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00:54.07NafalloI'm not drunk! :-)
00:54.37secretlondonsure?
00:54.48Nafalloyea. I remember my passwords :-)
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00:59.40Nafallorice and beef curry
01:00.39Nafallogaah
01:00.53NafalloI'm not going to touch company servers right now
01:01.17z00daxNafallo: good idea
01:03.17Nafalloyea, they are not Ubuntu. :-)
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01:06.55secretllousy
01:07.46Nafallosecretl: hmm... didn't you say you have shell?
01:09.24secretlyeah - but that'll be worse i reckon
01:10.19secretlas well as the fact that ssh hasn't worked for me since hardy alpha 3
01:10.44Nafallowell, fix it.
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01:36.16Nafallobed... <3
01:36.25secretlondonwith 9 second lag I think I'd better
01:37.01Nafallowoha!
01:37.07NafalloTesco gave me a £1.50 voucher...
01:38.16secretlondonwhy?
01:38.41Nafallobecause I had 197 points :-P
01:38.43NafalloI think
01:39.09Nafallowhere of 150 was welcome points ;-)
01:54.27secretlondonzzz
01:54.46Nafallosame here
01:58.39secretlondongood night al
01:58.47secretlondonall
04:33.14etorixBe nice now. I'll be sipping my Mai Tai. With an umbrella (*).
04:33.14etorixLinus
04:33.14etorix(*) But in Oregon, we don't do the small cute paper umbrellas. We do the
04:33.15etorixbig serious ones, to make sure our drinks don't get too watered down!
04:33.15etorixAhh, the Oregon beach in February.
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06:28.17etorixF Britain wants to pay more than ?15 for a DVD player then it may as well just go ahead and boycott the Beijing Olympics, the prime minister said last night.
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11:18.35z00daxmoin
14:22.29z00daxibot: george
14:22.31ibotgeorge is, like, gwright@kde.org and a KDE devel
14:37.19Nafallough... another Thunderbird upload for CentOS. my blackberry went off from friday evening til saturday evening with mozilla stuff last weekend.
14:38.34z00daxNafallo: i just pushed i out :D did you get my email ?
14:38.47z00daxthere is a firefox one later today
14:38.51Nafallolol. aha. two of them this far :-P
14:39.14z00daxbtw, you can set filters at lists.centos.org and only get the stuff you want, specific version / arch etc
14:39.41Nafallonice. I need to do that right away then. I don't really care for s390x to be honest :-)
14:40.20z00daxme neither
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17:47.31secretlondonit's fine now. I left it in last night, it crapped out at eleven or so and would barely do anything when I got home
17:47.41secretlondonturned off all day and all ok
17:51.56etorixe secretlondon
17:52.20DiscordianGood evening
18:17.17zmey_ggood evening
18:25.41Discordianbrrr
18:25.54DiscordianIt's cold outside
18:26.38etorixyup
18:26.47etorixim goin out again
18:27.18etorixgoin up kilburn, by way of nearly golders green
18:27.40etorixhope to wind at a sing
18:27.55etorixwith a bunch of ulster girls
18:28.07Discordianup kilburn via golders green?
18:28.15etorixthey have like gatherings
18:28.16Discordianhow does that work?
18:28.28etorixone  of em has a harp
18:28.43etorixi has to go to my mates housefirst
18:28.50Discordiangolders green is norf of kilburn
18:28.52Discordianahhh
18:29.08etorixthen back down kilburn
18:29.08etorixyup
18:29.48ablackup != norf
18:29.56etorixlike traditional old irish singing ting
18:30.04DiscordianHmmm
18:30.13etorixi know sarf irish catholic songs
18:30.24DiscordianI went to kilburn once
18:30.31etorixthey is belfast prods
18:30.33DiscordianSaw The Clash play there
18:30.44etorixgrandad built the titanic like
18:31.04etorixgreat model of it on the sideboard
18:31.12Discordianharland and wolf
18:31.16etorixyup
18:31.25DiscordianI ran their website for a year or so
18:31.31Discordianinter alia
18:36.25Discordianhappy birthday!
18:36.28secretlondonnot mine
18:36.36Discordianokay
18:37.10DiscordianLike a whole load of geeks, mine is may
18:37.15secretlondonit's a mate from wikipedia, pembury where else
18:37.37Discordianof course
18:37.47secretlondonI think the more extrovert geeks are spring babies
18:38.01secretlondonthere seems to be loads of feb
18:38.03secretlondonin
18:39.08secretlondonetorix: hows yer package?
