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| 00:41.33 | secretlondon | hi AndyMillar |
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| 02:06.51 | secretlondon | ipod shuffles can pass as usb pen drives, my camera with it's 2 gb cf card won't |
| 02:07.13 | secretlondon | or put it this way, if it does mount my camera anywhere I have no idea where |
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| 03:55.27 | secretlondon | hi etorix |
| 04:06.18 | etorix | http://www.tepapa.govt.nz/TePapa/English/CollectionsAndResearch/CollectionAreas/NaturalEnvironment/Molluscs/ColossalSquid/ |
| 04:06.35 | etorix | http://www.r2.co.nz/20080427/camera-4.asx |
| 04:26.54 | secretlondon | night |
| 07:15.17 | yaarg | hey, does anyone here happen to use mobile broadband on linux? |
| 07:59.18 | bilarh_ | morning people |
| 08:48.29 | wethrin | yaarg: secretlondon does |
| 08:49.34 | yaarg | wethrin: cool. i'll badger him next time he's around. |
| 08:49.49 | yaarg | just trying to find out what cards are compatible. |
| 08:50.08 | yaarg | but it's even hard to discern what card they're going to give you.. |
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| 09:54.43 | kjalil_ | morning |
| 09:54.54 | kjalil_ | i hope someone can help sort out a strange problem I am seeing... |
| 09:56.29 | kjalil_ | I have an IP address on the eth0 and it is aliased as eth0:0 and there is a different IP there. |
| 09:56.36 | kjalil_ | but for some reason I can ssh to the server on the first IP, but not the aliased one?? anyideas? |
| 09:57.21 | kjalil_ | i can ping the aliased IP over the internet correctly as well |
| 09:57.21 | wethrin | sshd is only binding to the first interface/IP address |
| 09:57.30 | kjalil_ | wethrin: hi |
| 09:57.41 | antiphase | Try restarting sshd |
| 09:57.46 | wethrin | Check the ListenAddress directive in sshd_config |
| 09:57.50 | kjalil_ | wethrin: actually there are MORE aliases, and sshd IS binding to some of the others for some reason |
| 09:57.52 | wethrin | also, what antiphase said |
| 09:58.00 | kjalil_ | antiphase: already done, doesn't help |
| 09:58.26 | kjalil_ | wethrin: ListenAddresses are commented out |
| 09:58.31 | antiphase | also prefers to add multiple addresses to one interface |
| 10:01.21 | wethrin | antiphase: with 'ip add'? |
| 10:01.26 | wethrin | or whatever it is? |
| 10:01.48 | antiphase | Yes. Much tidier; sadly no distros seem to support using it as part of their system config scripts |
| 10:01.53 | kjalil_ | sshd is listening on 0.0.0.0:22 |
| 10:03.12 | kjalil_ | that means the whole network yes? |
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| 10:04.00 | antiphase | It means it's not bound to a specific interface, so it will accept inbound connections to any local address |
| 10:04.36 | wethrin | kjalil_: What happens if you telnet to the particular IP Address on port 22? |
| 10:05.16 | kjalil_ | wethrin: Trying x.x.x.x. .... and nothing |
| 10:05.25 | kjalil_ | wethrin: but another alias on the same machine does work |
| 10:05.26 | wethrin | Just hanging? |
| 10:05.31 | kjalil_ | wethrin: yes |
| 10:05.32 | wethrin | Firewall? |
| 10:05.41 | antiphase | Sounds a lot like it |
| 10:06.11 | kjalil_ | hmm, i've tried from two different networks now, let me check again |
| 10:06.39 | kjalil_ | do i need to completely log out from my current ssh session, stop sshd, and then relogin? |
| 10:06.56 | wethrin | No. |
