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| 00:46.25 | wethrin | hi trousers |
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| 09:07.41 | hali | morning |
| 09:11.07 | hali | hm, Susanna Reid on Breakfast@BBC1 looks well tasty this morning |
| 09:16.35 | antiphase | Bit old for me, I'm only 30 |
| 09:18.49 | hali | she's 37 |
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| 12:17.51 | gregj | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods |
| 12:17.55 | gregj | america my arse :P |
| 12:21.57 | Ch0Hag | Big arse. |
| 12:33.35 | gregj | well, UK goverment is not better than that. I read somewhere, that 7/7 was an false flag operation too. But a lot of water will have to pass thames till those documents are released too, if ever. |
| 12:34.09 | gregj | it is 51st state after all :) |
| 12:34.25 | antiphase | Stupid conspiracy bollocks |
| 12:35.08 | gregj | as, our GNU 'god' - Richard Stallman says, UK prime minister(s) are Bushes poodles (not to say dogs) |
| 12:35.14 | Ch0Hag | Muppets. |
| 12:35.22 | gregj | I have it in audio somewhere, if you wish to listein to ;) |
| 12:35.29 | Ch0Hag | Can't refund a drive under warranty, can only replace. |
| 12:35.38 | antiphase | I don't believe anyone that's too stupid to use a razor regularly |
| 12:35.39 | gregj | antiphase: rrrright |
| 12:35.40 | Ch0Hag | So I have to go to these bloody offices twice to replace a £40 hard drive. |
| 12:35.59 | gregj | anyway, back to work |
| 12:36.20 | gregj | have to be busy working to survive, so I am not a threat to any goverment :) |
| 12:38.51 | Ch0Hag | Even if I buy a replacement before sending back the dead one. |
| 12:39.09 | Ch0Hag | Bloody indian callcentre too. |
| 12:40.18 | gregj | yeah, I remember trying to 'register' (bloody anti terrorrizm acts, that are used only to control citizens) my pay-as-you-go Orange card. I had to call them 4 times, to get someone who I was able to understand on the phone |
| 12:41.14 | gregj | prior to 2001 I was able to buy those cards with no hassle whatsoever. I still can go to 7-11 in .pl Today, and buy those for a quid. Unlike in UK. well. |
| 12:41.36 | gregj | yeah, bloody indian call centres |
| 12:41.37 | Ch0Hag | This country's going down the pan. |
| 12:41.40 | Ch0Hag | We need a recession. |
| 12:41.54 | Ch0Hag | Shake everyone up a bit. |
| 12:42.04 | antiphase | I don't see the problem with making life difficult for foreigners |
| 12:42.22 | Ch0Hag | What about making life difficult for natives? |
| 12:42.22 | antiphase | After all, most terrrrrsts are going to be foreign |
| 12:42.25 | gregj | I see a problem with making life difficult for anyone |
| 12:42.29 | gregj | rrrrright |
| 12:42.54 | gregj | I don't know what you smoke, but I would love to get your dealers number please |
| 12:43.20 | gregj | ;] |
| 12:43.24 | Ch0Hag | I think I smell a hint of sarcasm. |
| 12:43.24 | antiphase | Despite being in .nl, I don't really. It doesn't agree with me. |
| 12:46.08 | gregj | fact is that if not for foreginers UK (and US) will be a minor country atm. average IQ of natives in UK is well below any resonable. I read an article recently on BBC's site, about how many intelligent folks, after uni leaves the country, and escapes to US, and mostly to other quiet regions, where they don't have to worry only about money (NZ, europe, australia, and so forth) |
| 12:46.30 | antiphase | What a bizarre outlook |
| 12:47.20 | antiphase | IT may have escaped your notice that the UK once owned half the world, and while that sort of behaviour is frowned upon in these enlightened days, it proves we had the capability of doing it while no-one else did |
