IRC log for #gllug on 20080301

00:04.22DiscordianErrrk
00:04.43DiscordianBuilding it here barfs
00:04.50secretlondonis that a bad move?
00:05.16DiscordianIt claims to want > 0.3.2 of gnome-doc-utils
00:05.17secretlondonseahorse?
00:05.22DiscordianYeah
00:05.59Discordianyet gnome-doc-utils is higher than that
00:07.08secretlondondoes it need a -dev package like debian distros
00:07.13secretlondonin debiqan land you build against -dev
00:07.30DiscordianI tried looking for -devel
00:07.45DiscordianThe fedora equiv
00:08.18secretlondonk
00:08.57Discordiangurgle
00:09.57DiscordianOf course stringwise 0.3,2 < 0.10.3
00:13.02secretlondonoh ffs
00:13.12secretlondonit can't be that broken surely?
00:20.45Discordianso it seems
00:26.28Discordianand now it barfs again
00:30.37DiscordianWith lots of hacking I can build it
00:33.22DiscordianI'll reboot and see what F8 does
00:34.05ArmandDON'T
00:34.15ArmandIt's the auto-destruct key!
00:34.25Discordianerr no
00:34.26Armand^_^
00:34.37DiscordianI'm running F7 now
00:34.41Armandhehe
00:34.55Discordianworry if you see me on here on Doze
00:34.58Armandsorry.. bored. :P
00:35.07Armand3Operating System: WinXP Professional 5.1 SP3, v.3264 (Build #2600)
00:35.11Armanddo what now?
00:35.13Armandlol
00:35.20ArmandI think I offended him! :P
00:36.12secretlondonarmand: mentioning windows generally has that effect
00:36.23Armandoops. ^_^
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00:38.30ArmandDid I offend you, Disc?? :P
00:39.32DiscordianNo
00:39.36DiscordianRebooted
00:39.41Discordianto F8
00:39.47Armandhahaha, yeah.. right! ^_^
00:40.18DiscordianGonna try building it undet F8
00:44.42ArmandYeah, I've decided to use F8 on my webserver.. Gentoo is PITA to install.
00:45.32Discordiani'd not use fedora on a production box
00:49.03DiscordianSimilar prob on FC8
00:49.38Discordian1.0.0 is > 1.5.55 for GPGME
00:50.16secretlondoncrap
00:51.10Discordianand GPGME should be gpgme
00:52.04ArmandWell, if it runs apache and I can SSH it, then it's good for me.
00:52.18Discordianerr
00:52.27Armand?_?
00:53.28Discordianyou can run apache on doze
00:53.34Discordianand set up ssh
00:53.47Armandnah.. don't *want * winduhs. :P
00:54.10Armandit's a test bunneh webserver, so I can learn more about linux.
00:54.12Discordiandoesn't mean you should
00:54.44Discordianokay
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00:57.08secretlondonhi geospart
01:19.55Copelo
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01:29.48Discordianwb
01:31.14secretlondoty
01:31.19secretlondoweather terrible
01:31.27secretlondohowling wind
01:31.41Discordianoutside here too
01:37.34DiscordianI'm stupid no doubt
01:39.34DiscordianI'd love to have a good friend to share stuff with
01:39.55DiscordianNot a euphemism
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01:46.57hatevphonesoh ffs
01:47.35Discordianwb
01:47.51secretlondoni actually ran out of nicks
01:48.00Discordianhah
01:48.07secretlondonit locked up, and then locked up again whilst I was connecting
01:48.17Discordianouch
01:49.37DiscordianI'll no not have net access
01:49.40Discordiansoon
01:49.55secretlondoneew
01:50.03Discordianand maybe never again
01:50.29secretlondonlack of job?
01:50.43Discordianyep
01:50.56Discordianand money
01:59.37secretlondon:(
02:00.16ArmandWell, due to job issues, I'm thinking of moving.
02:09.40secretlondonnight all
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03:21.45Discordianre
04:15.40DiscordianLots of nick changes
04:16.07arika-chanthat's IRC for you
04:16.19Discordiani could do scrabble
04:17.36Discordianthe times tomorrow has a copy of monopoly
04:17.47arika-chanintriguing
04:17.53Discordianmight have to buy that
04:18.22Discordianthough i do have the classic board game
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05:38.57Discordianwb
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08:22.21etorixhttp://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=10918
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09:35.52morsingcurson!
09:36.01cursonhi
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10:31.23morsingProvito!
11:19.21Provitowb morsing, long time no see
11:19.37morsing:)
11:19.43bilarhhmm
11:19.53Provitosteady eddy haha
11:20.06bilarhif i paid for my road tax yesterday, and the old disc ran out yesterday
11:20.14bilarhcan i then drive the car if I've forgotten to put the new disc in?
