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| 00:43.50 | z00dax | catalyst: has it been 3 years ? are you rich and famous yet ? |
| 00:55.39 | catalyst` | maybe, yes and no |
| 01:07.23 | z00dax | humm |
| 01:07.36 | z00dax | aight, sigsleep. zzZZZZZZZZZzzZZZzZzZZZZZ |
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| 05:04.21 | gregj | yawns |
| 05:04.26 | xteddy | brews up a fresh pot of coffee |
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| 06:40.16 | morsing | shai! |
| 06:46.10 | gregj | anyone who knows HP unix here ? |
| 06:46.48 | morsing | No |
| 06:46.50 | morsing | SAlly does |
| 06:46.59 | gregj | ;> |
| 06:47.36 | gregj | ok, I changed PS1, hu |
| 06:47.38 | gregj | h |
| 06:47.44 | gregj | no more 3 lines per every enter.! |
| 06:48.06 | gregj | this is such a crap, no curl , no wget |
| 06:48.13 | gregj | how should I install anything on this crap |
| 06:51.31 | morsing | *sigh* |
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| 08:04.39 | [Clive] | Morning |
| 08:05.30 | [Clive] | gets the 4th call of the week about the job in Sandwich |
| 08:07.27 | gregj | deleted .profile in /root on hp unix, which makes root account quite useless |
| 08:07.40 | gregj | who had this gread idea of putting it in /root, I don't understand... |
| 08:08.28 | [Clive] | err cos /root is root's home directory? |
| 08:09.23 | morsing | *sigh* |
| 08:10.29 | gregj | I am kind of used to the fact that /root/.profile file is optional |
| 08:10.37 | gregj | so I did mv blah to ~/.profile |
| 08:10.45 | gregj | and this fucked up everything |
| 08:11.02 | gregj | so if anyone has copy of that file on 11.23 I will be greatfull for copy please |
| 08:11.15 | cpufreak | why the fuck are you messing aruond with an HPUX box when you clearly do not know what hte fuck you're doing |
| 08:11.21 | [Clive] | errk I don't know HPUX |
| 08:11.26 | cpufreak | is this some kind of medical experiment |
| 08:11.39 | gregj | cpufreak: yes, my bad. |
| 08:11.56 | gregj | I have to install some php packages onto thing |
| 08:12.03 | gregj | and this is a pain in ass. |
| 08:12.24 | gregj | I wanted to change PS1 env to something that wouldn't take up 3 lines every time I press enter |
| 08:12.30 | cpufreak | don |
| 08:12.56 | gregj | I took users .profile, added whatever I needed, changed bloody PS1, and shell to bash |
| 08:13.15 | gregj | how I am trying to get wget to run, without bitching about openssl.so missing |
| 08:14.06 | gregj | s/how/now/ |
| 08:14.28 | gregj | sorry, I have a flu, and the fever is taking its toll |
| 08:16.02 | cpufreak | clearly you don't know what you're doing... remind me not to hire you. Anyway assuming you have an openssl.so somewhere |
| 08:16.13 | cpufreak | fix ldd |
| 08:16.23 | gregj | I don't |
| 08:16.43 | gregj | I don'tneed your employment, I am self employed, and I am software developer primarily, not admin. |
| 08:16.51 | cpufreak | you might not be for much longer |
| 08:17.02 | cpufreak | did you just copy wget onto the system willynilly then? |
| 08:17.06 | gregj | just uploading openssl package onto server, over ftp, cos it doesn't have curl or wget, or anything of that kind |
| 08:17.20 | gregj | swinstall -s path/.depot wget |
| 08:17.24 | gregj | I can read, you know :P |
| 08:17.34 | gregj | I only ask for help, when I know what is it and what I need :P |
| 08:17.49 | gregj | or was it -i |
| 08:17.50 | cpufreak | clearly you can't, or else you would have spotted the /root/.profile before blatting it. |
| 08:18.09 | gregj | well, one small mistake. |
| 08:19.28 | gregj | so do you have .profile for that version of OS, or you just want to take your frustrations on me? |
| 08:19.57 | [Clive] | Does this look like \ |
| 08:20.13 | [Clive] | #hpux |
| 08:20.26 | *** mode/#gllug [+o morsing] by ChanServ |
| 08:20.49 | gregj | root:/root:uname -a |
| 08:20.50 | gregj | HP-UX yunnan B.11.23 U ia64 3325870327 unlimited-user license |
| 08:20.52 | gregj | like that |
| 08:21.41 | gregj | morsing: heh |
| 08:22.45 | [Clive] | Am I gonna get banned from here for being a linux enthusiast, morsing? |
| 08:22.45 | cpufreak | if its helpful http://nurburgr.ing.me.uk/stuff/hpuxprofile is something from a few years ago |
| 08:22.52 | hali | blimey, someone actually bought an ia64 hp-ux box :) |
| 08:22.57 | cpufreak | no idea if it is or not. |
| 08:23.03 | cpufreak | hali: they give them away mostly. |
