| 00:13.05 | cpufreak | whats the maximum size of a CRL? |
| 00:13.07 | cpufreak | if there is one |
| 00:16.54 | rhowe_ | just spent some time chasing hamsters around the flat |
| 00:16.58 | z00dax | there should be an rfc |
| 00:17.24 | z00dax | cpufreak: also, i dont think there should be a limit really, its reasonable to expect people to have large cert roots |
| 00:18.02 | rhowe | I think the big CAs have >100KiB CRLs |
| 00:18.09 | rhowe | Maybe even over a meg |
| 01:27.16 | cpufreak | shitty fucking bollox. |
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| 01:27.29 | cpufreak | grrr |
| 01:27.33 | cpufreak | stupid flood limits\ |
| 01:27.40 | cpufreak | anyway.. shittyfucking bollox |
| 01:37.02 | antiphase | suspects BitTorrent is becoming a Nazi |
| 01:37.21 | z00dax | fun |
| 01:38.22 | antiphase | I just turned up my upload rate in rtorrent, and my download rate increased massively |
| 01:38.44 | antiphase | This is fine when I'm on a symmetrical connection, but doesn't pan out so well at home on shit ADSL |
| 01:38.52 | cpufreak | tries the only rabbit he has in the hat, ready to pull out, and desperately hopes that fixes the problem |
| 01:40.32 | z00dax | antiphase: we were talking about cheap hosting earlier, why not just get a dedicated box for 15 pounds and host the torrent on there |
| 01:41.23 | antiphase | Bandwidth is the only variable cost with hosting any more it seems |
| 01:41.35 | z00dax | yeah |
| 01:41.56 | z00dax | even then, hardware might be cheap - it still costs *something* |
| 02:09.36 | cpufreak | hmm |
| 02:15.55 | cpufreak | we should be in the house now |
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| 09:47.21 | bilarh | morning folks |
| 09:47.37 | bilarh | andymillar: andrew? |
| 09:48.37 | ElPenguin | life in gllug! |
| 09:50.37 | bilarh | elpenguin: i know, it's crazy |
| 09:53.03 | bilarh | andymillar: never mind, i thought you were someone i used to work with :D |
| 09:53.27 | bilarh | with the same name, also a linux geek |
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| 10:14.46 | mikejw | aloha |
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| 10:19.00 | morsing | 'morning |
| 10:19.03 | mikejw | morsing! |
| 10:19.05 | mikejw | :) |
| 10:19.06 | morsing | Any MySQL people awake? |
| 10:19.08 | morsing | mikejw! |
| 10:19.19 | mikejw | i use MySQL |
| 10:20.01 | morsing | 080331 11:07:34 InnoDB: Operating system error number 13 in a file operation. |
| 10:20.01 | morsing | InnoDB: The error means mysqld does not have the access rights to |
| 10:20.01 | morsing | InnoDB: the directory. |
| 10:20.01 | morsing | InnoDB: File name ./status/queues.ibd |
| 10:20.03 | morsing | What? |
| 10:20.12 | morsing | Directory and file permissions are right |
| 10:20.17 | morsing | Owner is right |
| 10:20.19 | antiphase | FSVO right |
| 10:20.21 | morsing | MySQL not running |
| 10:20.27 | morsing | No .sock file |
| 10:20.36 | morsing | What's it complaining about? |
| 10:20.47 | morsing | mikejw: ? |
| 10:20.59 | mikejw | pass :S |
| 10:21.09 | morsing | *sigh* :( |
| 10:21.12 | morsing | Anyone else? |
| 10:21.19 | antiphase | Do some troubleshooting |
| 10:21.30 | antiphase | Like find out what the path is, cos it sure isn't . |
| 10:21.34 | morsing | strace isn't installed |
| 10:21.42 | morsing | /var/lib/mysql |
| 10:22.03 | antiphase | Turn on debugging then... |
| 10:24.29 | morsing | That's an undocumented feature |
| 10:25.49 | antiphase | If you mean undocumented as "in the man page", then you are correct ;) |
| 10:26.30 | morsing | On the Internet as well |
| 10:26.34 | morsing | 080331 11:25:15 [ERROR] /usr/libexec/mysqld: unknown option '--debug' |
| 10:27.47 | morsing | Right, can't use that option then, back to trying to start it multiple times to see if it will eventually work |
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| 10:44.07 | morsing | gregj! |
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| 11:33.16 | Discordian | Good afternoon |
| 11:34.23 | bilarh | greetings |
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| 11:47.24 | dick_turpin | bilarh: :-P |
| 11:48.06 | bilarh | wahey dick_turpin |
| 11:48.19 | bilarh | how's it going, you old codger? |
| 11:48.31 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:48.34 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Good where you been? |
| 11:48.47 | bilarh | over easter i was in new york |
| 11:48.53 | bilarh | and then i've just been busy at work after |
| 11:48.57 | dick_turpin | Bastard |
| 11:48.57 | bilarh | and before i was busy too |
| 11:49.05 | ElPenguin | morsing: would you believe one of my colleagues succeeded in coming in two hours late and proclaiming he'd put the clock back an hour? |
| 11:49.26 | dick_turpin | rotflmao |
| 11:49.59 | morsing | ElPenguin: :) |
| 11:50.03 | morsing | My dad did that once |
| 11:50.38 | bilarh | dick_turpin: we aim to please ;) |
| 11:50.48 | bilarh | dick_turpin: new york was cool, but it wasn't fantastic by any means :) |
| 11:50.51 | morsing | bends down and pleases bilarh |
| 11:50.52 | bilarh | if that's any consolation |
| 11:51.01 | ElPenguin | secretlondon would do the same thing had she a need, i should expect |
| 11:51.02 | bilarh | morsing: watch those knees |
| 11:51.16 | dick_turpin | ElPenguin: Ouch! |
| 11:51.22 | bilarh | elpenguin: please me? :-S |
| 11:51.39 | ElPenguin | the thing is she could get away with it due to a winning personality |
| 11:51.51 | bilarh | (for the record): YOU LOT MAKE ME SICK, YOU DO |
| 11:51.52 | bilarh | :) |
| 11:52.16 | dick_turpin | bilarh: No you was sick before |
| 11:52.26 | bilarh | fair point |
