| 00:41.38 | secretlondon | night |
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| 09:45.45 | hali | morning |
| 09:46.12 | Nafallo | hali: morning... I think. |
| 09:46.24 | Nafallo | just got back from Telehouse. |
| 09:46.49 | wethrin | On a Sunday. Poor fellow |
| 09:47.05 | Nafallo | well. it was Saturday when we started :-) |
| 09:47.26 | wethrin | Boh. Even worse |
| 09:48.23 | Nafallo | ripped a core rack apart and put in a new one. moving the core with a second router, a switch and some over-the-floor Cat6 to outside another rack. |
| 09:48.46 | Nafallo | temporarily until the new rack was seated that is. |
| 09:50.14 | hali | they are quite strict about under-the-floor cabeling now though :) |
| 09:50.21 | hali | we got told of for "reducing air flow" |
| 09:51.15 | Nafallo | Telehouse? |
| 09:51.21 | Nafallo | I can't imagine. |
| 09:51.46 | Nafallo | just follow the rules and it's fine. |
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| 12:02.46 | Leeds | is in the money! |
| 12:03.13 | Leeds | would appear that I finally got all my back rent paid :-D |
| 12:04.09 | Leeds | I should say that it was unpaid for tax reasons, nothing to do with either my agent or tenant |
| 12:09.26 | wethrin | yay! |
| 12:10.06 | Leeds | just logged into my online banking to find that I have had about 1.5 months rent paid, and the mortgage gone out, dated tomorrow - and that I have lots of cash after that's happened :-) |
| 12:10.30 | Leeds | I will probably bring some of it back with me to HK |
| 12:11.18 | Leeds | in cash! |
| 12:11.40 | Leeds | seriously, it's the easiest way to get money to and from HK - wads of GBP notes.. |
| 12:18.02 | wethrin | Not using a cash machine? |
| 12:19.24 | Leeds | nope |
| 12:19.58 | Leeds | I have a HKD current account and a GBP savings account here... I can transfer between them, during working hours, at something pretty close to market rates |
| 12:20.37 | Leeds | I can deposit and withdraw GBP cash to/from my savings account over-the-counter, up to GBP1000 per day with no fees |
| 12:22.12 | Leeds | *commercial* market rates, that is, not retail |
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| 12:51.49 | secretlondon | hi |
| 13:01.30 | Leeds | ho |
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| 16:13.48 | secretlondon | omg we have 54 google summer of code applications (so far) |
| 16:14.36 | antiphase | Dear X, I want stuff to put on my CV with Google in it. Do I have to be able to write "codes"? Ta. |
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| 19:39.02 | hali | the silence! |
| 19:40.55 | Nafallo | hysch. enjoy ;-) |
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| 20:09.51 | Discordian | Good evening |
| 20:11.00 | jpatrick | good evning Discordian |
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| 20:20.59 | cpufreak | hmm |
| 20:21.23 | cpufreak | how well does linux do LACP? |
| 20:22.24 | hali | not well |
| 20:22.45 | hali | or at least the last time i tried it i got some funky flipp flopps back and forth in the switch |
| 20:23.10 | hali | could have been the switches but neither solaris nor windows have any problems |
| 20:23.39 | hali | i think i tried it in centos 5 |
| 20:25.44 | hali | someone said mode 6 (alb) works better if the switches support it |
| 20:25.56 | cpufreak | hmm |
| 20:26.07 | cpufreak | I just want to bond like 8 gig interfaces |
| 20:26.22 | cpufreak | as I've 40TB to move about |
| 20:26.28 | cpufreak | thinks |
| 20:26.34 | hali | try it? |
| 20:26.39 | hali | if it fails it fails :) |
| 20:26.42 | hali | if not, great |
| 20:27.05 | hali | spanning tree spasses out for me so had to be disabled, which sort of makes sense |
| 20:27.43 | cpufreak | err |
| 20:27.49 | cpufreak | disabling spanning tree is not a good idea |
| 20:27.57 | hali | on those ports |
| 20:28.00 | cpufreak | has 20+ switches here.. |
| 20:28.03 | cpufreak | :) |
| 20:28.09 | hali | i mean just on those ports |
| 20:28.12 | hali | not on the switch |