| 10:07.08 | wethrin | 'pkill -HUP sshd' should do the trick |
| 10:14.23 | kjalil_ | bah no firewalls in the way i don't understand this |
| 10:16.16 | antiphase | What about on the machine itself? |
| 10:16.28 | antiphase | Otherwise it's getting a bit difficult to suggest anything without more info |
| 10:16.44 | kjalil_ | antiphase: no, no firewalls on the machine itself |
| 10:21.27 | kjalil_ | how do i find out if another machine on the same network has the same ip? |
| 10:23.36 | wethrin | ping it |
| 10:24.51 | z00dax | how about tcpdump on both machines and compare chatter ? |
| 10:26.01 | antiphase | `sudo ping -b 255.255.255.255` can occasionally be informative |
| 10:28.54 | kjalil_ | i've started up tcpdump on the machine |
| 10:30.09 | z00dax | kjalil_: both machines |
| 10:30.43 | kjalil_ | z00dax: both machines how? i only have access to one machine and I'm trying to find out if another machine on the same net has the same ip |
| 10:30.48 | kjalil_ | ah |
| 10:31.15 | kjalil_ | i've noticed when I ping the alias, tcpdump sees NO ping traffic, but if I ping the main ethernet IP, it DOES see traffic. |
| 10:31.24 | kjalil_ | so I'm actually pinging something else??! |
| 10:31.35 | kjalil_ | and I'm thiking i'm pinging the server but i'm not perhaps |
| 10:31.47 | antiphase | If you get replies, there's a duplicate address |
| 10:32.30 | kjalil_ | antiphase: yes, the machine sending pings DOES get replies, but tcpdump on this target machine does not see them |
| 10:33.02 | kjalil_ | antiphase: but if I ping the main ethernet IP I do get replies and tcpdump also see them so yes I think there is a duplicate machine |
| 10:33.25 | kjalil_ | antiphase: hmm, that ping -b gives me an invalid option error |
| 10:33.29 | antiphase | Schoolboy error |
| 10:33.47 | kjalil_ | antiphase: not my config, someone else's stupid mistake |
| 10:35.33 | kjalil_ | antiphase: they have forgotten that the address is in use somewhere else |
| 10:38.17 | wethrin | Sounds like bad administrative practice, then :) |
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| 10:41.14 | ChoHag | Yay new job. |
| 10:41.16 | ChoHag | Yay Lotus. |
| 10:41.24 | yaarg | http://www.dealextreme.com/ |
| 10:41.25 | yaarg | haha wtf! |
| 10:41.26 | wethrin | Lotus as in cars? |
| 10:41.30 | yaarg | free shipping to the uk |
| 10:41.35 | wethrin | Or Lotus as in spreadsheet stuff? |
| 10:41.38 | yaarg | check out the iphone clone...lolz |
| 10:41.39 | ChoHag | Regrettably not. |
| 10:41.43 | ChoHag | Lotus as in Notes. |
| 10:41.44 | wethrin | Congrats, and all that |
| 10:41.46 | wethrin | Eww |
| 10:42.04 | ChoHag | Oh and a desk full of somebody else's junk. |
| 10:42.14 | wethrin | Just started today? |
| 10:42.20 | ChoHag | Aye. |
| 10:42.30 | wethrin | And you're on IRC already.... |
| 10:42.42 | ChoHag | Aye. |
| 10:42.47 | ChoHag | Probably not allowed. |
| 10:43.20 | ChoHag | They won't let me ssh from my (windows) box to any but their servers. |
| 10:43.28 | wethrin | oh dear |
| 10:43.33 | z00dax | (ebuyer)-- |
| 10:43.36 | ChoHag | In fact they force everything through a proxy, which is helpful for a web server administratore. |
| 10:43.41 | ChoHag | -e |
| 10:43.56 | wethrin | z00dax: They might be rubbish, but they *are* cheap |
| 10:44.32 | z00dax | the thing i hate most about them is citylink |
| 10:44.42 | yaarg | definitely |
| 10:44.47 | yaarg | citylink are v. annoying |
