IRC log for #gllug on 20080208

00:32.25cpufreakwoo
00:32.34cpufreakits been escalated to IBM *developers*
00:33.23cpufreakthe guys who write the bleeding filesystem
00:34.18wethrinSounds like it's a bug, then!
00:38.20cpufreak:(
00:38.28cpufreakhope its not data loss
00:38.33cpufreakI mean its only quite a small FS at the minute
00:38.37cpufreak28TB or so
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10:40.03secretlondonhi
10:59.02bilarhmorning
11:04.01halimorning
11:16.40bilarhbloody hell i'm so tired
11:16.53bilarhi'm sitting here almost falling asleep for real
11:17.02bilarhevery so often i can feel my eye lids closing up
11:17.21bilarhi bet it will look good if the big boss comes down with me sitting here on my chair snoring
11:21.02cpufreakyou don't know tired
11:21.07cpufreaktry working 130hr weeks
11:21.26bilarhyou da man
11:21.44cpufreakno
11:21.45cpufreakIBM the suck
11:22.05bilarhheh
11:22.35bilarhover two weekends in jan i had 67.5 hours overtime
11:22.38bilarhfor a similar issue
11:22.51cpufreakah well
11:22.55bilarhalthough mine was hardware related
11:22.59cpufreakI',m in a special situation
11:23.04bilarhdid they get back to you yet?
11:23.08cpufreakIBM alternatel say
11:23.13cpufreak1) not licensed to use GPFS
11:23.22cpufreak2) no support contract
11:23.27cpufreak3) not a supoorted lnux distribution
11:23.34bilarhnice :P
11:23.42bilarhis your site live yet?
11:23.43cpufreak4) not running a supported raid configuration
11:23.46bilarhor was it live, rather? :P
11:23.53cpufreakwent live 48hrs ago
11:23.57bilarhouch
11:24.07cpufreakbeen down 20hrs now
11:24.14cpufreakanyway
11:24.14bilarhnot a great start :-\
11:24.21cpufreak1) we're licensed.. have them sitting in front of me
11:24.29cpufreak2) we're supported, have contrract sitting in front of me
11:24.37cpufreak3) supported on Ubuntu, have pledge sitting in front of me
11:24.48cpufreak4) running raid configuration proposed by IBM solutions architect
11:24.56bilarhsue their ass
11:24.57cpufreakso its great
11:24.59cpufreakwell
11:25.03cpufreakI'm pondering boxing it up
11:25.09cpufreakand couriering it to them
11:25.23bilarhdon't forget to send a box with dog turds as well
11:25.31cpufreakno need
11:25.42cpufreakhalf the IBM equipment was the wrong spec (wrong riser cards etc)
11:25.46cpufreaksome more of it was DOA
11:26.05bilarhdamn, good job we went for lsi and not some premium brand like ibm for storage
11:27.21bilarhmurb: spoilsport
11:27.31cpufreakplease pm me any pertinent information
11:27.33bilarhmurb: can't you tell us some stories about "another supplier I've worked with"
11:27.40bilarhcall them dim
11:27.58bilarherm, taht wasn't quite an anagram, i just realised... need more coffee
11:29.08murbbilarh: you mean hal?
11:29.38bilarhmurb: possibly, tell us about your experiences :)
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11:33.02bilarhcpufreak: so what's not actually working on the site?
11:33.10bilarhcpufreak: or is it the actual app that's not working?
11:33.14cpufreakerm
11:33.18cpufreakthe filesystem crashed yesterday
11:33.21cpufreakand wont restart
11:33.29cpufreakfilesystem = GPFS
11:33.32bilarhcpufreak: yeah i know but how is it affecting the end user experience, i mean
11:33.38bilarhi read back earlier :)
11:33.51cpufreakno
11:33.55cpufreakthis is internal storage
11:33.58cpufreakjust 23TB or so
11:34.01cpufreakused in XCD
11:34.01bilarhoh right
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11:56.57BlaptoHi
12:05.01BlaptoI'm going to send out an e-mail, but do any London based sysadmins want to work for Ticketmaster?
12:06.02murbBlapto: do you work for them?
12:06.23murbor are you trying to pimp your existing job?
12:06.29BlaptoI do.  It's not my job you'll be having, but be in the same team as me.
12:06.45BlaptoTwo sysadmin positions going.
12:07.00BlaptoMainly linux, a little windows, a little solaris.
12:07.12BlaptoAnd a little BSD
12:07.37murbBlapto: do you have to live inside the m25?
12:08.03murband where approx. in london?
12:08.42BlaptoYou can live where you like.  I'm fairly sure my boss lives in France and commutes in every day (well, he's in Kent, but closer to France than London.)  We're in Leicester Square.
12:09.22murbtravelling west wouldn't be so bad.
12:09.34murbif they make it fast enough you could arrive before you left!
12:09.46BlaptoTrue.
12:09.58etorixFrance to London, every day
12:10.06BlaptoYeah, it's a joke.  He lives in Kent.
12:10.16murbetorix: oh i'd not live in france!
12:10.18BlaptoHe gets very angry when people ask him how France is today.
12:11.08murbBlapto: oh he should check the weather every day in preperation for that question.