| 08:23.13 | gregj | he is just demonstrating his powers, and his menhood's size :P |
| 08:23.17 | hali | yes, so sun tells me |
| 08:23.17 | [Clive] | really? |
| 08:23.21 | gregj | cpufreak: I'll check it, thanks |
| 08:23.21 | cpufreak | gregj: try that ^^ |
| 08:23.24 | cpufreak | np |
| 08:23.35 | cpufreak | otherwise, I assume the one in /etc/skel/.profile is no use? |
| 08:23.44 | gregj | it is different on hp ux |
| 08:24.12 | hali | we have a client on hp superdome, they got "free upgrades" from pa-risc to ia64 if they promised to use it for another 3 years |
| 08:24.25 | gregj | I mean, root's .profile is different from useres's one |
| 08:25.08 | cpufreak | are you sure its not tha t you've just overwritten some preivous local modiificiations to root's profile. |
| 08:25.40 | gregj | cpufreak: this one looks like it was heavly modified by someone |
| 08:26.14 | gregj | perhaps, I got it under control here. so no probs, but still, I thought that was some generic one |
| 08:26.20 | *** mode/#gllug [-o morsing] by morsing |
| 08:26.22 | gregj | well, whatever. |
| 08:26.42 | gregj | now I gotta install wget or something simillar, and get all those php modules up and running, this is going to be fun.. |
| 08:26.54 | gregj | it looks like that swinstall doesn't know anything about dependencies |
| 08:30.24 | gregj | 150 quid for a day's job, and such a pain :P but I like new stuff , so I took it. |
| 08:31.05 | hali | you can eaisly download a file with bash |
| 08:31.15 | gregj | can I |
| 08:31.16 | hali | at least http transfers |
| 08:31.29 | hali | open a fd to /dev/tcp/.... |
| 08:31.31 | gregj | I had no idea, tell me more |
| 08:31.37 | gregj | rrgith :P |
| 08:31.56 | hali | send the HTTP request to the ft and three carriage returns, then start reading until you hit eof |
| 08:32.03 | hali | fd* |
| 08:32.09 | gregj | I can do it with nc as well, but there's no nc on this system |
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| 08:42.07 | bilarh_ | wtf, wesley snipes jailed for three years for tax evasion? |
| 08:43.02 | morsing | Did anyone hear that Mitterrand died? |
| 08:43.12 | bilarh_ | didn't |
| 08:43.36 | morsing | Neither did I but apparently he did# |
| 08:43.46 | bilarh_ | ok |
| 08:44.03 | morsing | could swear he was on the news a couple of years ago |
| 08:44.37 | gregj | was that in states ? |
| 08:45.08 | morsing | gregj? |
| 08:46.01 | gregj | bilarh_: is that in UK or US ? |
| 08:46.34 | hali | the judge must have seen a few of his movies and wanted to make an example out of him |
| 08:46.40 | hali | making money from crap movies is wrong! |
| 08:46.45 | bilarh_ | gregj: us |
| 08:46.51 | bilarh_ | hali: :D |
| 08:46.54 | gregj | cos in US you have quite few taxes |
| 08:47.06 | gregj | and oen of them is , well, illegal |
| 08:47.33 | gregj | I mean, it isn't stated in any laws that you should pay it, but they still pay... |
| 08:47.35 | gregj | strange nation |
| 08:47.50 | bilarh_ | grgj: what do you mean it's illegal? |
| 08:49.03 | gregj | there's biuro that is cashing that tax, but - as many found out, there's nothing in law that says you have to pay it |
| 08:49.17 | gregj | I read about it somewhere sometime ago |
| 08:49.39 | morsing | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/02/27/do2701.xml |
| 08:49.44 | bilarh_ | why the fucking hell does it have to rain every weekend?! |
| 08:49.47 | bilarh_ | http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/5day.shtml?world=0008 |
| 08:49.59 | gregj | it is used to cover bank loans, and interest - because, they too have UK kind of banking system |
| 08:50.00 | bilarh_ | has a fit every time he views the five day forecast |
| 08:50.15 | gregj | where the nation loans money from banks all the time, etc, etc |
| 08:50.28 | bilarh_ | gregj: you mean one where the tax payer bails out stupid bankers? |
| 08:50.34 | gregj | I had this on econimics course, in UK, while doing my MBA in 2003 |
| 08:50.51 | gregj | but I don't remember all details, so don't ask me, you can read about it on the ned |
| 08:50.55 | gregj | net |
| 08:51.10 | hali | all nations (generally) borrow money from private institutions |
| 08:51.15 | hali | mostly the middle east :) |
| 08:51.18 | gregj | plus, in US they have quite few taxes, that you have to pay |
| 08:51.29 | gregj | nope, this is a matter of banking system |
| 08:51.33 | gregj | UK has it , and US too |