| 12:47.33 | gregj | ppl live presently in popcultural madness, we are being fed with so many false images, to make us think that everything is ok, as long as we have a quid in our pocket. It is really scarry. |
| 12:48.02 | antiphase | I BLAME THE INTERNETS |
| 12:48.25 | Ch0Hag | *had* the capability. |
| 12:49.34 | gregj | well, I wonder why on earth brits still live in the history. that was 150 years ago. wake up. Right now you have stuppid natives drinking till they fall in pubs all day long, all week long, so many young mothers-girls. I wouldn't be proud of those natives-brits, if I were brit. As I am not proud of stuppid Poles, as Polish Citizen myself |
| 12:50.03 | gregj | mind you, that Poland once was a great country too, but that was many years ago. And we don't live in the past, as Brits or French do :) |
| 12:50.12 | gregj | but nonetheless, time go to back to work :P |
| 12:50.30 | antiphase | I thought the Poles were a load of vodka-soaked plumbers stealing our jobs. Shows how wrong you can be I suppose. :P |
| 12:50.59 | zmey_g | antiphase: are you really that blind or stupid? |
| 12:51.05 | gregj | rright. I am not a plumber, and I never 'stole' any job. you guys have huuuudge shortage of IT ppl there. So... |
| 12:51.10 | antiphase | People were drinking excessively in the UK long before we had an empire |
| 12:51.12 | gregj | he is a brit :) |
| 12:51.14 | gregj | no offence :P |
| 12:51.26 | Ch0Hag | antiphase: Not stealing our jobs, *doing* our jobs. |
| 12:51.30 | gregj | but Brits drink more vodka than any average Pole does |
| 12:51.50 | gregj | do |
| 12:51.57 | Ch0Hag | As for Britain, I'm not proud of Britain now and I'm not proud of our history. |
| 12:52.29 | antiphase | You could try Africa, I think they have vacancies for skilled workers |
| 12:52.43 | gregj | one thing you should be proud of, is the britsh banking system. Enslaved US to this date. nice job you guys (british bankers that is) |
| 12:53.04 | gregj | lost the great war in US, yet were able to enslave these folks in peacefull manner |
| 12:53.18 | gregj | antiphase: not interested in africa, too far away |
| 12:53.33 | gregj | antiphase: I was invited to work in Canada, but that's too far away too. |
| 12:53.55 | gregj | UK is only 3h flight away. |
| 12:54.01 | antiphase | Free healthcare as well |
| 12:54.02 | zmey_g | the point is the government tries hard to shift the blame of its own failure on everything around. i mean they found easy targets- foreneirs |
| 12:54.34 | gregj | yeah, and before they blamed all on black ppl and god knows what else |
| 12:54.38 | gregj | (I am not that old) |
| 12:54.43 | antiphase | IT has never been any different, the peasants are slightly more revolting and demanding of full disclosure these day though |
| 12:54.52 | antiphase | I can't type It today |
| 12:55.10 | Ch0Hag | I don't think it's a coincedince that bankers and wankers are so easily confused. |
| 12:55.17 | gregj | hrhr |
| 12:55.18 | gregj | true |
| 12:56.46 | Ch0Hag | There is always blame, but it never goes where it should. |
| 12:57.21 | gregj | you just created my quote of the day :D |
| 12:58.21 | Ch0Hag | Which? Both? |
| 12:58.26 | Ch0Hag | They're in the wrong order... |
| 12:59.44 | zmey_g | what really makes me angry is how population tries to support establishment just because they govern them. people are so blind. all this wars against terror, just cant get it. |
| 13:00.26 | antiphase | What? |
| 13:01.37 | gregj | 13:55 < Ch0Hag> I don't think it's a coincedince that bankers and wankers are so easily confused. |
| 13:02.00 | Ch0Hag | That's been going on since the beginning of time. |