18:39.19etorixwell
18:39.41etorixi has to do some ginormous copyright ting
18:39.47secretlondonk
18:40.04secretlondonnafallo is an ubuntu dev btw - he should be able to help
18:40.06etorixi ran a grep line that got 2281
18:40.36etorixall need to be tied to the bits of code they contributed
18:40.51etorixi think i can do the first 10 right
18:41.11etorixbut actrually i has to plough thru it
18:41.18secretlondoncan't you just use the old packaging?
18:41.19etorixthen theres lintians
18:41.22etorixnope
18:41.37etorixlintian is much savager now
18:42.02etoriximay have help with the lintians
18:42.21etorixbut i has to do the gruntwork on copyrights
18:42.25secretlondoncopyright stuff should be an upstream thing
18:42.37etorixwell, hes sloppy
18:42.43secretlondonwe just have in an AUTHORS file
18:42.51etorixdont
18:43.09etorixi got 2281 lines of authors
18:43.13secretlondoneek
18:43.39etorixi need to deal with it starting monday or so
18:43.53etorixget a stategy
18:43.54DiscordianThat's a lot of signlf
18:43.58Discordiansignoffs
18:44.02etorixand juast fucking do it
18:44.07secretlondonI'd make supstream do it
18:44.31etorixno way, hes recoding in fluid, FLTK
18:44.39etorixhe can help tho
18:45.04secretlondonit did look like there's half a dozen separate rewrites going on..
18:45.10secretlondonslighty silly
18:45.19etorixdebian is strict, i made a mess of the ITP
18:45.36etorixnow they will fine toothcomb my next up
18:45.52etorixi has suporttho
18:46.12secretlondoni'll help of course if needed
18:46.24etorixi think i can get it sponsored but i CANT error much next time
18:46.55etorixi hads a member of debian-multimedia helping
18:47.01etorixa DD
18:47.24etorixi might  osw him beers already
18:47.30etorixowe*
18:47.44secretlondoncool
18:47.46etorixthis aint a simple app
18:47.50secretlondonI bet :(
18:47.54etorixworks good too
18:48.08etorixi fed it some fresh digitals today
18:48.11etorixsec
18:48.26etorixhttp://imagebin.org/14046
18:48.43etorixhttp://imagebin.org/14047
18:48.49secretlondonvodaphone content control blocks that site
18:48.51etorixmy penknife
18:49.04etorixbah
18:49.10secretlondonI don't have tor or socks working yet on this box
18:49.31etorixi get 4.1mb jpegs out of this camera
18:49.53secretlondoncool - whats the lens like though
18:49.57etorixill asort out showing em after weekend
18:50.03etorixnikkor
18:50.09etorix12.1 mp
18:50.09secretlondonoh fine then
18:50.16secretlondonNICE
18:50.24etorixnew
18:50.39etorixi cant hardky run the camera or the app
18:50.43etorixha ha
18:50.54secretlondonDid you know you can pick up drunken women using an eee? I saw it in action last night..
18:51.15etorixmy guitar worked well in the past ..
18:51.37secretlondonrandom women came up cos they thought it was cute ;)
18:52.02secretlondonnot mine but they are a great geek toy
18:52.50etorixhmm
18:53.00secretlondonrun linux = get the chicks (perhaps we should spread that around)
18:53.15etorixididnt go toa leaving party this week, 300 japanesegirls
18:53.38secretlondon:)
18:53.48etorixthisfashion guy was got kicked out
18:54.26DiscordianI still haven't seen a real eee
18:55.23etorixah, we has a few in #sidux dev land
18:55.29etorixme , no
18:55.52etorixcloudbook looks ok too
18:56.07secretlondontuxpaint's dd has been working on a debian port to them apparently
18:56.24secretlondonor that's his excuse for being awol anyway ;)
18:56.45etorixbfree wants to do a eee-edition iso
18:56.55DiscordianIf i was working I'd buy an eee with a real disk
18:57.26etorixthem flash tings will get bigger an cheaper fast
18:57.32secretlondontrue
18:57.40etorixi git a fuji sd-card, 2gb
18:57.42Nafalloyou can buy a 32GB SD soon.
