IRC log for #gllug on 20080327

00:27.50*** mode/#gllug [+o wethrin] by ChanServ
00:29.59*** topic/#gllug by wethrin -> Greater London LUG - Social meeting today, 5.30pm, Edgar Wallace | http://www.gllug.org.uk | http://planet.gllug.org.uk
06:36.46morsing'morning
07:14.00ranner81morning
07:39.54morsingranner81!
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07:42.15ranner81morsing!
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07:48.08Axeloopsi
07:48.09Axel:-)
07:48.12Axelmorning
07:48.20AxelHenrik!
07:49.08morsingAxel!
07:49.20morsingetorix!
07:49.34Axel:-)
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08:21.09morsingblight!
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08:28.59morsingcurson!
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09:14.10morsinghuw-l!
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09:15.42morsingArmand!
09:15.52Armandmorsing! :)
09:16.42ArmandGood morning.
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10:02.45morsingLeedsHK!
10:02.57LeedsHKmorsing! just the sort of gent I wanted to talk to...
10:02.59ArmandLeeds. :)
10:03.09morsingmeh
10:03.11LeedsHKdon't suppose you - or anyone else - has convenient access to a fax machine?
10:03.19ArmandFax ?_? !!
10:03.28LeedsHKArmand, DVLA :-(
10:03.29morsingA what?!
10:03.43ArmandWhy not chisel some stone tablets, and put them on a horse. :P
10:04.00morsingArmand: I think this is what he means:
10:04.01Armand* ?
10:04.03morsinghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fax
10:04.11ArmandI know what a fax machine is. :P
10:04.16morsingAhh
10:04.18morsingdidn't
10:04.24morsingI'm not *that* old (yet)
10:04.28ArmandI am somewhat older than most people think.. >_<
10:04.32morsinghmm
10:04.35LeedsHKI'm sitting in an office which has a fax machine - but it has no ink, so it can't receive faxes, and it doesn't have outgoing international dialing, which is an issue when sending from HK to UK
10:04.45ArmandO_O
10:04.45morsing'k
10:05.02ArmandSo, you want to e-mail something, and have someone fax it for you?
10:05.18LeedsHKArmand, ideally, yes - or some other form of file transfer
10:05.27ArmandShame really..
10:05.30LeedsHKdcc, whatever
10:05.32morsingThese "faxes" look neat
10:05.35Armandlol
10:05.47morsingDo they work over fibre?
10:05.52ArmandHAHAHAHAHA
10:06.09morsingLeedsHK: Ok, ok, so what do you want me to do?
10:06.16LeedsHKam I taking that nobody here and awake has a fax machine to hand?
10:06.26morsingI might have
10:06.37morsingDon't know, need to investigate but surely we have one
10:06.38Armandcan't help..
10:06.43morsingSomewhere
10:07.01Armandgoes to play CS:S
10:07.03LeedsHKif you are in some sort of office-like environment, you almost certainly do, although it may be largely gathering dust
10:07.09morsingOk
10:07.29morsingspots something that does have certain similarities to a fax
10:08.07LeedsHKso if I sent you an abiword file (pdf, postscript, whatever) could you fax it for me?
10:08.19morsingpdf please. I assume so
10:08.29morsingYou don't have hylafax?
10:09.05LeedsHKnot conveniently to hand, setup etc.
10:09.10morsingOk
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10:09.19morsingElPenguin!
10:09.34LeedsHKI don't have a landline at home, and the one - at least the one with the fax machine on it - here can't dial international
10:09.36ElPenguinmorning
10:09.41morsingOk
10:09.50morsingHave you sent it to me yet?
10:09.52LeedsHKemail?
10:10.00morsingyeah, that'll work
10:11.15LeedsHKsent
10:11.32morsingI've got greylisting, will take 10 minutes
10:11.40LeedsHKI'm not on your whitelist???
10:11.43morsingOh... No.
10:11.50morsingYou must have emailed me recently!?
10:11.54morsingGot it
10:13.57LeedsHKif you make it for breakfast, I owe you an orange juice or something...
10:14.16LeedsHKmorsing, I've got to go now - I can't lock up here and everyone is leaving
10:14.20morsingI've had two breakfasts already, not having a third!
10:14.44LeedsHKI mean when I'm in London
10:14.54LeedsHKif you could email me once it's faxed, I would very much appreciate it
10:15.01morsing'k
10:15.06morsingAhhh...
