| 00:01.31 | Nafallo | secretlondon: it isn't to do with the client at all |
| 00:01.38 | Nafallo | ehrm |
| 00:01.42 | Nafallo | I thought |
| 00:01.50 | secretlondon | then why i can i still connect from dapper? |
| 00:02.02 | Nafallo | yea. didn't read the whole message. |
| 00:02.04 | Nafallo | hmm |
| 00:02.25 | Nafallo | might be one of the older bugs that has reappered. |
| 00:02.45 | Nafallo | my sshd_config is a bit paranoid, so wouldn't be affected ;-) |
| 00:11.03 | wethrin | secretlondon: Whatwhat? |
| 00:11.28 | secretlondon | I can successfully ssh to nafallos box but not hades |
| 00:12.14 | wethrin | Yeah. You're using a newish Linux, aren't you? |
| 00:12.22 | secretlondon | very new |
| 00:12.26 | secretlondon | current alpha |
| 00:12.28 | wethrin | Thought so |
| 00:12.44 | wethrin | There's somethign weird with new OSes |
| 00:12.56 | wethrin | Newer versions of Linux fail. Vista fails too |
| 00:12.59 | Nafallo | want me to try and see how far I get? |
| 00:13.12 | wethrin | This is using putty on Vista, BTW |
| 00:13.22 | secretlondon | maybe you need to update as it's an old openbsd |
| 00:13.38 | wethrin | I know Debian had some problem before, because they used some brain-dead defaults |
| 00:13.48 | wethrin | I do need to update |
| 00:13.58 | wethrin | And I'm not going to until I get a serial console attached to it |
| 00:14.34 | secretlondon | Nafallo https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/187473 |
| 00:14.53 | secretlondon | I still think it's a bug if something has broken compatibility |
| 00:15.17 | Nafallo | I can reproduce |
| 00:15.45 | secretlondon | dapper is fine, hardy a3 was fine |
| 00:15.51 | wethrin | It's full of FAIL on the key exchange |
| 00:16.15 | Nafallo | wethrin: which auth mechs have you got enabled in sshd_config? |
| 00:16.43 | Nafallo | wethrin: any of them not in use? |
| 00:18.03 | wethrin | None changed from the defaults |
| 00:18.19 | wethrin | RSAAuthentication Yes |
| 00:18.31 | wethrin | PubKeyAuthentication Yes |
| 00:18.45 | wethrin | PasswordAuthenticatoin Yes |
| 00:18.58 | wethrin | ChallengeResponseAuthentication yes |
| 00:19.03 | wethrin | Kerberos no |
| 00:19.08 | wethrin | GSSAPI no |
| 00:21.51 | secretlondon | hades is running openssh 4.3, lumberjack openssh 4.6 |
| 00:22.24 | Nafallo | I don't have RSA Password and Challenge either :-) |
| 00:23.05 | wethrin | Hmm........ |
| 00:23.11 | wethrin | if I disable the firewall it works |
| 00:23.29 | wethrin | http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/openbsd-misc/2007/4/24/148531 |
| 00:24.53 | secretlondon | i'll add that thread to the bug |
| 00:26.10 | wethrin | Looks like it could be a 'feature' of newer IP stacks |
| 00:26.59 | secretlondon | thats the same bug on gutsy - *but* it worked on earlier hardys |
| 00:28.35 | axelS | ok folks ... nite nite :-) |
| 00:29.52 | secretlondon | night axel |
| 00:30.04 | axelS | nite Caroline |
| 00:30.10 | axelS | l8rs.. |
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| 00:30.28 | wethrin | secretlondon: Try now |
| 00:30.48 | Nafallo | wethrin: works |
| 00:30.55 | secretlondon | yes i'm in |
| 00:30.57 | wethrin | yes |
| 00:31.00 | wethrin | weird |
| 00:31.14 | secretlondon | how did you fix? |
| 00:31.23 | wethrin | I told it to keep state on incoming ssh connections |
| 00:31.36 | wethrin | What I had before was allow ssh traffic in non-statefully |
| 00:31.48 | Nafallo | hehe. nice. |