18:57.58etorixand a free fuji reader ting
18:58.02secretlondonI bought a second hand 2 gig cf card for a fiver this week
18:58.13etorixnice camera icon in konq
18:58.18Nafalloyou don't want to replace the SSD
18:58.26etorixi could delete in konq
18:58.54etorixnikon coolpix p5100
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18:59.36DiscordianCF duty cycles before failure are low
19:00.05etorixmtbf isabout the same
19:00.57etorixanyweay, secretlondon
19:01.24etorixupstream hollywoodguy keeps emailing me n that
19:01.32etorixwe is talking a lot
19:01.58etorixhes making noises at debian too, saying my name
19:02.39etorixwe may have em surrounded, but my next upload of whatever has to be PERFECT
19:02.41secretlondonwell steve langasek commented on my bug saying that upstream are making noises
19:02.50etorixor defensibly not
19:02.54etorixyup
19:03.07secretlondonhe also said that cinepaint was unmaintained upstream which is obvious balls
19:03.15etorixyes
19:05.09etorixhes on crack
19:05.33etorixbut debian gets really bitchy
19:05.43etorixits expected
19:06.28secretlondonwell he's in defend debian's procedures mode
19:06.28secretlondonyeah - it has "religious" elements..
19:06.29etorixonce i get acleanpbuilder build, i can get it put in our own repo
19:06.37etorixmaybe
19:06.47secretlondonit's a cause as well as a distro
19:06.52etorixthen ibintu could pull from that
19:07.03secretlondonyes please - once you do that i'll look at it
19:07.22etorixI has to be happy its clean first
19:07.26secretlondonssure :)
19:07.29etorixthen slh
19:07.53etorixi want it in debian tho
19:08.00secretlondonof course
19:08.06etorixand im ready to whatever to get it in
19:08.10secretlondononce you get into debian all the derivs get automatically
19:08.47etorixi has a good friendly smart mentor
19:08.54secretlondonexcellent!
19:08.58etorixin the right DD group
19:09.09etorixnext i need a Sponsor
19:09.18etorix::done::
19:09.29etorixjust  nit nit nit
19:09.36etorixok. /bbl
19:09.42secretlondonk see ya
19:13.25Nafallosecretlondon: no.
19:13.45secretlondonno? to which bit
19:13.46Nafalloubuntu has seized auto-importing a while ago, no?
19:14.05secretlondonno - we still auto sync once a release cycle
19:14.07secretlondonafaik
19:14.12Nafalloehrm yes.
19:14.19NafalloI talk about this release cycle
19:14.27secretlondonoh - feature freeze now
19:14.45Nafallothat means new version freeze was a while ago
19:14.55secretlondonso if cinepaint is available for hardy it'll be via a ppa only
19:14.55Nafalloand that means autosync is not happening.
19:15.02Nafallowhy?
19:15.04secretlondonyes - for hardy
19:15.08Nafallofile a syncrequest?
19:15.20secretlondonits a new package
19:15.33secretlondonit fell out of debian
19:15.48Nafalloah. nice
19:16.01secretlondonetorix is being a star at fixinbg that
19:16.15Nafalloexist on gutsy
19:16.18secretlondonit was orphaned in debian
19:16.23secretlondonyes I know
19:16.36secretlondonI have a launchpad bug on it
19:16.36NafalloI would file a syncrequest and tag it regression :-)
19:17.10secretlondonits not in debian yet
19:17.32Nafallooh right... we don't sync from new anymore.
19:18.03Nafallohmm
19:18.24Nafallohow do I cycle a usb without having physical access? :-)
19:20.45secretlondoncinepaint bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/debian/+source/cinepaint/+bug/190791
19:23.29Nafalloupdate the bug report with a comment that a re-packaging is in Debian new then.
19:24.29secretlondonI don't know if it is yet
19:24.47Nafallohm. oki.
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20:23.44DiscordianHi again
20:26.44secretlondonhi
20:30.01DiscordianBrrrh tis cold
20:39.19DiscordianTis a bit far
20:39.28Discordianand I'm skint
20:40.29DiscordianWhen I'm working again I shall come visit the pembury
20:40.45Discordianand other #gllug places
20:40.45secretlondonit's also the birthday party of someone you don't know..
20:41.04DiscordianWell I wouldn't want to gate crash
20:42.59secretlondonwell the pub is open at normal
20:42.59secretlondonthere will just be more goths than average ;)
20:43.26DiscordianI've no problems with goths
20:43.40DiscordianSome of my best friends are goths
20:47.51secretlondonI remember you saying
20:48.33Nafallooooh
20:48.34Nafallogoths
20:48.45Nafalloif it hadn't been a sunday...
20:53.35secretlondonthere is always a geek boardgaming meet every sunday there
20:53.55Nafalloboardgaming...