11:20.24bilarhit's all electronic in this day and age, shurely?
11:20.24morsingYes
11:20.39morsingThey'll moan and you're not supposed to but they won't do anything
11:20.44bilarhif i get a fine, i'll tell them you told me :P
11:20.46morsingYEs, they can check
11:20.49morsingSure...
11:21.09bilarhit must be all on electronic record anyway, otherwise the anpr stuff wouldn't work
11:21.18bilarhhow's the chevelle coming along btw?
11:21.20morsingIndeed
11:21.38morsingErmmm... Broke down again yesterday :)  Delayed my journey by 4 hours
11:21.54bilarhouch :-\
11:22.09bilarhdid you ever get it tuned up at all?
11:22.11morsingNot fun when the insulation on a 40mm2 starter wire burns through on the exhust manifold and shorts out
11:22.34bilarhno, that sounds like a pain in the arse :)
11:22.41morsingYeah, a bit. It's up to 200HP now. 145 when I got it, then 175, now 200.
11:23.08morsingTiming is still out, can get another 10-15HP out of some more timing
11:23.13bilarhcool, what have you had done to it?
11:23.28morsingFirst step was a better distributor
11:23.46morsingSecond was new inlet manifold and carburettor
11:24.22morsingStill plan on building a new engine but have no money at the moment
11:25.29morsingRigght, time to cut my hair
11:25.50bilarhcool
11:25.56bilarhi'm doing some engine mods myself at the moment
11:26.13bilarhbut off hold this month as my stupid work place fcked my overtime payments up again
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13:36.28morsingboudiccas!
13:36.28morsingkjalil!
13:47.10boudiccasmorsing, yes?
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15:19.15starshinemorning, all
15:29.52halimorning
15:31.24Nafalloehrm
15:31.28Nafallo"morning" :-)
15:32.24haliafternoon for us in old blighty
15:33.34halihmm, tempted to post a laptop trade to the list, wouldn't mind a huge 17" in trade for my 15.4"
15:34.00etorixand a slave to tote it about
15:34.15haliget an ibm x60 to tote about
15:34.26halis/ibm/lenovo/
15:36.13haliso the 17" is for home use only, like watching dvd's in bed
15:37.16haliand ffs, how cheap can memory get, 2gb for the x60 is £30 quid
15:39.15Nafallo<3 slave :-)
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18:30.33secretlondonhi
18:30.56halihi
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18:40.19secretlondonbah laptop froze
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19:12.46Ch0HagWhat's the magic dd or fdisk|fdisk incantation to duplicate a partition table layout?
19:15.20Nafallohttp://www.cpqlinux.com/ddbackup.html
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19:17.44Nafallooops. wrong channel.
19:19.28zmey_gNafallo: thanks. good link
19:19.37Ch0Hagoh bah that doesn't copy extented partitions.
19:19.41Ch0HagOtherwise, cheers.
19:19.56Ch0HagFor some reason I always forget that the MBR is 512 bytes.
19:20.46NafalloCh0Hag: yes it does.
19:21.09NafalloCh0Hag: just use /dev/sda for example it the entire disk including MBR will get piped.
19:21.24Ch0HagIt just didn't.
19:21.35Ch0HagThe new drive has partitions 1 to 4 but not 5-9.
19:21.36Nafalloweird
19:23.24Ch0HagWhich is to be expected copying just the mbr.
19:23.49Ch0HagI'm sure there's a way to fdisk -l that can be piped into another fdisk. I guess I'll have to RTFM.
19:24.09Nafalloehrm
19:24.30Nafallodd of /dev/sda would be expected to grab EVERYTHING on that disk.
19:24.50Nafallodd of only the first 512 would take only the MBR.
19:25.28Ch0HagI don't want to duplicate the entire disk. That'll really screw md up.
19:25.34Ch0HagNot to mention take about a week.
19:26.13Nafallohehe. oki.
19:42.10Ch0HagHere we go - sfdisk -d /dev/OLD | sfdisk /dev/NEW
19:42.23Ch0HagNow I could have done it manually but finding that out was much more fun.
20:02.06Ch0HagYay. My RAID is well on the way to being.
20:13.21Ch0Hagresync goes in an unusual order.
20:14.02Ch0HagOf md4-11, md4 then md10. What will be next?
20:14.11Ch0HagOf 1-3, 1 then 3 and now 2.
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21:09.31z00daxrar!
21:09.34z00daxroar!
21:10.09secretlondonello
21:10.39z00daxhowse things ?
21:14.01secretlondondunno - I slept until 6pm and haven't gone to the party I was invited to
21:14.08secretlondonso not that great, really..
