| 00:00.04 | Cope | sure |
| 00:00.31 | Leeds | actually, it doesn't matter so much |
| 00:01.03 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: usb 2-2: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 2 |
| 00:01.06 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: usb 2-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 00:01.08 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usbserial |
| 00:01.11 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for generic |
| 00:01.11 | Leeds | it's always slightly disconcerting when one goes to download a radio show, and it happens so fast that you miss the download happening |
| 00:01.14 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: usbcore: registered new driver usbserial_generic |
| 00:01.17 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core |
| 00:01.23 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Handspring Visor / Palm OS |
| 00:01.24 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Sony Clie 3.5 |
| 00:01.27 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for Sony Clie 5.0 |
| 00:01.31 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: visor 2-2:1.0: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter detected |
| 00:01.34 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB0 |
| 00:01.37 | Cope | Apr 1 00:54:39 gavial kernel: usb 2-2: Handspring Visor / Palm OS converter now attached to ttyUSB1 |
| 00:01.40 | Cope | heh |
| 00:01.43 | Leeds | okay, that looks good |
| 00:01.46 | Cope | anyway, so the treo says: the connection couldnt' be established |
| 00:01.48 | Cope | check my config |
| 00:02.00 | Leeds | right, because you need to actually run some software on the PC |
| 00:02.40 | Cope | aha |
| 00:02.45 | Leeds | are /dev/ttyUSB[10] persistent, or do they get created when you hit the button? i.e. are they there now? |
| 00:03.17 | Cope | # ls -l /dev/ttyUSB[01] |
| 00:03.17 | Cope | crw------- 1 stephen uucp 188, 0 Apr 1 00:57 /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 00:03.17 | Cope | crw-rw---- 1 root uucp 188, 1 Apr 1 00:57 /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 00:03.30 | Leeds | okay... |
| 00:04.23 | Leeds | type "install-user -p /dev/ttyUSB0" but don't hit return... hit the hotsync button, wait for the Treo to try to connect, then run that command |
| 00:05.19 | Cope | it asks me to press the button |
| 00:05.37 | Leeds | what does? |
| 00:05.48 | Cope | the install-user command |
| 00:06.01 | Cope | it says: |
| 00:06.06 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.07 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.37 | Leeds | okay, a little bit of background for you |
| 00:06.52 | Leeds | there are two Palm USB drivers - one in the kernel, one in userspace, using libusb |
| 00:07.25 | Cope | nods |
| 00:07.27 | Leeds | the kernel one, which is the one you are trying to use, unfortunately creates two ttyUSB devices, and it's a bit random which one you need to use... also, you need to get the timing somewhat correct |
| 00:07.30 | Cope | ( Error read system info on /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 00:07.32 | Cope | ) |
| 00:07.50 | Leeds | the userspace one is faster and simpler, but less well supported - or at least less widely |
| 00:08.15 | Leeds | anyway, I want you to try the same thing again, using ttyUSB1 |
| 00:08.26 | Cope | okay |
| 00:08.38 | Cope | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:08.41 | Cope | immediately |
| 00:09.05 | Leeds | you can only connect to the treo while the hotsync is running |
| 00:09.22 | Cope | it is trying |
| 00:09.27 | Leeds | to be honest, I tend to use the SD card method nowadays... |
| 00:09.47 | Leeds | anyway... |
| 00:09.49 | Cope | nods |
| 00:09.58 | Leeds | okay, let's brute-force it |
| 00:10.01 | Cope | still, would be ace to get the two synced |