20:54.02Nafalloright, I'm out ;-)
20:54.35Discordianif i don't take the east grimstead job
20:54.58DiscordianI might manage geek boardgames
20:55.04Discordiansometime
20:55.36secretlondonsome people don't play the board games and just drink beer - I *always* play the games though :)
20:56.26DiscordianI'd drink the beer
20:56.45Discordianand play any games I understood
20:56.47NafalloI'd take the ales
20:56.59Nafalloand leech on the wifi :-)
20:58.12DiscordianIt goes without saying I'd bring my laptop]
20:58.28NafalloI'd probably bring wizard and halfling :-)
20:58.45Nafallohehe
20:58.53Nafallosecretlondon loved halfling ;-)
20:59.42secretlondonI could fit it in my handbag ;)
20:59.57Nafallothe one where they change the celeron for a c2d :-)
21:00.06secretlondoncelery is too big to lug around really
21:00.25secretlondonnot casually anyway
21:01.31Nafallo"ASUS plans to introduce second-generation Eee PCs in April 2008, featuring Intel’s Merom processors. The new design will reduce power consumption by 36%, from 11 W TDP to 7 W TDP. ASUS may also remove the fan to further reduce power consumption and noise."
21:02.16secretlondonyum
21:02.52Nafallono. dpkg.
21:03.28Nafallobut yea, I will get one :-)
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21:11.20Nafallooooh
21:11.22Nafallohttp://ubuntu-eee.tuxfamily.org/index.php5?title=Main_Page
21:15.06secretlondonincludes skype, and kde libs and other weird shit
21:15.33secretlondon900 mhz is too small for gnome/kde
21:15.55secretlondonand google picasa runs under wine and looks crap - its not a proper port
21:17.06secretlondonoh ok - they scrapped that are just use default gutsy
21:17.21secretlondonstill gnome is too much on a little machine
21:18.13Nafallonot sure.
21:18.18Nafallodid you look at the youtubes?
21:18.22Nafallohttp://ubuntu-eee.tuxfamily.org/index.php5?title=Why_Ubuntu
21:18.50Discordianxfce is good on slower cpus
21:19.03NafalloI have eeeXubuntu now
21:24.44Nafallodoesn't really like XFCE
21:24.55Nafalloand well, the CPU is a lot faster then you might think.
21:25.41secretlondonI admit I run gnome on this 1200Mhz thing, but 900 may be a bit slow
21:25.51secretlondonalthough it's more RAM related anyway
21:25.55DiscordianI ran gnome on a 1Ghz cpu for years
21:30.35Nafallohttp://ubuntu-eee.tuxfamily.org/index.php5?title=Clock
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22:23.08axelStr
22:23.10axelSre even
22:23.13axelSdamnit
22:23.25secretlondonello
22:23.54axelS:-)
22:31.31axelShi caroline
22:33.12secretlondonomg woman on the channel!!!1
22:33.37Discordianque?
22:33.39Nafallo?
22:34.23secretlondonit was the 8 min gap and then using my 1st name - presumably did a whois on me
22:34.35halihai
22:34.39DiscordianOh i see
22:35.31DiscordianYou're not the only woman here
22:35.40secretlondoni know
22:35.58secretlondonand sabinef72
22:36.24haliwhat about me?
22:36.24Discordianquite so
22:36.43axelSLOL
22:36.57axelSi mention a woman's name and the channel awakes ;-)
22:37.10halioh right, im a woman in my *next* life
22:37.20DiscordianRespect secretlondom
22:37.33Discordiandamn I can't message
22:37.35Nafallohali: tror inte du ar kvinna nej :-)
22:37.36axelShey, not like there's never been a female human being on gllug
22:37.44secretlondonI know
22:38.07axelSin fact, afaik, there've been quite a few - even to the meetings
22:38.17secretlondonindeed
22:38.18halii could be!
22:38.41halibut im not
22:38.58Nafallonot sure if women are allowed to carry that name from where we come from TBH :-)
22:39.20axelS@hali: somebody who hangs out in jboss channels shouldn't throw stones
22:39.38Discordianwith a lot of surgery and hormone therapy, hali
22:39.40haliNafallo: its probably allowed but i dont think anyone would conisder it
22:39.53axelS@Nafallo: where you from mate? iceland, finnland, sweden?
22:39.59haliaxelS: i take it youre not a fan of jboss?
22:40.19NafalloaxelS: last one :-)
22:40.55axelS:-)
22:41.23Nafallooh right... I have a cloak in here :-P
22:41.40halispitzenklasse!
22:41.47axelS;-)
22:42.07axelSi believe the only good java is in a mug, with some sugar and milk
22:42.21axelSjaja, okok :-)
22:42.27haliaxelS: ah, whats your preference then?
22:42.28secretlondonthe island is okay, i'd imagine
22:42.30NafalloaxelS: well, ajax is quite nice ;-)
22:42.35axelS@hali: on top
22:42.40secretlondonajax is toilet cleaner
22:42.44axelSoi
22:42.55Nafallosecretlondon: wrong ajax
22:43.03secretlondonreally ;)
22:43.11Nafallosecretlondon: no
22:43.16Nafallo:-P
22:43.35Nafallosecretlondon: want to no something fun?