| 08:51.35 | bilarh_ | morsing: good find, outrageous fucking labour again |
| 08:51.44 | morsing | *sigh* |
| 08:51.45 | gregj | and few other countries, but most of european nations don't |
| 08:51.47 | hali | look at the national debt for any countr |
| 08:51.48 | hali | y |
| 08:52.06 | bilarh_ | hali: and their own populace through government bonds (t-bills) |
| 08:52.12 | hali | exactly |
| 08:52.18 | hali | 90% of all goverermment issue bonds |
| 08:52.23 | hali | governments* |
| 08:52.26 | gregj | for instance, in Poland - for bank to lend you some cash, they have to have the whole ammount |
| 08:52.29 | bilarh_ | sweden's going to pay off about 50% of their national debt by 2011 apparently |
| 08:52.36 | gregj | in UK, they only need some really smallis procentage |
| 08:52.37 | bilarh_ | gregj: no fractional reserve banking? |
| 08:52.49 | gregj | nope, cos it is a very stuppid idea |
| 08:52.51 | bilarh_ | gregj: that will change, don't worry ;-) |
| 08:53.03 | gregj | I am sure it will, cos bankers always want more cash |
| 08:53.08 | hali | strange, as we are seeing quite a substational growth in eastern european mortgage bonds :) |
| 08:53.17 | gregj | and power, because if country owns them money - they can dictate the rules |
| 08:53.34 | hali | i think you've spent too much time in mother russia :) |
| 08:53.51 | gregj | the whole system was created when UK started to expand, into US, and other colonies |
| 08:53.56 | gregj | they needed loads and loads of cash |
| 08:54.06 | gregj | so they started to virtually create it |
| 08:54.16 | gregj | and now in US, you have this federal reserve bank |
| 08:54.23 | hali | that would never happen in the sovient union though? |
| 08:54.27 | gregj | which is as federal, as federal express (fedex) |
| 08:54.35 | wethrin | bilarh_: If a council wanted to get in to take photos of my home, they can fucking well get a court order to do it |
| 08:54.56 | gregj | and one of the taxes there, goes to pockets of those bankers, in 'federal' reserve bank |
| 08:55.02 | gregj | to pay the interest |
| 08:55.07 | bilarh_ | wethrin: even then they shouldn't be allowed |
| 08:55.19 | gregj | but since that bank isn't national, but is private in fact, .... |
| 08:55.20 | wethrin | Oh, wait. That article's over a year old |
| 08:55.23 | wethrin | 27/02/2007 |
| 08:55.49 | wethrin | bilarh_: No, a sensible judge shouldn't allow it. And there still are some sensible ones left |
| 08:55.51 | bilarh_ | gregj: the bank of england is a private bank too |
| 08:56.14 | gregj | only thing is, ppl are quite stuppid and naive in US (and not only), as long as they make good living, and feel free (don't mistake for being free actually, has nothing to do with it) - they don't care |
| 08:56.20 | morsing | wethrin: I just pasted it for the headline as greg couldn't remember the name of the tax! I regret it now as I dissagree with the article |
| 08:56.23 | bilarh_ | gregj: are you sure that poland does not allow any fractional reserve banking at all? I think they must do, but maybe with higher capital reserve ratio requirements? |
| 08:56.33 | gregj | bilarh_: same thing probably happends in UK, but I read about it , and the example stated was US system |
| 08:56.45 | gregj | bilarh_: but the whole system is called 'english bankning' or something like that |
| 08:56.51 | gregj | or british banking system |
| 08:56.52 | cpufreak | is it safe to run an e2fsck -fD on a mounted filesystem... said filesystem is root |
| 08:56.53 | gregj | something a'like |
| 08:56.58 | bilarh_ | because it was invented by the bank of england way back |
| 08:57.05 | wethrin | morsing: Why? Everyone else disagrees with it too |
| 08:57.13 | gregj | bilarh_: even if they do, it doesn't work the same way as in UK |
| 08:57.16 | gregj | bilarh_: that I am sure |
| 08:57.19 | bilarh_ | morsing: fascist |
| 08:57.38 | bilarh_ | wethrin: no, see that's the problem... many people actually like being under surveillance 24/7 |
| 08:57.40 | morsing | No they don't... Well, haven't read it but I heard "Fucking <insertwhateverpoliticainofthedayhere>" |
| 08:57.48 | gregj | cpufreak: 99% not, some systems allow you only to check RO, while mouted, but most don't |
| 08:57.55 | wethrin | morsing: GAH |
| 08:58.03 | cpufreak | its just to enable directory indexing |
| 08:58.11 | wethrin | They do disagree with it, otherwise they wouldn't *say* "Fucking labour" |