| 20:28.15 | cpufreak | oh, disabling portfast, sure |
| 20:28.22 | hali | i can't remember if portfast was enough |
| 21:40.47 | hali | z00dax: you awake? |
| 21:46.27 | z00dax | hali: hi |
| 21:46.42 | hali | z00dax: re 32-bit apps in a 64-bit kernel |
| 21:47.10 | hali | z00dax: do you know what the reason behind the 32-bit process using more memory on a 64-bit kernel than a 32-bit kernel is? |
| 21:47.22 | hali | i.e. if i kick up a 32-bit jvm in 64-bit linux it uses way more memory with the same parameters |
| 21:47.32 | hali | i think we talked about this before once, hence me bugging you about it now :) |
| 21:49.07 | z00dax | some of the stuff will still go via kernel space, malloc etc - so you'd expect it to return larger block of real memory |
| 21:49.17 | z00dax | also, is it possible that the jvm and all its deps are 3bit ? |
| 21:49.27 | hali | yes, all is 32-bit |
| 21:49.44 | hali | it's some oracle crud im toying with and they ship their own jvm, even 64-bit oracle comes with a 32-bit jvm |
| 21:50.00 | z00dax | donno then |
| 21:52.00 | hali | i'll throw strace at it |
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| 22:06.21 | hali | z00dax: another annoying question then, is there any where to tell yum to always include -devel when installing something? |
| 22:08.49 | z00dax | why would you want to do that ? |
| 22:09.15 | hali | so i can compile random stuff |
| 22:09.21 | z00dax | although, you should be able to either patch yum itself to all -devel's for each package it gets from the command line, or write a small script to wrap around yum and add -devel's |
| 22:18.15 | Marios_ | is there a pattern we should use for using threadpool ? I am currently using the one here: http://weblogs.sqlteam.com/randyp/archive/2007/03/19/60138.aspx |
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| 22:22.35 | AndyMillar | i suppose this would be the place to find people in london :-) |
| 22:23.19 | hali | could be |
| 22:25.24 | AndyMillar | i'm just hunting to find people for a pgp keysigning pub visit :) |
| 22:25.35 | Marios_ | sorry wrong channel |
| 22:25.37 | AndyMillar | which is clearly sad :( |
| 22:25.46 | hali | hm, pgp keysigning at the pub? |
| 22:26.04 | AndyMillar | hali: combines social activity with something that has purpose :) |
| 22:26.12 | hali | after 5 pints, i'll let you sign my belly |
| 22:26.14 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 22:27.18 | AndyMillar | well, i also figured that lug people would have pgp keys :) |
| 22:27.46 | hali | well yes |
| 22:27.58 | AndyMillar | and google (knowledge of all) claims that there hasn't been one in london |
| 22:28.13 | z00dax | whats that ? |
| 22:28.38 | hali | im not sure either what the purpose of the thing is? except drinking ale! |
| 22:28.48 | AndyMillar | web of trust! :p |
| 22:29.06 | antiphase | I just use my passport |
| 22:29.27 | antiphase | <insert privacy flame war> |
| 22:30.44 | z00dax | antiphase: makes sense, you can buy spare passports easily too :D |
| 22:30.49 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 22:31.09 | z00dax | AndyMillar: so yet another means to lock down identify and help $wierdo's track you down ? |
| 22:31.11 | hali | so is xlhost.com any good for dedicated servers? |
| 22:31.19 | cpufreak | just use hetzner.de |
| 22:31.20 | cpufreak | urgh |
| 22:31.23 | cpufreak | ffs. |
| 22:31.25 | AndyMillar | hali: xlhost are alright |
| 22:31.33 | AndyMillar | a company i work for has ~40 with them :) |
| 22:31.45 | cpufreak | sighs |
| 22:31.50 | hali | is reading andymillar.co.uk and found a link |
| 22:32.03 | cpufreak | don't think I'll be getting an early night tonight |
| 22:32.05 | hali | i just need somewhere to run torrentflux and irc :) |
| 22:32.07 | AndyMillar | there's a link to xlhost on there? |
| 22:32.16 | AndyMillar | serverpronto are dirt cheap for torrents :) |
| 22:32.18 | hali | AndyMillar: some link links to them |
| 22:32.19 | cpufreak | stupidlinuux |
| 22:32.21 | z00dax | hali: gandi.net |