| 13:02.16 | Ch0Hag | People want rulers to tell them what to do so they don't have to go to the trouble of thinking. |
| 13:02.17 | gregj | did you know that most americans have no idea in what year 9/11 was? |
| 13:02.34 | gregj | but they know facts from TV, about actors and other 'celebrities' |
| 13:02.53 | gregj | you ask in Europe (I mean the mainland), and majority knows |
| 13:03.05 | antiphase | Americans are stupid. News at 11. |
| 13:03.05 | Ch0Hag | It's a little confusing these days because freedom is in fashion. |
| 13:03.38 | Ch0Hag | Americans are no more stupid than plebs from anywhere else, they're just in the lead. |
| 13:03.47 | Ch0Hag | And they do so like being first. |
| 13:04.03 | zmey_g | there is no freedom guys in the world. go and see matrix |
| 13:05.15 | gregj | this is some really good shit you are smoking, or just inhailing, seriously. |
| 13:07.08 | gregj | truth also is, many of those 'world conspiracy' theories are funny, and overstated. And the way those folks present them in, I mean, it scares ppl away, and causes laughter spazms in some folks. |
| 13:07.59 | Ch0Hag | Incompetence generally trumps conspiracy. |
| 13:08.23 | antiphase | People have always been dishonest and underhand, I don't see any difference other than worldwide communication is now ubiquitous so people babble on about it all the time |
| 13:08.59 | gregj | or maybe not 'in' but ppl laught at them. I do. But I also take some of those messages seriously, and think about them. You know, it doesn't matter how something is presented. We are now being fed with bleak messages being fed to us in a really nice way. Empty messages really. We are so used to the way things are being presented in, we don't look at the message anymore |
| 13:09.05 | Ch0Hag | Deceit feeds on itself. |
| 13:09.46 | gregj | anyway, time to fill my rabit hole with concrete :P |
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| 13:32.33 | dick_turpin | £100 laptop Elonex: http://www.elonexone.co.uk |
| 13:32.53 | boudiccas | delivery extra |
| 13:34.30 | boudiccas | no details on the webpage about it other than just 'sub £100'! |
| 13:34.52 | gregj | http://youtube.com/watch?v=qNkI5sRzny0&feature=user |
| 13:34.54 | gregj | ;] |
| 13:35.32 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Check my site the specs are there |
| 13:35.52 | boudiccas | whats the url please dick_turpin i've lost it |
| 13:36.48 | dick_turpin | http://www.cannon-linux.co.uk |
| 13:37.57 | antiphase | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cannon-linux.co.uk%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0 |
| 13:38.03 | antiphase | Ba ha ha |
| 13:38.20 | boudiccas | i had two h/d die on me and in the resulting hiccup my other two h/d got corrupted |
| 13:38.23 | boudiccas | thank you |
| 13:39.27 | boudiccas | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.36 | boudiccas | *contents |
| 13:43.38 | dick_turpin | antiphase: See this face? Bothered? |
| 13:45.48 | jcmlUK | boudiccas: really? |
| 13:46.15 | boudiccas | jcmlUK, really what? |
| 13:46.36 | jcmlUK | "NAND FLASH .... does this mean that when you switch it off the memory conetents goes too?" |
| 13:46.45 | jcmlUK | wasn't sure if you were joking or not |
| 13:46.52 | boudiccas | yes. thats my question |
| 13:47.08 | boudiccas | no, perfectly serious. i dont know so i'm asking a question |
| 13:47.33 | jcmlUK | that's the stuff your USB drive has inside. The machine basically has a USB stick soldered in it. |
| 13:47.49 | boudiccas | ah, right. thank you |
| 13:48.49 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Email Elonex and ask em :-( |
