IRC log for #gllug on 20080326

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05:56.52morsingrhowe_: Why are you ignoring me?
06:00.06morsingWhat's a molar?
06:02.41morsinghttp://pressthebuttons.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/rabbid.jpg
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07:42.50morsingshai!
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07:47.16secretlondonhi
07:52.22morsingsecretlondon!
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07:55.28morsingsecretlondon!
07:55.39secretlondonmorsing!
08:00.02Axelgood morning Caroline, good morning Henrik
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08:09.09morsingsecretlondon!
08:21.10secretlondostupid bug comment of the day (in my email box)
08:21.16secretlondo"So I was watching porno, and clicking on the pictures with the mouse.
08:21.16secretlondoI never touched the keyboard (I think), just the mouse.
08:21.16secretlondoThen suddenly the 'up' key got stuck, and it started to scroll up all the time."
08:22.35morsingsecretlondon!
08:22.42secretlondonmorsing!
08:35.53morsingHow can I get SQLplus to handle spaces in a file name?
08:42.16haliin a spooled file?
08:42.24morsingYes
08:42.27morsingI think
08:43.57haliit doesn't like spaces
08:44.13morsingShe figured that out :)
08:44.19halican't you rename after the sqlplus session?
08:45.14morsingMebbe, will ask the DBA
08:58.18halirpad('*',length(a),'*') can draw the bars
08:58.40haliyou probably need do some calculations too to normalize it to fit the screen
09:01.07haliwrong window!, obviously
09:04.02morsing?
09:04.12morsingI couldn't quite fit that in with my question...
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09:05.02morsingLeeds!
09:05.15Leedsyes
09:33.34sabinef72Leeds !
09:33.37sabinef72morsing !
09:33.46Leedsafternoon sabinef72 :-)
09:34.02sabinef72what's up in HK ?
09:34.16Leedsthe humidity
09:34.34Leedsmy rent?
09:35.01sabinef72all
09:35.05Leedshow about France?
09:35.23morsingsabinef72!
09:35.24morsingJulie!
09:37.08sabinef72well it's spring but it's very cold
09:37.12sabinef72and raining
09:38.07Leedslittle bit of rain here,  - but it was nice enough on Monday that I got sunburned going for a couple of hour walk
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09:56.32morsingflips_and_rails!
09:56.44flips_and_railsmorsing!
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10:10.06morsingElPenguin!
10:11.08secretlondonhi ElPenguin
10:12.17ElPenguinhi morsing, secretlondon
10:12.32ElPenguinI'm feeling awful, the onset of flu and i'm at work
10:12.39morsingBeer
10:12.56ElPenguinAre you a Doctor, perchance?
10:13.12morsingYes - and I tell you beer is the thing
10:13.25ElPenguinabsolutely
10:13.39ElPenguinfor the minute, berocca and pg tips
10:13.50morsingYuck, tea!
10:13.56morsingfeels sick again
10:15.38secretlondonbah the graphics in ktuberling are a bit pants
10:15.56secretlondonreckons she's actually have to DRAW something
10:16.46morsingInvestment?
10:17.40secretlondonI doubt my art skills will ever feed me
10:18.03morsingI thought you were buying up?
10:18.40morsingfeeds secretlondon mushrooms for comfort
10:20.22secretlondonhopes they aren't poisonous
10:20.42ElPenguinfeeds secretlondon homebrew whisky
10:20.50secretlondonthat's better
10:21.16secretlondonunless that's equally poisonous
10:21.45ElPenguinOi! I'm a good cook, and surely that means something for whisky?
10:24.17secretlondondepends how you've distilled it
10:24.32ElPenguinfreezing
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10:26.47morsingcurson!
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10:46.29morsingsecretlondon!
10:46.49secretlondolaptop running memtest to see if that's why it keeps freezing
10:47.06secretlondohowever desktop seems to have a non uk keyboard for some reason
10:47.40morsingGet a Mac
10:48.57secretlondo£
10:48.59secretlondoyay
10:49.03morsingGet a job
10:50.02secretlondoyou that bored, morsing?
10:52.47dick_turpinsnigger
10:52.48morsingmonster keeps freezing my Firefox
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10:53.03morsingsecretlondon!
10:54.35morsingsecretlondon!
10:54.45secretlondonmorsing!
11:00.52Axelhey
11:01.17Axelquick favour please if i may.. can someone ping ns.brightercomputing.net and tell me the result (incl. IP)! thanks in advance =D
11:02.21morsingPING ns.brightercomputing.net (212.12.121.43) 56(84) bytes of data.