21:14.11z00daxooh... Party's are good
21:18.26secretlondonit's weak. I should have gone, but then there is the whole drinking thing and whether I'm get low, and getting myself organised and arrgh
21:19.03secretlondonI should really go to the Pembury tomorrow but i won't be able to drink anything as I'm having a series of bloody tests the next morning
21:19.55secretlondonhiding away is lame
21:23.30secretlondoni'm doing ubuntu bug triage as something to do..
21:24.20Discordianheh
21:35.01Discordianyeah tis
22:26.39secretlondonI bought a bulb of fennel (the veg) from the food co-op last week. It was pretty expensive £1.50 iirc but I've never tried before so I got it
22:27.38secretlondonI've finally decided to cook it. You can eat raw but I'm boiling. Apparently you don't eat the stalks or leaves (makes note to buy one with less stalks and leaves next time)
22:27.55Discordiani've never had fennel
22:28.54secretlondonme neither!
22:29.03secretlondonthe herb is a diff plant
22:29.12secretlondonaccording to stuff I read
22:29.27Discordianthat's strange
22:45.56DiscordianI'd like to try fennel
22:46.17DiscordianI tried shallots recently and now I'm a b
22:46.20Discordianbig fan
22:46.23secretlondoncool
22:46.36secretlondonI have celeriac here which I also got from fareshares
22:46.45secretlondonI like trying new stuff :)
22:46.59DiscordianNot sure I'd like cleriac
22:47.24secretlondonnever tried
22:48.03DiscordianI like some veggies
22:48.41DiscordianI don't eat brocolli, cababage, sprouts etc
22:52.31DiscordianI really must go fruit/veg shopping monday when the shop is open again
22:52.59secretlondoncompletely made up meal!
22:53.11Discordianheh
22:53.15Discordianwhat is it?
22:53.36secretlondonwholewheat pasta, boiled fennel with lumps of chedder. The 'sauce' is olive oil and white wine vinegar
22:53.52DiscordianSounds nice
22:54.41halihm, sounds good
22:54.58halii had wholewheat pasta too
22:55.03halibut with cow
22:55.23halii should eat less meat really
22:55.43haliespecially since i recently replace baby sweetcorn as my fav veg with brocolli
22:55.53haliand brocolli is really easy to cook
22:56.08Discordianmy favourite veg is onion
22:56.19halihm, can't just have onion :)
22:56.35Discordiannah tomatoes too
22:56.48Discordianand cucumber
22:57.14secretlondoni like onion
22:57.19secretlondonand lemons
22:57.29DiscordianMmm
22:57.31secretlondonstimulation food
22:57.39Discordianlemons are good
22:57.59DiscordianThe herbal tea I like is ginger and honey and lemon
22:58.29secretlondoni've been making lemon tea with real lemon
22:59.01Discordianbit acidic I'd have thought
22:59.27secretlondonjust a slice of actual lemon in tea
22:59.36DiscordianOh right
22:59.42secretlondonmuch more lemony than lemon 'herbal' tea
22:59.44Discordianas in black tea?
22:59.49secretlondonyep
23:00.13DiscordianI'm trying to avoid milk
23:08.55halihm, Virgin DSL is showing it's ugly face
23:09.15halidownloading from a mirrorservice, speed: 6.3kB
23:09.56secretlondoneew
23:10.07secretlondonvodafone has given me perfect service today
23:10.21secretlondonI'm convinced it's a prob with saturation now
23:10.32secretlondonits always better at weekends and at night
23:10.55haliim gonna switch to be i think
23:11.08halineed to check how long their contract is
23:11.15halias im tempted to move this year
23:11.35secretlondonmy prob is bt want £££ to give me a landline
23:12.01secretlondonyou can't switch from cable to be afaik, as you need a bt landline to transger it to be
23:12.13secretlondonand bt have a minumum term
23:14.52z00daxits basically reverse arp
23:14.59z00daxdoh! wrong chan
23:15.16halistill using rarp? :)
23:15.25z00daxhali: yeah
23:15.37z00daxgot netboot for this ultra/10 just setup
23:15.38halii still use rarp to install solaris
23:15.40haliyep
23:15.42haligood on sparc
23:15.47secretlondonnetbooting arggh
23:15.52z00daxi am running out of cd-r's here, so might as well switch to using netboot
23:15.57secretlondonthats the only time i've used
23:15.58halinetbooting ftw
23:16.11halicd-rW?
23:16.12z00daxwill get a patch into cobbler for OBP support, already have one for OpenFirmware
23:16.42z00daxhali: cd-rw is slow. I have a couple of those - but none of them burn at > 8x or so
23:16.44Discordianjumpstart++
23:16.51z00daxthe CD-r was running through at 40x :D
23:18.57halihandy to have netboot up and running anyway
23:19.12z00daxyea
23:19.28halii spent a wasted a few days this week getting our windows ris install service to work from linux this week
23:19.33z00daxthis u/10 has been processing deps for the last 18 minutes :D
23:19.50z00daxhow did that go ?