| 22:32.56 | hali | z00dax: hetzner has got some good offers, 4gb ram now in the 59euro package |
| 22:33.08 | AndyMillar | christ that's cheap |
| 22:33.13 | z00dax | hali: yup |
| 22:33.25 | z00dax | hali: they also seem to have resolved most of their issues |
| 22:33.28 | hali | they can't beat the 9.99pm ovh package though :) |
| 22:33.34 | hali | £ |
| 22:34.12 | AndyMillar | ghandi is a cool idea |
| 22:34.12 | z00dax | the hetzner network has also improved quite a lot |
| 22:34.21 | hali | z00dax: do they do centos though? can't see it on their site |
| 22:34.30 | z00dax | AndyMillar: they are good guys |
| 22:34.51 | z00dax | hali: yeah, they will - you can install it using the kvm/ip they offer, or just get anything and vnc install |
| 22:35.18 | hali | z00dax: ah cool, so the kvm/ip stuff is free? and is it always available? |
| 22:35.18 | AndyMillar | ipkvm is handy :) |
| 22:35.37 | hali | i use rapidswitch for some mail relays and they offer ipkvm on request |
| 22:35.43 | z00dax | i know they offer it at installtime, they also have some pxe based live distro thing that you can get ondemand and ssh to it |
| 22:35.56 | hali | request=withing 30 mins ... can be 30 long minuts :) |
| 22:35.58 | AndyMillar | hali: rapidswitch are awesome :) |
| 22:36.08 | hali | yes i must say i really really like rapidswitch |
| 22:36.13 | hali | their services is outstanding |
| 22:36.20 | AndyMillar | i colo there :) |
| 22:36.43 | z00dax | are they at bluesq ? |
| 22:36.46 | hali | yes |
| 22:36.49 | AndyMillar | yeah |
| 22:36.49 | hali | maidenhead |
| 22:36.54 | z00dax | thats not a very good dc |
| 22:36.55 | hali | in the sticks |
| 22:37.03 | z00dax | they had power outage when i went to visit |
| 22:37.09 | AndyMillar | when did you go to visit? |
| 22:37.14 | hali | never been, they cheap... we got quotes for a large DW solution there once |
| 22:37.21 | z00dax | was looking to put something into poundhosting |
| 22:37.24 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 22:37.24 | cpufreak | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.28 | cpufreak | thats a box @ rapidswitch |
| 22:37.37 | cpufreak | its an ex-balckcat box.. |
| 22:37.46 | z00dax | AndyMillar: humm this was a while back, Nov/Dec 2006 |
| 22:37.48 | hali | i would guess our boxes have similar uptime |
| 22:37.49 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 22:37.58 | z00dax | cpufreak: blackcat moved out from redbus too ? |
| 22:37.59 | AndyMillar | they've changed a lot since then |
| 22:38.07 | AndyMillar | blackcat were bought by rapidswitch |
| 22:38.10 | cpufreak | z00dax: blackcat sold out to rapidswitch |
| 22:38.20 | z00dax | ah, didnt know |
| 22:38.20 | AndyMillar | who moved all their customers to their floor in bluesquare |
| 22:38.25 | AndyMillar | 6 months ago? |
| 22:38.29 | AndyMillar | or was it longer |
| 22:39.02 | hali | must be a year now |
| 22:39.24 | AndyMillar | bluesquare have had a few issues |
| 22:39.29 | AndyMillar | but they are addressing them |
| 22:40.12 | AndyMillar | compared to £100 for 0.5A somewhere in london, the £35pm RS ask for makes them worth it |
| 22:40.41 | hali | z00dax: i like hetzner, "Option of payment: optional" :) |
| 22:41.18 | AndyMillar | hali: and yes, i do have a silly blog :( |
| 22:41.51 | cpufreak | no, it was 181 days ago. |
| 22:42.51 | hali | 181 days ago they moved blackcatz or 181 days ago they moved to bluesquare? |
| 22:43.02 | AndyMillar | both happened at the same time iirc |
| 22:43.23 | hali | ah |
| 22:45.09 | AndyMillar | anyway, the point still stands, RS are awesome value for money |
| 22:45.25 | hali | for a business yes |
| 22:46.13 | AndyMillar | pretty good for consumers as well |
| 22:47.04 | hali | price wise they are ok but there are lots of cheaper options if you don't care that much about availability |
| 22:47.25 | AndyMillar | where like? |
| 22:47.38 | hali | hetzner |
| 22:47.40 | hali | ovh |
| 22:47.46 | hali | xlhost |
| 22:47.52 | hali | especially ovh :) |