12:11.39BlaptoI think he could just make it up, none of us are going to verify it.
12:12.15etorixgah, this app's manpage comes up like its in a hexeditor
12:12.50etorixbugger this for a game of soldiers
12:13.45etorixmaintainer is french, too
12:14.01BlaptoAsk him how the weather is.
12:15.03etorixhes hexed
12:15.47Blaptomurb: Have we met?
12:16.28murbBlapto: I don't know, i've been living in germany since 2005
12:16.49BlaptoAh, so unlikely
12:17.09BlaptoI think I'm confused between you and morsing
12:20.07murboh please don't do that!
12:20.15BlaptoI promise not to.
12:20.18wethrinBlapto!
12:20.19murbthanks :-)
12:20.24Blaptowethrin!
12:20.27murbwethrin: oh you're being morsing for the day?
12:20.51BlaptoWho keeps asking me if I'm someone else because we have the same name?  Ahhh, so confused.
12:21.48wethrinmurb: Where's Blapto?
12:21.57BlaptoHere!  Here!
12:22.03wethrinNo, I'll stop it now
12:26.52Blaptomurb: did you go to the GLLUG meet on the Maple Leaf (Covent Garden) about 3 years ago?
12:27.48murbBlapto: probably not, but if you've been to fosdem i you may have seen me.
12:28.08BlaptoI haven't
12:32.31wethrinWas it 3 years ago?
12:33.00BlaptoWell, I remember not being old enough to buy my own drinks, and I'm 20 now.
12:33.09wethrinHmm
12:33.11wethrinYoungster
12:34.34BlaptoNot my fault
12:35.22wethrinI blame your parents
12:35.40BlaptoI blame the amout of time I've spent in a TARDIS
12:35.57murbi mean wtf?
12:36.04wethrinmurb: But you look over 18!
12:37.14etorixhe IS morsing!
12:37.24murbetorix: hmm, no way!
12:37.31etorix>verb<
12:38.32etorixok, i see the cam i want, at the price i want , now CAN I HAVE IT IN BLACK
12:38.40etorixnoo effin way
12:38.50BlaptoOut of interest, etorix, which camera?
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12:39.10etorixPanasonic Lumix DMC-FX12
12:39.12secretlondonok. vodafone unblock irc just to annoy me
12:39.21wethrin:)
12:39.30secretlondonas this isn't using socks
12:39.48etorix100 quid, leica lens
12:40.21BlaptoLooks decent
12:40.39etorixnot the top model, not dear either
12:40.40wethrinBah. You want a Nikon D80, you do
12:41.07etorixand panasonic make leica's anyway
12:41.22etorixwell, i has nikons film cameras
12:41.31etorixand serious glass
12:41.40etorixno working bodies tho
12:42.16etorixi want a pocket cam, and a leica is acceptable
12:43.28etorixthe leica version has leica firmware, is all
12:43.34etorixsame hw
12:45.03BlaptoYou want a D300 like me :)
12:45.05secretlondonvodafone even block access to the xchat manual
12:45.10BlaptoI'm not a D300... I have one though.
12:46.16etorixno i dont, id want a FM2
12:46.28etorixor two
12:46.45etorixbut im not carrying that around
12:47.03etorix2 x bodies + 4 lenses
12:47.17etorixdone that got the curved spine
12:47.43etorixi want a pocket cam, and a leica is acceptable, with a pnone to up to
12:48.03wethrinNo, you want Nikons. None of this Canon rubbish!
12:48.31etorixcanons actually have good chips, i never bought one tho
12:48.54etorixi has some leica kit, like a ol enlarger, prewar
12:49.14etorixcame covered in pigeonshit
12:49.57etorixNikon were very nice tio me in tokyo, actually
12:50.17etorixmy f2 got bent
12:50.38etorixand they pushed me to the front of the queue
12:50.56etorixand fixed it free, with a kind of excited glee
12:51.25etorixthey love old gaijin comin in with ancient working nikons
12:51.28BlaptoOoh, an F2.  I'm really tempted to pick up a voigtlander R2M
12:52.28etorixmechanical nikons dont break much, or batts run down
12:52.42BlaptoBatts don't run down on an F2, do they?  You just lose the meter?
12:52.53etorixseparate meter
12:53.08etorixluna summink
12:53.22etorixno meter on the f2
12:53.31etorixdidnt get one
12:53.54etorixdidnt want  one
12:54.45etorixluna summink with a spotmeter thingie
12:56.48etorix#
12:56.49etorixNikon Coolpix S700
12:57.04BlaptoHave you seen the Sigma DP1?
12:57.07etorixi nearly bough, thats now my second choice
12:57.16etorixnot really interested
12:57.35etorixnikon or leica[ish], now
12:57.55etorixand i want a modern leica equiv
12:58.05etorixbut IN BLACK pls
12:58.18etorixheres a hundred quid
12:58.19BlaptoBessa R2M
12:58.25BlaptoThat's black.
12:58.43BlaptoOr a Bessa R is probably <£100 second hand, but it's a bit crap.