22:43.47haliaxelS: i may as well join #websphere #weblogic and #oc4j as well :) i use them all
22:43.54haliand i quite like it
22:43.57Nafallosecretlondon: the e220 and e270 has the exact same device ids.
22:44.03secretlondonI know
22:44.22secretlondonI blogged about that ages ago - and told you that on thurs I think
22:44.32Nafallosecretlondon: hmm
22:44.48Nafallosecretlondon: but your e270 didn't have dual usb-connectors?
22:44.54secretlondonno - just 1
22:45.00Nafallough
22:45.21secretlondonits a rounded rectangle thing with 1 usb
22:45.21Nafallothis becomes more and more weird :-P
22:45.49NafalloI have an assist power to plug to the laptop as well :-P
22:46.18secretlondonmy guess is that the e270 is the e270 with updated firmware (as you can apparently update the e220 to higher speeds)
22:46.30secretlondonthis could be why mine keeps crapping out
22:46.41secretlondonit is <i>very</i> flaky
22:47.01NafalloI'm starting to think you should have dual connectors to the lappy :-P
22:47.11axelSu talking about mp3 players, right?
22:47.20secretlondonhsdpa modems
22:47.22Nafalloif it doesn't receive sufficent power that would explain the flakyness.
22:47.26secretlondonyep
22:47.31NafalloaxelS: 3g usb dongles :-P
22:47.51axelSmmm dongles
22:47.52haliis that the 3 usb thingie they give away?
22:48.08secretlondonits a 7.2 thing you have to pay for
22:48.19secretlondonthink the 3 thing is a e220
22:48.34hali3 as in 3 the operator
22:48.40secretlondonyeah i know
22:48.41Nafallo3 has e220 indeed.
22:48.49Nafalloand they have pin by default
22:48.59secretlondone220 is the lower speed version
22:50.14secretlondonNafallo so yours plugs into 2 usb ports at once?
22:50.21Nafallosecretlondon: yes
22:50.28halidoes any operator offer the 7.2 version in the uk yet?
22:50.34Nafallohali: voda
22:50.51haliNafallo: expensive?
22:50.55secretlondonvodafone for a few months
22:51.01Nafallohali: $company ;-)
22:51.19Nafallosecretlondon: just ask voda to send you one?
22:51.25secretlondonI pay £30/month and paid £60 for it. however they are cheaper now
22:52.22secretlondonNafallo: I've found v'phones customer services really poor but if there is an 'upgrade' to fix my bug maybe they will
22:52.30halisecretlondon: whats the transfer per month on that plan?
22:52.36secretlondon3gb/month
22:52.44halinot a lot then
22:52.54halihm
22:57.19secretlondoncool my en-gb tuxmath file is in svn already :)
23:09.08Discordianheh
23:09.13Discordianhands off
23:09.37Discordianpart of my 5 a day
23:21.51axelS:-)
23:22.02axelStoo late
23:27.43secretlondon55 second lag!
23:31.03secretlondoncool - content control is broken! I have photos from flickr and the chat in googlemail!
23:37.11wethrinyay
23:37.15wethrinwhy?
23:38.13secretlondondunno. presume breakage
23:38.34Nafallotold you how to get around it :-)
23:40.01secretlondonyeah but that involves ssh and thats broken for me on hardy
23:40.18Nafallowell, figure out why.
23:40.21Nafalloworks fine for me.
23:42.54secretlondonNafallo do you run current hardy?
23:43.25Nafallosecretlondon: on wizard I do.
23:49.54secretlondonstops at debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
23:51.37Nafallosounds like the bug I mentioned ;-)
23:51.39Nafallodapper was it?
23:53.40secretlondonno this is hardy
23:53.58secretlondonand it worked fine on hardy a3
23:54.01NafalloI still think the problem is on the server :-)
23:54.18Nafallosecretlondon: ssh -v lumberjack.magicalforest.se
23:54.43secretlondonnafallo i'll try it ty
23:55.19Nafallosecretlondon: should get to denied because of public-key I think
23:56.07secretlondonits got further anyway :(
23:56.25Nafalloyea. so restart sshd on the server :-)
23:56.59secretlondondamn looks like a hades problem :(
23:57.16secretlondonits his box
23:57.34secretlondongot as far as Permission denied (publickey).
23:57.39secretlondonmuch much further
23:57.50Nafallosecretlondon: told you :-)

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