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| 08:57.16 | Axel | morning all |
| 08:57.18 | morsing | Axel:! |
| 08:57.28 | Axel | Henrik :) |
| 09:02.05 | hali | hello |
| 09:05.49 | Axel | hi hali |
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| 10:00.24 | morsing | curson! |
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| 10:51.44 | bilarh_ | heh, *real* british nightlife http://www.pbase.com/maciekda/cardiff_st_mary_street_zone |
| 10:55.27 | dick_turpin | cor oo's that bird in the pink fluffy cowboy hat |
| 10:56.22 | bilarh_ | brilliant: http://www.pbase.com/maciekda/image/60868354 |
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| 11:23.28 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:24.24 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Oi you working then? |
| 11:33.42 | bilarh_ | strange as it may seem, yes |
| 11:34.21 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: I'm sat in my garden at home :-P |
| 11:34.57 | bilarh_ | git |
| 11:35.42 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: Its lovely and sunny |
| 11:35.52 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:36.28 | bilarh_ | is it irrational to hate nulabour? |
| 11:36.53 | etorix | no, i think they earned it ages ago |
| 11:36.54 | bilarh_ | one of the governments latest schemes is to use unmanned spyplanes to monitor what's going on on the ground |
| 11:37.05 | bilarh_ | i mean, i'm almost 30 |
| 11:37.16 | morsing | laughs and points at bilarh_ |
| 11:37.18 | bilarh_ | i'm supposed to be over my radical political phase by now |
| 11:37.29 | morsing | bilarh_: And it's Gnulabour |
| 11:37.39 | bilarh_ | but these fuckwits in government make my blood boil every time i think about them |
| 11:37.43 | dick_turpin | bilarh_: They have to be unmanned, people get upset when midgets crash and burn |
| 11:37.48 | bilarh_ | or every time i read about yet another hare-brained scheme |
| 11:37.54 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: hehe :D |
| 11:38.24 | bilarh_ | and now apparently they're going to start collecting loads of personal information by interviews for the "governments information needs" |
| 11:38.54 | bilarh_ | it sounds more and more like what i think the soviet union was like to live in |
| 11:39.18 | bilarh_ | morsing: i prefer zanu-labour myself... them and zanu-pf seem to have lots in common |
| 11:39.57 | z00dax | its a nice enough day outside to warrant pitching a fly tent outside in the backyard and working from there today |
| 11:40.08 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:40.13 | z00dax | with beer yes |
| 11:40.14 | AndyMillar | mmh |
| 11:40.19 | AndyMillar | it's a bit cloudy here |
| 11:40.27 | AndyMillar | but the sun might burn through |
| 11:42.06 | AndyMillar | z00dax: just got your mail - ty :) |
| 11:42.30 | dick_turpin | Using a Laptop in the garden is crap |
| 11:42.41 | AndyMillar | why? |
| 11:42.43 | dick_turpin | I can hardly see the screen |
| 11:42.49 | z00dax | AndyMillar: no worries, apologies its a few days late. I missed it in the noise of nagios and cacti complaining about stuff |
| 11:42.52 | morsing | Beer |
| 11:42.55 | z00dax | dick_turpin: so you have a crap laptop |
| 11:43.02 | bilarh_ | dick_turpin: stay off the engine coolant next time |
| 11:43.14 | dick_turpin | Na way too much sun |
| 11:43.26 | z00dax | .o@0O ( ... engine coolant ... ) |
| 11:43.28 | AndyMillar | christ |
| 11:43.35 | z00dax | *repect* dick_turpin |
| 11:43.37 | AndyMillar | http://www.rapidswitch.com/DedicatedServers.aspx |
| 11:43.45 | AndyMillar | ^^ their £500/month server |
| 11:44.12 | z00dax | AndyMillar: its the 'best seller' too |