| 11:52.38 | bilarh | how are your daughters? |
| 11:53.00 | dick_turpin | ElPenguin: I had a girl once ring in and say "I cant come to work as I'm on a period" |
| 11:53.17 | dick_turpin | ElPenguin: "And I don't have any money to buy Tampax" |
| 11:53.21 | ElPenguin | rofl |
| 11:53.28 | bilarh | dick_turpin: damn :D |
| 11:53.42 | bilarh | it's not like a period creeps up on most girls, is it? |
| 11:54.02 | ElPenguin | they may not notice, but the people around them do |
| 11:54.12 | dick_turpin | Or the bloke who took his dog for a walk, it pulled him over, broke his glasses |
| 11:54.22 | morsing | Fancy not being on IRC on your birthday... |
| 11:54.26 | morsing | *pfttt* |
| 11:54.26 | dick_turpin | I've heard them all |
| 11:54.36 | bilarh | dick_turpin: are you a manager? |
| 11:54.41 | dick_turpin | Yes |
| 11:54.44 | bilarh | ah right |
| 11:55.15 | bilarh | i feel like pulling a sickie |
| 11:55.22 | bilarh | but i've got a day off tomorrow anyway, so no point :) |
| 11:55.26 | morsing | feels like pulling somthing else |
| 11:55.33 | dick_turpin | The ones I hate are when people are being sacked, the frigging excuses you get |
| 11:55.41 | bilarh | wishes morsing kept his dirty thoughts to himself smoetime |
| 11:56.12 | dick_turpin | Like the bloke caught on camera stealing a push bike |
| 11:57.15 | dick_turpin | Argued and argued that it was not him, bloody truck had our logo spalshed all over the back |
| 11:57.26 | dick_turpin | that he was trying to put the bike into |
| 11:57.49 | bilarh | hehe class |
| 11:57.55 | bilarh | using your company vehicle to steal stuff :D |
| 11:58.15 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Groan its not the first time either |
| 12:02.07 | cpufreak | hey |
| 12:02.28 | cpufreak | anyone doing GEOIP for the host record for a domain (i.e. for joost.com) - not for subrecords of the domain? |
| 12:02.35 | cpufreak | trying to figure out how best to do it. |
| 12:03.20 | morsing | Cawfy |
| 12:31.32 | mikejw | earl grey! |
| 12:42.30 | morsing | What's = 21 in a 'read' in strace? |
| 12:43.51 | antiphase | o.O |
| 12:44.08 | bilarh | morsing: eh? |
| 12:44.28 | morsing | read(3, "/var/lib/mysql/mysql\n", 128) = 21 |
| 12:44.43 | bilarh | that means that the read command returned 21 |
| 12:44.46 | bilarh | i.e. it read 21 bytes |
| 12:44.49 | bilarh | man 3 read |
| 12:44.50 | morsing | Ahh |
| 12:45.01 | bilarh | man 2 read, even |
| 12:48.13 | ElPenguin | wonders if anyone thought of extending the man numbers to, for example use perldoc or similar |
| 12:48.49 | ElPenguin | one command to rule them all |
| 12:49.22 | antiphase | banana:~ $ apropos HTTP::Date |
| 12:49.23 | antiphase | HTTP::Date (3pm) - date conversion routines |
| 12:49.44 | morsing | 13:45 < LGee> If the bear continues biting you long after you assume a |
| 12:49.44 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:49.45 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.17 | morsing | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.25 | morsing | [root@neworleans mysql]# selinuxenabled |
| 12:51.25 | morsing | [root@neworleans mysql]# echo $? |
| 12:51.25 | morsing | 1 |
| 12:51.28 | morsing | Brilliant :D |
| 12:52.16 | ElPenguin | i love outdated and/or wrong manpages |
| 12:52.27 | morsing | So is it enabled? |
| 12:52.55 | antiphase | -256 isn't really a valid returncode |
| 12:53.06 | morsing | Ahh... So -256 = 1 |
| 12:53.41 | antiphase | In 9-bit 2's complement represented with 8 bits, -256 is 0+carry |
| 12:53.44 | bilarh | selinuxenabled Indicates whether SELinux is enabled or disabled. It exits with status 0 if SELinux is enabled and -256 if it is not enabled. |
| 12:55.37 | ElPenguin | or perhaps they tried to return an unsigned int, in which case it still wouldn't be 1 |
| 13:03.19 | bilarh | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fe17mCBzAk |
| 13:03.27 | bilarh | watch it to the second part :D |
| 13:03.38 | ElPenguin | what is it? (at work) |
| 13:05.40 | morsing | Can I disable innodb on an installation that's been using it so far? |
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| 14:17.42 | antiphase | How can you possibly disable a database engine without all your data going away? |
| 14:19.26 | morsing | antiphase: It's not needed if you'd cared to RTFM |
| 14:19.41 | antiphase | It is if you have innodb tables, obviously not otherwise |
| 14:19.48 | morsing | I just can't tell if it's not needed in a way that you can disable it |
| 14:20.04 | morsing | So you can't migrate or something? |
| 14:20.29 | antiphase | I think you can convert in one direction at least, from MyISAM to InnoDB |
| 14:20.37 | morsing | Hmm... |
| 14:20.53 | morsing | Anyway, it's working angain now, thanks to rm -r |
| 14:20.55 | antiphase | MyISAM is for losers unless you're just doing lots of selects for a website or something and you require the ultimate speed |
| 14:21.01 | ElPenguin | hrm, what's the mysql syntax for showing fk constraints? |
| 14:24.44 | bilarh | there aren't any fk constraints in mysql ;-) |
| 14:24.49 | bilarh | at least there didn't use to be |
| 14:24.51 | ElPenguin | there are in innodb |
| 14:25.00 | bilarh | stands corrected :) |
| 14:25.10 | antiphase | There are some vague and barely useful ones relating to foreign keys I think |
| 14:25.12 | bilarh | i thought innodb was deprecated? |
| 14:25.30 | ElPenguin | i hope not, it's the only decent engine for mysql |
| 14:30.56 | morsing | bilarh: Where can I get 16mm vacuum hose? |
| 14:31.14 | bilarh | any motorfactors? |
| 14:31.24 | morsing | Link? |
| 14:31.40 | bilarh | no... motorfactors = spare parts shop |
| 14:31.46 | bilarh | they're dotted around the place |
