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| 03:10.01 | Discordian | Re |
| 03:10.34 | secretlondon | hi |
| 03:11.10 | Discordian | reads LWN |
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| 03:16.18 | Discordian | wb |
| 03:19.37 | Discordian | wishes that dashboard had actually emerged |
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| 07:41.01 | Blapto | Mornin all |
| 07:47.43 | secretlondon | ello |
| 07:48.03 | Blapto | how's it going? |
| 07:51.41 | secretlondon | okay have a job interview tomorrow |
| 07:51.53 | secretlondon | doing stuff for google summer of code for tux4kids |
| 07:52.04 | secretlondon | and for ubuntu |
| 07:52.12 | Blapto | Oh, interesting. No luck with the local gov. work? |
| 07:52.27 | secretlondon | no, it all seems to be through agencies |
| 07:52.43 | secretlondon | I've signed up with all the agencies.. |
| 07:53.15 | Blapto | I imagine a lot of those jobs are filled before they even get advertised. |
| 07:58.06 | z00dax | woo! nice day out |
| 07:58.28 | z00dax | if only I'd live closer than 22 miles from work, I'd even consider cycling into work today |
| 08:00.34 | secretlondon | does look shiny out |
| 08:00.43 | Blapto | In a Dutch conference room all day here |
| 08:01.04 | secretlondon | the workshop I was supposed to have at 10pm has been cancelled |
| 08:01.07 | secretlondon | 10am |
| 08:01.29 | secretlondon | got a mtg at 11.30, and a thing to do with the org to go to this evening |
| 08:01.32 | jpatrick | morning |
| 08:03.46 | z00dax | jpatrick: hi |
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| 08:12.09 | Axel | morning all |
| 08:12.24 | Blapto | Morning Axel |
| 08:12.32 | Axel | :) |
| 08:16.44 | z00dax | Axel: hi |
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| 09:04.40 | kjalil | hmm, I have 4 people using a remote server over ssh/sftp and every few days the server ends up with hundreds of ssh processes and can no longer create *any* new processes. Any ideas what may be happening? this is on osx server |
| 09:05.02 | wethrin | They're not disconnecting properly? |
| 09:05.11 | wethrin | Maybe you need to set ssh timeouts? |
| 09:05.20 | Blapto | I don't remember OS X well, but sounds like you're hitting some sort of ulimit at the end. |
| 09:05.21 | kjalil | wethrin: they're using jedit remotely to edit webpages only |
| 09:05.34 | kjalil | Blapto: yes, but the processes should go away properly. |
| 09:05.36 | Blapto | Well, if they're all using the same client... |
| 09:05.36 | wethrin | Oh. jedit's probably doing something stupid, then |
| 09:05.39 | kjalil | maybe a jedit bug? |
| 09:05.44 | Blapto | See if you can reproduce it with jedit? |
| 09:05.53 | wethrin | Sounds like it's not disconnecting sessions, but just making new ones |
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| 09:06.19 | kjalil | hmm, will try |
| 09:06.52 | kjalil | wethrin: unfortunately, when I ask them to do what they normally do, i.e. connect/disconnect with jedit, the processes *do* vanish! |
| 09:07.07 | wethrin | Odd |
| 09:07.18 | kjalil | wethrin: maybe they just close the window, so jedit doesn't disconnect in that case |
| 09:07.24 | wethrin | possibly |
| 09:07.31 | kjalil | wethrin: maybe some idiot is running a fork bomb, I have to find out |
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| 09:08.11 | AndyMillar | kjalil: sed a nice low ulimit for the users? |
| 09:08.29 | AndyMillar | and give yourself a bigger on |
| 09:08.31 | AndyMillar | one* |
| 09:08.52 | kjalil | AndyMillar: yeah I will look into it. I assume osx calls it ulimits too? |
| 09:09.00 | wethrin | yarr |
| 09:09.07 | AndyMillar | no idea |
| 09:09.16 | Blapto | Looks like they do |
| 09:09.20 | kjalil | it's just bsd based, will find out |
| 09:09.34 | Blapto | and /etc/sysctl.conf even |