| 11:44.27 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 11:44.39 | AndyMillar | you could build that server for 1.5k |
| 11:44.44 | AndyMillar | "ish" |
| 11:45.06 | AndyMillar | maybe 2k |
| 11:45.24 | z00dax | its prolly a supermicro chasis, 2k should do it I think. |
| 11:45.46 | AndyMillar | a HP DL140 would do that :p |
| 11:46.07 | AndyMillar | base: 43- |
| 11:46.09 | z00dax | it'd be hard to get a loaded DL140 for < 2k |
| 11:46.09 | AndyMillar | 430* |
| 11:46.25 | AndyMillar | ram: 400 |
| 11:46.32 | AndyMillar | disks: 250 |
| 11:46.43 | AndyMillar | 1.1k + second CPU |
| 11:46.43 | AndyMillar | ish |
| 11:46.44 | AndyMillar | :) |
| 11:47.22 | z00dax | the ML350 with a much worse config is about 1.2k |
| 11:47.38 | cpufreak | erm |
| 11:47.50 | cpufreak | thats *Way* too expensive for that kind of hardware |
| 11:48.01 | z00dax | cpufreak: sssh |
| 11:48.07 | cpufreak | a dual dualcore DL165 with two disks, 4gig ram, a year ago was like 1700euro |
| 11:48.10 | z00dax | we dont buy dozens of them at the same time! |
| 11:48.15 | cpufreak | I didn't buy any |
| 11:48.19 | AndyMillar | cpufreak: buying HP branded stuff is expensive :p |
| 11:48.30 | cpufreak | in the last year I bought two HP machines |
| 11:48.36 | cpufreak | a pair of DL360G5 |
| 11:48.39 | antiphase | Do a Google and don't buy branded kit then :P |
| 11:48.42 | z00dax | cpufreak: i'd guess the 16GB of ram would cause some spike, I dont think the cpu's are that much more expensive |
| 11:48.55 | cpufreak | the DL360G5a have 16gig ram |
| 11:49.22 | cpufreak | anyway, Sun are lots cheaper, and better kit imho |
| 11:49.31 | cpufreak | particularly as they have embeeded linux in their iloms |
| 11:49.42 | cpufreak | which is getting me out of a bit of a hole at the minute,. |
| 11:49.47 | z00dax | :D |
| 11:50.01 | z00dax | the only problem with Sun's is that they dont do Xeon kit at the moment, afaik |
| 11:50.53 | cpufreak | yes they do |
| 11:51.16 | z00dax | sun is now doing intel kit ? thats interesting. |
| 11:51.20 | cpufreak | at the minute its a bit limited, only midrange kit |
| 11:51.40 | z00dax | .. is the only range I have interest in at the moment |
| 11:51.40 | cpufreak | but there have some entry level kit coming soon apparently |
| 11:52.48 | z00dax | so, apart from avnet, who else are a good sun reseller worth talking to ? |
| 11:54.03 | cpufreak | I dunno |
| 11:54.07 | cpufreak | don't touch resellers |
| 11:54.18 | cpufreak | BSI / e-business.com used to be good a few years back |
| 11:54.38 | z00dax | humm I found reseller for Sun and IBM to be a lot more productive than their own people. |
| 11:54.58 | cpufreak | depends who you deal with I guess |
| 11:55.01 | z00dax | yea |
| 11:55.17 | cpufreak | we have a comminucation path through to greg + jonathan... so are ok |
| 11:56.32 | AndyMillar | i've found the low end DL140s to be fairly good entry level stuff tbh |
| 11:57.27 | AndyMillar | and they are cheap :/ |
| 12:03.26 | antiphase | Depends if you want RAID and/or hotswap |
| 12:03.41 | etorix | http://orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/newsletter/newsletter.html |
| 12:03.45 | AndyMillar | they do raid (badly) but no hotswap :( |
| 12:05.01 | antiphase | Dell were doing cheap entry-level kit again a few weeks ago |
| 12:05.19 | antiphase | If you're pikey enough to not need proper machines, they're worth a look I think |
| 12:05.23 | AndyMillar | the LOM stuff that HPs come with is quite awesome |
| 12:07.38 | antiphase | The bastards make you pay for the useful bits of it now |
| 12:08.05 | AndyMillar | true |
