it :) |
| 14:00.06 | Paul_UK | no, fits can be dangerous |
| 14:00.10 | bilarh | oh right |
| 14:00.32 | dick_turpin | It may have been that she was sticking her toes up his bum for all I know, I doubt he wanted to hang around and explain |
| 14:00.41 | Paul_UK | but meds can help, but not aways and then there can be side affects |
| 14:01.24 | Paul_UK | well docs have seen and heard everything.. at end of day, how long does it take to call ambulance and then clean up toes? shhesssj |
| 14:03.52 | dick_turpin | cough, cough, splutter splutter |
| 14:04.05 | boudiccas | epilepticus status can be very dangerous and requires medical intervention every time as its just one loooooooooong and continuous fit |
| 14:05.01 | boudiccas | the brain goe sinto overload and starts throwing a fit and gets into a repeating cycle which needs medical drugs to stop it |
| 14:05.15 | dick_turpin | I don't think she was epileptic, I think she just passed out, when she came round I think it was fear and disorientation |
| 14:06.56 | bilarh | you learn something new every day |
| 14:07.09 | bilarh | remember to clean your girlfriends toes :) |
| 14:08.25 | bilarh | cooking oil has higher viscosity, though, so should provide less friction |
| 14:08.32 | bilarh | then again, less friction might be a bad thing |
| 14:08.49 | bilarh | fabric softener for the win :D |
| 14:19.26 | boudiccas | use baby oil! :) |
| 14:19.50 | boudiccas | it smells nice and is easily absorbed and is frictionless |
| 14:20.18 | boudiccas | back to my homework |
| 14:20.29 | bilarh | liar, you've been sitting there surfing all along |
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| 14:31.23 | dick_turpin | Did you know they put sand in the toothpaste in UK prisons so the likes of bilarh cant use it for the wrong purpose |
| 14:31.51 | eyore | is that true or an urban myth? |
| 14:32.41 | Blapto | Who wants to go to prison to find out? |
| 14:33.12 | Blapto | I vote dick_turpin, seeing as you have a criminal's name |
| 14:35.03 | boudiccas | bilarh; i am doing my homework, after every question i stop and take a break whilst i'm thinking about the best way of answering the next question |
| 14:35.35 | dick_turpin | The state our prisons are in they can probably smuggle a woman in they seem to be able to get everything else they want |
| 14:36.26 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; can they get snuff in prison? |
| 14:36.54 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: As much as you want |
| 14:37.21 | boudiccas | i know [from watching porridge] that they can get hand rolling tobacco [snout] but have never heard of snuff in relation to prison |
| 14:37.59 | etorix | i never saw snuff in pentonville |
| 14:42.57 | etorix | they take cigarette-lighters away, but give u back the flintholder bit |
| 14:43.25 | etorix | and theres an active trade in mop-strands |
| 14:44.06 | etorix | so u put the mop-strand in a biro, tape the flint-holder to the top |
| 14:44.15 | etorix | get a glow-lighter |
| 14:46.10 | dick_turpin | Actually that raises an interesting point, if smoking is banned in public and government buildings then why isn't it banned in prison? |
| 14:46.39 | eyore | probably to avoid riots |
| 14:47.40 | etorix | hmm |
| 14:47.50 | etorix | i aint bin there lately |
| 14:48.10 | etorix | but yes, id imagine theyd get upset |
| 14:49.48 | dick_turpin | Yeah, obviously, just thinking out load really |
| 14:50.18 | etorix | kinda hard to enforce |
| 14:50.29 | etorix | they also take drugs a lot |
| 14:51.22 | dick_turpin | No? Really? |
| 14:51.40 | etorix | i stole the ashtray when i left |
| 14:51.44 | etorix | ha ha |
| 14:51.50 | dick_turpin | lol |
| 15:00.40 | bilarh | etorix: you used to work there? |
| 15:00.50 | etorix | nah |
| 15:00.55 | bilarh | ah :P |
| 15:01.03 | etorix | i did 30 days for the poll tax |
| 15:01.06 | bilarh | penny drops |
| 15:01.20 | bilarh | for not paying it? |
| 15:01.26 | etorix | yup |
| 15:01.39 | bilarh | damn, mad respect goes out to you from over here in that case :D |
| 15:01.58 | bilarh | for not paying poll tax, i mean |
| 15:02.00 | etorix | i di8dnt have to pay it after i got out either |
| 15:02.02 | bilarh | i should do the same for council tax |
| 15:02.18 | etorix | yeah, this was poll tax |