| 14:31.54 | bilarh | probably a couple of different ones even in aylesbury |
| 14:31.59 | bilarh | alternatively, give as performance a call |
| 14:32.13 | bilarh | www.asperformance.com |
| 14:32.16 | morsing | Ok, well Halfords certainly don't but I'll have a loook at Buck Motorspares |
| 14:33.11 | bilarh | halfords are rubbish for anything |
| 14:33.19 | ElPenguin | except profit |
| 14:33.20 | bilarh | the only thing they seem to stock is in car air fresheners |
| 14:33.34 | bilarh | their tools are good though, the professional range, i mean |
| 14:33.40 | antiphase | 16mm is clearly 5/8" anyway |
| 14:33.42 | bilarh | and, scarily, actually quite good value |
| 14:33.50 | ElPenguin | the latter part is lies |
| 14:33.58 | antiphase | Halfords tools are made of marzipan |
| 14:34.00 | ElPenguin | give me a dremel and a can of wd40 |
| 14:34.14 | bilarh | antiphase: the cheap stuff is, but the professional stuff is quite good imo |
| 14:34.36 | bilarh | obviously snap-on et al will be better, but at 4 times the price |
| 14:34.46 | bilarh | i've yet to break any halfords tools actually |
| 14:34.59 | bilarh | and i do abuse them a bit every so often |
| 14:35.07 | bilarh | e.g hammer on breaker bar :) |
| 14:41.29 | bilarh | ibot: seen hali |
| 14:41.31 | ibot | hali is currently on #gllug. Has said a total of 86 messages. Is idling for 15h 37m 13s, last said: 'off to bed, nite'. |
| 14:44.06 | antiphase | I'd buy Britool stuff or anythng German before Snap-on I think |
| 14:45.11 | bilarh | what shops (not online) generally sell britool? |
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| 14:46.36 | antiphase | I can't say I've ever seen them in a shop, because I've never been to anywhere good enough to sell them :) |
| 14:46.42 | antiphase | Online would be cheaper anyway |
| 14:46.49 | antiphase | Well, less expensive |
| 14:46.53 | bilarh | yeah i suppose but delivery is always a pain in the arse |
| 14:47.12 | antiphase | I get all my stuff sent to work |
| 14:47.34 | bilarh | most companies are arses about stuff like "billing address" though |
| 14:47.48 | bilarh | especially when i call up with my dodgy accent |
| 14:48.11 | antiphase | The probably think you're a terrrrist |
| 14:48.34 | morsing | Beer |
| 14:48.38 | bilarh | probably, especially with the governments new prop... information about spotting terrorists on the radio |
| 14:49.37 | bilarh | oh no |
| 14:49.44 | bilarh | britool have been bought by stanley |
| 14:50.15 | antiphase | That's fucked it then |
| 14:50.21 | bilarh | yep :( |
| 14:50.36 | antiphase | Elora next then |
| 14:50.50 | antiphase | The Germans probably won't mind shipping overseas if there's money involved |
| 14:51.20 | bilarh | i want these but in single hex: http://www.britool.com/britool-webart/RRFJMSET12.jpg |
| 14:52.00 | antiphase | Fuck, Elora are owned by Draper now |
| 14:52.09 | bilarh | double hex is fucking shite, i don't know why everyone keeps making them |
| 14:52.16 | bilarh | especially on ratchets it makes no sense what so ever |
| 14:52.21 | bilarh | as the head adjusts anyway |
| 14:52.25 | morsing | bilarh: Can I go home? |
| 14:52.39 | bilarh | morsing: ask your line manager |
| 14:52.41 | antiphase | If you get decent quality ones the flats in the sockets stay flat |
| 14:52.47 | morsing | He's on holiday |
| 14:53.11 | bilarh | morsing: ah... in that case, is there someone there who's likely to grass you up? |
| 14:53.15 | morsing | No |
| 14:53.29 | bilarh | morsing: the rest is left as an exercise to the reader |
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| 15:10.09 | morsing | Leeds! |
| 15:13.58 | Leeds | hello |
| 15:14.53 | hali | bilarh: yo |
| 15:15.02 | bilarh | yo dawg |
| 15:15.07 | bilarh | we *really* must meet up soon |
| 15:15.25 | bilarh | i'm starting to feel like i haven't seen anyone but work people for the past four months |
| 15:18.07 | hali | yes |
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| 15:44.27 | secretlondon | hi |
| 15:44.46 | ElPenguin | hi secretlondon |
| 15:59.02 | antiphase | Stupid linux |
| 15:59.22 | antiphase | 2.6.24 kernel considered bollocks for everything that now completely fails to compile against it |
| 15:59.45 | antiphase | No more VMWare or GPFS or anything for me |
| 16:00.30 | ElPenguin | vmware always breaks |
| 16:00.34 | ElPenguin | get the any-any patch |
| 16:00.53 | antiphase | Will that fix the kernel symbols that have gone away? |
| 16:00.59 | antiphase | thinks not |
| 16:01.13 | ElPenguin | no |
| 16:01.22 | ElPenguin | but that isn't the kernel's fault, that's shitty software's fault |
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| 16:02.34 | Cope | peeks in. |
| 16:04.55 | secretlondon | ello Cope |
| 16:08.18 | ChoHag | has a job. |
| 16:08.31 | jpatrick | hi Cope |
| 16:09.58 | secretlondon | ChoHag, congrats |
| 16:10.15 | secretlondon | went to another agency today |
| 16:10.48 | ChoHag | Try Ticketmaster. |
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| 16:10.58 | ChoHag | I've just cancelled an interview with them tomorrow morning at 10. |
| 16:11.01 | ChoHag | So they have a free slot. |
| 16:11.10 | secretlondon | ChoHag, I'm not a sysadmin |
| 16:11.13 | ChoHag | Ah. |
| 16:11.19 | ElPenguin | TM are cunt |
| 16:11.20 | ElPenguin | s |
| 16:11.33 | ChoHag | Actually I'm not sure that's what they want. |
| 16:11.43 | ChoHag | They want an "Assistant Core Ticketing Manager" |
| 16:12.17 | ChoHag | Whatever that is. |
| 16:13.02 | ChoHag | ElPenguin: Why? |
| 16:13.23 | ElPenguin | well they always massively drop the ticket price when paying commission on referral sales |