| 00:10.35 | Leeds | don't run the install-user until the Treo is actively trying to connect - but run it *twice*, so you have one instance for each possible port :-) |
| 00:12.04 | Leeds | incidentally, I'm sure you know/guessed, but you don't need to use the hard button to start the hotsync - you can hit the big on-screen button instead |
| 00:12.21 | Cope | ok. it says it is connected on the pc side |
| 00:12.37 | Cope | on 1 |
| 00:12.51 | Cope | the phone doesn't agree |
| 00:12.54 | Cope | yet |
| 00:13.15 | Leeds | install-user doesn't do very much - all it does is read or set the registered username on the Treo, which tends to be used as the identifier for generating registration codes for shareware |
| 00:13.23 | Cope | ok |
| 00:14.26 | Cope | ok it grumbled and died on the phone side |
| 00:14.27 | Leeds | so the PC thinks it's connected, but the treo disagrees? |
| 00:15.39 | Leeds | oh well... |
| 00:16.17 | Leeds | try running "pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB1 -b <backupdir> " - just for a laugh, run it before you start the hotsync |
| 00:16.24 | Leeds | it'll create the backupdir if it doesn't exist |
| 00:19.52 | Cope | it said: |
| 00:22.43 | Cope | [root@gavial ~]# /usr/bin/pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB1 -b /home/stephen/foo |
| 00:22.43 | Cope | Listening to port: /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 00:22.43 | Cope | Please press the HotSync button now... Connected |
| 00:22.43 | Cope | Error read system info on /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 00:22.43 | Cope | [root@gavial ~]# /usr/bin/pilot-xfer -p /dev/ttyUSB1 -b /home/stephen/foo |
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| 00:22.45 | Cope | Listening to port: /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 00:22.48 | Cope | Please press the HotSync button now... Error accepting data on /dev/ttyUSB1 |
| 00:23.03 | Cope | i need to get to bed, but i'd like to try again another time :) |
| 00:27.23 | Leeds | okay, sure - we should try the user-space driver some time |
| 00:27.43 | Leeds | sleep well :-) |
| 00:27.48 | Leeds | hmm... did BST happen? |
| 00:29.03 | Nafallo | Tue Apr 1 01:29:03 BST 2008 |
| 00:29.58 | Leeds | thanks |
| 06:11.48 | etorix | http://petermerel.newsvine.com/_news/2008/03/31/1399411-melting-ice-shelf-exposes-ancient-antarctic-city |
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| 11:27.05 | mikejw | is loving' Gentoo the more I use it :D |
| 11:27.24 | mikejw | *lovin' *he uses ig |
| 11:27.27 | mikejw | *it |
| 11:27.32 | wethrin | strange fellow :) |
| 11:27.44 | mikejw | wethrin: hey there you are |
| 11:27.54 | mikejw | d'ya have a good day yesterday? |
| 11:28.05 | wethrin | I did. I had whisky. |
| 11:28.10 | wethrin | And got an oscilloscope. |
| 11:28.24 | mikejw | cool :D |
| 11:32.11 | antiphase | Dual trace CRT? |
| 11:33.24 | wethrin | It has two inputs. I've not had a chance to study the front panel properly |
| 11:33.37 | wethrin | It's not a storage scope, though |
| 11:33.46 | wethrin | 100MHz, so not too shabby |
| 11:33.55 | antiphase | Better than a poke in the eye |
| 11:33.58 | wethrin | Indeed |
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| 12:25.15 | ElPenguin | http://digg.com/comedy/Spoonfed_Fun_Forecast Please digg and/or watch this. it's very londonish |
| 12:26.40 | antiphase | It's all pink |
| 12:26.54 | ElPenguin | so is the website. not my choice |
| 12:33.49 | gregj | http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=0AYvD6sLdeQ |
| 12:34.00 | gregj | geniune kick ass |
| 12:34.07 | wethrin | hi gregj |
| 12:34.17 | gregj | yellow |
| 12:34.26 | wethrin | how's life? |
| 12:34.58 | gregj | did you guys heard, that microsoft publicly apologised for screwing up their clients, and bribing politicians Today |
| 12:35.04 | gregj | good, busy as hell |