23:20.08halispoke breifly to boss btw, he's for some reason ok with me giving you the cpu and ram but not the chassis... i'll poke him again
23:20.13haliit went fine actually
23:20.32halifound some PXE/Windows guide ... pxelinux can boot windows just fine with some teaking
23:20.40halitweaking*
23:20.41z00daxinteresting
23:21.16z00daxi wonder if cobbler could be persuaded to do that as well
23:21.27z00daxi know someone has solaris and macosx stuff
23:21.41haliwhats cobbler?
23:22.16z00daxthats it
23:22.28haliah, looks handy for xen
23:22.36z00daxI shall be demo'ing cobber on the 15th March, its what my talk is about
23:22.42halixen management in rhel is fairly basic
23:22.47halinice
23:22.48z00daxhoping to do baremetal, Xen + virtualBox and KVM
23:22.50DiscordianOh cool
23:23.00halivirtualbox ftw!
23:23.07haliat least for desktops
23:23.07z00daxnice
23:23.17haliyes i'll try to attend as well
23:23.31z00daxyeah, well - I am sort of still waiting for someone to sort out nVidia drivers and Xen before I get it onto my desktops
23:23.42haliblimey, the cobbler site even mentions centos :)
23:24.10halii like the detached window thingy in virtualbox, it's ace
23:24.21halilooks like a native app, no need for the full desktop clogging up space
23:24.51z00daxhali: yeah, lots of cobbler work done in sync with centos people - some of the most active people in the cobbler area right now are centos users .
23:25.04z00daxi need to get some proper mechanism to get cobbler rpms into the distro / repo
23:25.22z00daxthe fact that there is a new release every few weeks makes it a major moving target
23:25.37haliso in essence cobbler is kickstart on steroids?
23:25.42z00dax192.168.1.225 - - [01/Mar/2008:23:25:31 +0000] "GET /repo/Misc/centos-sparc/os/sparc/CentOS/perl-Net-SSLeay-1.30-4.el5.sparc.rpm HTTP/1.1" 206 16717 "-" "urlgrabber/3.1.0"
23:25.49z00daxugh, wrong chan. sorry
23:26.13z00daxpretty much, it lets you setup distro's and arch's etc - then lets you manage who gets what and control that
23:26.23halilooks handy
23:26.29halii have a similar diy thing
23:26.34z00daxits got some nice things as well, like it has repo management built in, and it lets you install pre-updated tree's so no yum update post install and wait for 50 min
23:26.50haliwhich is pretty much a shell script that s/foo/bar/'s a bunch of templates
23:27.45z00daxyeah, i have one of those as well
23:28.03DiscordianI did at last job too
23:36.50secretlondonarrgh someone has complained about me on #ubuntu-motu
23:37.29secretlondonI was using the wrong process
23:37.35wethrinhm?
23:37.54secretlondonI told a developer to follow X rules, when he didn't need to
23:38.00wethrinoh
23:38.06wethrinmneh, no biggie
23:38.09secretlondonyeah
23:38.28z00daxmotu ? what does that mean ?
23:38.56z00daxwell,in English what does that mean - its not a very polite thing to call someone in Hindi
23:39.01z00daxor even Punjabi for that matter
23:39.23secretlondonooh
23:39.28secretlondonmasters of the universe
23:39.44secretlondonuniverse = ubuntu repository that is community maintained
23:48.17halihm, they sure know how to make wank look like legal documents
23:49.58haliquite amusing, all the "Success stories" on their website are from pre-2003 :)
23:50.24DiscordianHahah
23:50.40halihttp://sco.com/company/success/story.html?ID=15
23:50.40Discordiani used to admin SCO Openserver
23:50.43halithats a good one
23:50.54Discordianand Unixware systems
23:50.55halithey deployed SCO on Pentium Pro processors!!!11one
23:51.55DiscordianLol
23:52.28Discordiani still have my Unixware and Openserver install media
23:53.05halii was looking for a unixwaer download on their site but it seems like they don't like hobbyists
23:53.36DiscordianThey used to have a hobbyist programme
23:53.44DiscordianThat's how I have my copies
23:55.16DiscordianI diu
23:55.26Discordianran on P3 hardware
23:55.51halifound a download actually
23:55.58halilooks like the most recent version is from 2006
23:56.43DiscordianOpensewer or unixware?
23:56.53haliuw
23:57.02DiscordianUW is good
23:57.11Discordianfairly standard SVR 3.2
23:57.19Discordians/3.2/4.2
23:57.57Discordianfmli menus etc
23:58.11halithey have open reqs
23:58.19halihiring two developers
23:58.31haliin india
23:58.33Discordianhaha
23:59.19Discordianunixware ran on sparcs - ICL used it for a while

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