| 10:45.08 | ChoHag | I had to drive to guildford because they couldn't be arsed to knock on the door. |
| 10:45.19 | wethrin | Yuck |
| 10:45.24 | wethrin | I get things delivered to work :) |
| 10:45.34 | antiphase | Same here |
| 10:45.46 | z00dax | ChoHag: congrats on the new job |
| 10:46.03 | wethrin | couldn't really work in a place where they objected to personal deliveries |
| 10:46.11 | wethrin | (well, all within some reason, of course) |
| 10:46.30 | ChoHag | Thanks. |
| 10:46.43 | wethrin | Still, though, if they'd rather have me stay at home to wait for a parcel, then that's fine by me.... |
| 10:46.49 | ChoHag | Now if I wasn't forced to use Windows I might be able to enjoy it. |
| 10:46.54 | z00dax | i do most of the time, but in some cases its good to get stuff at home. specially since work is closed some days when everyone works from home |
| 10:46.57 | wethrin | Cygwin! |
| 10:46.58 | ChoHag | The other admin hjas a Linux box though so there's hope. |
| 10:47.01 | wethrin | It might be shit, but.... |
| 10:47.13 | wethrin | Or grab yourself Virtual PC (which is free), and install a real OS |
| 10:47.16 | ChoHag | And I want my dvorak back. |
| 10:48.10 | ChoHag | I can't touch-type though so I can't just change the layout. |
| 10:48.11 | antiphase | Sounds like a poor choice of job if you don't have any of your tools |
| 10:48.23 | ChoHag | Possibly. |
| 10:48.24 | wethrin | antiphase: It's only his first day... |
| 10:48.56 | ChoHag | But now that I have an income I can more comfortably find a good job, should the need arise. |
| 10:49.03 | ChoHag | I'll give it a few days. |
| 10:49.05 | wethrin | likes the attitude of the Physics department here. They give you an IP address, plus appropriate information, and then say "Do what you want" |
| 10:49.26 | ChoHag | That would be practical. |
| 10:49.39 | ChoHag | I suspect the network team of faggotry. |
| 10:49.53 | antiphase | Fashioning small pieces of wood? |
| 10:50.38 | ChoHag | Something like that. |
| 10:52.15 | yaarg | are we mostly programmers/sysadmins here then? |
| 10:52.30 | wethrin | Mostly |
| 10:52.33 | z00dax | yaarg: and a few freaks |
| 10:52.38 | yaarg | way hey |
| 10:52.50 | wethrin | Although I'm neither. I'm recovered! |
| 10:54.10 | antiphase | I'm an "Operations Engineer", don't you know. |
| 10:54.12 | antiphase | grumbles |
| 10:55.15 | ChoHag | What about all three? |
| 10:55.24 | z00dax | i am supposed to be 'troublemaker' |
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| 10:57.30 | kjalil_ | ChoHag: congrats |
| 10:58.00 | kjalil_ | got turned down for 2 jobs last week :( |
| 10:58.40 | kjalil_ | they liked my *skills*, etc but decided to go with someone else, maybe someone with more experience |
| 10:59.19 | wethrin | boo hiss |
| 10:59.36 | wethrin | antiphase: So you're a glorified sysadmin :) |
| 10:59.45 | antiphase | Something like that |
| 11:00.17 | AndyMillar | ssqq |
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| 11:13.06 | ChoHag | The only thing I've done so far is add myself to nagios. |
| 11:13.20 | will_ | hello all |
| 11:13.38 | ChoHag | I'm just a little bored. |
| 11:15.08 | will_ | write some code :o) |
| 11:16.40 | yaarg | my time is split between coding and journalism. |
| 11:17.49 | andy__ | my time is spent between pubs and sleep |
| 11:18.58 | ChoHag | I'm tidying my desk. |
| 11:19.24 | ChoHag | And I have the Pugwash theme tune running around my head. |