| 08:58.21 | wethrin | So, say, if you read the article, you'd know that was an appropriate response |
| 08:58.29 | bilarh_ | gregj: i don't think fractional reserve banking as such is a problem |
| 08:58.37 | wethrin | bilarh_: Then those people can go somewhere else |
| 08:58.43 | morsing | I know the response was inappropriate and dis-respectful |
| 08:58.45 | *** part/#gllug morsing (i=morsing@emil.morsing.cc) |
| 08:58.49 | wethrin | ARGH! |
| 08:58.52 | gregj | it is funny, in some cities in UK you are not able to drop anything, because someone will ask you politely, so everyone can hear around - to pick it up |
| 08:59.03 | bilarh_ | wethrin: i did read it :) i can't stand the shower of shit that is labour |
| 08:59.05 | gregj | bilarh_: I know it has been abused in US |
| 08:59.06 | wethrin | indeed |
| 08:59.18 | bilarh_ | gregj: in most cities in the uk, that will get you stabbed in the neck :) |
| 08:59.36 | gregj | bilarh_: I mean, there were some rules at the begining, but when they took the power (I mean bankers), it just started to get better |
| 08:59.40 | bilarh_ | gregj: i think the problem is fiat money, i.e. paper based with nothing backing it |
| 08:59.49 | gregj | yup |
| 09:00.01 | bilarh_ | it was not the bankers who introduced fiat money, it was the government |
| 09:00.07 | bilarh_ | when they abolished the gold standard |
| 09:00.30 | gregj | and the whole federal reserve , was passed in US illegaly too. there is evidence , and well, baah, because you have this 'freedom of information act' now in US, you can even read about it |
| 09:01.00 | gregj | but no one is talking about it, cos that makes ppl nervous, and they don't care - as long, as they can buy stuff, work, and make money - they feel free in US |
| 09:01.32 | gregj | which is - I have to admit naive and stuppid, but that's where most europe is heading towards too |
| 09:02.45 | gregj | it is funny how, you can read papers on CIA and FBI sites, stating clearly, black and white, that Us gov was behind wietnam, and their involvment in second world war |
| 09:03.18 | gregj | but if you ask anyone on the street of NY or some other major city, providing they can speak english (!), they know nothing about it |
| 09:03.18 | bilarh_ | i thought vietnam was kind of a proxy war between the soviet and the states |
| 09:03.39 | bilarh_ | i.e. it was really a war betwen the big guys, but they fought it out in vietnam |
| 09:03.47 | gregj | and live their "american dream" in completly wrong state of mind |
| 09:03.47 | bilarh_ | using mainly vietnamese people they supplied arms to |
| 09:04.21 | gregj | americans didn't wanted CCCP to help vietnam with some stuff, and they wanted their troops out there |
| 09:04.32 | gregj | but that's not the case |
| 09:04.52 | gregj | for US, and bankers, for long time now - it is obvious and clear that War means profits |
| 09:04.55 | gregj | it is that simple |
| 09:05.09 | bilarh_ | greg, it's not taht simple |
| 09:05.19 | gregj | it is |
| 09:05.22 | bilarh_ | war is good for the governemt too |
| 09:05.25 | bilarh_ | it's not just the evil banks |
| 09:05.31 | gregj | oh, sorry |
| 09:05.34 | gregj | :D |
| 09:05.40 | gregj | forgot about those douchebags |
| 09:05.41 | bilarh_ | as govt goes to war, they need to spend money to produce tanks, etc etc |
| 09:05.57 | gregj | but the truth is, ppl in govt are just puppets, so... |
| 09:05.59 | bilarh_ | so, they invest lots of money, usually at home, which creates jobs etc |
| 09:06.05 | bilarh_ | which is good for kickstarting a slowing economy |
| 09:06.48 | bilarh_ | i've got a spare tin foil hat if you want one ;-) |
| 09:06.54 | gregj | see, americans went to war with iraq (well, invaded iraq, as we all know it now) |
| 09:07.04 | gregj | but, they didn't want to do that alone, that would be baaad |
| 09:07.13 | gregj | so they 'asked' UK, and quite few other countries in europe too |
| 09:07.20 | gregj | promising a lot |
| 09:07.38 | gregj | so far, the only country that is making lods and loads of money on iraq is US |
| 09:07.57 | bilarh_ | well, that's more to do with tony blair than the banks over here, surely |
| 09:07.59 | gregj | and , for instance, we in .pl still have to have visas to get to US! |
| 09:08.33 | gregj | you don't know who's behind b-lair, and others |
| 09:08.36 | bilarh_ | yeah but everyone in america knows you're just a bunch of commies anyway, right? :) |