| 13:54.22 | popey | and for many people would be required, thus taking the price over 100 quid |
| 13:56.32 | dick_turpin | popey: I did a small post regarding Linux User Group Too (That will get picked up by a few 'Planets') |
| 13:59.45 | popey | that elonex one is pretty fugly IMO |
| 14:00.23 | Ch0Hag | Heh. Elonex still exist. |
| 14:00.48 | popey | indeed |
| 14:01.09 | popey | their machines were crap back in 1993 when $work used to buy them |
| 14:01.13 | dick_turpin | popey: Yeah And why have they stuck the 'Ports' block on the lid? |
| 14:01.40 | popey | because the keyboard is detachable? |
| 14:01.54 | popey | mate of mine has an elonex media centre thing, says it's okay |
| 14:02.22 | dick_turpin | popey: They could have shoved it round the back surely? |
| 14:02.30 | popey | then it wont lie flat |
| 14:02.41 | popey | but yes, i agree |
| 14:03.01 | popey | cpu is a bit weedy |
| 14:03.25 | dick_turpin | popey: It don't look very flat as it is, any idea on the size compared to the EeePC? |
| 14:06.02 | popey | no, not seen one |
| 14:06.10 | popey | but it _looks_ top heavy |
| 14:06.41 | popey | given with the eee if you open it too far it tips up, I'd bet that the elonex jobbie _needs_ that stand thing at the back, be surprised if it can hold its own weight |
| 14:07.18 | dick_turpin | popey reminds me of the old chunky Compaq Laptops the CD range (Looking in archive) |
| 14:39.51 | dick_turpin | popey: Just had someone make me aware of this site http://www.gumstix.com/waysmalls.html |
| 14:40.20 | dick_turpin | They're not laptops but headless units??? |
| 14:41.55 | Leeds | dick_turpin: they're not even headless - more like embedded |
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| 15:20.00 | Ch0Hag | Since when did you have to pay tax on domains? |
| 15:20.35 | hali | always? |
| 15:20.46 | hali | at least as an individual |
| 15:20.49 | hali | VAT on the cost |
| 15:20.54 | wethrin | They're not essential, y'know |
| 15:21.29 | Ch0Hag | Ah yes it's probably vat. |
| 15:21.31 | Leeds | not if you're not EU-resident :-D |
| 15:22.11 | wethrin | Yes, but this is a channel for the London LUG. So it's fair to assume everyone lives in or around London :) |
| 15:22.12 | hali | .uk domains are so cheap anyway |
| 15:22.28 | hali | i'd be happy to pay 17.5% VAT on a 2 quid domain |
| 15:22.31 | Leeds | wethrin: don't be silly |
| 15:22.46 | Ch0Hag | Except it seems most of the regulars are actually abroad. |
| 15:23.15 | wethrin | Leeds: Aw. Please? |
| 15:23.18 | Leeds | I can never remember which end of Europe Greg is living in at the moment |
| 15:23.27 | Leeds | wethrin: okay... you have my permission to be silly |
| 15:24.47 | wethrin | Yay! |
| 15:29.13 | Ch0Hag | Heh. UKFSN terms of services for domains: |
| 15:29.18 | Ch0Hag | "This page is found in the root AWBS directory and it's filename is tos.html |
| 15:29.18 | Ch0Hag | Edit this page with your Terms of Service as desired. " |
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| 16:17.09 | dick_turpin | wethrin: I don't :-) |
| 16:19.56 | boudiccas | doesn't say how big /around London/ is :) |
| 16:20.15 | boudiccas | I'm around London, its only an hour away on the train |
| 16:35.04 | dick_turpin | Here are some funny clips (.wm sorry) well they made me laugh http://cannon-linux.co.uk/Downloads/ |
| 16:36.29 | popey | capitalised folder names ftl |
| 16:37.00 | antiphase | directories that are called Folders ftl :P |
| 16:38.35 | dick_turpin | Oops, oh well |
| 16:40.15 | dick_turpin | There renamed it :-P |
| 16:41.20 | wethrin | http://www.commandlineidiot.com/blog/2007/linux-users-are-all-crazy-fundamentalists/ |