| 00:31.52 | wethrin | Then on the return packet, it'd keep state |
| 00:32.04 | wethrin | So I could throw it through the queueing system |
| 00:32.26 | wethrin | Now it keeps state after the first incoming packet |
| 00:33.50 | wethrin | I can't be bothered to investigate further as to *why* developers have decided to do breakages to the IP stack |
| 00:34.02 | wethrin | So I shall just put it down to people being idiots |
| 00:35.03 | secretlondon | i'll add your workround to the bug if i may |
| 00:35.38 | secretlondon | and that it appears to be only an issue with openbsd servers |
| 00:35.53 | wethrin | Only when running pf |
| 00:36.03 | wethrin | And not having a fully stateful firewall |
| 00:37.46 | Discordian | This is #gllug yes? |
| 00:37.57 | secretlondon | uhuh |
| 00:38.58 | Discordian | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.47 | wethrin | Darren Reed's one? |
| 00:42.00 | Discordian | aye |
| 00:42.46 | Discordian | i wouldn't touch the OpenBSD one |
| 00:43.17 | wethrin | I'd trust pf. |
| 00:43.29 | wethrin | It generally appears to be better than ipf now |
| 00:43.47 | Discordian | I've no respect for Theo |
| 00:44.01 | wethrin | I have a lot more respect for Theo than RMS |
| 00:44.01 | secretlondon | hsi code is good |
| 00:44.21 | Discordian | His people skills are null |
| 00:44.28 | wethrin | He's a nice guy |
| 00:44.37 | wethrin | He just doesn't take idiocy easily |
| 00:45.03 | wethrin | Most of what people complain about him is when he's abrasive because they've done something stupid |
| 00:45.14 | Discordian | What are you saying? |
| 00:45.47 | Discordian | You think darren reed is an idiiot? |
| 00:46.25 | secretlondon | bug updated https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/187473 |
| 00:46.35 | secretlondon | any more info to add? |
| 00:47.07 | wethrin | Darren is fairly abrasive too. So not surprising he had a falling out with Theo |
| 00:47.44 | Discordian | aye |
| 00:50.06 | wethrin | Theo didn't like Darren's 'clarification' to the ipf licence. So he pulled it out of OpenBSD. Then Dan Hartmeier wrote pf. In the end, pf appears to be a more featureful software. |
| 00:51.09 | Discordian | openbsd alone of the free ixs doesn't have downloadable ISos |
| 00:51.19 | wethrin | So I didn't agree with his decision when he pulled it. However, pragmatically, it was the right decision |
| 00:51.22 | wethrin | They have ISOs now |
| 00:51.40 | secretlondon | yep |
| 00:51.52 | Discordian | do they , they never used to |
| 00:52.31 | secretlondon | its new with 4.2 |
| 00:53.00 | Discordian | i may grab that |
| 00:54.33 | wethrin | Bah. It still doesn't support partitions > 2TB |
| 00:55.22 | secretlondon | you have partitions greater than 2 TB? |
| 00:55.46 | wethrin | Not yet |
| 00:56.02 | Discordian | i have 120gb] |
| 00:56.03 | wethrin | But I'm hoping to steal around 6TB |
| 00:59.09 | wethrin | I suspect it'll be ZFSed, and carved up somehow |
| 00:59.37 | wethrin | So it'll either be FreeBSD or Solaris running it |
| 01:00.13 | Discordian | Shame linux can't do ZFS |
| 01:00.34 | wethrin | Indeed. It's a licencing thing, isn't it? |
| 01:01.01 | Discordian | BSD license |
| 01:01.35 | Discordian | Not compatible witg |
| 01:02.07 | Discordian | with GPL2 |
| 01:02.37 | wethrin | ZFS is CDDL, innit? |
| 01:03.23 | Discordian | still not compatible with GPL2 |
| 01:03.50 | wethrin | No. Most things aren't |