| 12:09.00 | AndyMillar | they still give you some useful stuff irrc |
| 12:09.02 | AndyMillar | iirc* |
| 12:10.51 | AndyMillar | lets sww what you actually get |
| 12:11.34 | antiphase | If you can live with text-only, it's fine. The graphical console isn't free |
| 12:12.01 | AndyMillar | linux os on it :p |
| 12:14.05 | z00dax | could you just use ipmi tools ? |
| 12:15.51 | z00dax | looks like someone is /was offloading a bunch of Xserve G4's on ebay |
| 12:25.02 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:30.45 | wethrin | Mmm, xserves |
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| 12:37.24 | z00dax | wethrin: want some ? |
| 12:37.39 | z00dax | wethrin: £350 a pop, there are 8 going, I'll take 1 , you can have 7 |
| 12:38.31 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 12:38.42 | wethrin | z00dax: Err, no, not at that price |
| 12:38.46 | wethrin | Much as I'd like one :) |
| 12:39.03 | wethrin | I need to sort out my computing stuff first |
| 12:39.18 | z00dax | this *is* computing! |
| 12:39.43 | wethrin | Yes, I need to sort out my own kit :) |
| 12:39.44 | AndyMillar | no, it's apple :p |
| 12:39.59 | wethrin | Oi :-P |
| 12:40.15 | z00dax | AndyMillar: yup, and a reasonable way to get onto PowerPC kit. |
| 12:40.26 | z00dax | I would like a js22 though |
| 12:40.46 | wethrin | Only if you have older Macs, nowadays |
| 12:41.01 | z00dax | wethrin: them the only ones worth buying |
| 12:41.37 | wethrin | true |
| 12:41.57 | wethrin | Although I am in need of some new hardware - my laptop's a bit long in the tooth now for things like iPhoto |
| 12:42.27 | z00dax | osx on the eeepc ? |
| 12:42.47 | wethrin | Ha :) |
| 12:42.51 | AndyMillar | lol |
| 12:42.55 | z00dax | might work... |
| 12:43.08 | z00dax | you see plenty of people with OSX on dell's these days |
| 12:43.21 | AndyMillar | it does work |
| 12:43.26 | AndyMillar | someone's done it iirc |
| 12:49.49 | antiphase | Why would it be any better than FreeBSD? |
| 12:50.01 | antiphase | other than the obvious fanboy jerkoff factor |
| 12:50.16 | wethrin | Nicer UI? :) |
| 12:51.12 | wethrin | With Apple writing the software *and* speccing the hardware, they can make sure the two work together. If you stick OS X on any shitty Dell, then you lose that advantage |
| 12:51.30 | z00dax | wethrin: not really |
| 12:51.41 | z00dax | you can still buy only those accessories that work with OSX |
| 12:52.12 | z00dax | and you get the advantage of a much faster machine, lower cost, better support and longer life |
| 12:52.20 | z00dax | all good, when it comes to hardware |
| 12:52.24 | morsing | Beer |
| 12:52.42 | z00dax | morsing: nope, beer is extra! |
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| 12:55.11 | morsing | Facundo! |
| 12:55.40 | Facundo | hi |
| 12:56.40 | wethrin | Hmm. 3 of those things aren't really attributable to Dell |
| 12:56.48 | morsing | Whisky |
| 12:56.48 | wethrin | They're cheaper, certainly |
| 12:56.56 | wethrin | I don't believe the other 3 |
| 12:57.31 | z00dax | cosidering apple have by far the worst post sales support ever.. I wonder what those 3 are |
| 12:57.57 | wethrin | Hm. Most people I've heard from seem quite happy with post-sales stuff |
| 12:58.09 | z00dax | what ? the 90 days support is ok for you ? |
| 12:58.21 | wethrin | 1 year? |
| 12:58.26 | morsing | wethrin: Do they seem happy with beer? |
| 12:58.29 | wethrin | GAH |
| 12:58.37 | z00dax | err. only if you are happy to put down £150 or something silly every time you call them |
| 12:58.37 | wethrin | goes back to prodding labview |
| 12:58.45 | morsing | GAH? |
| 12:58.50 | z00dax | the real warranty is only 90 days for mac h/w |