12:58.50etorixi has a gorgeous voigtlander  heliar 210 mm
12:59.01etorix5x4 lens
12:59.15BlaptoOh, right, was going to say that's an odd focal length for a rangefinder.
12:59.40etorixwell, it did go on my linhof rangefinder
12:59.51etorixsold that in tokyo tho
12:59.52BlaptoWell, a 135/35mm rangefinder
13:00.18etorix6x9  rangefinder
13:00.33etorixju man yen
13:00.58BlaptoGet thyself an M8...  Not quite £100 though.
13:01.10etorixnah, too big
13:01.19etorixtoo valuable
13:01.36BlaptoYes, that is an issue sometimes.  Reminds me that I need to sort out my photographic insurance today.
13:01.49etorixand i want a modern leica equiv POCKET cam
13:02.00BlaptoDigital?
13:02.09etorixnot worth being mugged for
13:02.32BlaptoShow the chav it's a film camera, they won't be interested.
13:02.40etorixsure, with talk-to-phone + computer easy capalility
13:03.32etorixi could shoot film if i wanted
13:03.53etorixi picked up some 8x10 darkslides a few weeks ago
13:04.02etorixdown the road, in a skip
13:04.23etorixi has hangers an tanks,
13:04.34etorixthats not what this is for
13:07.21etorixPanasonic Lumix DMC-FX12 Digital Camera
13:07.31etorixCurrys Price  ?99.89
13:07.50etorixargos prolly has em
13:07.51BlaptoHave you had a browse through dpreview?
13:09.06etorixthen there nokias  with tessars, several now
13:09.43etorixa few SD cards, an im off to somewhere
13:10.12BlaptoTiny tiny little lenses though.  Sony make some decent phones with cameras attached
13:10.54etorixthats not that important, display/upload facility is more key
13:11.18BlaptoOooh, interesting ligature bug.
13:11.45BlaptoFirefox in debian unstable (dist-upgrade d today) renders fi as ffl
13:11.54etorixtho id of killed for the 2.8 tessar on the linhof rangefinder i saw in tokyo
13:12.22etorixi sold mine to that guys competitor
13:13.30etorixand my heliar is worth gold in tokyo
13:14.21etorixthe previous emperor did 8x10 work with a heliar
13:15.09etorixheliar = 'of the sun' or so
13:15.39BlaptoHelios was the Greek god of the Sun
13:15.58etorixheliar = 'of the sun god' then
13:16.11BlaptoI don't remember much of my GCSE Greek, but that sounds reasonable.
13:16.45etorixamaterasu  was sun goddess in japanese hojiki
13:17.00etorixanyway
13:17.09etorixi want it in black pls
13:26.11etorixkinell, panasonic-uk are awful on the phone
13:26.22etorixpress 1
13:26.46etorixsorry, we cant take your call, but we have a website
13:27.30secretlondonffs
13:27.43secretlondonas though you haven't checked that first
13:27.50BlaptoTo get the number, no doubt.
13:28.28BlaptoQuick hint.  In order to deal with regional accents, a lot of UK "voice activated" systems have real humans listening to the snippet and directing to the correct menu option.  Swear profusely and they'll give you to an operator :)
13:30.31etorixOr through our Customer Care Centre on 0844 844 3856
13:30.41etorixgot a instant human
13:31.30etorixwho acctually gave me info
13:31.42etorixok, panasonic, all is forgiven
13:46.13etorixnearly
13:46.32etorixtheir recommendede doesnt actually have it in stock
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14:14.08bilarhdick_turpin: tell us about your customer experience yesterday?
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14:21.41dick_turpinOoh you're gonna love it, ready?
14:22.48dick_turpinCustomer: Every time I copy this quote I've done and paste it in the folder it comes up "Scrap"
14:22.51dick_turpinMe: That's weird? Delete the scrap files, open the Word document check its OK, save it and close. Now copy it and paste again.
14:22.54dick_turpinCustomer: Nope its still saying "scrap"
14:23.06dick_turpin30 mins later..
14:23.15dick_turpinEngineer: You're not gonna believe this one.
14:23.16dick_turpinMe: Go on.
14:23.16dick_turpinEngineer: I tried it and it worked fine!
14:23.16dick_turpinMe: Huh?
14:23.44dick_turpinBest bit is she's been doing it that way for a couple of months she only realised there was a problem when the MD asked her for an old quote she had done Oops! P45 time me thinks.
14:26.23dick_turpinOops forgot the punch line
14:26.34dick_turpinEngineer: I asked her to give it a try and saw her open the word document, copy all the text then try and paste the text into the folder!!!
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14:40.38Blapto_Like a piggy-back
14:41.16dick_turpinBlapto_: Thats a bit harsh calling bilarh a pig ;-)
14:41.24bilarhdick_turpin: hehe nice :P
14:41.26Blapto_You said it, not me.
14:43.01dick_turpinBlapto_: Na I said bilarh is a fat Nordic poof
14:43.34Blapto_Oh, yes, I remember that vividly.
14:44.07bilarhand i'm not fat!
14:44.41Blapto_I didn't say you were!
14:45.00dick_turpinbilarh: Ha, when you get on the scales it says "No coach parties please"
14:45.09bilarhdick_turpin: hehe
14:45.51dick_turpinbilarh: Nice lamp do you have the curtains top match?