| 16:44.32 | dick_turpin | wethrin: rotflmao, "Ubuntu users are Baby rapists" |
| 17:40.15 | Ch0Hag | budge: i am looking for a tool that is linux based that can image a drive |
| 17:40.21 | Ch0Hag | budge: i have looked at ping |
| 17:40.25 | Ch0Hag | budge: but have had issues getting it to work |
| 17:40.49 | wethrin | Umm. |
| 17:41.29 | Ch0Hag | Quite. |
| 17:41.44 | wethrin | where's that from? |
| 17:41.57 | Ch0Hag | An old co-worker. |
| 17:42.04 | Ch0Hag | Salesman/1st line tech support |
| 17:43.04 | Ch0Hag | I don't know what to say, but that's OK because he didn't wait the 6 minutes it took me to notice that he'd said anything. |
| 17:48.27 | wethrin | oh dear |
| 17:56.30 | antiphase | ping /dev/hda |
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| 18:46.59 | secretlondon | hi |
| 18:49.55 | wethrin | hi |
| 19:33.16 | etorix | secretlondon: not for distribution: "cinepaint" is a deep paint image retouching tool: http://www.cinepaint.org/ :: Tester debs + src 32 + 64-bit: http://sidux.net/etorix/ |
| 19:35.19 | secretlondon | cool |
| 19:41.39 | Ch0Hag | Oh. My ping friend is back. |
| 19:41.47 | wethrin | heh |
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| 20:00.41 | etorix | http://www.cinefex.com/upcoming/listings/upcominglist.html |
| 20:12.13 | secretlondon | etorix: and? |
| 20:12.37 | etorix | im waiting |
| 20:13.25 | etorix | my 32-bit pbuilder aint signing yet |
| 20:14.15 | etorix | my 64-bit pbuilder is signing but not building 32-bit yet |
| 20:15.48 | secretlondon | I meant 'and?' in ref to the cinefex thing |
| 20:20.42 | secretlondon | i'm downloading yer cinepaint bits and will try and install here |
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| 20:23.34 | Discordian | good evening |
| 20:25.44 | secretlondon | evening |
| 20:34.51 | etorix | cinefex.. its a list of upcoming funny-colored films |
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| 21:25.09 | Ch0Hag | Can perl do /(...){3}/ and give you $1, $2 and $3 or do you need to do /(...)(...)(...)/ |
| 21:26.05 | secretlondo | etorix: it's all installed okay |
| 21:26.20 | secretlondo | etorix: however the installation dialog is fuxxored |
| 21:26.34 | etorix | installation dialog ? |
| 21:26.39 | secretlondo | and has scroll bars that don't scroll |
| 21:26.47 | etorix | thems for debian sid |
| 21:27.15 | etorix | would want rebuildering for buntu |
| 21:27.48 | secretlondo | well its installed okay and i can run |
| 21:27.56 | etorix | installation dialog thingies works fine here |
| 21:28.21 | secretlondo | wanna screenshot? |
| 21:28.30 | etorix | show me |
| 21:28.35 | Discordian | Hmmm dialog etc is a bit not standard |
| 21:28.42 | secretlondo | ubuntu syncs straight from sid anyway |
| 21:28.47 | secretlondo | k - i'll just stick it somewhere |
| 21:29.04 | Discordian | seems to vary across *nix platforms |
| 21:29.08 | etorix | ubuntu rebulds everything |
| 21:29.30 | etorix | id rebuild anything i took frombuntu |
| 21:29.39 | etorix | paths aint the same |
| 21:29.56 | etorix | libs, etc/etc |
| 21:31.47 | etorix | still a loads of cleaning/lintians n such to do |
| 21:32.05 | etorix | i cant up to mentors yet |
| 21:32.34 | secretlondo | etorix: http://pics.livejournal.com/secretlondon/pic/000194yz/ |
| 21:32.46 | secretlondo | etorix: text cut off at top, and scrollbars didn't |
| 21:34.31 | etorix | it didnt demand libgutenprint* ? |
| 21:34.35 | secretlondo | it did |
| 21:34.39 | secretlondo | and downloaded it |
| 21:35.00 | secretlondo | i can check which if you want |