| 01:05.07 | Discordian | Sun won't dual licence |
| 01:05.19 | Discordian | so it's no game |
| 01:31.37 | gregj | http://starrgazr.wordpress.com/2008/02/15/john-cleeses-letter-to-america/ |
| 01:32.56 | wethrin | gregj: Not by John Cleese |
| 01:33.35 | wethrin | http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/revocation.asp |
| 01:33.41 | wethrin | But good, nontheless |
| 01:37.26 | gregj | good ? |
| 01:37.30 | gregj | it is brilliant |
| 01:37.45 | gregj | it looks like some things bother not just me :) |
| 01:39.16 | wethrin | It's old :) |
| 01:40.45 | secretlondon | well it's all pretty obvious imo |
| 01:41.02 | secretlondon | and the rebutals are fun too |
| 01:45.57 | gregj | 9. We'll tell you who killed JFK when you appologize for "Teletubbies" |
| 01:46.11 | gregj | (should be the teletubbies, but brilliant point anyhow) |
| 01:47.31 | gregj | and I see no point in thanking them for WW2, since known fact (not a military secret anymore) is that US president knew about perlharbour, and allowed it to happend just because he wanted to become a party in the war |
| 01:48.19 | gregj | thanks to that, we have americans all overt the bloody europe now, and now they want to push their fat asses even to .pl and .cz and .sk with 'armours' , armour my arse. |
| 01:50.20 | Nafallo | god damn it |
| 01:50.35 | Nafallo | how the hell could I read Teletubbies as TeleHouse... |
| 01:50.51 | gregj | telee hauz |
| 01:57.12 | secretlondon | Nafallo one track mind |
| 01:57.53 | Nafallo | really? |
| 01:58.09 | secretlondon | obviously you have telehouse on the brain.. |
| 01:58.27 | Nafallo | well. I more or less live there so... |
| 02:01.55 | Nafallo | gnight |
| 02:02.43 | secretlondon | night |
| 03:51.55 | secretlondon | i should probably go to bed really |
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| 13:00.40 | z00dax | hello |
| 13:00.58 | Nafallo | hiya |
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| 14:05.10 | aguaithefreak | hi there |
| 14:06.09 | aguaithefreak | I got this "dd: reading `/dev/cdrom': Input/output error" when copy a cdrom from CLI |
| 14:06.24 | aguaithefreak | anyone met this before? |
| 14:07.13 | antiphase | Unless you specified the size to transfer, it will do that when you fall off the end of the data |
| 14:08.06 | aguaithefreak | ok let me man dd |
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| 17:41.40 | secretlondon | hi |
| 17:41.49 | Nafallo | hi Caroline |
| 17:46.15 | secretlondon | apport is doing its thing, _slowly_ |
| 17:51.12 | hali | secretlondon: convert is a part of imagemagick, converts images |
| 17:51.33 | secretlondon | thanks |
| 17:52.11 | secretlondon | yeah it's just opened a page to report a bug in imagemagick |
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| 19:17.39 | Nafallo | hmmm |
| 19:22.14 | wethrin | Getting ready is overrated |
| 19:31.21 | hali | get the goth gear on? |
| 19:47.24 | secretlondon | well i'm wearing black |
| 19:47.43 | secretlondon | but thats it |
| 19:47.44 | secretlondon | but its a bit late - eek |
| 19:48.02 | hali | eeepc |
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| 22:07.55 | Discordian | Hi |
| 22:17.03 | popey | http://gllug.org.uk/ 404 |
| 22:17.10 | popey | do we know about this? |
| 22:19.42 | popey | ah, www.gllug.org.uk works :S |
| 22:20.08 | Nafallo | hi popey :-) |
| 22:20.24 | popey | eek |
| 22:20.37 | Nafallo | haha |
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