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| 19:48.08 | clive-h | hi |
| 19:50.02 | hali | hi |
| 19:50.08 | hali | secretlondon: how was the curry last night? |
| 19:50.20 | secretlondon | hi |
| 19:50.27 | secretlondon | not the best I've ver had tbh |
| 19:50.40 | clive-h | Oh dear |
| 19:50.41 | hali | good turnout? |
| 19:50.48 | secretlondon | I think the south indian veg restaurants on Drummon Street are better for that sort of thing |
| 19:50.50 | secretlondon | 5 |
| 19:51.06 | secretlondon | me, Leeds, Jason, Anne, and I've forgotten his name |
| 19:51.17 | hali | nice |
| 19:51.25 | clive-h | likes |
| 19:51.35 | clive-h | hot ur |
| 19:51.40 | clive-h | hot curry |
| 19:52.38 | hali | i had a curry tonight |
| 19:52.41 | hali | but thai curry |
| 19:52.57 | clive-h | OO |
| 19:53.10 | clive-h | i like vindaloo |
| 19:53.11 | hali | in giraf next to spits |
| 19:53.19 | hali | giraffe? |
| 19:53.31 | hali | however they spell it in whatever country that resturant is ment to be from :) |
| 19:53.39 | clive-h | heh |
| 19:53.53 | clive-h | Is that on the menu? |
| 19:54.40 | hali | i didn't see it |
| 19:54.47 | hali | it's sort of "trendy" food |
| 19:55.38 | clive-h | we used to be able to get kangaroo here |
| 20:40.51 | z00dax | so, what are the preffered vendors for people of #gllug ? |
| 20:41.16 | z00dax | ebuyer are clearly shit, dabs are even worse, scan is in the same boat as dabs... |
| 20:41.36 | z00dax | overclockers dont have much stock.. |
| 20:41.49 | z00dax | thats all the ones I've tried so far. |
| 20:42.53 | wethrin | They're all shit |
| 20:43.47 | wethrin | I've got some stuff from Aria |
| 20:48.59 | z00dax | i think the cure is to just stop buying stuff in the UK |
| 20:49.52 | wethrin | If you can get them in Europe, fine... :) |
| 20:50.11 | z00dax | US seems the best place |
| 20:50.22 | wethrin | Import duties... |
| 20:50.22 | z00dax | hell, they even deliver stuff from there over here faster than some of these idiots can |
| 20:50.36 | z00dax | wethrin: still cheaper to buy there |
| 20:50.43 | wethrin | So once duties and import costs are taken into account, you're not actually any cheaper from there |
| 20:51.58 | z00dax | there isnt much in shipping, £5 from ebuyer, V/s $8 from SDCS |
| 20:52.19 | z00dax | SDCS gets stuff over to me in 4 - 6 days, and i save between 15 - 45% in real costs |
| 20:52.27 | wethrin | hm |
| 20:52.33 | z00dax | I got some 500gb hdd, cost me £49 each |
| 20:52.43 | hali | z00dax: for personal use? |
| 20:52.50 | hali | z00dax: i like www.komplett.co.uk |
| 20:53.00 | hali | cheap'ish and excellent customer services |
| 20:53.10 | hali | but not a huge selection |
| 20:53.31 | z00dax | hali: oh yes, all personal. I just wanted a sound card and a dvd-rw from ebuyer, after being 3 days late on delivery, they emailed today to say one of the items they cant ship due to a problem in their system and there is no news on the sound card yet |
| 20:53.51 | hali | crap |
| 20:53.51 | wethrin | Was the item not listed as 'in stock'? |
| 20:53.51 | z00dax | hali: do they use citylink ? |
| 20:53.54 | z00dax | wethrin: yes |
| 20:53.55 | hali | can't remember |
| 20:53.57 | wethrin | oh |
| 20:54.02 | hali | i've bought a few items from ebuyer and it's been fine so far |
| 20:54.07 | wethrin | Demand a refund |
| 20:54.11 | hali | btw, citylink goes under the nickname shittylink at work :) |