14:45.54bilarhhow does secretlondon get "secretlo@wikipedia/secretlondon" as her id?
14:46.09antiphaseYou have to go and dig u plilo and blow him
14:46.29bilarhantiphase: ah ok, not for me then :(
14:46.38bilarhdick turpin might fancy it though
14:55.13bilarhi know you're not gay as you have a wife whom i meet regularly...
14:55.14antiphaseWhen did you stop being gay?
14:58.38secret_bilarh: It's a cloak. various projects will give you one
14:59.05bilarhsecret: projects?
14:59.15bilarhforgive my ignorance on the subject :)
14:59.15secret_yeah projects on freenode
14:59.22secret_so projects like wikipedia
14:59.34etorixhas to be official project
14:59.42secret_freenode's website has info on cloaks
14:59.53etorixu can request one
14:59.56bilarhsecret: ah ok, cool, i'll have a look over there... cheers
14:59.57secret_and it's up to each project how they do it
15:00.04etorix--- NickServ set your hostname to "unaffiliated/etorix"
15:00.39secretlondonNickServ set your hostname to "wikipedia/secretlondon"
15:00.46etorixor the project admins will offer u one
15:00.55bilarhcool, interesting stuff
15:01.05secretlondonit hides which isp you come from ;)
15:01.22etorixto casual view, yes
15:01.28etorixoftc wont do em
15:01.40secretlondonoftc?
15:01.44antiphaseWhy not just resort to falsifying DNS entries?
15:02.02etorix--- - Welcome to OFTC - The Open and Free Technology Community
15:02.17etorix--- Looking up irc.oftc.net..
15:02.18etorix--- Connecting to irc.geo.oftc.net (161.53.160.98) port 6667..
15:02.31etorixfreenode runaways
15:09.20dick_turpinbilarh: You know your mum?
15:09.41bilarhdick_turpin: shut it, baldie
15:10.16dick_turpinbilarh: :-)
15:10.35murbactually oftc is much less annoying than freenode.
15:10.47murband also does TLSed connections
15:10.53bilarhmurb: is that becaue dick_turpin is not on over there?
15:11.00murband doesn't block messages.
15:11.11bilarhif dick_turpin left freenode, it would be less annoying, i think
15:11.43secretlondonI don't have projects on oftc
15:11.44bilarhi've got some pimps on my face i can put you in contact with
15:11.45Blapto_secretlondon: what?
15:12.05secretlondonanyone freenode forks are just a hassle
15:12.11etorixim in one on oftc
15:12.17secretlondonBlapto: recruitment pimps
15:12.22BlaptoOh, right
15:12.25BlaptoCWJobs++
15:12.30etorixwe ran away from lilo
15:12.43secretlondonBlapto: but I've no workplace It experience
15:13.01BlaptoAh, right, well, none of us did at some point
15:13.01secretlondonlilo rip
15:13.02etorixi hear mi5 is hiring
15:13.08bilarhneither does dick_turpin, that didn't stop him getting a job in it :P
15:13.26secretlondonetorix: I'm a bit of a lefty
15:13.29wethrinYou ran away from lilo because you couldn't work /ignore
15:13.30etorixthats just acroos the river
15:13.31wethrinHar.
15:13.42etorixso work from inside
15:14.08etorixthere money is good
15:14.21etorixcant hurt to ask
15:14.21wethrinVetting for MImumble?
15:14.31secretlondonprobably really high if other government security is anthing to go by
15:14.50secretlondonwethrin: I probably have a file from my days in the NUS
15:14.50etorixnah, this gubmint is a joke
15:15.04wethrinThe MIs are a bit stricter when it comes to security checks than most other MoD agencies
15:15.29etorixu can expunge all that after u get the 'your category token' position
15:15.29secretlondonhowever you can apparently get a job in govt security if you are illegal (but I reckon those are like security guards)
15:15.50BlaptoDoes anybody know what classification they require?
15:16.00BlaptoI'm halfway through getting vetting for the Royal Navy, which is fun
15:16.02wethrinMost MoD require you to be a British citizen
15:16.16wethrinMIn required you and your parents to be
15:16.18murbwethrin: hey, they recruited david "the 9/11 attacks on the wtc were faked" shayler
15:16.21etorixleaves me out then
15:16.33secretlondonmurb: but he went mad afterwards we presume
15:16.34wethrinSo I couldn't work for them.
15:16.38murbwethrin: and not to live outside the uk, which i really don't understand.
15:16.46murbwethrin: you and your divided loyalties.
15:16.54wethrinI blame my parents!
15:16.55etorixsecretlondon: cant hurt to ask them
15:17.02murbwethrin: they might still recruit people who don't meat their requirements though.
15:17.07secretlondonetorix: I don't know if I could actually do it
15:17.09murbthey can decide.
15:17.11Blaptomurb: it's so you aren't open to foreign interference
15:17.25murbBlapto: i know...
15:17.30wethrinEh. I can still consider AWE or DSTL when this contract runs out
15:17.30etorixbetter than signing on
15:17.33secretlondonI'm on the collective of the local anarchist centre
15:17.34murbblackmail etc.