| 09:08.40 | gregj | but you can be sure, there is someone |
| 09:08.46 | bilarh_ | i know he's now working for a big bank :D |
| 09:08.48 | bilarh_ | is it morgan stanley? |
| 09:08.53 | gregj | rrright |
| 09:09.07 | bilarh_ | pure coincidence ;-) |
| 09:09.17 | bilarh_ | have you seen the film "moneymen"? |
| 09:09.18 | gregj | to be honest, we in .pl equaly hate commies, and democratic socialists (US, UK) |
| 09:09.27 | gregj | nope |
| 09:09.28 | gregj | should I ? |
| 09:09.33 | bilarh_ | i haven't either, but apparently it's quite good |
| 09:09.43 | bilarh_ | it's supposed to be on youtube |
| 09:10.21 | hali | hm, im surrounded by lefties! |
| 09:10.22 | gregj | I was told a lot in college about that stuff, I couldn't belive it |
| 09:10.35 | hali | goes back to listening to his Thatcher audiobook coolection |
| 09:10.36 | bilarh_ | hali: i'm far from a leftie ;-) |
| 09:10.38 | gregj | but, well, I read it in quite few books, saw few films |
| 09:11.18 | hali | it's fun to hear people slagging of thatcher but noone is "undoing" what she did |
| 09:11.18 | gregj | it is funny, but eversince I don't have tele, and don't listein to radio - it is all even much clearer to me now |
| 09:11.50 | gregj | which makes me 100% sure, that there's really fraction of free media , if any that don't do what others tell them to do |
| 09:11.58 | hali | hm, the BBC is a fine institution an in the UK im actually proud of paying the TV license |
| 09:12.30 | hali | in sweden where the equivalent of the BBC is utter shit it was pretty pointless to me |
| 09:12.39 | hali | but the BBC produces some really good programs |
| 09:13.06 | hali | thake the blue planet series, country file... even dr who is pretty good |
| 09:13.18 | hali | ugh, my spelling is way off ... i blame it on lag |
| 09:14.06 | gregj | ;] |
| 09:14.23 | gregj | yeah, BBC is quite ok, but I don't think purely free media either |
| 09:14.28 | gregj | Polish TVP is crah |
| 09:14.30 | gregj | crap |
| 09:14.47 | gregj | two other major TV stations were founded by intelligence, TVP and POLSAT |
| 09:14.52 | gregj | so they are not good either |
| 09:15.03 | gregj | so it is just better not to watch any TV here |
| 09:15.06 | bilarh_ | i'll post morsings article again because its so good and exactly describes what i feel is wrong with the uk http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/02/27/do2701.xml |
| 09:15.44 | gregj | :] |
| 09:15.48 | antiphase | You're foreign so you're not allowed to complain ;) |
| 09:16.07 | bilarh_ | antiphase: fuck off before i come and steal your car and rape your wife with my foreign friends |
| 09:16.22 | bilarh_ | wow, that came out a lot harsher than i intended :D |
| 09:16.24 | gregj | hehehehehehehehe |
| 09:16.35 | antiphase | I'm in the NEtherlands and I don't have a car or wife ; |
| 09:16.37 | antiphase | ) |
| 09:16.58 | bilarh_ | arse :-) you don't happen to work for a company beginning with J do you? :D |
| 09:17.23 | antiphase | Might do |
| 09:17.35 | gregj | ;] |
| 09:17.40 | bilarh_ | but on the subject of the bbc, it's pretty obvious they back the government as otherwise their funding is cut... it's hardly independent |
| 09:17.51 | gregj | yup |
| 09:18.18 | bilarh_ | i much prefer MTV's political commentary :) |
| 09:19.37 | bilarh_ | gregj: you should check out www.housepricecrash.co.uk/forum... it's not just about house prices, and although there are lots of crackpots on there, there are also some really intelligent people with their fingers right on the pulse on what's going on |
| 09:20.49 | hali | house prices are never going to "crash" |
| 09:20.56 | gregj | yeah, we're all waiting for house prices to crash |
| 09:21.05 | hali | bilarh_: my mom just sold her house, 400% increase in price since we bought it :) |
| 09:21.21 | gregj | I was about to buy a flat 6 months ago in UK |
| 09:21.41 | gregj | but nah, not worth it. 200k for something smallish, made out of card box |
| 09:21.42 | gregj | no thanks |
| 09:22.03 | hali | good start |
| 09:22.10 | bilarh_ | hali: good for her :) |
| 09:22.24 | hali | yes, i was quite impressed, even shitty little motala is doing well |
| 09:22.39 | bilarh_ | hali: shame for the people who bought it off her that now have a massive mortgage they have no chance in hell of servicing if interest rates go up, assuming they were first time buyers |
| 09:22.56 | hali | some oldish lady bought it |