11:02.21morsing--- ns.brightercomputing.net ping statistics ---
11:02.21morsing5 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 4003ms
11:02.43Axelthanks
11:03.06Axelthe bleeding thing is running.. why doesn't ping? grrrr
11:03.17morsingGet a proper colo
11:04.10Axelsuggestion? ;-)
11:04.36morsingExonetric
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11:04.51Axelhi stephanb2
11:04.56Axelhmm
11:05.02stephanb2hi
11:05.13morsingstephanb2!
11:05.16morsingAxel: Hmm?
11:05.19Axelhmmm
11:05.44Axelwell, i've got a good deal for hosting my boxes in german (right around the corner from where i am working atm)
11:06.11Axelwas looking at uk centres though for when i come back
11:06.49morsingExonetric
11:08.35Axelchecking*
11:09.37ChoHagI think Germany will be cheaper.
11:10.09morsingChoHag: That's not his reqauirements
11:10.09ChoHagOh.
11:10.15morsingHe asked for UK hosting and hasn't said cheap anywhere
11:10.22Axelprobably - but i prefer something that works reliably and cost effectively ;-)
11:10.23morsingAnd cheap = crappier
11:10.28Axelaye
11:10.52morsingAxel: I moved from Exonetric to Blue Linux which was half the price and deeply regret it
11:11.03Axeli will stay in germany as a second location and to serv german customers, but i still like a location closer to home
11:11.06morsingExonetric and Telehouse is superb
11:11.24morsingIf it's business srelated then £63/mth is peanuts
11:11.40Axelaye
11:11.56Axelwell, getting back into it after a few years of sidelining it
11:13.36Axelexo sounds good and quite cheap ... apart from the bandwidth charges
11:13.56morsingBlue Linux charge more for Bandwidth and have lower limits
11:15.39ChoHagHow does a conversation like this work: "Can I speak to X?" "No you have the wrong number" "What number did I dial?"
11:15.49ChoHagX isn't here. Bugger off and redial.
11:16.04morsing?
11:16.09morsingI'm hungry
11:16.17Axellol
11:16.18ChoHagNot that I ever answer that, and when I got her to give the number she dialled it was totally different.
11:16.53morsingYou've lost me again dear
11:17.01ChoHagThat's fine.
11:17.16morsingWhich part of that conversation is you?
11:27.13morsingBye...
11:27.24Axelahhh
11:27.29Axeli think i found my culprit
11:27.35Axelslaps his sysmonkey
11:27.51Axelgrrr... squid... proxy... ARGH!
11:28.02morsingBeer
11:28.05Axelis going to be back in a jiffy
11:29.13stephanb2lunch
11:29.21Axelenjoy
11:29.25stephanb2tnx
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13:00.34secretlondonmy hardware hates me
13:00.47secretlondonwent away, and desktop was back at gdm
13:01.20secretlondonlaptop run memtest for 2 hours with no probs too
13:02.18antiphaseWe had an Opteron blow up the other day that now gets reported as a Celeron by the BIOS in question
13:03.17secretlondonI saw the screenshot
13:03.23secretlondon0 Mhz celeron
13:04.30morsingsecretlondon!
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13:11.52Leedsokay... either my x server or my window manager just crashed on me
13:12.24secretlondonI had similar earlier - went to the toilet and came back to gdm
13:17.21Leedsand... it was the X server
13:19.25Leedsit is a little old - a couple of years
13:20.28morsingLeeds!
13:20.36morsingkisses Leeds' nose
13:27.39wethrindeclares Thursday's pub to be the Edgar Wallace, Temple
13:27.51morsingAm I invited?
13:27.54wethrinSure
13:28.00wethrinJust about to send the mail out
13:28.07morsingCool
13:30.56wethrinSent
14:03.24secretlondonelectrician turned up, only had one light (was supposed to fit two) so gone away again
14:05.41bilarhbilarh in da house
14:06.24morsingbilarh!
14:06.29bilarh./acco
14:06.38bilarhdamn back sacpe ca  
14:06.40bilarhbrb
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14:08.16bilarhweird, backspace doesn't work for me in screen anymore
14:08.53morsingBeer will sort it
14:09.29Leedsstty something
14:10.16morsingLeeds: nah, it's screen being weird
14:11.11bilarhleeds: tried that but it wouldn't do anything... not even ctrl-v backspace did anything
14:11.56bilarhi need to change banks
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14:15.15bilarhevery time i go abroad they block my bloody card
14:15.31bilarhthis time, i managed to buy two metro tickets at 2.80USD and a pair of jeans at 40
14:15.42bilarhand then it was "computer says no"-time
14:18.03Leedsbilarh: your bank is messing up your backspace?