10:15.11LeedsHK?
10:15.40LeedsHKgone - thanks
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10:17.35morsingjcookeman!
10:18.22jcookemanmorsing!
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10:27.29morsingsecretlondon!
10:28.00secretlondonmorsing
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11:10.27morsingsecretlondon!
11:11.13secretlondonmorsing,
11:12.12morsingPizza?
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11:43.43morsingChoHag!
11:43.59ChoHagYes indeed.
12:08.23antiphaseHurrah, crapteddy has died \o/
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12:11.05cpufreakmorsing
12:11.07cpufreakstop abusing power
12:11.13morsingI'm not
12:11.19cpufreakyes you are.
12:11.23morsingAnd I hope he doesn't return
12:11.32secretlondonwho xteddy?
12:11.38cpufreakxteddy is a stupid bot.
12:11.40morsingcpufreak: I don't think you realise how many complaints I get about him and you as wwell
12:11.41cpufreakwhich is highly annoying.
12:11.48cpufreakmorsing: who from?
12:11.57morsingPeople on this channel
12:12.00morsingPMing me
12:12.03morsingMoaning
12:12.08cpufreakmoaning about what?
12:12.14morsingYour behavior
12:12.24cpufreakin what way?
12:12.26cpufreakall I do is communicate
12:12.29morsingwethrin knows as well but won't do anything
12:12.31cpufreakand make helpful suggestions
12:12.37morsingYou communicate very badly
12:12.41morsingHelpful?!?!?
12:12.47cpufreakmy grasp of the english language is quite good I thought.
12:12.53morsingI'm not going to continue this discussion
12:12.59cpufreakand people generally refer to me as a good communicator.
12:13.03cpufreakI am helpful.
12:13.09morsingYour grasp of being helpful is not. End of discuccion
12:13.11morsingss
12:14.51cpufreaklooking throug my logs, I helped hali a while back with improving performance with his netapps over NFS
12:15.01cpufreakand someone else with solaris lacp stuff
12:15.35jcookemanI'm actually interested in NFS performance improvement with Netapp myself
12:16.21cpufreak1 sec
12:17.52Discordianreads the scrolllback
12:19.45cpufreakhttp://nurburgr.ing.me.uk/stuff/netcrap.txt
12:19.48cpufreakif thats helpful
12:19.49cpufreakmight not be
12:20.45jcookemanok cheers
12:20.59cpufreakah and I helped morsing with some nagios plugin stuff once
12:22.29cpufreaksome more lacp help
12:22.57cpufreakand helped someone else avoid using OCFS2
12:23.05cpufreakso yes, all in all I tink I'm mostly helpful :)
12:24.14morsingcpufreak: Keep up the good work :)  but try not to offend people (you're not as bad as antiphase)
12:25.27cpufreakhaha
12:25.44cpufreakI might not always sugar coat my words, but its IRC ffs.
12:26.15morsingDoesn't change the fact that people moan about rude and arrogant behaviour
12:26.29morsingsugar coats cpufreak
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12:26.45morsingantiphase!
12:27.58antiphaseGoedemiddag
12:30.49wethrinDon't drag me into arguments.
12:31.16wethrinI just have xteddy on ignore
12:31.23cpufreakgood plan
12:34.43dick_turpinOnly problem there is with all the ignore's you only end up talking to about there people
12:35.09cpufreakit makes for interesting conversation certainly.
12:38.03dick_turpinI find the best 'ignore' is to move the fingers away from the keyboard
12:46.36ChoHagIs "Kingston" sufficient to find a Boots in Kingston?
12:46.41ChoHagNo. I need the post code.
13:14.57cpufreakwishes there was a GBK here.
13:15.07jcookemancpufreak: second that
13:27.42dick_turpincpufreak: GBK?
13:31.15jcookemanGourmet Burger Kitchen
13:33.19Leedsmorsing: cheers mate, owe you a favour
13:34.22morsing:)
13:34.30morsingDid she respond?
13:34.57dick_turpinkin ell all you ever hear is food food food
13:35.59morsingFood is supposedly good for you
13:36.11morsingEven though they're tryinig to tell you the opposite
13:36.14dick_turpinits highly over rated
13:36.31morsingNo need for it, really
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13:44.38morsingmikejw!