| 09:09.36 | Blapto | http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=200311151254441 |
| 09:09.44 | Blapto | (though that's quite an old article) |
| 09:10.01 | kjalil | Blapto: thank you :) |
| 09:10.34 | Blapto | I don't think that decreasing the procs per user will help, as sshd runs as root anyway |
| 09:11.00 | AndyMillar | doesn't it setuid to the user logging in? |
| 09:11.29 | Blapto | Ah perhaps |
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| 09:14.45 | kjalil | AndyMillar: yes, if I kill all the ssh processes left over belonging to 'user', everything goes back to normal |
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| 09:20.06 | wethrin | hello ElPenguin |
| 09:21.57 | ElPenguin | hi wethrin |
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| 10:23.50 | bilarh | morning |
| 10:24.17 | dick_turpin | bilarh: You wobble bottom, hows things? |
| 10:24.23 | bilarh | yeah they're ok |
| 10:24.28 | bilarh | i'm in crawley at the moment though |
| 10:24.35 | bilarh | for the whole week :-# |
| 10:24.41 | bilarh | :-\ even |
| 10:24.44 | bilarh | stupid british keyboard |
| 10:25.07 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Bloody foreigner |
| 10:25.58 | dick_turpin | chucks a keyboard with mystic rune symbols on the keys at bilarh |
| 10:37.49 | bilarh | ah, i used to have one of them as a little viking-kid |
| 10:38.24 | ElPenguin | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/08/church_of_scientology_contacts_wikileaks/ |
| 10:38.27 | bilarh | reminds me of all the pillaging, robbing and raping we used to do as kids *sigh* |
| 10:39.33 | bilarh | of course, we viewed ourselves as businessmen... |
| 10:44.10 | dick_turpin | canvasses #gllug members to join him in throwing lighted fire torches on bilarh |
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| 11:45.08 | kjalil | umm, for some reason my hostname has an alias? is this a debian default? how do I remove it? |
| 11:45.28 | boudiccas | you have to go to brazil now to get the famous lighted torch, aka the olympic flame |
| 11:46.24 | dick_turpin | bilarh: A box of swan vesta will probably do |
| 11:46.38 | dick_turpin | hahha |
| 11:46.48 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: that was meant for you |
| 11:54.39 | boudiccas | what do i want a box of swan vestas for? |
| 11:55.14 | boudiccas | anyway, lifeboat matches are far better |
| 11:55.39 | dick_turpin | boudiccas: To burn bilarh with, bloody viking |
| 11:56.09 | boudiccas | too many Henriks here, i cant keep tabs on them all... all two of them |
| 12:01.48 | bilarh | there's never too many henrik's |
| 12:07.30 | bilarh | jeez |
| 12:07.42 | boudiccas | :) |
| 12:07.52 | bilarh | if i average 35mpg, i will spend 1965 a year to get to work :( |
| 12:08.03 | bilarh | if i average 25, i'll spend 3013 :( |
| 12:08.07 | dick_turpin | bilarh: Possibly 1 too many then? ;-) |
| 12:08.34 | bilarh | boudiccas: you need multithreaded tabs |
| 12:08.48 | bilarh | now, my wife keeps complaining about me racking up the miles on her car |
| 12:09.07 | bilarh | driving the subaru will cost me roughly 5k a year probably at least in running costs |
| 12:09.10 | bilarh | feck me |
| 12:09.17 | bilarh | 5k a year is like 400 quid a month *eeeek* |
| 12:09.33 | bilarh | i should get rid, shouldn't i? :( |
| 12:09.55 | hali | skoda ftw |
| 12:10.10 | bilarh | starts sobbing uncontrollably |
| 12:10.42 | hali | just consider what else you could do with those 5k |
| 12:10.53 | hali | if you can't think of anything more "fun" then keep it |
| 12:11.10 | hali | it's a toy car really, so think of it as 2k running cost + 3k entertainment :) |
| 12:11.15 | bilarh | -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 2821798455 Apr 8 13:55 largefile |
| 12:11.24 | bilarh | erm |
| 12:11.32 | bilarh | that wasn't supposed to be pasted |