| 09:23.00 | bilarh_ | massively inflating house prices are not a sign of things going well, it's a sign of people getting into massive debt |
| 09:23.38 | bilarh_ | well, somewhere along the line, there will be someone taking out a huge new mortgage |
| 09:24.09 | bilarh_ | hali: and to be fair, your mum has extended the house and done it up quite a bit, which would account for some of the increase |
| 09:24.46 | hali | yes, and "bergvarme" too |
| 09:24.51 | hali | whatever that is in english |
| 09:25.00 | hali | so it's not a direct increase in value |
| 09:25.10 | hali | and there is some sort of "spa" in the basement now |
| 09:25.14 | bilarh_ | nice :D |
| 09:25.20 | bilarh_ | i have to come visit before she moves out :D |
| 09:26.14 | gregj | it is funny, that brits learned how to build a proper house just about 10-20 years ago |
| 09:26.21 | hali | well |
| 09:26.25 | gregj | everything build before that is just a piece of shit |
| 09:26.34 | hali | they used to build good houses 90 years ago, then for some reason forgot :) |
| 09:26.46 | gregj | how can I call a 'house' where, I can hear what my neighbour is reading out loud ? |
| 09:27.02 | gregj | too many immigrants 90 years ago ? |
| 09:27.03 | gregj | :D |
| 09:29.08 | bilarh_ | gregj: i think you're confusing old with new :) |
| 09:29.19 | bilarh_ | it's the new builds that are terrible imo :) |
| 09:29.37 | gregj | and the walls are made out of two card sheets, with few wood (whatever the word for that is) |
| 09:29.40 | hali | i think it's a good mix of good and bad over the years |
| 09:30.02 | gregj | the new ones are made of bricks, and bricks only, some concrete |
| 09:30.06 | bilarh_ | gregj: plasterboard |
| 09:30.19 | gregj | old ones were made of bricks, wood and loads loads of plasterboard |
| 09:32.01 | gregj | I have wooden floor in my house, but it's attic |
| 09:32.28 | gregj | the rest of house is made of bricks and concrete, and I can't hear what someone is doing in the next room |
| 09:32.32 | gregj | not to mention my neigbor |
| 09:32.44 | gregj | I love privacy, and that's not someting I get a lot in UK |
| 09:33.04 | gregj | not only ppl can hear what I do, but everyone can spy on my very easy |
| 09:52.17 | bilarh_ | omg, i think i've just managed to recover an oracle database in a test :D |
| 09:53.46 | bilarh_ | is this the correct procedure: |
| 09:54.27 | bilarh_ | 1. set table spaces to backup mode |
| 09:54.31 | bilarh_ | 2. copy all dbf files |
| 09:54.37 | bilarh_ | 3. unset backup mode |
| 09:54.41 | bilarh_ | 4. switch log files |
| 09:54.47 | bilarh_ | 5. copy control file |
| 09:55.13 | bilarh_ | 6. copy archive logs and redo logs (do i need the redo logs?) |
| 09:55.17 | bilarh_ | restore is then: |
| 09:55.32 | bilarh_ | copy all dbf files, replace the two control files i have with my "good" copy |
| 09:55.46 | bilarh_ | recover database using backup controlfile |
| 09:56.02 | bilarh_ | applying all archive logs it asks for until i don't have any more and then applying the last redo log? |
| 09:56.12 | bilarh_ | then alter database open resetlogs? |
| 09:56.16 | bilarh_ | does that sound right? |
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| 10:04.00 | yaarg | hello |
| 10:09.21 | antiphase | YAARG </pirate> |
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| 10:14.17 | Discordian | Morning again |
| 10:36.46 | yaarg | aaar |
| 11:06.31 | hali | bilarh_: yes and no, yes that will work... no most people wouldn't do that, just use RMAN :) |
| 11:06.42 | hali | rman is fairly crap in oracle 8 though |
| 11:12.52 | bilarh_ | and therein lies the problem :-) |
| 11:13.04 | bilarh_ | i didn't realise i had to copy the redo logs first either |
| 11:13.28 | bilarh_ | i would have thought setting the backup mode would be enough, but then the control file ends up out of sync |
| 11:13.40 | bilarh_ | i should do a "alter controlfile begin backup" :) |
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| 12:34.08 | gregj | http://fun.noshit.pl/?co=lubie&id=38547 |
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| 13:17.45 | yaarg | aaar! |
| 13:17.52 | yaarg | so should i come along to the next meeting?-) |
| 13:18.00 | yaarg | is new in town |
| 13:18.05 | wethrin | Yes, you should |
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| 14:07.30 | yaarg | I think I shall. |
| 14:07.55 | wethrin | Now we just need someone to organise a meeting |
| 14:08.11 | yaarg | Ah. |