15:17.35BlaptoSomeone who's "British through and through" is less likely to sell state secrets.  They won't take people who are in debt either.
15:17.42murbwethrin: all the NUKES!
15:17.48wethrinMuahahaha!
15:17.51secretlondonI'd rather work for the bloody council like last time
15:17.54wethrinAnd I have a bicycle lock key!
15:18.43secretlondoncyclists = communists?
15:18.44etorixnow i want a guitar
15:19.12etorixmy mates keep getting killed off the bike
15:19.28etorixim avoiding my turn
15:19.31wethrinNo, cyclists are just hippies :)
15:20.56wethrinBlapto: Is one of their tests giving you tea, milk, and a cup, and seeing how you pour yourself a drink?
15:21.12Blaptowethrin: So far I think they've just asked my references for references...
15:21.23BlaptoNone of them have been asked in which order I pour my tea.
15:21.33secretlondonI know some of the ideological "critical mass" cyclists. they evangelise
15:21.41Blapto(Milk then tea if it's brewed, tea then milk if it's being brewed in the mug.)
15:22.09etorixi used to be a bike mechanic
15:22.38etorixwe got evicted at exactly the wrong time
15:22.55etorixbike co-op thingie
15:23.15secretlondonwe have a free bike workshop locally - they gave me a bike but it's *just* too big, and I wouldn't dare go on the main road
15:23.25wethrinBlapto: Ding!
15:23.28etorixthey wanted to re-shop us too far off a beten track
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15:23.40wethrinsecretlondon: Even with the saddle right down?
15:23.51BlaptoFree bikes?
15:24.15Blaptowethrin: what do you play?
15:24.23etorixsurgicals?
15:25.07etorixmy mate used to put his double bass under the stairs on the bus
15:25.10wethrinBlapto: I have with me in Durham: clarinet pair, bass clarinet, soprano sax, alto sax, tenor sax, bari sax, snare drum, miscellaneous auxilliary percussion
15:25.21wethrinOh, and a little recorder type thing
15:25.40secretlondonwethrin: the saddle is stuck. that's why it was free
15:25.40secretlondonBlapto: because they knew me
15:25.40etorixreeds
15:26.03BlaptoI play bass guitar if you're ever in need of a bassist
15:26.26wethrinI'm tempted to learn
15:26.34BlaptoBari sax is great :)  Do you know any Tower of Power songs?  See if you can find The More You Know
15:26.35wethrinOne of my new year resolutions was to learn a new instrument
15:26.40etorixwish i hadnt sold my fender
15:26.42BlaptoOr Rhythmn and Business
15:26.44wethrinI know some Tower of Power stuff
15:26.51wethrinI'm tempted to learn the bass guitar
15:27.00Blaptobut with less ns...
15:27.02wethrinOh, if you're in need of a saxophonist....
15:27.28BlaptoI had a saxophonist girlfriend about a year back.
15:27.32wethrinSo, instead of learning a real instrument, I appear to have taken up percussion
15:27.40BlaptoBut her lungs and hands were too small for bari...
15:28.04wethrinHands shouldn't matter too much - the keywork is such that it's only a little bit further apart than tenor
15:28.15BlaptoThey were very small hands.
15:28.22wethrinHm
15:29.18secretlondonI've got a friend doing french horn at trinity college
15:29.51wethrinHorn's a lovely instrument
15:30.13BlaptoI used to play the trumpet, I could probably pick it up again given a month or so...  I was never very good though.
15:30.24wethrinPlay trombone!
15:30.26wethrinIt's more fun
15:30.30BlaptoApparently my mouth is more Sousaphone shaped...  Well, the mouthpiece for one shaped.
15:30.39wethrinMmm....wearable tubas
15:30.45BlaptoI did play one for a while
15:30.55wethrinNice fat-bored bass trombone
15:30.58wethrinYou know you want to...
15:31.04BlaptoThere was a very short girl in the band with me, about 4' tall.  I could lean over with it and encase much of her in the bell.
15:31.21secretlondonBlapto: did it work?
15:31.25BlaptoA good friend of mine plays trombone, I'm not sure I'd have the patience to learn it knowing that I can just e-mail him something to play.
15:31.46Blaptosecretlondon: well, she got very upset, but I'd trapped her shoulders and she couldn't do much about it :)
15:31.57secretlondonheh
15:32.35wethrinOh. Must remember to return the particle counter to Engineering today
15:32.45BlaptoCount your hand!  Count your hand!
15:34.39etorixo noes .. i has 3
15:35.02BlaptoNot hands... Paritcles in a hand.
15:35.41secretlondonhmm reeds web site claims to have received my CV on "received on 01/01/0001"
15:36.12BlaptoJesus-admin
15:36.47Blaptohttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?view=DETAILS&grid=&xml=/earth/2008/02/07/scifish107.xml
15:36.54secretlondonmaybe it's not CE, AgencyTime
15:37.32BlaptoBloody self-important agencies.