| 12:59.02 | wethrin | Eh. Mine's worked for almost 6 years |
| 12:59.10 | z00dax | after that, its like this mad insurance thing they buy off someone |
| 13:00.09 | z00dax | they replaced my G5 cpu 2 times, then once the power supply, then the MoBo got a callback, then finally they changed the entire machine. And its still got the problems that it did when I got it. :D |
| 13:00.37 | z00dax | The thing is, Mac stuff is essentially Acer with bits from mitsui |
| 13:00.39 | wethrin | Your hardware is broken :) |
| 13:00.48 | z00dax | however, none of their spare parts come from those manufacturers |
| 13:01.08 | z00dax | wethrin: its a Mac, and I've been through their service setup. its the worst ever |
| 13:01.39 | axelS | hey folks |
| 13:01.43 | morsing | axelS! |
| 13:01.49 | axelS | i heard people talking about macs, so I woke up :) |
| 13:02.14 | wethrin | is still pondering between getting an iMac, or a MacbookPro |
| 13:02.28 | axelS | MacBook Pro baby!!! |
| 13:02.37 | axelS | just ordering my new one now |
| 13:02.37 | wethrin | They're more expensive, though |
| 13:02.48 | axelS | yep, but so much more portable than an iMac ;p |
| 13:03.01 | wethrin | Yes, but I still have my Powerbook if I need to lug it around |
| 13:03.20 | z00dax | fanboys :D |
| 13:03.22 | axelS | why? |
| 13:03.28 | wethrin | TBH, it's mostly just too slow for iPhoto |
| 13:03.38 | axelS | i will give my G4 PB 15 to my mum :) |
| 13:04.05 | axelS | only need the MBP now - mac os, windose and linux - all in one |
| 13:04.18 | wethrin | Mmm. The 17" version is pricy, though |
| 13:04.27 | axelS | z00dax: sorry to hear you had a bad experience with your mac |
| 13:04.45 | z00dax | axelS: its the same story everywhere :D |
| 13:04.59 | axelS | actually dan, you will hate me, but that's the one i'm getting - full desktop replacement - no more other computers for me |
| 13:05.00 | wethrin | Hmm....I could get a small MBP, and an external monitor, though |
| 13:05.07 | wethrin | axelS: You suck :-P |
| 13:05.10 | z00dax | has been to the Acer^W Apple MacBook factory :D |
| 13:05.32 | z00dax | The MacBookPro's come from elsewhere though. Not sure if those are acer or mitsui |
| 13:05.39 | axelS | z00dax: can't honestly subscribe to that mate. always had macs - never problems (sad i know). did a lot of mac support too - varies a little, but mostly harmless |
| 13:05.49 | axelS | dan: =D |
| 13:06.06 | axelS | z00dax: cool stuff! |
| 13:06.25 | z00dax | I've had a powermac G4, a powermac G5 and an iMac g4, its been the same more or less. Pretty much everyone I know who has really used thier machines and needed support - been the same |
| 13:06.35 | z00dax | axelS: the problem would then be that you dont know whats on the other side :D |
| 13:06.41 | axelS | the macbooks a quite cool too - but i need to lug it around a lot and the powerbooks took a lot of pain |
| 13:06.59 | wethrin | Yes. Mine's beaten to hell and back |
| 13:07.20 | axelS | z00dax: i prefer to suck down that blue pill - don't like rabit holes :o |
| 13:07.33 | axelS | wethrin: and they come back for more |
| 13:08.16 | axelS | my ex-gf dropped her 12" a lot - most ever happened was the hdd going like "WTF! you killing me here..." , replaced it and all-ok |
| 13:08.39 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 13:08.51 | AndyMillar | why is it that it tends to be women who break laptops? |
| 13:08.54 | axelS | i am always shivering when i hear stories of frustrated mac users with broken machines. perhaps i'm just lucky and stevo likes me more than others ;p |
| 13:08.56 | wethrin | Now they've got accelerometers in there |