| 16:13.41 | ElPenguin | then pay a % off that |
| 16:13.47 | ChoHag | Oh you mean the business. |
| 16:13.54 | ChoHag | Not the people/politics/whatever. |
| 16:14.09 | ChoHag | Yeah all those ticket tout type businesses are the same. |
| 16:15.46 | Cope | wibbles. |
| 16:16.05 | Cope | ChoHag: good news! |
| 16:16.24 | antiphase | Is it dildo tester? |
| 16:16.55 | Cope | is thinking about network booting app servers. |
| 16:17.10 | Cope | any of you 'orrible lot had experience of this? |
| 16:17.35 | highbury | give them lots of memory |
| 16:17.36 | ChoHag | antiphase: s/tester/ |
| 16:17.39 | ChoHag | antiphase: s/tester// |
| 16:17.47 | Cope | hello highbury :) |
| 16:18.07 | highbury | Is this purely to avoid managing local disks? |
| 16:18.13 | Cope | I have two pairs of your underpants in my bag! |
| 16:18.15 | Cope | </tmi> |
| 16:18.25 | cpufreak | Cope: essentially yes, but no. |
| 16:18.35 | cpufreak | YMMV etc |
| 16:18.43 | Cope | i have about a dozen tomcat vms |
| 16:18.54 | Cope | they'll all run identical softare |
| 16:18.59 | cpufreak | puppetd 4tw |
| 16:19.08 | Cope | nogs nog. |
| 16:19.29 | antiphase | Tomcat + VM is presumably like putting sand in your fuel tank |
| 16:19.32 | Cope | if i can have them use one shared resource, as long as the shared resaource is HA I should be happy |
| 16:19.42 | Cope | antiphase: hrm? |
| 16:19.46 | cpufreak | seriously ubuntu auto-install + puppet rocks, we can install the systems virtually as quickly as a network boot. |
| 16:20.08 | Cope | yes, we do well with kickstart and puppet |
| 16:20.36 | cpufreak | I wouldn't virtualise any production enivronment |
| 16:21.16 | highbury | good for live migration though... |
| 16:21.23 | ChoHag | Thanks. |
| 16:21.33 | Cope | cpufreak: wasn't betfair run on xen? |
| 16:22.43 | antiphase | Virtualisation is great if you're overburdened with hardware that would otherwise go to waste. I can't see a place for it in production either, unless you really only need one or two machines to run everything but you absolutely require some separation |
| 16:23.06 | antiphase | Good for dev replicas of production systems though |
| 16:25.30 | Cope | in this case we have java apps restricted to 32 bit java, but we have spare machines with lots of ram. It's easier to run vms that multiple tomcat instances. |
| 16:25.44 | Cope | just adds more machine to the load balancer pool. |
| 16:26.54 | secretlondon | think ex college was moving all its back end machines over to vms. They also had telephones on the same system as I which meant that whenever the computer network went down all the phones did too |
| 16:28.47 | secretlondon | and I've seen some outstanding examples of network computing recently. "For environmental reasons" $organisation has one server centre for all offices, and workers spend all their days on the one app (which runs offsite). this means that 50% it is frozen, and no-one can work when they lose connection. Zero redundancy |
| 16:28.54 | morsing | Cope! |
| 16:29.25 | Cope | morsing: ! |
| 16:29.39 | Cope | say I am fab! on linked in! when I was at dlr#! |
| 16:29.43 | morsing | Cope: You said happy birthday yet? |
| 16:30.10 | Cope | checks diary. |
| 16:30.21 | Cope | hugs morsing |
| 16:30.25 | morsing | ? |
| 16:30.26 | Cope | :D |
| 16:30.37 | morsing | ? |
| 16:31.15 | morsing | Do tell me you know who's birthday it is today? |
| 16:31.56 | mikejw | away |
| 16:32.11 | morsing | mikejw: Incorrect |
| 16:32.13 | mikejw | HAPPY BITHDAY WETHRIN! |
| 16:32.18 | mikejw | *birthday |
| 16:32.18 | morsing | It's not away's birtday |
| 16:32.22 | mikejw | :P |
| 16:32.25 | morsing | :) |
| 16:32.28 | morsing | Woooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 16:32.29 | mikejw | lol |
| 16:32.37 | mikejw | birtday? |
| 16:32.44 | morsing | Dirtday |
| 16:32.58 | mikejw | flirtday |
| 16:33.15 | Cope | diary says: 27th March - Henrick's birthday |
| 16:33.20 | Cope | hence hug |
| 16:33.25 | Cope | belated |
| 16:33.26 | morsing | Ermmm |
| 16:33.29 | morsing | Right |
| 16:33.40 | morsing | Did Steve (goodwin) tell you that? |
| 16:33.43 | mikejw | HAPPY BIRTHDAY MORSING! |
| 16:33.51 | morsing | ibot seen spypigeon |
| 16:33.55 | ibot | spypigeon <steev@cpc1-lutn3-3-0-cust10.lutn.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gllug, 1519d 23h 4m 36s ago, saying: 'Fine with me...I'm just a bot anyhow ;)'. |
| 16:33.57 | Cope | morsing: no |
| 16:33.58 | secretlondon | morsing, I thought you had more birthdays than the queen |
| 16:34.10 | morsing | secretlondon: I do |
| 16:34.16 | ElPenguin | happy birthday |
| 16:34.26 | morsing | ElPenguin: He's not even here |
| 16:34.29 | secretlondon | happy birthday wethrin |
| 16:34.44 | secretlondon | ibot seen wethrin |
| 16:34.45 | ibot | wethrin is currently on #gllug. Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 1d 4h 16m 43s, last said: 'Not using a cash machine?'. |
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| 16:42.02 | morsing | jcookeman! |
| 16:42.15 | jcookeman | I'm doing an rsync of almost 700 Gb of large files |
| 16:42.18 | jcookeman | to a netapp |
| 16:42.35 | ElPenguin | yay. my boss just moved my hours forward 30 minutes so i have to get up earlier |
| 16:42.39 | jcookeman | and Im noticing the netapp cpu goes high with nfs activity and rsync just hangs during this time |
| 16:42.54 | morsing | Beer |
| 16:43.00 | jcookeman | when cpu is low on the netapp the rsync is just fine |
| 16:43.10 | jcookeman | I dont think this is normal behavior |
| 16:43.33 | antiphase | It's quite normal for NetApps to stop working properly when they run out of CPU |
| 16:43.49 | jcookeman | well it's not out of cpu |