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15:41.56secretlondonlol one agency is encouraging people to add their myspace profiles to their CVs
15:44.38wethrineww
15:45.44haliwe do vetting on all those sites for new candidates
15:45.55halifacebook, linkedin, myspace etc
15:46.30secretlondoneew. sounds like I should hide my live journal
15:46.56secretlondonalthough it's not under my real name
15:54.30wethrinFrankly, if an employer didn't want me because of my Facebook page, I don't want to work for them
15:55.21antiphaseDepends if it has a gallery of the donkeys you have non-consensually violated on it
15:59.35wethrinI'd be silly for putting that up
16:05.42Blaptowethrin: I want to be your friend :)
16:06.46wethrinGo on then :)
16:06.52BlaptoI already have.
16:06.59wethrinrar
16:07.15wethrinFB currently isn't loading within the univeristy
16:07.26Blaptoproxy!
16:07.48Blaptotry hitting hs.facebook.com instead
16:09.07secretlondonfacebook is lame
16:13.38wethrinAh, that's better
16:15.20secretlondonthe dole scrounger has actually got dressed now *sigh*
16:15.38secretlondonsuppose I should go out
16:15.44antiphaseYou could always get a job as a pie tester
16:15.49antiphaseTasty pies
16:15.59wethrin<PROTECTED>
16:16.40BlaptoI like the pie
16:22.55tripitakaanyone have any recommendations for beginner linux books? A friend of mine wants to take up the torch.
16:24.50antiphaseDepends what they want to do. The Interweb is a fair place to start I'd have thought
16:25.27tripitakawhat are the 'kids' looking at for beginner stuff online these days?
16:26.25secretlondonjust start with ubuntu and google for stuff you want to do
16:26.33secretlondonthere is no bible
16:27.01secretlondonbsd man pages ;)
16:27.10BlaptoReading through forums is a nice way to found out neat things.
16:27.13BlaptoOr reading all of man
16:27.59tripitakaI'll point him at ubuntu for dummies and a download site.
16:28.34cpufreakI need  to sleep soon
16:28.45cpufreakbut I have a pet kernel developer on hand now
16:28.56antiphaseThe S/N ration for Ubuntu on the web is appallingly low because of clueless lusers that can't RTFM though
16:29.11secretlondonkernel devs must be useful pets
16:29.23antiphaseWhy do my fingers always type ration when I mean ratio?
16:29.27secretlondonubuntu forums can be blind leading the blind
16:29.30etorixo reilly does good linux books
16:29.38BlaptoOh really?
16:29.46etorixoreilly
16:29.49antiphaseORLY
16:29.51etorixrilly
16:29.55BlaptoYARLY
16:29.59secretlondonNO WAI
16:30.06BlaptoOh, we're geeks.
16:30.41BlaptoYay! XD
16:30.44secretlondonand avoids Mrs Blapto
16:31.07BlaptoThat's a good few years off, I hope
16:31.47cpufreaksecretlondon: well, they are when the filesystem they wrote is broken
16:32.01cpufreakthey've been logged in for 5.5hrs now, its fun watching them work
16:32.04secretlondoncpufreak: I reckon they are in general
16:32.16cpufreaknah
16:32.19cpufreakthey're pretty boring
16:32.29cpufreakjust useful
16:33.10etorixwaych out for that linus, his jokes are really bad
16:33.17Blaptoand feed them cheesy wotsits
16:33.32secretlondonpizza and coffee
16:34.24secretlondonkeeps the hackers at the door
16:34.33etorixi kinda gave up buidling-kernels when they took out the dentist
16:34.53antiphasecpufreak: Did you stay up all night again?
16:34.58etorix-ck-dead
16:36.01cpufreakyeh
16:40.23cpufreakI had a lie in yesterday morning though
16:40.25cpufreakso its not so bad
16:41.16antiphaseLie-in? You pussy :P
16:41.49tripitakathe S/N ratio is the main reason  found it hard to move from fbsd to linux.
16:42.49tripitakaFreeBSD == guaranteed bearded knowledge
16:43.30BlaptoThat's quite true...
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16:55.42etorixdamit, im not going to make it down the hill to Curry's
16:57.18antiphaseI'll go for you, it's only 1157 here
16:57.53etorixok, heres a ton
17:00.53etorixill go down tomorrow, show them the money, an make em get me a black one
17:00.56secretlondonI suppose I should go to the food co-op
17:01.08secretlondonthey have washing liquid for £2 that does 20 washes.. yay for non profit shops
17:01.48etorixhmm .. i aint got a local wholefood coop
17:02.22secretlondoni'm lucky
17:02.44secretlondon1 at elephant and castle hidden away
17:02.46DiscordianA real co-op as opposed to The Co-op[tm]?
17:02.57secretlondonyes a real co-op
17:03.04secretlondonnot a supermarket
17:03.28DiscordianWell originall the Co-op was a real one
17:03.30Blaptosecretlondon: where is this?