14:18.22bilarhno my card :(
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14:18.52morsingxteddy!
14:20.38Leedsmy bank seems quite happy with the idea that I've emigrated, leaving only my parents' address behind
14:20.58secretlondonyou still have a gdp account though, doesn't that cost you loads?
14:21.08Leedsgdp?
14:21.17Leedsgross domestic product? :-)
14:21.33secretlondongbp
14:21.40Leedsjust got a regular current account, it's in credit, no fees
14:21.49secretlondonputs the kettle on for more tea
14:21.52bilarhapparently, my transactions are "suspect"
14:22.08secretlondonmust the all the net porn
14:22.29secretlondonLeeds, but in a different currency from the one you get piad in?
14:22.31bilarhpossibly, but i don't understand because i usually use the joint account card for stuff like that :(
14:23.09Leedsoh, no, I've got a HKD current account - and a GBP savings account, convenient for fee-free exchanges - here
14:23.18Leedsthe UK account is used for my UK expenses
14:24.29LeedsI can move cash between my GBP and HKD accounts here at pretty much market rate, I can withdraw and deposit GBP cash at my bank with no fees, etc.
14:24.36secretlondonokay cool
14:24.45Leedsit's pretty good, actually
14:25.24LeedsI opened the GBP account when I wanted to transfer a bunch of cash from the UK - turned out the cheapest and easiest way was to bring a wad of notes with me on the plane and deposit them directly here
14:25.35secretlondonyeah, my bank charged a set fee for currency transactions last time I looked, which meant that I was using paypal for small amounts as that only charges a %
14:26.48Leedsmy bank also charges £1 per non-UK transaction on my debit card
14:27.35Leedsthat's LloydsTSB
14:29.12secretlondoni've forgotten what it was, but it certainly seemed cheaper to keep a small usd balance in paypal last time I needed to
14:30.15secretlondonnotes that memtest still has no errors
14:30.57Leedsit's pretty common in HK for people to publish their account numbers for direct payment - for events, or even for companies taking bookings
14:31.22Leedsstill shocks me a bit...
14:31.52secretlondonall the job sites I've signed up have warnings "Don't submit your bank details to an agency over the net"
14:32.00secretlondonpresumably there have been some issues
14:32.37Leedsit does seem that publishing your account number online should be an obvious security risk
14:35.25bilarhdidn't jeremy clarkson do just that and then someone signed him up to donate 500 quid a month to greenpeace or something? :)
14:36.24secretlondonyeah and that totally served him right
14:39.07bilarhyep
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14:39.14morsingboudicca!
14:57.07morsingboudiccas!
15:03.36secretlondonwikimedia commons has at least two photos of nose picking
15:03.45secretlondonis looking for eyes and noses
15:05.55Leedsis looking for en.wikipedia.org to respond
15:07.34Leedssecretlondon: can you kick it for me? :-)
15:08.02secretlondoni don't have the permissions, and anyway I'm doing more free software stuff these days
15:09.21Leedswell you're no bloody use then...
15:10.29secretlondonagrees
15:10.29boudiccasmorsing!
15:15.45Leedssecretlondon: thanks, it's alive again
15:16.07secretlondonelectrician here
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15:25.08morsingboudiccas!
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15:32.53morsingblight!
15:39.27morsingHow do I do DIV in Excel?
15:40.12antiphase/
15:40.20antiphaseWhat does DIV do?
15:41.01secretlondonhe means div like mod I think
15:41.03morsingINT /
15:41.06secretlondonnot .
15:41.18morsingYeah, integer rounded down
15:42.02antiphasetruncation then, or floor
15:42.10morsingThere's a ROUNDDOWN
15:42.19morsingAhh... Floor
15:42.36morsingThanks
15:43.02secretlondonhmm. electrician hasn't turned off any of the power and has just fitted new light
15:43.26morsingErmm... No, FLOOR is not DIV. Not what I'm after
15:43.50antiphaseIt will do the rounding for you, you still have to divide :P
15:44.15antiphase\ is sometimes integer division
15:44.24morsingRight, pretty dumb
15:44.29secretlondonback slash, weird
15:44.51morsingMy function now is
15:44.55morsing=FLOOR(C17,42)/42
15:45.36antiphaseGoogle says trunc(C17/42)
15:45.49antiphaseOr whatever you meant written out right
15:45.52antiphasespazzes
15:45.55morsingCool, thanks. Worked
15:46.58secretlondonevince is a pile of wank and won't print
15:47.16secretlondonprinter will print test page
15:47.53antiphasepdf2ps | lpr
15:47.57antiphaselols
15:52.26secretlondontries acroread
15:52.42secretlondon22Meg wtf
15:52.51secretlondon23 meg even
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15:57.00secretlondonboudiccas, leccy?