| 16:43.50 | jcookeman | just high |
| 16:43.58 | jcookeman | so it's like the cache is filling |
| 16:44.03 | jcookeman | and it has to write to disk |
| 16:44.21 | jcookeman | and the client has to stop and wait |
| 16:44.34 | jcookeman | pretty crap for just rsync over nfs |
| 16:45.06 | antiphase | Depends how many disks and how much cache you have |
| 16:45.25 | antiphase | I forget the commands to get it to tell you what the cache age and disk utilisation are |
| 16:45.26 | jcookeman | my ibm laptop can do better than this |
| 16:45.34 | jcookeman | sysstat -x |
| 16:45.38 | antiphase | You're doing something very wrong then ;) |
| 16:46.39 | jcookeman | our other filers dont exhibit this |
| 16:46.46 | jcookeman | granted this is a lower class filer |
| 16:46.52 | jcookeman | but still, should have more balls than this |
| 16:47.54 | morsing | Beer |
| 16:48.19 | mikejw | beer balls |
| 17:05.44 | mikejw | sorry about that |
| 17:11.15 | morsing | mikejw: You killed the channel now! |
| 17:11.42 | popey | MOO! |
| 17:17.08 | mikejw | :D |
| 17:17.28 | mikejw | I was just messing around |
| 17:19.29 | mikejw | the clocks changing has messed me up |
| 17:44.51 | cpufreak | Cope: only QADEV/integratino were vitalised when I Was there |
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| 17:52.00 | morsing | etorix! |
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| 19:31.05 | Cope | ibot seen hali |
| 19:31.08 | ibot | hali is currently on #gllug. Has said a total of 88 messages. Is idling for 4h 13m 1s, last said: 'yes'. |
| 19:36.15 | hali | oink |
| 19:39.10 | Nafallo | ibot seen hali |
| 19:39.11 | ibot | hali is currently on #gllug. Has said a total of 89 messages. Is idling for 2m 56s, last said: 'oink'. |
| 19:39.18 | Nafallo | hehe. much better :-P |
| 19:42.58 | Cope | hali: are you around? just about to have a meeting, but could use some advice in a bit, re: HA oracle, if you didn't mind? |
| 19:43.25 | hali | sure |
| 19:43.46 | hali | oracle rac is the obvious choice for a single site setup where basic failover is the requirement |
| 19:44.19 | hali | and is covered by the SE license |
| 19:44.56 | hali | dataguard is the "real" HA solution, can be between single instances or rac clusters |
| 19:45.05 | hali | but requires EE licenses |
| 19:45.34 | hali | hm, what the actual requirement? :) |
| 19:45.36 | hali | whats* |
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| 20:08.40 | Discordian | Good evening |
| 20:09.28 | secretlondon | evening |
| 20:09.45 | etorix | http://www.antizskateboards.com/photos_news/668_1296.jpg |
| 20:15.54 | secretlondon | etorix, sill |
| 20:15.57 | secretlondon | silly |
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| 21:29.18 | Facundo | Hi all |
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| 21:29.38 | hali | evening |
| 21:31.04 | secretlondon | hi |
| 21:34.08 | AndyMillar | lo |
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| 21:38.11 | Discordian | Re |
| 21:42.55 | z00dax | humm oracle rac |
| 21:43.00 | z00dax | ocfs2 too |
| 21:43.47 | Discordian | I must play with the newer fses like ocfs2 and brtfs |
| 21:44.38 | z00dax | ocfs2 is now in kernel |
| 21:44.59 | z00dax | i am not so sure about copy on write filesystems |
| 21:45.02 | hali | just about when oracle stops recommending it :) |
| 21:45.13 | z00dax | have they stopped recommending ocfs2 ? |
| 21:45.16 | hali | yes |
| 21:45.22 | z00dax | nice |
| 21:45.24 | hali | ASM is the recommended storage model now |
| 21:45.26 | z00dax | in favour of what ? |
| 21:45.29 | z00dax | humm |
| 21:45.32 | hali | which is pretty much raw devices with "files" |
| 21:45.52 | z00dax | so, what its back to the 1980's again ? |
| 21:46.04 | z00dax | trying to fight the overheads of a proper filesystem |
| 21:46.06 | hali | no, it's a lot better than old school raw devices |
| 21:46.06 | Discordian | AIO is always gonna be fastest |
| 21:46.23 | z00dax | but you then dont get any benefits of the filesystem tooling |
| 21:46.31 | Discordian | Aye |
| 21:46.46 | hali | they have sort of a file system on top, say you give oracle two physical luns |
| 21:46.54 | Discordian | I used run Orrible on raw metal |
| 21:47.05 | hali | oracle can mirror them and create "files" for logs and datafiles etc |
| 21:47.08 | Discordian | or rather RAID 5 |
| 21:47.09 | z00dax | sure |
| 21:47.09 | z00dax | but |
| 21:47.21 | hali | and they offer a tool (asmcmd) where you can even browse the 'file tree' |
| 21:47.30 | z00dax | you could just as easily ( if not easier ) setup 2 drbd nodes, and ocfs2 on top and have a master-master, replica-master setup |
| 21:47.45 | hali | drbd is more a toy |
| 21:47.53 | hali | it's not really production grade |
| 21:47.57 | z00dax | if you have 2 machines, it works ok |
| 21:48.03 | hali | and unsupported by oracle, they accept it but don't really support it |
| 21:48.11 | hali | im tempted to try it though |
| 21:48.20 | z00dax | it is good, give drbd8 a hot |
| 21:48.21 | z00dax | shot |
| 21:48.28 | hali | read some cool centos+drbd+ocfs+xen cluster guide |
| 21:48.36 | z00dax | specially for nfs targets / smb stuff |
| 21:48.49 | hali | is disk io acceptable? |
| 21:48.54 | z00dax | sure |
| 21:49.04 | z00dax | as long as there is a secondary link between the nodes |
| 21:49.07 | hali | i remember it being under 10mb/sec on when native disk speed was 100mb |
| 21:49.13 | hali | with gig eth |
| 21:49.14 | Discordian | make the masters redudant and use he replicas for reads |
| 21:49.19 | z00dax | you dont want world facing network interface also doing the machine - > machine synd |