17:03.39secretlondonBlapto: http://www.fareshares.org.uk/
17:03.44BlaptoRoughly... I'm not going to stalk you
17:03.47BlaptoNot after last time
17:03.51secretlondon;)
17:04.06Discordianthough it was a consumer co-op not a producer one
17:04.47BlaptoLooks interesting
17:05.09secretlondonthey sell at 10% above cost
17:05.36secretlondongreat for teas, washing powder, rice
17:05.49secretlondonas well as lentils and other stuff you'd expect at a vegan place
17:06.04Discordianlooks like  a good selection of vegetables yeah
17:06.20secretlondonthe veg is organic so the street market is cheaper
17:06.31secretlondonthe pulses etc are cheaper than the high street
17:07.03BlaptoRarrr, meat
17:07.16DiscordianI'm no hippy
17:07.18secretlondonit's cheap, i'm being economical
17:07.26secretlondonwhy pay supermarket prices?
17:07.27Blaptosecretlondon: do you help out?
17:07.31DiscordianI'll have a doner kebab tonight
17:07.43secretlondonBlapto: i have helped them do their stock work on weds
17:07.46BlaptoGoing out on the lash?
17:07.57Discordiannah
17:08.03DiscordianI eat kebabs sober
17:08.28BlaptoAh, depends where they're from I suppose
17:08.44BlaptoI real don't feel up to going out tonight, but it's a leaving do I suppose I should turn up...
17:08.53DiscordianThe local kebab shop
17:09.04Discordianwhich opens at 18:00
17:09.51secretlondonI think I should go and take some non blurry photos for these people - I volunteered originally but they said they had someone..
17:12.43etorixhmm .. my friend lunachan lives near there
17:16.18etorixpullens
17:16.48BlaptoAnybody got a flat/house share going in London by any chance?
17:17.26Discordianwww.gumtree.com is a good place to look for those
17:17.45secretlondonyes - it's in the pullens estate
17:18.06BlaptoI'd rather live with a stranger off of #GLLUG than a stranger off of gumtree :)
17:19.09secretlondonI dunno a stranger off freenode is almost guaranteed to be weird ;)
17:19.26BlaptoAt least eliminates the doubt!
17:19.33BlaptoAnd a few people here aren't complete strangers.
17:20.42secretlondonanyway - food co-op awaits
17:21.48etorixshes bin goin for years
17:21.53BlaptoI'm off
17:23.25secretlondonetorix: yeah. getting my arse in gear
17:24.04etorixno, my friend goes to fareshares for since long time
17:24.18etorixshe lives near
17:24.23cpufreakhmmm
17:26.22cpufreakso my IBM kernel FS developer's been idle on the console for 16mins
17:26.36cpufreakso tempting to wall them with
17:26.45cpufreakHURRY UP YOU LAZY WOTSITS
17:26.46cpufreakor something
17:26.48DiscordianLol
17:28.32Discordiannot as bad as the old days when the OS developers came in with microfiche and readers
17:48.40cpufreakslack jawed hippies went to lunch
17:48.50cpufreak(its lunchtime where they are)
18:04.49DiscordianHeh
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18:17.26etorixhuh, she also talks, that was about 45 minutes call
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18:40.35cpufreakso
18:40.40cpufreakIBM kernel developer just called me
18:40.50cpufreakthey told me they could not restore the data
18:40.55cpufreakso I try my plan B
18:40.59cpufreakand guess what.. it worked! :D
18:41.11etorixrestored?
18:41.16cpufreakyep
18:41.31etorixibm cant get the staff anymore
18:43.18etorixwe have a ibm staffer, captain obvious we call him
18:44.33cpufreakwell
18:44.47cpufreakthese kernel developers ar shit hot
18:44.49cpufreakthey know what they're on about
18:45.01cpufreakbut they didn't think outside the box
18:45.15cpufreakonce they told me they couldn't get my data back, I could try my plan B, which was a bit risky
18:45.17cpufreakbut worked
18:49.04Discordiangood for you!
19:03.09wethrinwhumpf
19:03.42wethrincpufreak: What was your plan B?
19:04.27etorixmy impression was 28tb
19:04.53etorixeven 2 tb is a lotta lotta backuppy
19:05.06wethrinDepends how important your data is.....
19:06.11antiphase2TB is only 2.5 LTO4 tapesful
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19:11.47cpufreakno backup
19:12.07cpufreakbackup, well archiving system not yet setup
19:12.25cpufreakgot a 3.5 PB tape library sitting there (Scalar i2000)
19:13.03cpufreakplan b was simple, I deleted the partition tables
19:13.05cpufreakrebooted
19:13.08cpufreakrecreated them
19:13.10cpufreakstarted up GPFS
19:13.11cpufreakand magic
19:13.31cpufreakso backing up my data
19:13.34cpufreaknow
19:13.45cpufreakonly getting 60MB/s across the gig tot his other server though
19:13.50cpufreakwhich is a bit annoying
19:13.54DiscordianThat's a cunning plan B
19:14.06cpufreakseems they canged their reocmmendation..
19:14.16cpufreakfor large luns, they recommend now not having partition tabels at all
19:14.18DiscordianBut I guess if there was no other chance
19:14.19cpufreakand just using raw devices
19:14.35DiscordianThat'd make sense
19:15.10cpufreakwell previous iterations of their documentation recommeneeded partitions..