| 22:47.58 | AndyMillar | non-uk |
| 22:48.02 | hali | they do dedicated servers for £15 pm |
| 22:48.03 | hali | yes |
| 22:48.29 | hali | there is that manchester company that i can never remember the name of, thats *almost* uk :) |
| 22:48.46 | AndyMillar | jesus christ |
| 22:48.47 | AndyMillar | ovh |
| 22:49.32 | AndyMillar | i should get one of their £14/month ones |
| 22:50.18 | z00dax | heh, unlimited traffic... i wonder if they mean it |
| 22:50.29 | AndyMillar | where the hell are their servers located i wonder |
| 22:50.30 | z00dax | knows a couple of projects that can use mirrors |
| 22:50.33 | hali | they have some 'fair use' policy |
| 22:50.48 | z00dax | hands AndyMillar a tracepath |
| 22:51.02 | AndyMillar | z00dax: last hop i recognise so far is via cat2 in sov |
| 22:51.06 | AndyMillar | and that's expensive transit :p |
| 22:52.32 | AndyMillar | ah, they're french |
| 22:54.12 | AndyMillar | their site is aweful :/ |
| 22:55.32 | hali | not great no :) |
| 22:55.36 | hali | i'll probably go for hetzner |
| 22:55.41 | z00dax | there is always dedibox if you have a french bank a/c |
| 22:55.55 | hali | my only concern is that all their docs are in kraut |
| 22:56.12 | z00dax | hali: their support people speak English |
| 22:56.16 | z00dax | and google.com/translate |
| 22:56.21 | hali | yes |
| 22:56.25 | AndyMillar | www.lowcostdedi.co.uk \o/ |
| 22:57.02 | z00dax | AndyMillar: 50gb/month ? ha, whats that for a personal blog with 5 readers ? |
| 22:57.14 | AndyMillar | :p |
| 22:57.24 | AndyMillar | blogs don't use that much : |
| 22:57.30 | hali | that's probably enough for most company websites |
| 22:57.39 | z00dax | yeah 50 gigs is plenty for most |
| 22:58.55 | hali | ha, lowcostdeid brags about their vps' being on raid0 :) |
| 22:59.23 | AndyMillar | i wonder if that's intentional |
| 22:59.54 | hali | "2x 160Gb Hard Disks in RAID0 (for better read/write performance)" |
| 23:00.03 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 23:00.13 | z00dax | *fear* |
| 23:00.16 | hali | probably some bloke who's got a bunch of pc's in his basement :) |
| 23:01.38 | z00dax | remote hands available, outside school hours |
| 23:01.52 | AndyMillar | heh |
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| 23:02.40 | AndyMillar | "If a fault with your server is down to hardware failure, the hardware will be replaced within 48 hours (during office hours). " |
| 23:03.04 | Discordian | Not impressive at all |
| 23:03.26 | hali | considering the price it's probably good enough for say web developers and such |
| 23:03.38 | Discordian | possibly yeah |
| 23:03.49 | AndyMillar | it's dirt cheap for a uk box - but i wouldn't put anything important there :) |
| 23:04.18 | hali | off to bed, nite |
| 23:04.25 | antiphase | I wouldn't put anything important on anyone else's hardware |
| 23:04.42 | cpufreak | don't thingyfiddlers do dedicated servers now too? |
| 23:04.44 | cpufreak | bytemark |
| 23:05.10 | AndyMillar | nn |
| 23:11.26 | AndyMillar | and bed here myself i think |
| 23:11.26 | z00dax | nite |
| 23:11.31 | AndyMillar | got to be on the other side 'o london in the morning :(} |
| 23:11.52 | AndyMillar | and it's a sucky journey |
| 23:13.12 | antiphase | Ba ha ha, I walk to work now I'm not in London any more |
| 23:13.21 | antiphase | No more stinky Tubes and buses for me |
| 23:13.29 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 23:13.37 | AndyMillar | an hour on the hammersmith and shitty line :( |
| 23:13.37 | z00dax | i miss that |
| 23:13.55 | z00dax | i walked the 3 min from home to work, in London for many years. |
| 23:14.01 | AndyMillar | bah |
| 23:14.03 | z00dax | its now an hours drive |
| 23:14.11 | Discordian | 3 mins that's cool |
| 23:14.11 | AndyMillar | why did I move to hackney :( |
| 23:14.12 | z00dax | or a 15 min drive, and an hours train |
| 23:14.24 | z00dax | i drive through hackney on my way to work :D |
| 23:14.25 | Discordian | I never had less than a 46 min commute |