| 15:02.19 | bilarh | i fucking hate council tax, it's the stupidest tax in the whole of england |
| 15:02.27 | bilarh | i want to bring back poll tax :D |
| 15:14.21 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Got a sec for a stupid question? |
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| 15:24.49 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; times up, no question can be arsed now |
| 15:25.08 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; ask it anyway, perhaps someone else knows the answer |
| 15:27.32 | antiphase | Fucking Linux |
| 15:31.40 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: This is really stupid but I ain't got a clue what version of maemo is on my n810 |
| 15:32.23 | boudiccas | what happens if you type 'wer' and press enter? |
| 15:32.47 | boudiccas | what does the paperwork/manual say/ |
| 15:32.58 | boudiccas | ? i meant |
| 15:33.04 | boudiccas | say? |
| 15:33.37 | dick_turpin | You having a laugh? |
| 15:33.42 | boudiccas | lets try again |
| 15:33.54 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; what does the paperwork/manual say? |
| 15:34.21 | boudiccas | no, i'm deadly serious. surely the manual/paperwork says |
| 15:34.43 | dick_turpin | No it just says OS2008 |
| 15:34.47 | boudiccas | was it bought in a shop or from amazon or such like? |
| 15:35.01 | dick_turpin | No through work/supplier |
| 15:35.14 | boudiccas | if in a shop then ask the shop people. they should know the technical specifications of their product |
| 15:35.32 | boudiccas | ask the supplier. they should know or know how to find out |
| 15:36.19 | dick_turpin | All I want to know is if it is safe to enable the Chinook repo |
| 15:36.49 | boudiccas | again, i'd ask the supplier. they or their reps should know |
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| 15:37.27 | boudiccas | try pm'g z00dax he might know |
| 15:37.30 | dick_turpin | They won't know, mos of them have heard of Linux and thats about it |
| 15:37.42 | dick_turpin | most |
| 15:38.07 | boudiccas | well, thats a start, but it doesn't help you much! |
| 15:38.25 | boudiccas | the only other thing that i can think of is googling |
| 15:38.33 | hali | pils |
| 15:38.39 | Blapto | What's the issue? |
| 15:38.44 | dick_turpin | I might take a deep breath and ask on #meamo |
| 15:38.51 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; are you using kopete/pidgin atm? |
| 15:38.53 | Blapto | I've got a n770 |
| 15:38.59 | z00dax | i punged was ? |
| 15:39.08 | dick_turpin | F8 irssi |
| 15:39.17 | boudiccas | quick dick_turpin as z00dax whilst he's here |
| 15:39.22 | z00dax | what what ? |
| 15:39.26 | boudiccas | *ask |
| 15:39.44 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Wtf is the version of maemo on this bleedin n810? is it chinook? |
| 15:39.49 | z00dax | yes |
| 15:40.16 | dick_turpin | z00dax: So its safe to enable all the repos that say chinook then? |
| 15:40.23 | z00dax | maemo 4.0 == Chinook == os2008 platform |
| 15:40.36 | z00dax | all the repo's ? i dont know. i just the extras free and non-free |
| 15:40.43 | z00dax | and the claws-mail one |
| 15:40.54 | z00dax | most of the other deb's i've installed by themselves. |
| 15:41.19 | z00dax | a couple of repos are known to cause issues with python apps, and i would definitely stay away from the HE ( hacker Edition ) ones |
| 15:41.53 | z00dax | most of the guys using / developing for the HE are not really using a device, they are mostly in vmware vm's on real computers, so breaking that shit wont hurt them one bit |
| 15:42.33 | dick_turpin | z00dax: z00dax I noticed that, been hovering on the #maemo channel the last two days |
| 15:42.52 | z00dax | yeah, i have my other nick in there :D |
| 15:44.01 | dick_turpin | z00dax: What about Nokia non-certified? |
| 15:44.13 | z00dax | that is extras |
| 15:44.39 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Is it safe? |
| 15:46.04 | z00dax | yes |
| 15:46.08 | z00dax | it has been for me |
| 15:47.55 | dick_turpin | z00dax: I went on some site that installed/listed 30 odd repos, I'm not sure what I'm doing :-( |
| 15:48.14 | z00dax | i've seen that page |
| 15:48.20 | z00dax | dont enable loads of stuff |
| 15:48.24 | z00dax | just enable / install them when you need them |
| 15:48.46 | z00dax | that device has limited ram |