13:44.45mikejwhey morsing :)
13:44.50morsingmikejw: food
13:45.04mikejwthat if weird!
13:45.07mikejw*is
13:45.13mikejwI was just about to ask you what was cooking
13:45.19mikejwno bs
13:45.47mikejwi guess I must be hungry :P
13:47.36morsing:)
13:54.34wethrinhi mikejw
13:54.45wethrinYou pubbing tonight?
13:58.36mikejwyo wethrin
13:58.42mikejwI totally would be
13:59.01mikejw..
13:59.43morsingbut...?
14:00.24mikejwbut I'm got a kind of date
14:00.30mikejw*I've
14:01.07morsingSomeone we know?
14:01.34mikejwhmm I don't think so
14:02.30morsingLouise?
14:02.39mikejwLaura
14:03.11morsingClose enough
14:03.21morsingWe approve, don't we wethrin?
14:03.33morsingUnless it's the Laura I know, of course
14:08.40mikejwthis Laura's pretty fly
14:09.27ElPenguinpilot
14:09.38morsingBalloonist?
14:10.08ElPenguinWright brother?
14:10.16ElPenguin<PROTECTED>
14:10.58ElPenguinand/or self-levitating superwoman
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14:13.05mikejwprimary school teacher / alt-rock musician :P
14:13.50morsinglondo_!
14:13.53ElPenguinda vinci reincarnate
14:14.04morsingmikejw: Is she the dude from "School of Rock"?
14:14.14mikejwlol
14:14.21ElPenguinis she Elliott Smith?
14:14.26mikejw?
14:14.52ElPenguinthe practical definition of alternative singer-songwriter
14:15.29mikejwno I just didn't know that Elliott Smith had been a teacher
14:15.41ElPenguinhe hadn't
14:15.50ElPenguinexcept a musical teacher
14:15.54ElPenguinhe used to teach his friends
14:16.05ElPenguinsaw a documentary on youtube
14:16.40mikejwaccording to Wikipedia his mother might have been a school music teacher though :)
14:16.48ElPenguinaha
14:17.05mikejwI love his music :)
14:17.18ElPenguinES = God
14:18.01mikejwyo
14:18.21mikejwwell I might not go that far
14:18.35mikejwElPenguin: do you like Heatmiser?
14:18.42ElPenguinnot familiar with
14:18.50ElPenguinlast.fm's it
14:19.10mikejwit's like his old band
14:19.28mikejw:)
14:19.48ElPenguin:)
14:23.44ElPenguinhrm, heatmiser are ok
14:25.43ElPenguin<3 downforeveryoneorjustme.com
14:30.54Armand¬_¬
14:31.47mikejwwow this ES documentary looks sweet!
14:48.19blightAny Excel/Spreadsheet gurus about?
14:48.21blight:-)
14:57.23antiphaseThere might be, although they won't know if they can help if you don't ask what you want ;)
15:05.23mikejwhas discovered the sl command
15:05.48morsingls?
15:05.53morsingNever heard of it
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15:13.19Facundohi all
15:13.36wethrinmikejw: In Debian, where it makes a steam locomotive appear?
15:14.52boudiccasblight; define 'guru' please?
15:15.54morsingFacundo!
15:16.33morsingblight: murb is
15:18.14mikejwwethrin: indeed :)
15:19.07mikejwI thought someone had hax0r3d my shared host :P
15:24.58morsingibot murb
15:24.59ibotextra, extra, read all about it, murb is bored, or not shiny, or faster than google
15:25.35blightboudiccas: it's cool - consulted the Oracle - Google
15:28.06jcookemanblight: cheap
15:28.52blightjcookeman: if only - my bank manager would be a happier man
15:32.36boudiccasblight; define guru please in relation to excel spreadsheets
15:33.03jcookemanboudiccas: anyone who understands the concept of cut/paste
15:33.10blightboudiccas: can multiply selected cells by some constant
15:33.20boudiccasor in other words, elaborate on what you want said 'cool guru' to do with spreadsheets
15:34.11jcookemanany self-respecting Office guru would never lower themselves to monitoring IRC -- let alone #GLLUG
15:39.08cpufreakwethrin: apt-get install sl
15:39.30wethrincpufreak: I ain't got Debian in these'ere parts
15:39.34cpufreakoh :(
15:39.51wethrinis an OpenBSD hippy
15:40.24cpufreakportinstall then
15:40.25ElPenguinhippie indeed
15:40.26cpufreakor whatever
15:40.34wethrinpkg_add
15:40.54ElPenguin`port to_linux`
15:41.16ElPenguinmuch as I love bsd, not for a desktop
15:41.23wethrinI'm not using it on a desktop :)
15:41.25mikejwdoes OepenBSD have window managers?