19:15.14cpufreakso I went with that
19:15.26cpufreaklatest one which I didn't read, recommends raw devices
19:15.28cpufreakmeh
19:15.46DiscordianYour plan B suggests they ignore the partitions anyway
19:16.26DiscordianAt some level anyway
19:16.31cpufreakwell no
19:16.38cpufreakas I re-created the parttion table exact the same as before
19:16.48DiscordianOh I see
19:16.50cpufreakit was the kernel stopping gpfs from seeking past the first 1.7TB of the luns
19:17.38DiscordianAah right
19:18.17wethrinAh, a kernel bug.
19:18.39cpufreakwell meh, its just stupid 2^64 stuff I think
19:18.46cpufreakmy maths is a bit knackered though right now
19:18.56cpufreakas I've been up for 38hrs or something, again.
19:18.58cpufreaktwice this week
19:19.02cpufreakneed to stop doing that
19:20.24wethrinI hope they're paying you well
19:23.39cpufreakno
19:23.46cpufreakI do it all for love
19:23.47cpufreak:P
19:23.50cpufreaknah its alright
19:23.51cpufreakits fun
19:25.27wethrinRather you than me, then :)
19:25.32wethrinI'll stick to what I'm doing
19:27.57cpufreakonce I get my working weeks under 80hrs, I'll see about doing a talk for you.
19:28.36wethrinnice
19:28.51wethrin80 hours sounds like you need an assistant
19:29.31cpufreak140hrs this week
19:29.41cpufreakantiphase is in my team
19:29.52cpufreakbut he's been a hero this week
19:29.57cpufreakinstalling some systems in  NYC
19:36.36Discordianalas no one has ever paid me to go further than Bletchley to install stuff
19:37.23Discordianbletchley by night is kinda dull
19:37.48Discordiannot much better by day
19:39.40antiphaseI thought I was getting a free holiday, no such luck though
19:40.06Discordianlol
19:44.51etorixexporting sysadmins huh
19:44.57secretlondonhmm. "lively lemonade" wasn't
19:47.21secretlondonharlequin ladybirds are fucking on my windowledge
19:47.45etorixharlequin?
19:47.54secretlondonyeah the ones we have an invasion of
19:47.54Discordiangoodness
19:48.02wethrinDDT!
19:48.11DiscordianBit early in the year for that
19:48.28secretlondonwell they are on top of each other, with one to the rear of the other
19:48.35wethrin*stomp*
19:48.42etorixomigod
19:48.45etorixThere are 46 species of ladybird (Coccinellidae) resident in Britain and the recent arrival of the harlequin ladybird has the potential to jeopardise many of these. The Harlequin Ladybird Survey will monitor its spread across Britain and assess its impact on native ladybirds
19:49.01Discordianseems likely enough then
19:49.03etorixi get ladybirds
19:49.19etorixnasty biters they are , too
19:49.25wethrinah. They're a pest, like grey squirrels, then
19:50.15secretlondoncan't get a a decent phot
19:50.28secretlondonphoto
19:51.03etorixi had a black one, two red spots
19:51.12secretlondonyeah they come like that too
19:51.22etorixantiladybird
19:51.31wethrinDDT.....
19:52.23Discordiandigital debugging technique
19:53.45etorixhttp://www.harlequin-survey.org/images/site_graphics/Harmonia_colour_variants_plate_small.jpg
19:56.35wethrindebugging, certainly
19:57.20DiscordianDEC thingy
19:58.02Discordian<PROTECTED>
19:58.58DiscordianAlthough that was IBM's sig
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21:14.29secretlondonI'm bored. I think I'll have some of the ginger wine
21:21.35wethrinI'm bored too. I could  go and play some drum, but I can't quite be bothered
21:22.09secretlondonI found chocolate in the fridge too
21:22.10xteddysmiles
21:23.45wethrinooh, chockylet
21:44.47Discordianheh
21:45.07secretlondonI have a new mattress being delivered tomorrow from Beds4PoorPeople, I'm tempted to go to Cash Converters afterwards
21:45.19DiscordianI had some wine
21:46.30secretlondonI've got a pair of big speakers but no amplifier. I currently use some PC speakers connected to this machine but I know I'd be better off with an amp from the electrical pawn shop
21:46.44Discordiancashconvertors: they'e a nasty lot
21:47.08secretlondonthey are crap to sell to, certainly
21:47.34Discordianaye
21:47.49secretlondonI bought my mini disk recorder from there - no probs
21:49.15DiscordianNever did Minidisk
21:49.25secretlondonI just use it for recording outside
21:49.48wethrinI got a reasonably nice flashgun from CC
21:49.49DiscordianThough currently I don't have a MP3 thingy
21:50.21secretlondonI have 2 things that could work as MP3 players but I don't use either - I'd rather be fully alert outside
21:50.29antiphaseBeds4PoorPeople sounds like they're likely to deliver some flea-ridden mattress that was discarded by some watersports enthusiasts
21:51.40secretlondonafter being slept on by tramps for several weeks
21:52.23Discordianwatersports: you mean surfing etc?
21:52.41antiphaseI was thinking more of pissing, but YMMV
21:52.57DiscordianCrude
22:29.52wethrinMe too
22:30.06wethrinI think I might annoy the neighbours with a bit of snare drum practice
22:30.30secretlondonI've just poured myself some more wine

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