| 12:35.27 | gregj | if that project won't bring money, it will mean - me in UK again |
| 12:35.28 | gregj | :) |
| 12:35.40 | wethrin | :) |
| 12:35.44 | wethrin | So you're still in .pl, then? |
| 12:36.07 | gregj | yup, just installed new blindings upstairs |
| 12:36.24 | gregj | I can sit behind me desk in daylight , and it won't burn me eye |
| 12:36.30 | wethrin | yay |
| 12:36.37 | gregj | ;] |
| 12:36.56 | gregj | aye |
| 12:37.36 | gregj | and here's how I've spent Saturday evening last weekend ;) |
| 12:37.37 | gregj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NyZB3NUbD8&feature=PlayList&p=8ADD83B16B6993FA&index=3 |
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| 12:38.38 | dick_turpin | window hide 4 |
| 12:38.47 | gregj | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:38.55 | dick_turpin | Oops |
| 12:38.59 | gregj | spoo |
| 12:41.09 | wethrin | Is there something dodgy in your window 4 that you need to hide it from us? |
| 12:41.30 | dick_turpin | wethrin: My hopes and dreams |
| 12:41.33 | gregj | ;] |
| 12:41.46 | gregj | you should not hide it than |
| 12:41.52 | wethrin | Have they not been shattered yet? |
| 12:41.58 | gregj | face it, and amke your way towards it |
| 12:42.20 | dick_turpin | Yes 40 minutes in here will do that for you :) |
| 12:42.31 | wethrin | Indeed |
| 12:43.43 | dick_turpin | twiddles his thumbs |
| 12:44.47 | gregj | ;] |
| 12:52.36 | dick_turpin | wonders if there is a way to create a single feed that collects every single 'planet' feed |
| 12:53.14 | wethrin | Doesn't planet re-export its stuff as RSS feeds? |
| 12:54.23 | dick_turpin | Yes but rather than having single 'planets' e.g. planet suse planet fedora just one single location |
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| 12:57.30 | wethrin | Just set up a Planet Planet |
| 12:58.37 | dick_turpin | H'm thats what I thought, I have an idea, somewhere in me nether regions, but its probably crap |
| 12:59.53 | antiphase | You should have tried to hold on a bit longer |
| 12:59.57 | Nafallo | /nick Nafallo-THM |
| 13:00.55 | dick_turpin | antiphase: I was, can you not see the bite marks in the desk? |
| 13:02.11 | antiphase | /nick WhoUses/AwayAnyway |
| 13:02.15 | antiphase | Oops |
| 13:02.37 | dick_turpin | antiphase: copy cat |
| 13:02.54 | Nafallo | that wasn't an away. that was an NafalloOnHighSpeedConnection nick ;-) |
| 13:03.18 | wethrin | Because a high-speed connection makes *so* much difference to IRC... |
| 13:03.38 | Nafallo | wethrin: well, this server is always on a high-speed connection ;-) |
| 13:03.50 | wethrin | mmm. :) |
| 13:04.08 | Nafallo | was more to let hali know I'm around though :-P |
| 13:04.28 | wethrin | is that easier than saying "hali: I'm around!"? :) |
| 13:04.43 | hali | i have to babysit some colt blokes |
| 13:04.44 | Nafallo | wethrin: naah. just more geeky ;-) |
| 13:04.50 | Nafallo | hali: haha |
| 13:04.51 | antiphase | I always consider IRC to be asynchronous, which is why people have away logs |
| 13:04.53 | wethrin | ferrnuff |
| 13:06.19 | Nafallo | antiphase: I'm around the building where hali is presumably ;-) |
| 13:10.27 | hali | where is that? |
| 13:10.53 | hali | clifton street? |
| 13:11.06 | hali | im about 2 minutes away |
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| 13:23.00 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: You old queen |
| 13:23.54 | boudiccas | dick_turpin; not at the moment, i've just had to swap a monitor because the old one was going on the fritz and am still sorting out the new one |
| 13:24.48 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Sorting out? just plug the bloody thing in girl |
| 13:25.45 | boudiccas | display needs to be aligned proplery |
| 13:26.17 | boudiccas | andnow i need to put stuff back that i shifted to get the old one out and the new one in |