| 13:09.02 | axelS | AndyMillar: lol |
| 13:09.10 | AndyMillar | my gf has *3* laptops |
| 13:09.17 | AndyMillar | (she's a maths teacher) |
| 13:09.28 | AndyMillar | 2 of them are in various states of brokenness |
| 13:09.32 | axelS | cluster-puting i see, eh? |
| 13:09.33 | AndyMillar | and the 3rd is about 6 months old |
| 13:09.43 | AndyMillar | so she hasn't had time to destroy it |
| 13:09.47 | axelS | lol |
| 13:10.06 | AndyMillar | I had to take white spirit to her screen on one of them the other day |
| 13:10.12 | AndyMillar | it was the only thing that would clean it |
| 13:10.28 | bilarh_ | iKlean ftw :) |
| 13:10.39 | wethrin | White spirit sounds like it's a bit harsh |
| 13:10.44 | wethrin | I'd just stick with propanol |
| 13:11.09 | AndyMillar | wethrin: it needed it :/ |
| 13:11.18 | wethrin | hm |
| 13:11.47 | axelS | wth is she doing to that screen?! |
| 13:11.51 | wethrin | Actually, maybe a MBP would be better, and I can use my Powerbook as my emergency spare |
| 13:12.13 | AndyMillar | axelS: fuck knows |
| 13:12.27 | AndyMillar | it had fingerprints, oil, foood... |
| 13:12.30 | AndyMillar | you name it |
| 13:12.36 | AndyMillar | it took about 10 mins to get clean |
| 13:12.40 | catalyst | tar? |
| 13:12.47 | axelS | omg |
| 13:12.48 | catalyst | concrete? |
| 13:13.15 | axelS | and there i was thinking i was bad! coffee, tea, red bull, cheese (mmm cheddar), tomato sauce... |
| 13:13.19 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 13:13.26 | z00dax | concrete will come off with that stuff ? |
| 13:13.27 | axelS | oh and nikotine and tar of course ;o |
| 13:15.27 | AndyMillar | :p |
| 13:16.14 | axelS | ok, really need to do some actual work now :s |
| 13:16.24 | AndyMillar | nah you don't :) |
| 13:16.28 | catalyst | I've been telling myself that all day |
| 13:16.36 | axelS | lol |
| 13:17.15 | axelS | well, i've been moderating a forum, making coffee and some phone calls.. i still call this work but my boss disagrees |
| 13:17.24 | AndyMillar | heh |
| 13:17.38 | AndyMillar | you have 2 problems... |
| 13:17.45 | AndyMillar | 1. you clearly don't look busy enough |
| 13:17.48 | AndyMillar | 2. you have a boss |
| 13:18.02 | AndyMillar | :p |
| 13:18.20 | axelS | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:18.34 | axelS | - 2. i have dumped him (will be back in London in June!) |
| 13:18.36 | axelS | hehe |
| 13:18.43 | AndyMillar | :) |
| 13:20.20 | axelS | is looking forward to catching up at lonix and gllug meets soon |
| 13:21.39 | AndyMillar | where abouts are you now? |
| 13:21.49 | AndyMillar | is currently in Leeds for a few days |
| 13:21.53 | AndyMillar | this northern internet sucks :p |
| 13:23.47 | axelS | in germany (hannover) |
| 13:23.52 | axelS | hehe |
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| 15:06.47 | Petur_ | dunno |
| 15:06.51 | Petur_ | iceland? |
| 16:00.43 | morsing | etorix! |
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| 16:21.07 | secretlondon | hi |
| 16:23.15 | Petur_ | How are you |
| 16:25.52 | secretlondon | i'm ok |
| 16:47.27 | Petur_ | Good |
| 17:22.39 | morsing | secretlondon! |
| 17:22.51 | secretlondon | morsing! |
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| 18:44.12 | hali | apu |
| 18:46.20 | morsing | bqv |
| 21:19.38 | hali | it's quiet this evening |
| 21:20.05 | secretlondon | yep |
| 21:20.06 | morsing | Beer |
| 21:20.12 | secretlondon | we've got a little more gsoc drama |
| 21:21.22 | hali | the google guy still being a bastard? |
| 21:22.05 | secretlondon | no |
| 21:22.15 | secretlondon | we've potentially been offered another slot |
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