| 20:54.18 | wethrin | If it's within 7 days, you're legally entitled to one anyway |
| 20:54.32 | z00dax | Item that we can not ship: |
| 20:54.32 | z00dax | 131755 : LG GDR-H30NBL 52x16 DVD-Rom Black - OEM |
| 20:54.33 | z00dax | With regret I am contacting you about the above item as we have found an error within our system in which has prevented us from shipping this to you. I have removed this item from your order and refunded you in full; please allow 3 to 5 days for this to clear back to your card account. |
| 20:54.38 | z00dax | thats from their email |
| 20:54.47 | wethrin | hrm |
| 20:54.49 | hali | they lost a dell server for me once, dell sent a new one but shittylink found it wales somewhere after a month |
| 20:54.56 | wethrin | Or you could go to the computer fairs on Saturday in London |
| 20:55.07 | z00dax | i dont want the refund, i wanted that drive, today, since i was home today and i had 7 deliveries. |
| 20:55.17 | hali | where are the fairs these days? tottenham court road'ish? |
| 20:55.32 | z00dax | hali: DHL sent 22 Sun V20z's to someone who had ordered 1 |
| 20:55.41 | hali | there used to be a fairly good one in bayswater |
| 20:55.49 | hali | ha |
| 20:55.52 | hali | good treat |
| 20:55.56 | hali | "no we only got one" |
| 20:56.16 | wethrin | hali: Yes |
| 20:56.17 | z00dax | the other 21 were for my client, who didnt get anything for 2 weeks, Best thing though - DHL hired a local man with a van in Nottingham to pick the extra 21 up and drive them to acton town |
| 20:56.19 | wethrin | Well, just off |
| 20:56.48 | wethrin | One's at the Windeyer Building of UCL, which is on the opposite corner of the crossroads where wmin.ac.uk is (where Gllug holds its meetings) |
| 20:56.50 | z00dax | there is something normally on on gllug days, across the road from $venue |
| 20:57.01 | z00dax | as said wethrin |
| 20:57.02 | wethrin | And also a couple of streets away |
| 20:57.07 | hali | hm, dell are selling "Quad Core AMD Opteron. 2352, 2.1GHz, 4x512MB L2, 2MB L3" processors |
| 20:57.09 | wethrin | Between TCR and Gower Street |
| 20:57.19 | hali | wonder if i can buy a pair and bitch about them not having 512mb cache |
| 20:57.38 | hali | wethrin: ok, think i've been there once |
| 20:57.41 | z00dax | what do the 2352's have ? should be a gig iirc |
| 20:58.07 | hali | 1ghz hypertransport yes |
| 20:58.15 | hali | and 4x512KB L2 |
| 20:58.17 | hali | not MB |
| 20:58.40 | z00dax | yup |
| 20:59.17 | hali | hm, and the price of memory surprises me every day |
| 20:59.33 | hali | 16gb quad-core servers can now be had for under £1500 |
| 20:59.34 | wethrin | That is costs approximately fuck-all/ |
| 20:59.43 | hali | yes |
| 20:59.53 | hali | i see servers with less than 16gb a waste of rackspace :) |
| 20:59.59 | hali | as* |
| 21:00.02 | wethrin | hrm. Mine only has 384MB |
| 21:00.12 | hali | virtualizes something |
| 21:11.01 | z00dax | buying anything new now with < 8gb isnt really worth it, unless there is a specific reason to |
| 21:14.03 | z00dax | oh well, sleep time now |
| 21:23.08 | wethrin | Like it's a laptop? :) |
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| 21:39.16 | secretlondon | hmm. my fridge is on crack. It froze my tofu |
| 21:41.02 | wethrin | You should be worried if it starts cooking it |
| 21:41.41 | secretlondon | yes |
| 21:42.02 | secretlondon | I've turned the fridge down though, as fridge and freezer are supposed to be separate |