| 13:26.50 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: Huh the moniter I have now has no stand and is supported by two Laptop fdd drives |
| 13:27.10 | dick_turpin | The monitor opposite me has a smashed casing |
| 13:27.38 | dick_turpin | The only decent one is in reception |
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| 14:22.09 | rhowe_ | afternoon |
| 14:27.02 | wethrin | hi rh-work |
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| 14:34.21 | secretlondon | hi |
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| 14:42.00 | dick_turpin | April fool http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/20080401_virgle.html |
| 14:46.04 | secretlondon | this is poor http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/01/jimmy_wales_resigns_from_wikipedia/ |
| 14:56.19 | rh-work | hm, any CVS gurus handy? |
| 14:58.01 | wethrin | No, but the manual is online :) |
| 14:58.08 | rh-work | heh, git |
| 14:58.23 | wethrin | You could use git, yes :) |
| 14:58.33 | wethrin | You could ask the question, though... |
| 14:59.02 | rh-work | I've got a repository with some subdirectories |
| 14:59.08 | rh-work | website/apache and website/java |
| 14:59.45 | rh-work | I want to split it into two repositories, website-java and website-apache |
| 14:59.56 | rh-work | but if possible, retain the version history |
| 15:00.13 | wethrin | ugh |
| 15:00.26 | rh-work | Yeah, that's what I thought you'd say :) |
| 15:00.36 | wethrin | Can you create two new repositories, then copy the appropriate files *within* the repository? |
| 15:00.42 | dick_turpin | wethrin: You seem a bit techy today? |
| 15:00.46 | rh-work | If it's nontrivial, then I'll just checkout and then import |
| 15:00.52 | wethrin | I'm always techy! |
| 15:01.08 | wethrin | At least, that's what I'd try |
| 15:01.19 | wethrin | Checking out and importing would work, but you'd lose the history |
| 15:02.07 | rh-work | wethrin: *nod* |
| 15:02.09 | dick_turpin | thinks wethrin is a wonderful person with a rare gift, diplomacy :-P |
| 15:02.19 | wethrin | Diplomacy is overrated :) |
| 15:02.24 | rh-work | wethrin: I don't really care so much - the history is there in the other repository, which can stick around |
| 15:02.35 | rh-work | wethrin: It just won't look as good in statcvs output :) |
| 15:02.48 | rh-work | Maybe I'll ask at Flag & Bell tonight |
| 15:03.10 | wethrin | mm, free beer |
| 15:03.16 | rh-work | wethrin: I could always massively abuse the branching features of CVS, I suppose :P |
| 15:03.25 | rh-work | wethrin: an 'apache' branch and a 'java' branch :) |
| 15:03.27 | wethrin | But, anyway. Try just copying the files in the repository |
| 15:03.29 | wethrin | yuck! |
| 15:03.40 | wethrin | cp -a /home/cvs/apache/java /home/cvs/apache-java |
| 15:03.53 | rh-work | hmm |
| 15:04.02 | rh-work | how much harm can it do, I guess :) |
| 15:04.17 | wethrin | You may need to edit the cvs moduleinfo file in the CVSROOT repository |
| 15:05.29 | rh-work | heh, whaddya know, it works? |
| 15:05.36 | wethrin | bows |
| 15:07.23 | rh-work | well, checkout and log both worked |
| 15:07.29 | rh-work | What else do you need? :)_ |
| 15:08.47 | wethrin | not much :) |
| 15:13.00 | rh-work | Now I can load my Java webapp into an IDE |
| 15:13.03 | rh-work | and see what it makes of it |
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| 15:16.22 | mikejw_ | rh-work: you mean emacs? |
| 15:19.47 | rh-work | heh, er, yeah ;) |
| 15:20.20 | rh-work | not eclipse or netbeans, oh no :) |
| 15:22.40 | mikejw_ | :D |
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| 16:19.29 | Leeds | my tax stuff is finally bloody sorted |
| 16:20.05 | boudiccas | Leeds; ah, but. you enjoyed the challenge really :) |
| 16:20.32 | Leeds | bloody nightmare it was |
| 16:20.44 | Leeds | I first submitted the form in January 2007 |
| 16:20.50 | Leeds | it was approved a couple of weeks ago |