15:57.11secretlondonbugs reports the claim that firefox 3 is lightweight
15:57.41boudiccassecretlondon; yes, only the fourth today
15:57.48secretlondonffs
15:57.49Leedslight*er*weight?
15:58.02secretlondonthan what, though?
15:58.27LeedsFF2?
15:58.33secretlondonfirefox 3 - "lightweight web browser based on Mozilla"
15:58.37secretlondonits much heavier than ff2
15:58.44secretlondonff2 has the same tagline
15:59.07LeedsB4?
15:59.28secretlondontis lies
16:01.17LeedsO RLY?
16:07.34secretlondontwo nice new shiny kitchen lights
16:07.46secretlondonpoints out she doesn't know what B4 is
16:08.03secretlondonall I know is that FF3 has a *very* lardy arse
16:09.04Leedsbeta4, the latest 'release'
16:09.23secretlondonah  beta 4 is the thing i'm refrring to
16:09.36secretlondonas that what ubuntu has as ff3
16:11.28Leedsshouldn't be bigger than FF2
16:11.36Leedswhat metric are you using?
16:12.31secretlondonusing them both on my 1200 mhz laptop
16:12.50Leedsso are you saying it's bigger or slower?
16:12.54secretlondonslower
16:13.01Leedsah
16:13.26Leedsthen it's worth reporting, yes
16:13.27antiphaseModern Linux + 1200MHz is a recipe for fail, I'm sad to suspect
16:13.34secretlondonnah it's fine
16:13.50secretlondonruns gnome okay, don't need to use xfce
16:14.59secretlondonelectrician has had van clamped
16:15.17Leedsyay
16:15.18secretlondonhe's trying to find a mate with a sngle grinder..
16:15.23secretlondonangle
16:15.52Leedsit's quite nice to see blokes on the MTR (tube) here with PCCW (telco) uniforms on, carrying toolboxes...
16:17.48secretlondonyeah
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16:24.52secretlondonhe's rung round all his mates to see who's nearest to cut the clamp off
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16:26.13secretlondonhi etorix
16:26.31etorixsup
16:27.07secretlondongot new kitchen lights, electrician been clamped
16:28.35etorixha ha
16:28.54secretlondonhe's been ringing round his mates to find an angle grinder
16:29.18etorixyeah, they work
16:29.26etorixwell, they did
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17:30.28secretlondonwheel clamps in the US are apparently called Denver Boots..
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21:32.20secretlondonnight
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21:49.45morsingIAmAI!
21:56.39IAmAIHello
21:56.57IAmAImorsing: Is there social tomorrow night
21:56.59IAmAI?
21:59.31morsingNo
21:59.35morsingOh wait
21:59.36morsingYes
21:59.39morsingDan's thing
21:59.39IAmAILOL
21:59.43morsing?
21:59.56IAmAIDan's thing?
22:02.04IAmAIYou going?
22:18.13morsingNo, too far away
22:21.14IAmAIWhere is it then?
22:24.23morsingNot sure... Read the email?
22:27.17IAmAII should do really =D
22:28.06IAmAIDid I ask you if you had a good Easter?
22:30.12morsingI don't believe so :)
22:33.37IAmAISo...
22:33.58morsingYes, I had a very nice Easter, tank-you :_)  You?
22:34.02morsing:-)
22:34.09morsingThank-you - argg
22:38.32IAmAILOL
22:38.45IAmAII had a nice Easter, too thanks.
22:38.50IAmAITook my parents out.
22:39.07morsingWith a riffle?
22:39.28IAmAINope.
22:40.16morsing:)
22:40.22morsingSorry...
22:41.10IAmAILOL
22:41.22IAmAII took them to a restaurant.
22:41.35IAmAITo celebrate my new job
22:42.39morsingCoo! What job is that?
22:43.11IAmAIQA Engineer.
22:46.35morsingCool
22:46.41morsingBoing?
22:46.48IAmAIBoin?
22:46.51IAmAI+g
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