| 21:36.13 | etorix | no matter, that would be handled by the buntu builders, in due course |
| 21:36.46 | etorix | not for distribution yet, these |
| 21:36.55 | etorix | just personal testing |
| 21:36.58 | secretlondo | libgutenprint 5.0.2-2ubuntu1 |
| 21:37.08 | secretlondo | which means that its got one patch on debians 5.0.2-2 |
| 21:38.05 | etorix | libgutenprintui2-1 - runtime for the Gutenprint printer driver user interface library |
| 21:38.16 | secretlondo | k ui |
| 21:38.41 | secretlondo | getting error messages "cannot colourmanage this display" |
| 21:38.58 | etorix | need to set up ICC profile |
| 21:39.08 | etorix | tell it lies |
| 21:40.18 | secretlondo | looks nice though |
| 21:40.20 | etorix | file >preferences > color management |
| 21:41.19 | secretlondo | *much* nicer than the gtk1 version which I last saw of this thing |
| 21:41.43 | etorix | fugly, that was |
| 21:41.57 | secretlondo | indeed. art progs shouldn't be fugly |
| 21:42.20 | etorix | building from-source was awful too |
| 21:42.37 | secretlondo | well it looks hot here |
| 21:42.52 | etorix | my first debs were fine tho |
| 21:43.06 | secretlondo | unlike the gimp it looks like it actually comes with nice, usable brushes |
| 21:43.25 | etorix | i just sent kai-uwe the urls |
| 21:44.42 | secretlondo | libgutenprintui has the same version # as libgutenprint |
| 21:47.29 | secretlondo | yes this is much nicer than the gimp! |
| 21:49.17 | secretlondo | I should really play with this on my desktop not my laptop ;) |
| 21:51.58 | etorix | u could re-build it |
| 21:52.40 | etorix | .dsc, diff.tgz, orig.tar.gz |
| 21:52.44 | secretlondo | yeah - the icc stuff isn't working here |
| 21:53.16 | secretlondo | i'll add yer repo to sources.list and get the source |
| 21:53.37 | etorix | er, not sure if it will work as-repo yet |
| 21:53.50 | secretlondo | but it looks classy - it has the quality control that the gimp lacks |
| 21:54.25 | etorix | get manually the 3 files that end as above |
| 21:54.40 | etorix | put em in a dir |
| 21:54.58 | etorix | find the buntu instructions |
| 22:10.24 | etorix | whatever, im making a bit of progress at last |
| 22:12.15 | secretlondo | cool |
| 22:12.40 | secretlondo | libpng-dev is already a dependency of something else on the list if that matters |
| 22:13.42 | etorix | might do, it all wants re-looking at now anyway |
| 22:14.29 | etorix | main thing is, its where it can be looked-at |
| 22:14.49 | secretlondo | yep |
| 22:15.20 | secretlondo | zlib1g the same |
| 22:21.17 | Discordian | I shall go to at least one of the meets |
| 22:24.42 | secretlondo | yay |
| 22:26.08 | Discordian | Though where do I actually find out what they'll be about? |
| 22:27.41 | hali | blimey, hm, looks like Betfair forked out and bought themselves a couple of Egenera cabinets |
| 22:29.18 | secretlondo | Discordian: the first one is about miro and I presume is on the web site somewhere |
| 22:29.27 | secretlondo | I've no idea what the second one is |
| 22:30.16 | Discordian | I can't find either on the website actually |
| 22:31.52 | wethrin | Neither are on thed website yhet |
| 22:36.47 | secretlondo | etorix: I'm gonna build in a hardy pbuilder and see what happens |
| 22:37.08 | etorix | cool |
| 22:39.43 | secretlondo | 138 packages to download! |
| 22:39.51 | Discordian | ! |
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| 23:11.22 | secretlondo | net too crap to download this stuff tonight |
| 23:11.36 | Discordian | heh |
| 23:11.38 | secretlondo | gonna go to bed and try again tomorrow |
| 23:11.49 | Discordian | makes sense |
| 23:11.54 | Discordian | night |
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