| 16:21.16 | Leeds | and they wonder why people try to screw the taxman |
| 16:22.59 | Leeds | when I saw the letter, I was dreading opening it, seeing they'd rejected me again |
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| 17:15.20 | hali | the fox? |
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| 18:04.38 | AndyMillar | hali: is accross the road from me |
| 18:04.47 | AndyMillar | and is an annoying organic gastropub |
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| 18:38.35 | secretlondon | morsing! |
| 18:38.51 | secretlondon | oh he's\not even here, no benefit to getting in first |
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| 19:21.37 | Discordian | Good evening |
| 19:22.37 | etorix | hmm .. new red baron film |
| 19:22.41 | etorix | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJghJNAjc1k |
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| 20:47.37 | jpatrick | evening secretlondon |
| 20:47.51 | secretlondon | hi jpatrick |
| 21:02.58 | hali | AndyMillar: fuck off, i work in that building |
| 21:03.04 | hali | AndyMillar: i work on paul street |
| 21:03.27 | hali | AndyMillar: it's a shit pub yes, but beer is still beer :) |
| 21:16.57 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 21:17.00 | AndyMillar | different pub then :p |
| 21:21.10 | hali | must be, i work in the building across the street from a pub called The Fox :) |
| 21:22.05 | AndyMillar | bah, i've forgotten where you work (what part of london :p) |
| 21:24.33 | AndyMillar | http://blog.drinsama.de/erich/en/linux/debian/2008040101-renaming-directories.html |
| 21:24.39 | AndyMillar | does it really matter what they're called? |
| 21:25.00 | AndyMillar | oh |
| 21:25.00 | AndyMillar | nm |
| 21:25.08 | AndyMillar | the date today is a shit one |
| 21:25.25 | AndyMillar | i have just been informed of my shitness |
| 21:29.18 | hali | i work just north of liverpool st |
| 21:30.16 | hali | wtf, ubuntu is adopting "broken" |
| 21:30.26 | hali | what's wrong with /usr |
| 21:30.44 | AndyMillar | hali: dalston north, or less north? |
| 21:31.31 | Nafallo | AndyMillar: think datacentres ;-) |
| 21:31.45 | AndyMillar | Nafallo: ah, so old street way :) |
| 21:32.09 | Nafallo | AndyMillar: Clifton Street actually :-) |
| 21:32.14 | hali | less north, like 4 minutes north of old street |
| 21:32.17 | hali | yes |
| 21:32.31 | hali | hm, south of old street! |
| 21:32.34 | AndyMillar | well, i live about 10 mins from where you work ;) |
| 21:32.42 | hali | between old street and liverpool street |
| 21:33.02 | hali | and i live 10 mins in the other direction... down towards the river |
| 21:33.07 | AndyMillar | what dc? |
| 21:33.10 | hali | lives and works and will probably die in zone 1 |
| 21:33.13 | hali | telehouse |
| 21:33.33 | hali | old school |
| 21:33.33 | Nafallo | and CLL |
| 21:33.39 | Nafallo | also, IOM |
| 21:33.39 | hali | where is CLL? |
| 21:33.48 | hali | and where is IOM? |
| 21:34.01 | AndyMillar | Nafallo: i know there's about 6 around there :) |
| 21:34.01 | hali | INX isn't far either |
| 21:34.06 | Nafallo | hali: further up from THM, on the other side of the road for CLL. IOM is a street away I think. |
| 21:34.18 | Nafallo | AndyMillar: I know about three of them then. |
| 21:34.37 | hali | l3 is just up the road too, almost |
| 21:34.44 | AndyMillar | level3 have one around the corner |
| 21:34.54 | AndyMillar | there's NDR (hardly a DC, but it kinda counts) there as well |
| 21:34.54 | Nafallo | AndyMillar: if you don't mean in a broader sense, then I know about 6 too ;-) |
| 21:35.03 | hali | and hmm, is it globix that's in moorgate? |
| 21:35.11 | AndyMillar | i mean within 5 mins(ish) of oldstreet |
| 21:35.27 | Nafallo | THM, CLL, IOM, GOS, BRA and INX :-) |
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| 23:35.30 | Discordian | Hi |
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