| 12:11.49 | bilarh | well, if i run a cheap car that does 35mpg (what i'm getting in the clio now) |
| 12:11.53 | bilarh | then it will still cost me 3k |
| 12:12.02 | bilarh | incl ins and service |
| 12:13.21 | bilarh | if i add in amounts for servicing, tyres, road tax etc i come up with 6013 for the subaru |
| 12:13.31 | bilarh | and 3165 for the clio |
| 12:13.44 | bilarh | it's a massive difference |
| 12:13.50 | bilarh | i didn't realise it was that bad |
| 12:14.18 | bilarh | and, that's assuming i can get insured for under 2k |
| 12:14.21 | bilarh | on the subaru |
| 12:14.43 | bilarh | fucking shite, i think sums the whole situation up accurately |
| 12:14.48 | bilarh | driving to work sucks |
| 12:15.40 | hali | yes |
| 12:15.52 | hali | get a scooter? |
| 12:16.46 | bilarh | and drive 60 miles per day on the motorway :S |
| 12:17.09 | hali | blimey didn't know it was that far |
| 12:17.13 | hali | work from home more |
| 12:17.27 | bilarh | it's 30 miles each way |
| 12:17.45 | hali | ah, that's not too bad then, except for the motorway bit |
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| 12:31.53 | hali | who was it here who worked for a computer builder? |
| 12:34.03 | AndyMillar | bilarh: buy a proper motorbike then ;) |
| 12:34.47 | bilarh | andymillar: yeah, going on the m25 on a bike is going to go down a treat with the missus |
| 12:35.30 | boudiccas | bilarh; put a sidecar on and you can take her too :) |
| 12:39.11 | bilarh | hehe |
| 12:39.18 | bilarh | hrm |
| 12:39.28 | bilarh | a season ticket will cost 3460 quid |
| 12:39.36 | bilarh | but that will take at least 50% longer |
| 12:39.40 | bilarh | arse |
| 12:40.14 | bilarh | it's crazy, i'd have to go into victoria, from bromley, back out to gatwick |
| 12:40.28 | hali | giant slingshot? |
| 12:42.22 | antiphase | Move house |
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| 12:42.28 | bilarh | and then one fateful morning there will be a gust of wind, pushing me off the pre-determined flight path, and instead of landing in the safety net, i'll splash against the concrete next to it, narrowly missing the newly planted flowers and shrubs :( |
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| 12:42.52 | bilarh | antiphase: can't - mrs works in london, and we both kind of like bromley anyway |
| 12:43.19 | antiphase | You're paying for liking Bromley then, so you have nothing to moan about :P |
| 12:43.33 | bilarh | no but it's not :) |
| 12:43.39 | bilarh | stop making things simple, damnit :) |
| 12:43.51 | bilarh | this is *my* moan session, so you just sit there and STFU ;-) |
| 12:43.55 | hali | bilarh: besides, isn't your new office in some really shit area so moving there wouldn't be very nice? :) |
| 12:44.04 | bilarh | yeah :) |
| 12:44.24 | bilarh | crawley is fairly grim, i think it's fair to say |
| 12:44.58 | hali | yes, a friend of mine lives in crawley |
| 12:45.04 | hali | she's not overly pleased :) |
| 12:46.29 | catalyst | used to live near crawley |
| 12:49.34 | catalyst | it was alright :o |
| 12:49.42 | catalyst | then again, I was about 10 |
| 12:51.26 | bilarh | it's probably not too bad, but it just looks rough :) |
| 12:52.01 | bilarh | the good news is, for the first year they'll pay my increase in commuting costs |
| 12:52.06 | bilarh | in the second, they'll pay half |
| 12:52.24 | bilarh | and hopefully, after that i can get a clio sport or something for a fiver and have something fast *and* fun :) |
| 12:52.31 | bilarh | fastish, i mean |
| 12:56.12 | boudiccas | get a mountain bike and get fit |
| 12:56.43 | boudiccas | hey, you could even /run/ both ways |
| 12:57.06 | boudiccas | nah, that last idea sounds like too much work |
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| 13:05.18 | bilarh | definitely, i could probably run it in 10 days |
| 13:05.22 | bilarh | but every day :S |