| 21:49.54 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:49.54 | z00dax | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.25 | hali | hm, sounds very cached :) |
| 21:50.27 | z00dax | thats from 2drive raid-1's |
| 21:50.48 | hali | i may give it a spin |
| 21:50.54 | hali | is c5 drbd8? |
| 21:51.01 | Nafallo | hmmm |
| 21:51.03 | z00dax | yea, you have 7 and 8 in c5 |
| 21:52.04 | Discordian | does drbd do locking? |
| 21:52.30 | hali | the file system does locking? |
| 21:53.07 | Discordian | well file systems do yes |
| 21:53.21 | hali | reads http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/578 |
| 21:53.32 | Discordian | But there's issues around concurrancy |
| 21:53.59 | Nafallo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.59 | Nafallo | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.02 | Nafallo | :-) |
| 21:54.29 | Nafallo | not quite 100MB/s, but the closest I have I think. |
| 21:55.17 | hali | i think we kick about 500MB out of the thumpers, 900MB is doable im told |
| 21:55.40 | Nafallo | nice :-) |
| 21:55.53 | z00dax | 900MB would be a lot of spindles |
| 21:56.03 | Nafallo | I so need to try that from the SAN at some point ;-) |
| 21:56.18 | hali | 48 |
| 21:56.30 | hali | i've never seen that number outside sun :) |
| 21:56.34 | z00dax | and a very wide bus |
| 21:56.39 | hali | some sun engineer blogged that he got 900 |
| 21:57.40 | Nafallo | ponders if the twin is on the SAN or not. |
| 21:58.43 | z00dax | /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 4396 MB in 2.00 seconds = 2197.78 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 382 MB in 3.00 seconds = 127.22 MB/sec |
| 21:58.51 | z00dax | thats my desktop machine here at home :D |
| 21:59.06 | Nafallo | lol |
| 21:59.15 | Discordian | is jealous |
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| 21:59.29 | Nafallo | not even going to ask what kit you got ;-) |
| 21:59.45 | z00dax | its only 2 drives, Areca 1220 card |
| 22:00.14 | hali | i get pretty much exact half that on my c2d |
| 22:00.35 | Nafallo | the machine I posted is a 4 x SAS 15k on a Dell HW-RAID5 :-P |
| 22:00.49 | hali | dell raid has never been very fast :) |
| 22:00.50 | z00dax | Nafallo: I'd ask for a refund |
| 22:00.59 | hali | it's good enough though |
| 22:01.00 | Nafallo | z00dax: was free :-P |
| 22:01.07 | z00dax | Nafallo: can i get one too ? |
| 22:01.13 | hali | i've never seen good "in server" raid |
| 22:01.18 | hali | good as in very fast |
| 22:01.34 | Nafallo | z00dax: are you part of the Ubuntu community and want to host servers for that? :-) |
| 22:01.45 | z00dax | Nafallo: no, no |
| 22:01.57 | z00dax | i am always looking for hosting though |
| 22:01.59 | Nafallo | there we go then :-) |
| 22:02.02 | hali | im a part of the ubuntu community! :) |
| 22:02.08 | hali | i posted a bug once |
| 22:02.15 | etorix | i want a colo or so |
| 22:02.20 | Nafallo | maintains a package still :-) |
| 22:02.29 | etorix | to run a open-arena server on |
| 22:02.30 | Discordian | z00dax is part of the redhat family |
| 22:02.33 | Nafallo | a package and a box ;-) |
| 22:02.44 | hali | i want an icecream or so |
| 22:02.47 | etorix | and do a bit of torrent |
| 22:03.01 | Nafallo | hali: let's wait for summer :-) |
| 22:03.12 | hali | compared to sweden this is summer |
| 22:03.21 | Nafallo | hali: hehe. true enough :-) |
| 22:03.27 | AndyMillar | wants to get into package management - but iirc the process of applying takes time :( |
| 22:03.53 | secretlondon | has made some private packages, but isn't there yet.. |
| 22:04.16 | Discordian | I know Redhat/Solaris packaging |
| 22:04.47 | Discordian | I've seen 17C mooted for london tomorrow |
| 22:04.51 | secretlondon | cool |
| 22:05.22 | etorix | warm |
| 22:05.22 | hali | hm, cool, both osx and linux are outselling vista laptops on amazon now :-D |
| 22:05.24 | etorix | ish |
| 22:05.44 | Nafallo | Discordian: rock on! |
| 22:05.47 | etorix | i want a swim |
| 22:05.58 | Nafallo | hali: icecream tomorrow? |
| 22:06.10 | etorix | maybe the lido |
| 22:06.13 | AndyMillar | 17C? awesome |
| 22:06.16 | hali | im disk shelfing tomorrow evening i think |
| 22:06.25 | etorix | swim + icecream |
| 22:06.34 | Nafallo | hali: daytime. you do have lunchbreaks, right? :-) |
| 22:06.46 | hali | ah yes, possibly |
| 22:06.46 | etorix | ok, look at the pool + icecream |
| 22:06.55 | AndyMillar | which pool? :p |
| 22:06.59 | Nafallo | hali: I'll be in Metro at some point of the day anyway :-) |
| 22:07.03 | etorix | the lido |
| 22:07.12 | etorix | on hampstead heath |
| 22:07.15 | AndyMillar | aha |
| 22:07.28 | AndyMillar | such a long way away :( |
| 22:07.28 | AndyMillar | :p |
| 22:07.32 | secretlondon | loved the bathing ponds in hampstead heath |
| 22:07.35 | etorix | not for me |
| 22:07.47 | etorix | pnds were a bit scummy |
| 22:07.50 | Discordian | ain't many lidos left now |
| 22:08.11 | AndyMillar | i wonder how the hell i'd get there from here :p |
| 22:08.16 | etorix | the oasis in holborn had a good openair heated pool |
| 22:08.24 | etorix | weird in the RAIN |
| 22:08.35 | etorix | you fell yer head is getting WET |
| 22:09.03 | etorix | feel* |
| 22:09.07 | AndyMillar | 29 mins :p |
| 22:09.09 | etorix | thats ODD |
| 22:09.27 | AndyMillar | on the overground :) |
| 22:09.55 | etorix | 10 mins walk for me, the lido |
| 22:10.06 | AndyMillar | how am i falling asleep? |
| 22:10.14 | etorix | and the overground goes right past it, near |
| 22:10.16 | AndyMillar | i had, erm, 4 or 5 cans of rockstar today :/ |
| 22:10.30 | z00dax | yeah, i am a part of the CentOS community |
| 22:11.30 | hali | s/a part/are/ |