| 14:13.31 | yaarg | I was under impression there were meeting fairly regularly. |
| 14:13.42 | yaarg | Monthly even. |
| 14:13.44 | yaarg | No? |
| 14:13.57 | wethrin | No |
| 14:14.07 | wethrin | There haven't been for some time, due to a lack of interested organisers |
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| 14:23.58 | yaarg | Hmm. |
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| 14:45.37 | abartlet | is there any linux-related event on this Saturday, that a visting Samba Team member (myself :-) might be welcome at? |
| 14:45.48 | abartlet | I've got a spare evening before I fly back to AUS... |
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| 14:51.06 | wethrin | abartlet: Not that I can think of :) |
| 14:51.32 | wethrin | However, if you are in the mood for drinking beer, there exists a Gllug social list, and people may turn up and suggest a place to get a beer frmo |
| 14:51.40 | wethrin | http://lists.gllug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/social |
| 14:53.27 | yaarg | pub! |
| 14:55.07 | wethrin | Beer! |
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| 15:36.56 | wethrin | Hi Leeds |
| 15:37.08 | Leeds | evening wethrin |
| 15:37.12 | wethrin | How's Leeds? |
| 15:37.34 | Leeds | relaxing is one way to put it, boring is another |
| 15:38.13 | wethrin | Not quite the social life you're used to from HK? |
| 15:38.22 | Leeds | indeed |
| 15:38.35 | Leeds | and in fact, I can see my social life in HK passing by, thanks to the wonders of facebook |
| 15:39.03 | Leeds | I have invites for 2 parties and 2 comedy nights for this weekend, following last weekend which reached 4 parties |
| 15:39.26 | wethrin | There'll be more stuff when you get back, though |
| 15:39.34 | Leeds | sure |
| 15:39.49 | Leeds | although I did miss one person leaving, heading back to .ca |
| 15:42.47 | wethrin | Mm. It looks like I'm going to fail to make it to Leeds, unfortunately, due to having silly amounts of stuff to do (i.e. about 1 months work in a week) |
| 15:43.22 | Leeds | ah... that's a good thing, actually - given the lack of planning and that we did meet up last week, I've sort of made other plans for tomorrow |
| 15:46.27 | wethrin | Okay :) |
| 15:48.03 | Leeds | anyway, mainly popped in to poke anyone who is around and not on -social |
| 15:48.26 | Leeds | following the traidional complete lack of any coherency, I have nominated a restaurant for Sunday evening |
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| 15:49.58 | Leeds | Discordian! |
| 15:50.45 | Discordian | Hi Leeds |
| 15:51.32 | Leeds | coming to dinner on Sunday? |
| 15:53.17 | Discordian | You've lost me I'm afraid |
| 15:53.44 | Leeds | aren't you on gllug-social? |
| 15:54.02 | Discordian | err no |
| 15:54.20 | Leeds | why not? |
| 15:54.34 | Leeds | doesn't hanging around socially with a bunch of sweaty geeks interest you? |
| 15:55.07 | Discordian | I couldn't afford to go drinking sadly |
| 15:55.18 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 15:55.41 | antiphase | Discordian: You could pimp your ass out for a few days for beer money |
| 15:56.10 | Discordian | I've applied for approx 12 jobs this week |
| 15:56.26 | Leeds | 12 more than me, and I'll still be out on Sunday |
| 15:56.41 | Leeds | I *enjoy* getting scared by central London prices... doesn't everybody? |
| 15:57.13 | Discordian | It costs me 8 quid just to get into town |
| 15:57.25 | Leeds | costs me a lot more |
| 15:57.48 | Discordian | I have less than 100 quid atm |
| 15:57.52 | Leeds | a lot a lot, if you start from where I actually live :-) |
| 15:58.01 | Discordian | heh |
| 15:58.12 | wethrin | Leeds: Isn't it cheaper flying in from HK than taking the train from Leeds? :) |
| 15:58.23 | Leeds | no |
| 16:00.26 | Discordian | reads the thread |
| 16:00.37 | Leeds | also, I do first class on the train, and I'm trying to manipulate myself into business class on the plane :-D |
| 16:12.22 | Discordian | Hmmm can anyone suggest a linux gui client for scp? |
| 16:12.59 | Leeds | no, but the KDE file manager should be able to use it |
| 16:13.15 | Leeds | scp is not a full interactive remote access protocol, I think |
| 16:14.23 | Discordian | Ta |
| 16:14.34 | Discordian | I'm actually meaning sftp |
| 16:15.04 | Leeds | ah, better... well, KDE-file-manager-whatever-its-called should be able to handle that no problem |
| 16:15.13 | Discordian | ta |