| 15:49.04 | z00dax | btw, i got a 8 gig microsd card off ebay the other day for the n810 - £18 |
| 15:50.30 | dick_turpin | z00dax: Kin ell I paid £20.00 for 2GB |
| 15:54.25 | z00dax | ouch |
| 15:54.29 | z00dax | ok, back to work. bbl |
| 15:55.10 | dick_turpin | Rats was gonna ask if you knew why the update for the map refuses to install |
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| 16:31.35 | secretlondon | ello |
| 16:31.42 | Blapto | Hiya |
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| 17:27.05 | wethrin | 'ello |
| 17:28.33 | Blapto | lo |
| 17:32.30 | wethrin | So, 6pm on Saturday, then. |
| 17:32.35 | Blapto | aye |
| 17:32.44 | Blapto | I messaged social about it |
| 17:32.47 | Blapto | and two of my mates are coming |
| 17:33.01 | secretlondon | no munny until tues alas |
| 17:33.01 | wethrin | hurrah |
| 17:33.09 | wethrin | pity :( |
| 17:36.22 | Blapto | Do you think I should book a table? |
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| 17:42.02 | Blapto | angelchild! You've become catalyst? |
| 17:42.17 | catalyst | went back to using catalyst actually D: |
| 17:42.21 | wethrin | Blapto: Nah |
| 17:42.23 | Blapto | Ah, right |
| 17:42.27 | wethrin | catalyst: Are you around the south-east? |
| 17:42.30 | Blapto | wethrin: any reason not? |
| 17:42.34 | catalyst | I'm in Southampton |
| 17:42.37 | wethrin | Bah |
| 17:42.45 | Blapto | You're in London tomorrow though, aren't you? |
| 17:42.47 | wethrin | It hopefully won't be necessary. |
| 17:42.58 | catalyst | I'm not |
| 17:42.59 | wethrin | If you want to, may as well book for a few |
| 17:43.06 | Blapto | Do you know how many you're bringing? |
| 17:43.27 | wethrin | Don't know. Someone might turn up for a bit, but disappear early-ish |
| 17:43.33 | Blapto | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.59 | wethrin | Right. Time to go again! |
| 17:45.08 | Blapto | They do some bottled beer, apparently |
| 17:45.14 | Blapto | I didn't actually check. |
| 17:45.19 | wethrin | Yes, but only a couple of bottles |
| 17:45.20 | Blapto | righto, see you tomorrow |
| 17:45.22 | wethrin | Kronenbourg, mostly |
| 17:45.24 | wethrin | See you! |
| 17:45.31 | wethrin | (I think you still have my number, yes?) |
| 17:45.42 | Blapto | (unless it's changed) |
| 17:45.47 | wethrin | Ending 883 |
| 17:45.50 | wethrin | And yours still ends 002? |
| 17:46.01 | Blapto | yes |
| 17:46.17 | Blapto | I still have yours. |
| 17:46.22 | wethrin | Right. See you tomorrow - I'll just head there as soon as I get to Victoria |
| 18:00.23 | Blapto | I'm off home, bye all |
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| 19:53.47 | Ch0Hag | And may I take this opportunity to say that I don't like SATA connectors. |
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| 21:50.31 | hali | well, isn't that so |
| 21:50.47 | Discordian | Is it? |
| 21:52.10 | hali | virgin broadband sucks! |
| 21:52.13 | hali | so slow |
| 21:52.18 | hali | i should switch to bethere |
| 21:52.41 | hali | so my adult entertainment downloads will be quicker |
| 21:52.48 | Discordian | I will do something like that when I'm working again |
| 21:53.42 | hali | the market still seems a bit slow after xmas |
| 21:53.49 | hali | should pick up soon |
| 21:54.33 | Discordian | Actually I've have some approaches for contract stuff |
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| 21:54.37 | Discordian | Thuis week |
| 21:54.46 | Discordian | Which would work |
| 21:54.51 | hali | cool |
| 21:54.54 | Discordian | s/Thuis/This |
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| 22:49.48 | secretlondon | ello |
| 22:50.10 | Discordian | helo |
| 22:50.47 | secretlondon | vodafone modem went NO CARRIER |
| 22:50.59 | secretlondon | *waited* still NO CARRIER |
| 22:51.08 | secretlondon | rebooted still *NO CARRIER |
| 22:51.38 | secretlondon | unplugged it, and then rebooted (you need to cos of the evil of the device) and finally I get carrier |
| 22:51.43 | secretlondon | phew |
| 22:51.50 | secretlondon | modem fart |
| 22:57.27 | *** join/#gllug Puss1nB00ts (i=PussInBo@gateway/tor/x-6982a73d99bf6836) |
| 22:58.33 | Discordian | yeuww modem |
| 23:11.22 | secretlondon | hsdpa usb modem |
| 23:11.47 | Discordian | ahhh |
| 23:49.09 | *** join/#gllug savetheWorld (n=Lester@about/linux/staff/savetheWorld) |