| 22:11.48 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 22:12.10 | z00dax | i just make a lot of noise, is all |
| 22:12.50 | hali | yeah i read about that guy on the list that found you "very difficult to deal with" :-) |
| 22:12.50 | secretlondon | not sure how I'd get there from here, tube to Hampstead? |
| 22:13.18 | AndyMillar | secretlondon: where are you? |
| 22:13.25 | secretlondon | Oval |
| 22:14.12 | AndyMillar | ah :)_ |
| 22:14.59 | AndyMillar | is that actually in London? ;) |
| 22:15.38 | secretlondon | ;) |
| 22:15.44 | secretlondon | zone 2 I'll have you know |
| 22:15.57 | AndyMillar | lies! |
| 22:16.10 | AndyMillar | well, i'm in zone 2 as well, so i can't complain really ;p |
| 22:16.12 | secretlondon | points at the tube map. |
| 22:16.26 | Discordian | is in zone 6 |
| 22:16.40 | secretlondon | Discordian, well that's almost foreign ;) |
| 22:16.45 | hali | is in zone 1 |
| 22:16.57 | AndyMillar | hali: where in zone 1?! |
| 22:17.06 | hali | i think, may be zone 2 officially, my closest tube stop is aldgate which is zone1 |
| 22:17.18 | AndyMillar | i'm in the middle of Old Street, Angel, and Highbury and Islington :) |
| 22:17.32 | AndyMillar | about 25 mins by foot from all 3 :) |
| 22:17.47 | etorix | hmm .. jumper map, no tube map |
| 22:17.50 | hali | unfortunat :) |
| 22:18.00 | Discordian | Sounds an interesting area Andy |
| 22:18.03 | etorix | im sure i had one |
| 22:18.04 | z00dax | i am just outside zone-6 |
| 22:18.16 | z00dax | but wrk a few days/week in Kentish Town |
| 22:18.20 | etorix | they put it somewhere |
| 22:18.22 | AndyMillar | hali: i've spent a fair bit of time in aldgate :) |
| 22:18.35 | z00dax | technically, i think pricess road is where London Ends, so i am about 20 yds outside london |
| 22:18.42 | etorix | i used to shag a lot in aldgate |
| 22:18.49 | etorix | east tenter st |
| 22:18.58 | Discordian | princess road hmm |
| 22:19.03 | AndyMillar | i have a client there :) |
| 22:19.13 | z00dax | you guys share shag clients ? |
| 22:19.21 | z00dax | what did you say you did AndyMillar ? |
| 22:19.23 | hali | notes that drbd 8.0.6 has official xen support |
| 22:19.25 | AndyMillar | z00dax: only the attractive ones :) |
| 22:19.27 | z00dax | .oO0 |
| 22:19.33 | AndyMillar | z00dax: i didn't :) |
| 22:19.40 | z00dax | i dont think they pay that well, the attractive one |
| 22:20.09 | hali | etorix: it's commercial road these days, lots of curb crwalers |
| 22:20.12 | AndyMillar | i'm currently bumming it as a contracted support / sysadmin bod |
| 22:20.14 | Discordian | I think princes road is indeed the county line going east |
| 22:20.42 | AndyMillar | and also finishing my degree |
| 22:23.42 | etorix | live tracking |
| 22:23.50 | etorix | FOLLOW THE PATH OF THE ISS OR ATV |
| 22:24.02 | etorix | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7323275.stm |
| 22:24.13 | etorix | will it go over antarctica |
| 22:24.22 | etorix | i think its gonna miss |
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| 22:29.17 | Cope | hali: still there? |
| 22:29.35 | hali | aigh |
| 22:29.42 | Cope | hali: requirement: client wants to add a machine to have local failover capability |
| 22:30.00 | z00dax | etorix: its not safe these days, to be walking down the street, plucking at your nose.. never know who might get it on camera |
| 22:30.06 | Cope | their on cheapest license |
| 22:30.18 | Cope | SE1? |
| 22:30.34 | hali | Cope: hm, probably best of with storage replication and something like redhat cluster server |
| 22:30.41 | Cope | Wondering about RAC, or some sort of actice/passive singly |
| 22:30.55 | z00dax | sounds like ocfs might be a decent fit |
| 22:30.59 | hali | Cope: or you can use "poor mans dataguard", which is sort of rsyncing archive logs and applying with a script |
| 22:31.00 | Cope | hali: right, that was what I was thinking |
| 22:31.03 | z00dax | might be easier to sell as well, still has the O in it |
| 22:31.18 | hali | Cope: if they have SE (not SE One) they can use RAC |
| 22:31.31 | Cope | I'm sure it is se one |
| 22:31.37 | hali | Cope: not that RAC doesn't protect against data corruption |
| 22:31.42 | hali | note* |
| 22:31.46 | hali | se one is boring |
| 22:32.01 | hali | so yeah, storage level replication and some sort of failover |
| 22:32.21 | hali | whats the storage under oracle? |
| 22:32.35 | Cope | atm? 4 disk raid 10 on win2k3 |
| 22:32.41 | hali | hm |
| 22:32.44 | hali | okay :) |
| 22:32.55 | Cope | I'm suggesting move to 2 node rhel + gfs/rhcs |
| 22:33.08 | Cope | ocfs is an idea - never used it |
| 22:33.22 | z00dax | you'd need either more than 2 nodes for rhcs, or very smart switches / networking kit |
| 22:33.41 | Cope | z00dax: i thought newer rhcs allowed you to do it with 2 nodes |
| 22:33.47 | Cope | used to be you needed a quorum |
| 22:34.01 | hali | gfs is sort of unsupported by oracle, they will support core database issues but not gfs/storage |
| 22:34.09 | Cope | nods. |
| 22:34.11 | antiphase | Everyone's whacking off about Lustre these days if you want a cluster of redundant storage |
| 22:34.16 | Cope | what's ok? |
| 22:34.25 | hali | storage replication wise? |
| 22:34.30 | Cope | yeah |
| 22:34.47 | hali | veritas volume replicator ($$$) |
| 22:34.55 | hali | or somet SAN/NAS mirroring |
| 22:35.01 | wethrin | 'ello |
| 22:35.02 | Cope | drbd? |
| 22:35.04 | hali | netapp snapshots |
| 22:35.13 | hali | drbd is in the same team as gfs, they accept it but bithces |
| 22:36.41 | Cope | anything that isn't $$$ ? :) netapp-- veritas-- |
| 22:37.06 | hali | redhat has a drbd+gfs whitepaper |
| 22:37.09 | hali | for oracle |
| 22:37.17 | Cope | looks for it. |