15:41.27wethrinYes
15:41.36mikejwgood
15:41.38ElPenguinit IS POSIX compliant you know
15:41.39wethrinIt'll even provide you with KDE or Gnome, if you're that way inclined
15:41.52wethrinI've used FreeBSD quite happily on a desktop before
15:41.53mikejwcoolio
15:41.54ElPenguinso, y'know, POSIX apps will compile on it
15:42.02cpufreakhmm
15:42.11cpufreakinstalling systems in china, from .nl through ilom is tiresome
15:42.39wethrinCan't do a simple kickstart?
15:43.00cpufreakubuntu autoinstall
15:43.11ElPenguineww eww and eww
15:43.20cpufreakbut this box has a really old ilom, and I don't dare upgrade the ilom until it has an OS
15:43.22wethrinUMBONGO!
15:44.35cpufreakdrink it in the congo
15:44.59wethrinUse it on OLPC in the congo!
15:45.07ElPenguinliven up your packed lunch
15:49.12wethrinAlmost time to head off to the pub. Yay!
15:50.14ElPenguini have hours left yet
15:51.12mikejwwhere is the Edgar Wallace roughly?
15:51.25ElPenguinstrand
15:51.31mikejwk
15:51.48ElPenguinslightly rougher = temple tube station
15:52.08ElPenguinwhat time do these socials usually happen until?
15:52.12mikejwno I wouldn't want to sleep there
15:52.23ElPenguini don't get off work until 6.30 :/
15:52.34ElPenguinthen it will be ~40m to get there
15:52.44ElPenguinneeds a new job
15:54.03wethrinElPenguin: Until about 10pm, probably
15:54.20wethrinI suspect we'll have food at the pub
15:54.20ElPenguinplenty of time methinks
15:54.25wethrinAye
15:54.31ElPenguinwho will be attending?
15:54.34wethrinMe!
15:54.45wethrinmikejw, Frank Scott
15:55.13ElPenguinnice
15:55.23wethrinsecretlondon should be there too
15:55.31ElPenguinThe Perlmongers chose the edgar wallace for their last social, fwiw
15:56.17ElPenguinso the beer must be good
15:56.45mikejwwethrin: what about him?
15:56.51mikejw:S
15:57.16ElPenguinhow many people are expected? did you book out a room?
15:57.53wethrinmikejw: He'll be in attendance?
15:58.20wethrinProbably about half a dozen or so. Didn't book a room
15:58.48ElPenguinhrm, so how do i identify you all?
15:58.51wethrinI chose it because the London.pm Janbuary socail was there, and I liked it
15:58.54ElPenguinsince the only one i've met is secretlondon
15:58.56wethrinSpot the geeks :)
15:59.05wethrinShe may be there by that time.
15:59.09ElPenguinsome geeks don't look like geek though
15:59.21wethrinI have very short hair, and am wearing an OpenWengo t-shirt
15:59.40ElPenguinso it's the geek t-shirt. got it
15:59.40wethrinFrank is fairly old, not large, has a bit of a beard, and normally wears Debian tshirts
16:08.02wethrinPubtime!
16:08.53ElPenguincatch you in a few hours
16:14.04mikejwhave fun guys :)
16:19.26morsingBeer
16:28.24ElPenguinmorsing: going to the social?
16:28.32morsingErrmmm... No
16:28.35morsing:)
16:28.37ElPenguin:/
16:28.49morsingHave to go to work tomorrow
16:28.55ElPenguinso do i...
16:28.59ElPenguinunless you're not in the area?
16:29.04morsingI'm not
16:29.13ElPenguinhow far away?
16:29.23morsing210 miles
16:29.39ElPenguinbloody hell
16:29.40ElPenguinwhere's that?