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| 16:15.43 | secretlondon | hi |
| 16:15.55 | Leeds | evening |
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| 16:44.45 | Leeds | secretlondon: are you coming on Sunday night then? |
| 16:45.06 | secretlondon | Leeds: if I have any money left by then |
| 16:46.04 | Leeds | assuming you could make it, you'd be very welcome to come along and steal other people's food, I think |
| 16:47.23 | Leeds | I don't mean that in a nasty way :-) Just better than you come than don't ome |
| 16:53.22 | secretlondon | Leeds: as I've saved money today by sleeping through everything I'll try |
| 16:53.26 | secretlondon | but it's hard to economise in a restaraunt |
| 16:55.45 | Leeds | true |
| 16:57.54 | Leeds | there will probably be some pub or other drinking establishment afterwards, but given the lack of ability of gllug-social to, as Gary put it, 'organise a curry in an Indian' I have no idea what, where or when |
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| 17:14.03 | mikejw | lo |
| 17:15.43 | Leeds | evening mike :-) |
| 17:18.33 | mikejw | hey buddy :) |
| 17:18.42 | mikejw | wait.. evening? |
| 17:19.19 | mikejw | Leeds: are you here? |
| 17:21.30 | Leeds | in Leeds... |
| 17:21.43 | Leeds | in London Sunday evening |
| 17:21.51 | mikejw | coolio :) |
| 17:22.27 | mikejw | how's Leeds? :D |
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| 17:28.56 | secretlondon | hi discordian |
| 17:31.04 | clive-h | Hiya |
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| 18:25.52 | secretlondon | hi catalyst |
| 19:14.56 | clive-h | Hmmm |
| 19:37.02 | z00dax | woo! |
| 19:46.39 | clive-h | Indeed |
| 19:47.49 | secretlondon | woo? |
| 19:59.52 | AndyMillar | ok, nub question <3 |
| 19:59.59 | AndyMillar | SATA II disks will work on a SATA controler? |
| 20:00.23 | clive-h | Should do |
| 20:00.43 | AndyMillar | good |
| 20:00.45 | AndyMillar | i thought so too |
| 20:01.22 | clive-h | SATA II is simply faster |
| 20:02.01 | AndyMillar | yeah |
| 20:04.31 | Nafallo | at some point I will build my dreamboxes :-P |
| 20:07.09 | z00dax | Nafallo: they only stay like that for a few months |
| 20:07.12 | z00dax | then the dream moves on |
| 20:07.26 | z00dax | AndyMillar: watch out for sata-2 drives with default limits |
| 20:07.34 | Nafallo | z00dax: yea. that is why I need a constant income :-) |
| 20:07.53 | z00dax | most manufacturers seem to ship sata-2 3gbps drive, limited to sata1 mode, either jumper or s/w controlled |
| 20:08.05 | z00dax | Nafallo: you dont get paid at the end of each month ? |
| 20:08.16 | Nafallo | z00dax: I do, but not enough ;-) |
| 20:09.27 | boudiccas | its like looking after a baby, you always need and want something new for it |
| 20:13.05 | clive-h | lol |
| 20:13.36 | secretlondon | Nafallo, how was the interview? |
| 20:14.00 | Nafallo | 2h 30min :-) |
| 20:14.03 | Nafallo | we'll see. |
| 20:14.04 | secretlondon | was the entire office hung over? |
| 20:14.22 | Nafallo | lol. it did seem a bit quiet indeed ;-) |
| 20:14.41 | secretlondon | well it's also a good day to take annual leave |
| 20:15.09 | Nafallo | hehe. I was apparently not working :-P |
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| 20:53.43 | clive-h | bleagh |
| 21:41.37 | clive-h | Zzzzz |
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| 22:20.56 | [Clive] | wb |
| 22:22.47 | secretlondo | ty |
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| 22:28.03 | clive-h | Hmmm |
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| 23:17.16 | gw280 | humph's dead! :( |
| 23:20.12 | secretlondon | I know |
| 23:23.22 | wethrin | hi gw280 |
| 23:25.33 | gw280 | filthy oxonian |
| 23:25.55 | wethrin | filthy tab |
| 23:26.01 | gw280 | no |
| 23:31.51 | gw280 | I'm bored |
| 23:31.52 | gw280 | BORED |
| 23:31.58 | gw280 | I'm sat in this filthy college |
| 23:32.01 | gw280 | in the filthy computer room |
| 23:32.06 | gw280 | NXing to my glorious desktop |
| 23:39.13 | secretlondon | i'm here, on a Friday night, sitting in my messy flat, on my ancient laptop, on my stained sofa |
| 23:39.38 | gw280 | my NX client is now in Ubuntu Hardy and Debian Testing |
| 23:39.42 | gw280 | :D |
| 23:40.51 | wethrin | Well done, or something |
| 23:42.10 | gw280 | noob |
| 23:43.20 | wethrin | pff |
| 23:43.46 | gw280 | BORED |
| 23:43.50 | gw280 | I should probably head back to my room |