| 13:05.59 | boudiccas | but you'd be too knackered at the other ned to actually do a days work |
| 13:06.04 | boudiccas | *end |
| 13:07.17 | bilarh | mm |
| 13:13.11 | flips_and_rails | is anyone here working at google? |
| 13:13.30 | wethrin | I don't believe so |
| 13:13.55 | flips_and_rails | any ideas as to where I could find someone who is? |
| 13:14.07 | flips_and_rails | other than google offices ;-) |
| 13:14.08 | wethrin | #debian, probably :) |
| 13:14.27 | flips_and_rails | ok, cool, cheers :) |
| 13:14.29 | wethrin | Anyone in particular you want? |
| 13:14.40 | flips_and_rails | nope, just after an employee |
| 13:15.32 | Leeds | what for? |
| 13:16.05 | wethrin | Try someone with the nickname 'Stewie' - he's a Googler who currently works in Switzerland |
| 13:16.08 | Leeds | I know someone in #python who works there |
| 13:16.33 | Leeds | he's been enjoying himself a bit this week, talking about the google app engine :-) |
| 13:22.03 | flips_and_rails | cool, thanks :) |
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| 13:22.34 | Leeds | flips_and_rails: so... what for? |
| 13:23.00 | flips_and_rails | to ask what its like working for them |
| 13:24.45 | Leeds | planning to apply? |
| 13:24.59 | flips_and_rails | not sure |
| 13:25.34 | flips_and_rails | they always appear at my uni on recruitment drives, they haven't always inspired on the talks they give when they do |
| 13:26.41 | wethrin | Well, they never seem to do much work |
| 13:26.49 | flips_and_rails | i can't find anything on pay or benefits either |
| 13:27.01 | Leeds | good and good, I think |
| 13:27.07 | secretlondon | they are advertising on gmail for mobile phone people |
| 13:27.50 | bilarh | leeds: i'm not so sure... it seems to me that many companies that are "cool" to work for don't pay that much in salary |
| 13:28.45 | Leeds | bilarh: good, but not great, I think |
| 13:29.36 | flips_and_rails | yes, the things I can see on the net seem to suggest not so great pay but you work for a "cool" company |
| 13:30.12 | Leeds | that sort of thing can be different in different countries as well |
| 13:31.57 | flips_and_rails | well if given the choice of oil companies or google??? |
| 13:32.17 | wethrin | Oil companies have lots of fun big machines |
| 13:32.26 | wethrin | Google's just got an arseload of PCs |
| 13:33.17 | Leeds | and good food, allegedly |
| 13:33.57 | antiphase | Google Crapp Engine will probably be the same as EC2; not used by anyone that cares about uptime or throughput |
| 13:35.05 | flips_and_rails | yes, i hear the food is good, encourages people to live at work |
| 13:38.42 | flips_and_rails | i think i have found something that isn't on the internet! |
| 13:38.56 | wethrin | Oh no! |
| 13:39.14 | flips_and_rails | it can't be possible surely ;-) |
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| 13:40.01 | wethrin | well, y'never know |
| 14:07.12 | Leeds | flips_and_rails: you did get my message, right? |
| 14:08.40 | flips_and_rails | Leeds: just did, sorry, completely missed it |
| 14:08.53 | flips_and_rails | Leeds: have more tabs than window space |
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| 15:06.34 | hali | bilarh: you still there? |
| 15:07.01 | hali | bilarh: checkout kittens.jamespo.org.uk |
| 15:07.05 | hali | it's quite cute |
| 15:15.30 | bilarh | hali: hrm, i might check it out from home |
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| 15:32.22 | kjalil | hmm, if you connect to a machine locally using it's *proper* IP address instead of *localhost*, I don't think the traffic ever reaches the physical network, does it? I assume it goes a few layers down in the stack only? |
| 15:33.23 | bilarh | kjalil: correct |
| 15:34.26 | kjalil | bilarh: hmm, ok, so is there a reason using localhost is safer than just using the IP? I'm asking because we have an apache server that listens *only* on the IP address and we need to write a script that runs locally |