| 23:14.32 | cpufreak | can't beat a 5mins walk to work, past a place which sells crossiantss |
| 23:14.33 | AndyMillar | z00dax: where do you work? |
| 23:14.45 | AndyMillar | give me a lift to hammersmith on your way in ;) |
| 23:14.56 | z00dax | Kentish Town, for a majority of the week, Canary warf the rest |
| 23:15.16 | z00dax | cpufreak: yeah, that would be hard to beat |
| 23:15.30 | AndyMillar | you could beat it easily |
| 23:15.33 | Discordian | kentish town is cool |
| 23:15.34 | AndyMillar | living above the shop! |
| 23:15.45 | z00dax | i have considered moving to Hammersmith a few years back, am kinda glad i didt |
| 23:15.56 | AndyMillar | hammersmith is alright |
| 23:16.03 | AndyMillar | i used to live there a year or so ago |
| 23:16.12 | z00dax | SIGTOOFARFROMORK |
| 23:16.17 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 23:16.33 | AndyMillar | then i moved to hackney for my gf's job, and look what happens, i get work in hammersmith! |
| 23:16.47 | cpufreak | z00dax: only problem is I end up finding myself in the office at 01:16 on a monday morning |
| 23:17.04 | z00dax | thats, not so cool. |
| 23:17.07 | AndyMillar | cpufreak: that's bad : |
| 23:17.08 | AndyMillar | :( |
| 23:17.10 | z00dax | hope the overtime is good |
| 23:17.15 | cpufreak | we don't pay overtime |
| 23:17.27 | AndyMillar | so why are you doing it? :/ |
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| 23:17.37 | z00dax | in which case, I hope the work is find and you enjoy it |
| 23:17.45 | cpufreak | the work is awesome. |
| 23:18.04 | AndyMillar | what can be so awesome that you don't mind working till 1am? |
| 23:18.09 | cpufreak | joost.com |
| 23:18.13 | cpufreak | tbh. |
| 23:19.06 | z00dax | well, if you enjoy it - its awesome |
| 23:19.11 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 23:19.49 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 23:19.55 | AndyMillar | you work down the road from me |
| 23:20.01 | cpufreak | I do? |
| 23:20.11 | AndyMillar | from where I live( |
| 23:20.12 | AndyMillar | * |
| 23:20.12 | z00dax | must be a long road, with a massive bridge over the channel |
| 23:20.19 | cpufreak | you live in Holland? |
| 23:20.31 | AndyMillar | oh |
| 23:20.35 | AndyMillar | wrong office for joost :( |
| 23:20.56 | z00dax | :D |
| 23:21.46 | AndyMillar | yeah, i went past that office earlier today :P |
| 23:23.30 | z00dax | ok, glibc hacking on ppc/ps3 |
| 23:23.40 | z00dax | gets beer |
| 23:25.40 | cpufreak | heh |
| 23:25.45 | cpufreak | just play GT5:Prologue |
| 23:25.48 | cpufreak | its /awesome/ |
| 23:25.53 | cpufreak | well the graphics are mindboggling |
| 23:26.57 | z00dax | i have the demo, got the game on order |
| 23:27.14 | z00dax | i need to get CentOS5 installing on this thing in a sane manner |
| 23:27.28 | z00dax | with 256megs of ram, its just not got enough ram for the crazy yum based anaconda :/ |
| 23:28.18 | z00dax | cpufreak: got a ps3 ? howse FPS on there ? been thinking of getting COD4 on there, is it any good ? compareable to PC ? |
| 23:30.29 | cpufreak | I have a PS3 yes.. japanese one, had it since december 2006 :) |
| 23:31.02 | z00dax | mine is .jp too - came from seil |
| 23:31.07 | z00dax | its serial number 63 |
| 23:31.23 | cpufreak | no idea what serial number mine has |
| 23:31.29 | cpufreak | friend brought it back for me |
| 23:31.57 | z00dax | so, what are FPS games like on there ? |
| 23:32.20 | cpufreak | resistance fall of man was good |
| 23:32.26 | cpufreak | but I don't play FPS games |
| 23:32.47 | cpufreak | I only bought it for GT5, and Grand Theft Auto... which is out in like 3 weeks |
| 23:33.09 | z00dax | yeah |
| 23:33.14 | z00dax | the trailer looks good |
| 23:37.54 | cpufreak | can't wait for the full GT5.. |
| 23:48.13 | Armand | can't wait for my brother to get PS3. ;) |
| 23:48.48 | cpufreak | they're piss cheap now |
| 23:48.51 | cpufreak | 399EUR |
| 23:49.24 | Armand | £300 with GT5 prologue |
| 23:49.59 | Armand | wants GT5!! >_< |