| 22:37.35 | z00dax | does that work for multimaster ? |
| 22:37.45 | hali | yes |
| 22:37.55 | z00dax | i thought you needed gfs2 for that |
| 22:37.55 | hali | i think it's even a RAC whitepaper |
| 22:38.11 | z00dax | unless you mean gfs == recentish gfs |
| 22:38.13 | hali | is gfs2 in rhel5? |
| 22:38.20 | hali | yes, gfs as in recentish |
| 22:38.36 | z00dax | yeah, there is gfs and gfs2 |
| 22:38.38 | Cope | got a link to that paper? |
| 22:39.14 | hali | the interwebs :) |
| 22:39.34 | Cope | is looking! |
| 22:39.35 | Cope | :) |
| 22:40.09 | Cope | goes back to helena ;) Speak a bit later. |
| 22:40.23 | hali | Cope: http://www.europe.redhat.com/products/infrastructure/gfs/ |
| 22:40.27 | hali | link on there |
| 22:44.18 | z00dax | antiphase: yeah, I've been told that a few times myself. have you done much with lustre ? |
| 22:45.30 | hali | isn't lustre more for HPC applications? |
| 22:45.54 | hali | i.e. you even need to use the lustre C api to access files if you want hardcore performance, not accessing a 'file system' |
| 22:46.02 | z00dax | i would have thought so, i have heard of drbd+lustre being used for low level / low scale stuff too |
| 22:46.15 | z00dax | hali: yes, afaik |
| 22:46.30 | z00dax | also, why do the idiots at Sun need people to 'register' to get the stuff |
| 22:46.32 | z00dax | :/ |
| 22:47.40 | hali | thats something i'd like to work more with actually, larger HPC farms... it sounds fun |
| 22:47.49 | hali | bilarh does it all the time, but mostly complains |
| 22:50.58 | z00dax | yeah, I'd like to do some of that stuff as well |
| 22:51.18 | Discordian | So would I |
| 22:51.27 | z00dax | wasent bilarh working for one of those betting / online money laundering companies ? |
| 22:51.55 | hali | i switched |
| 22:51.58 | hali | he switches* |
| 22:52.00 | hali | not i |
| 22:52.05 | Discordian | I thought bilarh is doing geophysics stuff |
| 22:52.12 | hali | yes, geophys now |
| 22:52.38 | z00dax | thats quite a change |
| 22:52.43 | Discordian | huuge datasets |
| 22:53.13 | z00dax | i got headhunted by someone early last year, they wanted to get a few people together from here, take them to West Indies, and setup an offshore DC for people who want to do this sort of stuff |
| 22:53.22 | z00dax | this = mostly illegal stuff |
| 22:53.36 | hali | cool |
| 22:53.42 | hali | free pr0n! |
| 22:54.01 | z00dax | it was more along the lines of high yeild money rotation schemes or something like that |
| 22:54.29 | Discordian | internet gaming then? |
| 22:54.50 | AndyMillar | nigerian scam? |
| 22:55.10 | hali | 411hosting.com |
| 22:55.13 | z00dax | these guys were setting up the DC - and then offering hosting and management services to people who un turn did that sort of stuff |
| 22:55.26 | z00dax | i head that sport betting for the US markets was big on the agenda |
| 23:04.21 | z00dax | ok, off now |
| 23:12.09 | *** join/#gllug secretlondo (n=secretlo@wikipedia/secretlondon) |
| 23:14.43 | etorix | i know the cisco guy for west indies |
| 23:15.28 | etorix | he keeps all them tubes lubed |
| 23:41.52 | Leeds | nice... there's a guy who has loads of very useful Palm utilities - he's announced a new beta today, to boost phone signals by putting the radio into "fixed origin originator linkup mode" |
| 23:42.22 | secretlondon | night |
| 23:46.39 | Cope | i have a treo 680 (and a 650) |
| 23:46.49 | Cope | but i never worked out how to install software on them |
| 23:47.10 | Leeds | I sold my 650, and I live with, sleep with, etc. my 680 |
| 23:47.56 | Cope | so.... how do you install stuff on it? :) |
| 23:48.04 | Leeds | Cope: two easy ways: pilot-link, which I've been using on and off since 1999 or so, and put the stuff on an SD card |
| 23:48.36 | Leeds | SD cards are *unbelievably* cheap nowadays - I bought an 8GB card for less than 20 quid a few weeks ago |
| 23:48.52 | Cope | i don't think i've ever tried to get the treo to talk to a computer |
| 23:49.01 | Leeds | so you've never backed it up? |
| 23:49.09 | Cope | no |
| 23:49.12 | Leeds | hope you have all your phone numbers stored elsewhere... |
| 23:50.08 | Cope | all that count i do |
| 23:50.08 | Cope | yes |
| 23:50.28 | Cope | i'd like it if the computer talked to the treo |
| 23:50.34 | Leeds | well, if you want a lesson sometime convenient, let me know |
| 23:50.37 | Cope | especially for eg using te notes |
| 23:50.48 | Leeds | memos? no problem |
| 23:50.53 | Cope | and syncing / backing up the calendar |
| 23:51.07 | Leeds | calendar is a little more complicated, but not terribly |
| 23:51.08 | Cope | it would be really ace if i could get the calendar to sync with google |
| 23:51.22 | Leeds | in 2000 I did a little hacking on this stuff - that's how long it's been around and working for :-) |
| 23:51.29 | Cope | grins. |
| 23:52.12 | Leeds | do you have pilot-link installed? |
| 23:52.22 | Cope | definitely not |
| 23:52.31 | Leeds | so install it... |
| 23:54.40 | Cope | installed |
| 23:55.00 | Leeds | the other essential thing... is your hotsync cable |
| 23:55.04 | Cope | (actually it was already there!) |
| 23:55.21 | Cope | scrubs around in a cupboard. |
| 23:57.28 | Cope | got it |
| 23:58.13 | Cope | i plugged it in |
| 23:58.29 | Leeds | I assume that's an official cable, so it has the hotsync button on it? |
| 23:58.34 | Cope | yes |
| 23:58.55 | Cope | i press the button |
| 23:59.02 | Leeds | press the button... look for the hotsync application to start running on your Treo, and look for something in the logs on your PC |
| 23:59.39 | Cope | i see stuff |
| 23:59.52 | Cope | attached to ttyUSB[10] |
| 23:59.58 | Leeds | fancy cut'n'pasting the stuff? |