| 15:34.44 | kjalil | bilarh: safer in terms of more secure? |
| 15:36.02 | bilarh | well, i presume not |
| 15:36.13 | bilarh | i mean if you're listening on localhost you can be sure that the request is coming from the local machine |
| 15:36.29 | cpufreak | hmm |
| 15:36.32 | cpufreak | anyone know RT, here? |
| 15:36.40 | bilarh | i used to run it |
| 15:36.44 | bilarh | request tracker, yes? |
| 15:36.51 | bilarh | from best practical? |
| 15:36.57 | cpufreak | yes. |
| 15:37.03 | bilarh | wot about it? |
| 15:37.09 | cpufreak | should the sessions table, assuming no current sessions, as apache + exim both shut down |
| 15:37.15 | cpufreak | really contain a few million rows? |
| 15:37.27 | bilarh | don't know, never had any problems with it |
| 15:37.51 | kjalil | bilarh: hmm, I can't change the apache config. We are trying to use the script to access something at http://localhost obviously. If the traffic never leaves the machine, why would it be less secure? |
| 15:38.33 | bilarh | kjalil: that's what i'm saying, in theory it wouldn't, but if you're listening to localhost you don't need to make sure you're connecting from the host if you see what i mean |
| 15:38.43 | bilarh | as in, if you listen on the public interface, you need to check the source ip |
| 15:39.48 | kjalil | bilarh: ah. well i guess the only way to do that in apache would be to use a firewall to make sure connections are from the same machine. |
| 15:40.08 | bilarh | don't you get a source ip in your env variables? ;-) |
| 15:40.31 | bilarh | is it a cgi, php etc script? |
| 15:40.37 | kjalil | bilarh: ah, you mean check the _GET or something in the target |
| 15:40.59 | kjalil | bilarh: yeah I will ask the *developer* that :-) it is an option. thanks. |
| 15:41.43 | bilarh | http://hoohoo.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi/env.html |
| 15:43.35 | kjalil | bilarh: yes it's php. I'm sure the dev knows how to get the IP. It's probably there in the request headers somewhere |
| 15:44.34 | bilarh | ok |
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| 15:47.04 | sayers | Hi greater london |
| 15:47.22 | AndyMillar | hello |
| 15:48.16 | sayers | thought this would've been Greater Lansing lug :( |
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| 16:02.31 | cpufreak | hmm |
| 16:02.32 | cpufreak | mysql> delete from sessions; |
| 16:02.32 | cpufreak | Query OK, 2652000 rows affected (0.79 sec) |
| 16:02.34 | cpufreak | seems faster now |
| 16:21.22 | wethrin | Would it be even faster if you did a DROP DATABASE; ? |
| 16:31.19 | cpufreak | :P |
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| 16:54.02 | AndyMillar | cpufreak: index better ;) |
| 17:15.39 | cpufreak | erm |
| 17:15.46 | cpufreak | don't be a fuckwit |
| 17:15.49 | AndyMillar | :p |
| 17:15.54 | AndyMillar | i was teasing :) |
| 17:16.28 | cpufreak | it a) was indexed b) is RT |
| 17:16.33 | cpufreak | c) shouldn't have had them |
| 17:16.45 | cpufreak | has now setup a cron to nuke it nighly |
| 17:20.56 | wethrin | Ah, tfl are "speshul" |
| 17:21.11 | AndyMillar | wethrin: what've they done now? |
| 17:21.17 | wethrin | Apparently departing at 18:24, and arriving at 19:25 results in a journey time of 43 minutes |
| 17:21.20 | AndyMillar | send you from Acton to Hammersmigh via Kings Cross? |
| 17:24.03 | boudiccas | 61 minutes according to my fingers! |
| 17:24.42 | wethrin | ding! |
| 17:24.48 | boudiccas | maybe BR has a time machines that distorts time??? |
| 17:25.45 | antiphase | They might be doing well then, having not existed for decades |
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| 17:28.19 | boudiccas | antiphase; you know what i mean even if its not what i said :) |
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