16:30.02boudiccasmanchetser
16:30.06boudiccasmanchester
16:30.07ElPenguinaha
16:30.12morsingIndeed
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16:49.49highburyYippee! Knoppix 5.3.1 is out! http://torrent.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/
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16:55.18morsinghighbury!
16:55.20morsingAxel!
16:56.14etorixdvd-only, 2 flavors
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17:10.36DiscordianGood evening
17:26.16highburysomebody was asking me about booting off .iso image files at the last meeting, can't remember name, now I can try and prove its possible
17:27.09ElPenguinI would say one of hpa's creations would permit it
17:28.07highburyhpa?
17:28.07halibooting of iso files is fine right?
17:28.12ElPenguinH. Peter Anvin
17:28.19halii do it all the time
17:28.25ElPenguin(creator of isolinux, syslinux etc.)
17:28.39halieither via virtual media or pxelinux
17:28.42highbury.iso burnt onto cd, but I'm talking about raw file
17:28.55haliyes
17:29.03highburyonly Knoppix seems to support that
17:29.05etorixfromiso bootcheat
17:29.27etorix"fromiso" is http://manual.sidux.com/de/hd-install-opts-de.htm#fromiso (de) or http://manual.sidux.com/en/hd-install-opts-en.htm#fromiso (en)
17:29.43etorixtoram is nice too
17:31.20highburyyep, looks familiar to Knoppix method
17:31.58etorixwe just grew a progressbar for toram, in our next preview
17:32.16highburyof course what would be nice - would be to be able to have grub natively support booting any .iso file
17:32.23ElPenguinuse syslinux
17:32.36ElPenguinforesight now offers it as an install option
17:32.46etorixklaus used to sit in our chan, but not since his wife got worse
17:34.53etorixactually, when he first joined, i kicked him for impersonating  knopper
17:34.56etorixha ha
17:35.00ElPenguin:o
17:35.54highburyElPenguin: are you saying syslinux will allow me to boot a .iso file from my hard-drive?
17:36.04ElPenguini'm suggesting you at least look into it
17:36.07etorixyes, it should
17:36.42highburyhas looked at this a long time ago, and didn't have any success
17:37.02etorixso will virtualbox, but thats different
17:41.12etorixsidux can boot fromiso
17:41.21highbury<quote> Booting from an ISO image? Short answer: Not possible.</quote>
17:41.39highburyfrom http://syslinux.zytor.com/wiki/index.php/HowTos
17:41.42etorixtho i dont do it myself like
17:42.07etorix<PROTECTED>
17:42.20etorixdo dao or die
17:42.44etorixhang on, not for fromiso
17:42.47etorixha ha
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17:44.56etorixits about 400mb ish
17:45.12morsingAnyone here a member of Michael Winner's fan club?
17:45.30etorixno, imet him once, on a set
17:45.41etorixhes a bit of a cunt like
17:47.21morsingCool :)
17:47.27morsingyou didn't join then?
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19:35.03morsingaguai!
19:36.10aguaimorsing!
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20:31.38morsingboudiccas!
20:52.25cpufreakhey
20:52.34cpufreakanyone using the event mpm in httpd 2.2?
21:12.01DiscordianTis very quiet
21:13.34z00daxssssh
21:14.47DiscordianAhh there's a social tonight
21:15.11cpufreakhmm
21:15.18cpufreakno one used apache's event mpm then?
21:15.20cpufreakgah
21:15.53DiscordianNot me, I've used 2.2 but not mpm events
21:16.02morsingAlmost no battery left
21:16.35morsingFUCKKING LAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
21:17.32DiscordianLabguage
21:17.35Discordianlanguage
21:17.46NafalloEnglish
21:17.54Nafallooh. that wasn't a question.
21:18.40DiscordianAnd stop shouting please
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21:45.14morsinghali!
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22:18.36Nafallohmm
22:23.27Discordianaye
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23:40.26Discordianre
23:41.54secretlondonhi
23:42.13DiscordianGood social?
23:45.12secretlondonokay
23:45.19secretlondononly 5
23:48.20DiscordianI didn't even see the topic till about 8 tonight
23:50.58secretlondonIt was on the social list for a few days
23:51.31DiscordianYeah I don't read the lists
23:51.56DiscordianI know I should susbcribe
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23:59.17Discordianwb
23:59.27secretlondoty
23:59.29secretlondolaptop froze
23:59.55DiscordianI must download F9 beta I think

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